|
On July 25 2019 08:53 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 08:43 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 25 2019 05:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Soo does the mason partner claim after day start then
Also how's that scum hit rate on d1 going eywa? On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason? Read the op What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1? This is really gratuitous imo and has no possible town motivation behind it. No-one is strongly scumreading eywa (town rayn was townreading eywa) so it looks like FF just wants to discredit eywa as much as possible before day 2 starts. Otherwise what what the point in making these posts FF? Sometimes emotion is tough to parse from the game.
What does this mean? FF knows what he's doing, he posted that for a reason.
Also:
On July 24 2019 13:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
ill vote meap
On July 25 2019 00:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
If it's between smurf and rayn I'm voting smurf but imo ziphhhh has a good chance of flipping scum
***VOTE IS BETWEEN SMURF AND RAYN***
On July 25 2019 04:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well I'm not moving but if rayn is scum good job
So the question is, what happened? Was it this post:
On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote:
If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game.
Pure anti town shitty behaviour.
Dont vote for that.
Keep anti town in the game.
Good move.
On July 25 2019 00:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I mean if you put it like that my last post sounds pretty stupid eh?
There are two ways to interpret this that I can see:
1: FF decides it would be stupid to try and save rayn - in which case he has no right to be having a go at eywa for pushing rayn
or
2: FF just said that he was going to vote for us if it came down to us vs rayn and then decided not to for some other reason.
He just kinda looks to me like he's keeping his options open between the 3 major wagons while pretending to have made his mind up.
|
^^ Jock (one day i'll remember to sign)
|
Who is that second quote from FF?
-J
|
On July 25 2019 09:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
That quote is from the mafia championship thing. I was town.
I'm not trying to be pro-town I'm trying to have fun and find scum my way
That's fine and all but if this is true and you were doing things your own way i would expect you to have at least one read that didn't align perfectly with what everyone else in the thread was saying at the time.
That isn't the case, though, is it?
3/3 on major wagons, no surprising or interesting town reads...
-J
|
On July 25 2019 13:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 09:44 Fecalfeast wrote:On July 25 2019 09:35 Alakaslam wrote:On July 25 2019 09:13 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 25 2019 08:53 Alakaslam wrote:On July 25 2019 08:43 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 25 2019 05:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Soo does the mason partner claim after day start then
Also how's that scum hit rate on d1 going eywa? On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason? Read the op What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1? This is really gratuitous imo and has no possible town motivation behind it. No-one is strongly scumreading eywa (town rayn was townreading eywa) so it looks like FF just wants to discredit eywa as much as possible before day 2 starts. Otherwise what what the point in making these posts FF? Sometimes emotion is tough to parse from the game. What does this mean? FF knows what he's doing, he posted that for a reason. Also: On July 24 2019 13:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
ill vote meap On July 25 2019 00:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
If it's between smurf and rayn I'm voting smurf but imo ziphhhh has a good chance of flipping scum ***VOTE IS BETWEEN SMURF AND RAYN*** On July 25 2019 04:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well I'm not moving but if rayn is scum good job So the question is, what happened? Was it this post: On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote:
If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game.
Pure anti town shitty behaviour.
Dont vote for that.
Keep anti town in the game.
Good move. On July 25 2019 00:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I mean if you put it like that my last post sounds pretty stupid eh? There are two ways to interpret this that I can see: 1: FF decides it would be stupid to try and save rayn - in which case he has no right to be having a go at eywa for pushing rayn or 2: FF just said that he was going to vote for us if it came down to us vs rayn and then decided not to for some other reason. He just kinda looks to me like he's keeping his options open between the 3 major wagons while pretending to have made his mind up. There are excellent points. Scumread retracted. Which points are good and why? I only see one real overarching point so i'm interested There are the two possible motives that both look rather bad. But in hindsight I think it was just you wanted MZ to die and were at work
You really think so slam?
Like its not an impossible explanation for his behaviour at EoD but it just doesn't look true to me. I would be fine with him changing his read at the last minute but there's something very mafia like about the situation he was in anyway. 3 Big wagons to choose from and he ended up choosing the one where would have zero responsibility in a lynch because there was much less chance of him being successful.
-J
|
Koshi what do you think of FF's EoD yesterday? Does it look like normal town to you?
|
|
|
On July 25 2019 17:44 Koshi wrote:
I dont remember it at all.
Said he was gonna vote for us over rayn, ended up voting for MZ.
Said that it was because your logic made him change his mind.
Came back to thread when it became clear that it was us or rayn, still didn't change his vote to something that would have a chance of affecting the lynch.
Made a post along the lines of 'well done if rayn is mafia, but I'm leaving my vote on MZ' which I really didn't like either.
|
|
|
Mason please claim now. I am pretty sure I already know who it is 
Hehe stupid mafia couldn’t even guess who it is hehe neener neener
Right now I’m trying to narrow down my suspects list. Top of the list:
FF
Slam
Chezinu
Coag
I have a couple other players I’m keeping an eye on (lol Pandain) but I want to wait it out to give them the opportunity to do something useful. In 24 hours if no usefulness is demonstrated I’d be fine with killing people on my (atm non-public) watchlist as well.
-wherebugsgo
|
I agreed with Vivax that Meapak is not as likely to be scum based on some of his posts. I very well could be wrong because there isn’t much information currently, but I think the four players I listed earlier are much better bets than MZ for today at least. MZ can attempt to prove his worth today, I’m fine with that (and I’m sure he appreciates us not trying to kill him)
Also I like MZ and have a soft spot for him because we’ve both played here a long time, I think he’s a good player, he’s definitely not an asshole and I like playing with him. He just seems to be short on time as a lot of us are these days
-wherebugsgo
|
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
Cool, we found scum.
Vivax offhand mentioned wanting to look into HF -> slam is trying to stretch this as if he was really on the right track. No way anyone can tell and an offhand comment is not worth significant effort.
Newsflash: townies get shot by mafia all the time for all sorts of reasons. I personally think mafia would have gone mason partner hunting last night to avoid having a confirmed townie, but I’m actually a good scum player and whoever is scum in this game (you?) are probably not as good as me at scum (lololol I’m only half seriously being pretentious here, die scum)
Lastly slam conveniently tries to point to Vivax’s suspicion of HF and Pandain but:
1. The post mostly focuses on defending himself and is preemptively making himself the “counter wagon” even though there should be no reason for a townie who just said they’d reread the guy shot last night to suddenly randomly defend themselves before anyone has placed a single vote.
2. On HF vs Pandain slam says he thinks both of them can’t be scum yet says absolutely nothing about which one he actually thinks is scum. At odds with the fact that he believes Vivax was on the right track. Surely if slam’s reads are as correct as he believes he should find it easy to point out to us which one of us his reads we should be sheeping and why. If slam believes Vivax was right then why not just consolidate to HF & Pandain for the day??? Unless of course slam is scum and knows neither of them are actually scum already and is hedging his bet here that we haven’t caught him.
-wherebugsgo
|
There’s only one other possibility for slam not wanting to explain in rayn. In that case I will retract everything Icsaid.
|
-wherebugsgo
Anyway I’m of two minds right now and I need some time to think.
It really hinges on who the mason partner is, and I only have two people on my guess list for mason partner.
One option will change my reads, or at least one of them.
The other option will probably not change my reads.
|
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF
Coag
Chezinu
HF
Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
|
On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing. Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing? I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely) I want to see more opinions on this list of players: FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read. -wherebugsgo My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting. My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
|
On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing. Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing? I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely) I want to see more opinions on this list of players: FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read. -wherebugsgo My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting. My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work. I personally am not giving HF much heat because 1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm. 2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD 3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread. As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town. This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow. What do you think of Coag and FF then? -wherebugsgo This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is. WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
I personally don’t see any point at all in considering HF for lynch today when he said he’s busy at work for another 2 days.
Since I am adamant that I will not be considering HF for lynch today, I don’t see the point in reading his filter because it’s just an extra thing to think about before day 3.
I’d much rather focus on whether there are any scum here:
Coag
FF
Chezinu
And you, slam, too!
And then let these people show their true colours:
HF
Pandain
Koshi
I’d lynch any of the top 4 today, with a preference right now probably toward FF or Coag.
I’d lynch any of the bottom 3 on d3 if they continue their current trajectories.
This isn’t something I’ve discussed heavily with Jock yet so I will report back in 12-16 hours after work & dinner tonight.
-wherebugsgo
|
On July 26 2019 08:28 Holyflare wrote:
My gut after seeing vivax flip was bugs calling the shots because of how bad it was.
I get this is a meme that you and rayn like to push but I can guarantee you there is a different player that would have warranted the hit last night. I think scum was too dumb to see it, though they would be seriously stupid to not see it now.
And actually to me at least the Vivax kill makes it less likely that you are scum because I think you're smart enough to have figured out what I figured out. Maybe too inactive to have figured it out, because there is the possibility that if you're scum you could have delegated the shot to someone else, but that's too convoluted of an explanation for me.
The only experienced player in this game that I think might shoot Vivax on N1 would probably be Coag. Slight chance to Pandain but he's also essentially AFK.
Anyway, on the basis of the kill alone the only person who looks significantly worse is Coag. You can put 2 and 2 to figure out why Coag and not anyone else in the game. The post-kill speculation makes slam look worse as well, basically just an unforced error; if he had kept his mouth shut I don't think he would have made himself look as bad as he does now.
This is the extent to which I'll speculate about that night kill because I really don't think there's much to read into.
My top 4 in no particular order is still:
slam
coag
FF
Chezinu
-wherebugsgo
|
btw HF, nice catch on his response to me re: him being really confident you are town, into now being really confident you are scum. That first post while in isolation might not have been a scumslip, with the read reversal purely based on Vivax dying it almost certainly was one.
HF you can go into the tentative town bucket, I'm upgrading slam to my lynch target of choice.
Jock controls our vote though, especially because I'm inactive when everyone else is active and vice versa so I'm delegating to him. He can post his thoughts when he's actually awake and playing, and if my evening dinner date is boring I'll hop on to chat with him then, otherwise will hear back Saturday morning here in Japan.
-wherebugsgo
|
On July 26 2019 08:49 Holyflare wrote:
Well whoever the mason is I don't think they should really claim because at least mafia can shoot into that shit show.
btw if you actually think I am scum, I have figured out who the mason is and had it figured out yesterday almost immediately after the flip. You can take me at my word for this, if I were scum the other mason would be dead right now.
Anyway I agree with the mason not needing to claim, because my opinion is that scum this game are too stupid to see it and we don't need to help them out.
-wherebugsgo
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
