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Branch
I don't know where to start.
I've had to reread your posts a few times because its kinda hard to even get where you're coming from with this stuff. This case you think you have here is rubbish though.
Bugs says something non aligment indicative
You interpret it to mean that bugs was saying the game is harder for him now because he's mafia
Bugs said that he never meant that at all
You just refuse to believe that your shitty interpretation is wrong and vote for us.
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You make up some bullshit that you still haven't explained about an 'opportunistic moment' which you just invented out of nothing.
You claim we are following,not leading on the Koshi thing and you are factually wrong about that. Sure, people might have mentioned some scummy behaviour from koshi but no-one pushed it until we voted for him.
Post #912 Bugs says we should kill koshi
post #914 Eversince agrees
Then we vote koshi.
I suggest if you're going to twist things into a case you make sure you don't lie about stuff that we can just go and look at.
It took me 5 seconds to prove you wrong about this lol
-Jock
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Its not going after the lowest hanging fruit if its someone with zero votes on them when Slam, for example, has 4 votes on him.
There aren't many people playing who haven't been called suspicious a few times.
You could say the same thing if we went after:
Alakaslam
holyflare
Eywa
Pandain
Chezinu
MZ
Even counting yourself if you count all the people that called coag suspicious
saying 5 people called koshi suspicious in 48 pages of content is literally saying nothing at all.
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Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.
I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.
-Jock
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On July 27 2019 22:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world. It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her? Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still. Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now.
Here's where I am on Slam:
If he's mafia and he's self voting he's doing it to try and keep votes away from other mafia.
Otherwise he's town and just wants to die cos he thinks it will help town.
Either way voting for him at this point is bad.
Koshi is scum however and he will get stronger as the game gets smaller. If you think he is mafia kill him today.
-J
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On July 27 2019 22:52 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I am going to follow rayn page 5.
Maybe the hydra is scum. I don't believe it myself but I am not solo voting.
And the hydra is one of those dumb as fuck townreads of mine so good stuff.
So you are taking your vote off chezinu, who you scumread, to vote with for us, who you townread, who chezinu is also voting for?
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On July 27 2019 22:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 22:52 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I am going to follow rayn page 5.
Maybe the hydra is scum. I don't believe it myself but I am not solo voting.
And the hydra is one of those dumb as fuck townreads of mine so good stuff. So you are taking your vote off chezinu, who you scumread, to vote with for us, who you townread, who chezinu is also voting for?
AFTER WHAT YOU SAID TO PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR US WHILE SCUMREADING RAYN???
Mafia.
-J
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On July 25 2019 00:33 Koshi wrote:
Ewya says rayn is mafia.
-> People think Ewya is town.
Hydra agrees with Eywa
-> People call hydra mafia for the dumbest reasons.
Oh well.
On July 27 2019 22:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 22:52 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I am going to follow rayn page 5.
Maybe the hydra is scum. I don't believe it myself but I am not solo voting.
And the hydra is one of those dumb as fuck townreads of mine so good stuff. So you are taking your vote off chezinu, who you scumread, to vote with for us, who you townread, who chezinu is also voting for?
lol
-J
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Hey branch look at the other people who are on this wagon with you.
Are you comfortable with that?
-J
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MZ is literally the only person reading this game besides us and it’s fucking sad
Tube I’m just going to come out and say it now, are you the mason or was the mason afk yesterday??
Take your head out of your ass and read my posts. Read the one I just posted on Koshi. That’s probably the best case in this entire game so far, if I don’t say so myself. And it isn’t lecturing anyone on how good my scum game is.
I actually highly doubt you’re even reading our posts and the only reason you’d tunnel us this hard is if you somehow still believe rayn was right about us (before we even posted...????)
-wherebugsgo
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At the moment we are going to die because koshi, who townreads us, is voting for us.
Tubesock, take that in for a minute. You are casting the deciding vote right now but if koshi wasn't deliberately trying to kill town we wouldn't be in the lynch lead.
How can you not think that is the most mafia thing that has happened in the game so far?
100% koshi is mafia.
-J
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On July 27 2019 23:30 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 23:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 27 2019 23:10 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 27 2019 22:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 27 2019 22:23 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 27 2019 21:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.
I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.
-Jock I make it a rule to not follow scum suggestions. Even if Koshi looks guilty as hell This is some terrible reasoning here dude. You brought up koshi looking bad independent from the hydra and repeated it a couple of times. Eversince voted koshi and then the hydra did. The hydra then expanded on the koshi vote, which is a read you agree with, and now you're not going to vote Koshi because you've convinced yourself the hydra is scum. If that's the case then why keep ragging on koshi? If you think the hydra is falsely accusing Koshi then why keep shading him? Unless you've somehow developed a scenario where the hydra is busing koshi, which doesn't make much sense unless you think slam is also scum and the scum team has decided to trade slam for koshi. There is a disconnect here: either you think the hydra is scum which makes koshi town, and yet you continue to shade koshi Or you think the hydra is scum, busing scum koshi to save scum slam? Either way this is terrible fucking logic. Actually I'd like anyone who is scum reading the Hydra because of this koshi push who also thinks koshi is scum to read this because the logic makes literally zero sense. Incorrect. As they are so fond of claiming, hydra voted first. Also note how I multiple times noted koshi looks suspicious, while never actually calling him anything more. All your reasoning is pants on head because you invented connections where none are. I am pushing my scumread, the hydra, because they react like scum. You, MZ, are establishing consitional reads on others, which at this point is a waste of time. The bolded part here is terrible. Are you afraid of giving reads? And you should read my post a little more closely because I don't think you are actually thinking through the implications of your own position. But for the sake of argument, we can run through the logic again with no reference to Koshi's alignment. Hydra scum, pushes koshi to save slam (slam most be scum) That's what you're implying. There, I completely took out any reference to koshi's alignment. Hydra has zero reason to push koshi unless slam is scum. Slam was going to get lynched before everyone started unvoting. They have literally put themselves on the chopping block for a read. That's about as town as it gets. The only way this makes sense for them as scum is if they're trying to save slam (which probably means slam has a scum power role and that's all the more reason to kill him) Think about the implications of your reads. Youre making up connections between players, which is purely speculative. I urge you to focus your attention on your top read, and vote this one person
You should actually read his post because what he is saying is 100% correct and obvious to anyone who isn’t playing their first game (aka you)
Like seriously step back and consider that he might have a point, given that he has been playing this game for 10+ years and you just stepped into your first one today.
First, you call us scum for voting slam and chasing low hanging fruit in Koshi. Which implies:
1. We are scum
2. Slam is town
3. We switched our vote away from slam because we’re afraid of the implication that occurs when slam flips town
4. Koshi is town and low hanging fruit.
Let’s say you actually believe that the slip reasoning you used earlier is legit to call us scum, whatever. Me telling you that it isn’t a slip isn’t going to change anything.
Except, with everything else:
1. We weren’t voting slam
2. You haven’t explained why slam is town
3. You haven’t explained why Koshi is town
4. You haven’t explained why Koshi, who had taken no votes until I talked about him, is low hanging fruit
Okay.
Then, you go and make posts that independently assert Koshi is scum.
So if he’s low hanging fruit AND scum, AND we’re scum too, why would we draw attention to ourselves to bus a teammate when we can just let supposedly townie slam die by doing absolutely nothing at all?? we didn’t even need to vote slam for him to be in the lead so it would be completely safe for us!
In addition, if you independently think Koshi is scum and an easy kill why don’t you just vote him with us and we can get rid of an easy scum today? I don’t understand how we factor into that at all.
-wherebugsgo
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On July 27 2019 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
Don't lynch koshi jesus christ.
Why is he trying to kill town then hf?
-J
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I wonder if its rayn lol
-J
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On July 27 2019 23:45 Koshi wrote:
I hope I die and that you are town wbg.
I hope you die too ROFL
I find it hilarious that this branch dude is voting us with you & Chezinu, when you called Chezinu scum and who the hell knows why Chezinu is voting us
On July 27 2019 23:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 23:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 27 2019 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
Don't lynch koshi jesus christ. Why is he trying to kill town then hf? -J You think a mafia player trying to not look bad and avoid a lynch just starts killing off his town reads and mimicing rayn page 5 that he used to kill rayn? I don't think so.
HF you can do better than this, unless ofc you’re actually scum too here.
Koshi is basically flailing. He has literally 0 original reads this game. Also he’s voting us (???) when Chezinu, his scumread, is also voting us. His top townread, slam, martyred essentially out of the gate on d2 before even taking a vote, and then martyred for real later by pushing himself into the lead.
Koshi himself is soft-martyring (no idea why).
Anyway, read my quote post on Koshi from a page or two back. If you disagree then feel free to explain to the class why Koshi is town this game.
-wherebugsgo
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On July 28 2019 00:11 Koshi wrote:
Wbg and MZ are pants on head town.
Slam is good but not good enough.
Tube is new hero.
Eywa is mia and actually should be looked at when back.
Rest is tip top town that is doing what they can.
...????
If we’re all town then where are the mafia and why aren’t you voting them?
Like you see tube tunneling us to oblivion and you join the wagon instead of bringing people together LOL
And speak nothing of the fact that the newbie replacement is voting us but you’re not calling him pants on head.
Come on Koshi you can’t be this obv scum right?
-wherebugsgo
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On July 28 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone not lynching chezinu may as well claim mafia now.
My next goal will be to go through the rayn defenders d1 at some point. Starting with that weird as fuck eversince post that probably came from info in the mafia QT.
...???
Didn’t eversince replace AFTER rayn died?
HF I actually don’t understand anything you are posting anymore. I agree that Chezinu hasn’t done anything and that he’s not a bad lynch. But why now...???
And why have you switched off killing slam, who fits your description of rayn defender to a T? It’s like you’ve magically forgotten that he’s one of the top contenders for a lynch and has a bunch of votes on him.
Like starting a new wagon at this point is a good way to ensure we die instead of scum.
-wherebugsgo
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On July 28 2019 00:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 00:23 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 28 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone not lynching chezinu may as well claim mafia now.
My next goal will be to go through the rayn defenders d1 at some point. Starting with that weird as fuck eversince post that probably came from info in the mafia QT. ...??? Didn’t eversince replace AFTER rayn died? HF I actually don’t understand anything you are posting anymore. I agree that Chezinu hasn’t done anything and that he’s not a bad lynch. But why now...??? And why have you switched off killing slam, who fits your description of rayn defender to a T? It’s like you’ve magically forgotten that he’s one of the top contenders for a lynch and has a bunch of votes on him. Like starting a new wagon at this point is a good way to ensure we die instead of scum. -wherebugsgo I really just don't care. You lynch Chezinu today, we win tomorrow and it's fine. This post is just you whining about survival while simultaneously saying Chezinu is a good lynch. Pick an argument and stick to it, Bugs. The Eversince point is exactly what I mean. She know something about a rayn soft claim with Eywa after the fact and I want her to explain what she means.
I maintain that Chezinu is not a bad lynch but I don’t see how he’s the best one. You even admit to not reading him. It’s a literal lurker lynch.
Anyway, the vote is not in my control because it’s 12:30 a.m. here and I will go to sleep and wake up after deadline. I have no idea what will happen in the next 3-4 hours and I don’t want to commit to killing Chezinu purely to save ourselves especially when you’re not even a particularly strong townread for me anymore, and the best reason to kill Chezinu is “he hasn’t done anything” and that same reasoning could have been used on Coag prior to replacement. I don’t think killing based on inactivity at a point in the game where there is actual concrete evidence on other players (Koshi, slam) is high value prop.
I also don’t get the “we win tomorrow” part either because surely there are more than 2 scum in this game
-wherebugsgo
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On July 28 2019 00:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 00:23 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 28 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone not lynching chezinu may as well claim mafia now.
My next goal will be to go through the rayn defenders d1 at some point. Starting with that weird as fuck eversince post that probably came from info in the mafia QT. ...??? Didn’t eversince replace AFTER rayn died? HF I actually don’t understand anything you are posting anymore. I agree that Chezinu hasn’t done anything and that he’s not a bad lynch. But why now...???
And why have you switched off killing slam, who fits your description of rayn defender to a T? It’s like you’ve magically forgotten that he’s one of the top contenders for a lynch and has a bunch of votes on him.
Like starting a new wagon at this point is a good way to ensure we die instead of scum.
-wherebugsgo This is such a facetious argument even that I think it makes you quite likely mafia. Not only are you at 3 votes and not the current vote leader (Slam is) but you also say that Chezinu is scummy. There's like 5 hours or so to a lynch and if you vote Chezinu he will be tied leader. Then everyone in this entire game has to afk for the remaining 5 hours for you to die even though I am about to campaign for this lynch ON SOMEONE YOU THINK COULD BE MAFIA and should be the easiest lynch in the world since absolutely nobody in this game can possibly defend Chezinu in any way to stop him being lynched. All you care about is not lynching mafia and maintaining slam in a vote lead but you say you want to lynch mafia which is a lie.
If you think we’re mafia then just grow the balls to kill us right here and now because this shit logic is starting to tire me out.
Like seriously if a townie flips instead of us and then we get tunneled into oblivion I’m going to literally do nothing because I’ll be on a flight Monday to the U.S. and if the game state is like this and people (like this branch dude) are running around with garbage logic then I won’t be arsed to even phone post.
I actually feel really bad for Jock in that situation but I imagine he’s pretty frustrated too.
-wherebugsgo
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