On July 28 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?
Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do
and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum.
Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case.
And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me
And neither the first two seemed the case for koshi
On July 28 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?
Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do
and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum.
Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case.
And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me
Obviously you != koshi though so why does the fact that you wouldn't sheep there scummy rather than suboptimal play?
Because when I say "I" I don't mean "only Pandain". I mean "the only sensible time one would sheep is"
On July 28 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?
Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do
and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum.
Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case.
And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me
Because he has the best analysis and reads in the game. That's why.
He might of though if not for that interaction between HF/Koshi/Slam defense. I think I can see your point. I don't get why he doesn't do anything then. I think it would make Slam look worse from the association but you might be right, maby I should be putting that as more NAI instead of m!Slam trying to distance himself from m!Koshi who is gaining steam.
On July 28 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?
Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do
and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum.
Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case.
And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me
And neither the first two seemed the case for koshi
but you're still projecting your idea of why to sheep onto koshi
Did you ask koshi *why* he sheeped slam rather than asking the leading question of why he thinks slam is playing so well?
On July 28 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?
Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do
and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum.
Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case.
And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me
Because he has the best analysis and reads in the game. That's why.
he completely misread the case against rayn and made a meta defense on rayn.
what else? plenty of other people didn't vote rayn
On July 28 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?
Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do
and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum.
Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case.
And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me
And neither the first two seemed the case for koshi
but you're still projecting your idea of why to sheep onto koshi
Did you ask koshi *why* he sheeped slam rather than asking the leading question of why he thinks slam is playing so well?
On July 28 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?
Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do
and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum.
Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case.
And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me
Because he has the best analysis and reads in the game. That's why.
he completely misread the case against rayn and made a meta defense on rayn.
what else? plenty of other people didn't vote rayn
He didn't misread anything and he defended rayn who flipped town. So that is already above par. He made multiple good posts. I cba to quote them though.
On July 28 2019 04:34 NoSmurfHere wrote: No pandain I think we lynch chez because he's mafia, get all the poe info we can from today and we deny people credit for being on chez when he flips red. Its lose/lose for mafia.
Don't you guys think Koshi is mafia though?
Yeah but as it is we're already lynching mafia so what's the point in switching? If koshi dies then good. He's being a pain in the ass as well as acting very scummy. If chez dies then also good because he's mafia. With the wagons the way they are there just isn't any point in switching from one scum to another and tying things up.
-J
That's a very assured 100% both are mafia world you're living in. Why was Koshi the first to switch to chez after me?
Yeah 100%
Jugs are you certain both are scum?
Did I say 100%? I said if koshi dies then good because he's being a pain in the ass and acting scummy. If you take that to mean that I think koshi is 100% certain mafia then you are reading it wrong.
On July 28 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?
Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do
and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum.
Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case.
And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me
Because he has the best analysis and reads in the game. That's why.
he completely misread the case against rayn and made a meta defense on rayn.
what else? plenty of other people didn't vote rayn
He didn't misread anything and he defended rayn who flipped town. So that is already above par. He made multiple good posts. I cba to quote them though.
he completely misread everything and said that the only reason people were voting rayn was because he's "anti town", which was not the case at all except for you and jugs (jugs being a late voter anyway).
And he literally said twice on this day that he completely fucked up his read on rayn
On July 27 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: I just read Rayn. I catastrophically misunderstood him.
On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote: Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc...
Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons.
1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases.
2. His vote on me
He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote: Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him.
Yup this is why he got my vote as well.
HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback.
On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote: Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁
Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable.
Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote: In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF.
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote: FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.
My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.
WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
"HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: [quote]
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
-wherebugsgo
Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF
On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote: It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference.
Yes!
I ask you why you behave redly.
You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias!
But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American
On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu y u so mafia?
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons.
I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were.
Good chance to be mafia
Please tell me what the case on Rayn was then? Because I don’t see it.
Six people voted Rayn. Six.
On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote: I find it weird how you found me weird and haven't done anything about it in 40 mins though.
On July 23 2019 19:33 Holyflare wrote: ##Vote raynpelikoneet
Took you far too long to even accuse me of anything and it was shit.
On July 23 2019 19:34 Holyflare wrote: And on top of that you said I'm weird this game, did nothing, then wrote a case saying my initial posts were fine. So why were they originally cause for concern rayn?
On July 24 2019 03:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 23 2019 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well w/e gonna write on phone. I found you weird vecause the post on pandain didnt sit well with me, neither did the vote on coag after. I thought you had read at öeast some posts when you started posting and if you believed someone actually died you didnt find me weird since i sure would have an opening different than what it was (if there indeed was a nk). Obvs an expllanation would be that you didnt read any posts, which is why i wanted a confirmation on why you actually voted for coag (basically you could give out you in fact rwad posts before you started oosting). Thats why i originally asked about your vote and nothing more.
I don't think there is anything to be said about Tubesock and i also think HF makes a fair point on coag.
On July 23 2019 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 23 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote: Wut why is there a night 0?
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote: I can't even find anything about a n0 in the op what is going on?
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote: Palmar wasn't even in the game... Right... Carry on :D
On July 23 2019 16:51 Holyflare wrote: Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this.
Now this is fine i think. Holyflare doesn't read the OP, sees Pandain dying during N0 (because of the green part, i can't even imagine what that would otherwise mean), then realises "shit it's not pandain it's palmar, lol palmar is not even in the game".
Fine, this however doesn't make any sense at all:
On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote: I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though
So AFTER Holyflare realises it's not in fact pandain but palmar who "died" he forms a list of possible candidates. I don't think this makes any sense because either at this point he thinks it was not palmar but pandain or he has already figured out the whole nk doesnt even make any sense.
Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still.
On July 24 2019 03:56 Holyflare wrote: This is the timeline:
The problem with this case is that it says you are FINE with my Pandain posts after having literally just said in 104 how weird my Pandain posts were! You THEN scum read me for the rant bit (clear misunderstanding, fine, but the first point still stands).
8. Rayn rants at Koshi and says HF makes fair point about Coag 123
There is conflicting info here. Point 3 contradicts point 5 (where you say you are FINE with my Pandain posts) and point 3 also contradicts point 8 where you agree with the Coag points!!
So, you either lied about the Coag and Pandain points making me "weird" since you say you LIKED them in both your case and your rant at Koshi or you've been caught out.
Either way, I'm actually voting you now and implore everyone else to do the same.
##vote raynpelikoneet
On July 24 2019 17:40 Pandain wrote:
On July 24 2019 17:33 Koshi wrote: We paid our honours 10 seconds apart from each other Pandain! Are you town too?
Still hits me hard
My activity today is going to be really low, I apologize. I'm not going to be final on Rayn yet obviously, but the hydra has been far from inactive this game and the scumread on jock because "He's afraid to post" is bad for two reasons: 1. He's been posting a lot 2. He's doing a scumread meta based on his one scum game that was his first game on this site about five months ago or so.
I think it's just really lazy and weak arguments and I don't know how he actually believes them.
On July 24 2019 14:05 Koshi wrote: rayn mafia: 1) He doesnt clearly enough explain why the people he calls mafia are mafia. 2) Expresses his mafia read on me too confidently.
You have seven pages of filter. You've been constantly active. I refuse to believe you somehow missed all of these posts as town. Instead it's much more likely you were skimming any points on rayn because you know he's town and so never took those cases seriously.
Bullshit, all that is hot air as you will soon see.
But anyway, I have been catastrophically wrong because I misremembered Rayn.
My advice: Koshi has been saying I am badass and has been too impressed by what is actually intentionally scummy play. And the dead hate him (Rayn) not !Pandian.
Also, FF has had me making jabs here and there but I figured I can’t be seeing too many scum.
Watch Chezinu. The Brown must actually do something to be brown. Otherwise this happens
That is all, this game was strangely satisfying but I have definitely had enough.
like everything that's come out of your mouth koshi is lies, misrepresentations, or just wrong. so what are you even defending now?
On July 27 2019 07:17 Tubesock wrote: My question marks are NSH, HF, Eywa, Chezinu, Eversince. I should add Coag too.
Anyone want to talk about any of them? I leave in 30 minutes but can phone post a little later tonight and tomorrow morning before the lynch.
There is host wifom in the Branch slot that was once Coagulation
Hf Eywa town Eversince hasn’t been able to chime in enough or likely scum NSH watch Chezinu probably scum but possibly annoyed with you for not understanding how timelessly important your Survivor reference was (or perhaps, for knowing full well what strings you were pulling)
Just look at it. This is from early D2. How fucking good :D
On July 28 2019 04:18 Pandain wrote: I have no idea how much momentum it will bring and I have to finish writing this article for a travel agency, but I'm switching to Koshi.
1. Bad reasons for voting Rayn 2. Weird ass defense of slam 3. Wanting to completely sheep slam (even if he think he's town, why does he decide to sheep him when he's been active day 1 and night 1?) 4. Really bad defense of himself 5. Misrepresenting points and only responding to weak arguments until he gets called out by more people and forced to respond
FF you can read my reasons for voting koshi here.
You can say its suboptimal. I say it's just purely illogical and weird and that's why I think it's scummy
EPT
