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On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
What? Which pages?
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On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote:Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc... Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons. 1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1 Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn. Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases. 2. His vote on me He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 07:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote:
Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him. Yup this is why he got my vote as well. HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback. Great rep for rolling mafia. On July 26 2019 07:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote:
Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁 Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable. Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote:
In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF. On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing. Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing? I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely) I want to see more opinions on this list of players: FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read. -wherebugsgo My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting. My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work. I personally am not giving HF much heat because 1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm. 2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD 3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread. As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town. This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow. What do you think of Coag and FF then? -wherebugsgo This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is. WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short. "HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl On July 26 2019 23:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 23:51 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 23:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 16:22 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote:I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit. On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
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I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote:
I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote:
Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
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This guy is town most likely.
Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote:
0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous. On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote:
I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot. Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him. As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument. First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well” Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that. If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly. + Show Spoiler +i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb -wherebugsgo Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth. I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere. I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that. In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already. -wherebugsgo You do know that 1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable. 1. So is HF your top scumread or not? 2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town? -wherebugsgo K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum. 2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts? I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town. Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.  If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.-wherebugsgo Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF On July 26 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote:
It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference. Yes! I ask you why you behave redly. You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias! But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote:Chezinu y u so mafia?  On July 27 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider. I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons. I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were. Good chance to be mafia
In your words what happened to rayn? Where is the misrepresentation? I agree with Slam.
Concerning point 2. I mean sure. You admitted you haven't been active and it's not even a bad reason to lynch you. He explained HF and also said he just personally likes Chezinu. So I can see why he would vote you instead. I've voted for people who were policy over people I thought might be scum but were funny to me so....
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On July 27 2019 04:23 Pandain wrote:hardly. He said at one point I "might be mafia". He seems a lot more certain on HF and actually even you.
No. He said very early game that the townreads on slam are whack. Which I doubt were do to a read on slam as it is Slam's unreadableness. You're making shit up.
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On July 27 2019 05:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Хорошо but can we do it too or am I stepping on the feets? Спасибо
You can if there isn't one for a while but don't spam the vote thread please.
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On July 27 2019 06:03 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 05:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Хорошо but can we do it too or am I stepping on the feets? Спасибо You can if there isn't one for a while but don't spam the vote thread please.
Thanks! Will keep in mind when if in obs
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On July 27 2019 04:43 Pandain wrote:Coag has literally nothing in his filter. Not even a scum read. Branch is very little too but that's to be expected at this point. Let's wait and see what happens. Branch have you played mafia before on this forum or other forums? COAG + Show Spoiler +On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote:
Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish. Hey if you ever read this Coag and need to share your feelings send me a PM. I cried for like three days straight when my dog died. I'm sure it was a hard decision but you did it for the best and your dog had a great life with you. I'm here for you.
Hi! Are you looking for meta or just curious?
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On July 27 2019 05:05 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
I just read Rayn.
I catastrophically misunderstood him. how is it even about misunderstanding rayn? you "misunderstood" the entire thread despite actively reading and responding in it
You also misunderstood rayn's case on the Hydra, it wasn't because J was afraid to post.
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On July 27 2019 05:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Also why has Eywa- gone absent? Actually starting to worry.
On July 26 2019 00:01 Eywa- wrote:
You guys might lose me for day 2, since my sister's wedding is this weekend. I'll do my best, but I imagine once the posting picks up, it'll be pretty difficult.
My vote is going on meapak, if you're going to counter wagon, I would suggest Alakaslam or Fecal.
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On July 27 2019 05:49 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah
Tubesock I just got word from the FAA that the clouds can only ever be seen from above by me if I pay for an airline ticket. I was an angsty teenager and my mom put it in my medical record. Drank listerine, cause everyone knows that stuff is poison.
This saddens me.
There are programs to fight this though, albeit expensive and well then you still have to somehow afford lessons.
If you are ever in the Seattle area, I can give you a couple flight lessons and your fiance/wife can ride along.
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On July 27 2019 06:00 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote:Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc... Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons. 1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1 On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn. Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases. 2. His vote on me He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 07:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote:
Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him. Yup this is why he got my vote as well. HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback. Great rep for rolling mafia. On July 26 2019 07:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote:
Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁 Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable. Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote:
In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF. On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing. Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing? I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely) I want to see more opinions on this list of players: FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read. -wherebugsgo My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting. My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work. I personally am not giving HF much heat because 1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm. 2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD 3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread. As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town. This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow. What do you think of Coag and FF then? -wherebugsgo This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is. WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short. "HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl On July 26 2019 23:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 23:51 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 23:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 16:22 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote:I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit. On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
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I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote:
I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote:
Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
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This guy is town most likely.
Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote:
0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous. On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote:
I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot. Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him. As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument. First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well” Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that. If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly. + Show Spoiler +i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb -wherebugsgo Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth. I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere. I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that. In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already. -wherebugsgo You do know that 1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable. 1. So is HF your top scumread or not? 2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town? -wherebugsgo K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum. 2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts? I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town. Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense. If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.-wherebugsgo Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF On July 26 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote:
It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference. Yes! I ask you why you behave redly. You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias! But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote:Chezinu y u so mafia? On July 27 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider. I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons. I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were. Good chance to be mafia In your words what happened to rayn? Where is the misrepresentation? I agree with Slam. Concerning point 2. I mean sure. You admitted you haven't been active and it's not even a bad reason to lynch you. He explained HF and also said he just personally likes Chezinu. So I can see why he would vote you instead. I've voted for people who were policy over people I thought might be scum but were funny to me so....
Not at all. Slam stated that the case on Rayn was only "he's anti town because he gets angry". It's not at all what anyone was really saying except Jugs (who were not even the main proponents of the lynch and they were the last ones to vote
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I said I can thereoetically see the Chez thing, and I can thereoticsally see the HF thing, but its nevertheless suspicious when he does two objectively scummy things like that. Like if someone has a lot of small scummy things that can be thereoetically explained, it nevertheless makes it overall scummy if it occurs alot. Here, I think there's two people who he (has stated) he scum reads stronger than me. Sure, he said weak excuses for not voting them, but when he acdtively chooses to not vote two higher scum reads it looks suspicious no matter what else he says.
What if I voted you but stated in thread I had three higher scum reads? Even if I explained them away, it's nevertheless suspicious. That's how I see slam.
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On July 27 2019 06:11 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 05:05 Pandain wrote:On July 27 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
I just read Rayn.
I catastrophically misunderstood him. how is it even about misunderstanding rayn? you "misunderstood" the entire thread despite actively reading and responding in it You also misunderstood rayn's case on the Hydra, it wasn't because J was afraid to post.
Not sure it was Rayn who posted it, but defeintely someone made a comment that they were suspicious of Jock because "he seems afraid to post as mafia and this game he's not posting alot"
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On July 27 2019 06:12 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 05:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Also why has Eywa- gone absent? Actually starting to worry. Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 00:01 Eywa- wrote:
You guys might lose me for day 2, since my sister's wedding is this weekend. I'll do my best, but I imagine once the posting picks up, it'll be pretty difficult.
My vote is going on meapak, if you're going to counter wagon, I would suggest Alakaslam or Fecal.
Oh yeah
See actually her reads look good to me here. She recognizes the scumminess of me, it’s intentionality is my own word so it is wifom until my flip. Good reads.
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On July 27 2019 06:14 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 05:49 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah
Tubesock I just got word from the FAA that the clouds can only ever be seen from above by me if I pay for an airline ticket. I was an angsty teenager and my mom put it in my medical record. Drank listerine, cause everyone knows that stuff is poison. This saddens me. There are programs to fight this though, albeit expensive and well then you still have to somehow afford lessons. If you are ever in the Seattle area, I can give you a couple flight lessons and your fiance/wife can ride along.
That’d be awesome! My little brother lives in Spokane too.
But when you put autism spectrum and suicidal tendency in youth together...
I have a psychologist doing what she can for me. But she doesn’t seem too confident.
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On July 27 2019 06:03 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 04:23 Pandain wrote:On July 27 2019 04:14 Alakaslam wrote:
And Pandain, the dead FOS you. hardly. He said at one point I "might be mafia". He seems a lot more certain on HF and actually even you. No. He said very early game that the townreads on slam are whack. Which I doubt were do to a read on slam as it is Slam's unreadableness. You're making shit up.
Ok I'm exagerrating a bit but he does also criticize slam for not appropriately reacting to a scummy post.
Meanwhile the only thing he said about me is "he might be mafia." I just think its a weak as hell reason to vote someone. sure he scum read me on the end, but it was very weak and there were others he scum read more.
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On July 27 2019 06:11 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 04:43 Pandain wrote:Coag has literally nothing in his filter. Not even a scum read. Branch is very little too but that's to be expected at this point. Let's wait and see what happens. Branch have you played mafia before on this forum or other forums? COAG + Show Spoiler +On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote:
Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish. Hey if you ever read this Coag and need to share your feelings send me a PM. I cried for like three days straight when my dog died. I'm sure it was a hard decision but you did it for the best and your dog had a great life with you. I'm here for you. Hi! Are you looking for meta or just curious?
just wondering if you've played mafia before because if you're completely new it changes how i read you
if you're a smurf or something, no worries.
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On July 27 2019 06:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 06:11 Tubesock wrote:On July 27 2019 05:05 Pandain wrote:On July 27 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
I just read Rayn.
I catastrophically misunderstood him. how is it even about misunderstanding rayn? you "misunderstood" the entire thread despite actively reading and responding in it You also misunderstood rayn's case on the Hydra, it wasn't because J was afraid to post. Not sure it was Rayn who posted it, but defeintely someone made a comment that they were suspicious of Jock because "he seems afraid to post as mafia and this game he's not posting alot"
I did say you had a point with point 2. It's just I can't imagine a mafia saying that where I can see townies say it. But I townread him for his other stuff and it, for me, points to town. Well, more so than say hydra. Truthfully, if NoSmurf wasn't trying so hard on slam, I could see that possibility. But I do feel pretty strong on NoSmurf.
rayn did say "and Jock can post a lot" but his point and what the rest of his paragraph was saying is that Jock opens with "I'm not giving reads without coordinating with Bugs, reactions only" Then some time goes and J posts a list post but calls it a reaction post. Then was called out for it due to going back on his word so fast where a couple of us (HF saw it too) believed a towny wouldn't be compelled to post such a fluffy fluff post. *I'm not sure if HF thought taht post was fluff or not. That's my adjective. Before anyone gets pedantic.
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On July 27 2019 06:22 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 06:03 Tubesock wrote:On July 27 2019 04:23 Pandain wrote:On July 27 2019 04:14 Alakaslam wrote:
And Pandain, the dead FOS you. hardly. He said at one point I "might be mafia". He seems a lot more certain on HF and actually even you. No. He said very early game that the townreads on slam are whack. Which I doubt were do to a read on slam as it is Slam's unreadableness. You're making shit up. Ok I'm exagerrating a bit but he does also criticize slam for not appropriately reacting to a scummy post. Meanwhile the only thing he said about me is "he might be mafia." I just think its a weak as hell reason to vote someone. sure he scum read me on the end, but it was very weak and there were others he scum read more.
I could be projecting on Slam. But I think he's voting you cause you haven't done anything and the belief that the dead died for a reason. As far as not voting HF or Chezinu, I mean I guess I see it as what's the point of voting HF? It's unlikely Slam can get him killed, it'll really just get Slam killed. That's not necessarily mafia exclusive thinking.
In your shoes, I would absolutely be scumreading Slam for that. So, you could be right. I just don't think so. Slam rarely does what people expect, so I don't understand why people are scumreading Slam for not behaving like the cookie cutter towny when he's never done that in the last 8 years or whatever.
The other reason Slam could be mafia is Meap's meta. But I really really truly believe it's no longer valid for both Slam constant change reasons, TL site change reasons, and internal Slam maturity reasons.
But people wanting him to die because he doesn't make sense is absolutely tragically hilarious to me.
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On July 27 2019 06:59 Koshi wrote:
I still stand by my 3.
I could switch to Eywa-.
Chez too for that matter, but I do enjoy him when he plays soo lollololol terrible reasons
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My question marks are NSH, HF, Eywa, Chezinu, Eversince. I should add Coag too.
Anyone want to talk about any of them? I leave in 30 minutes but can phone post a little later tonight and tomorrow morning before the lynch.
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