EPTPresumably if they are town here they’d want to talk out some situations before we get shot but, hey...
So if scum did indeed bus, it’s probably Eywa instead of ES. However the simplest looking solution appears to be ES/Pandain.
-wherebugsgo
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Presumably if they are town here they’d want to talk out some situations before we get shot but, hey... So if scum did indeed bus, it’s probably Eywa instead of ES. However the simplest looking solution appears to be ES/Pandain. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 05:20 Koshi wrote: I believe in this though... My gut says eywa bussed yesterday. Fuck. Dont know if I can trust my gut. Today Eversince or not? MZ and Pandain started new wagons when we were on Eversince. I'm thinking we kill eywa but I don't know what bugs thinks. I like your point that mafia shouldn't all be doing the same thing. MZ's filter is weird for eywa like I said before. -J | ||
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On August 04 2019 05:24 Koshi wrote: Wouldnt mz join us on Eversonce if Eversince was town? Lol eversonce  Yeah probably. ES is still a good kill. Honestly I have no idea between the three of them there's like 10% difference. Why not pandain? -J | ||
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On August 02 2019 18:19 Pandain wrote: I would much rather vote Branch or ES than MZ. What has MZ done? His next post being: On August 03 2019 01:16 Pandain wrote: I'm switching to Meapack. I'm not sure I'll be back before lynch. If I'm not here, don't switch to another lynch -J | ||
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On August 04 2019 05:25 Koshi wrote: Look Eywa. If you believe I am mafia youbare making the same mistake as MZ yesterday. I am not going to talk to retarded and just vote it. If you believe he is scum why write this? I’m a bit confused but I do think eversince is still a good Lynch just based on vote count analysis. I really think mafia would have just killed her because they only needed MZ to move his vote from branch. We all moved to vote MZ because he was vote splitting and we made that super obvious, and even scum who hate playing scum would have been able to see the way out if ES was just town there. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Two nights ago they killed HF & slam because we were wrong and they wanted to mislynch branch or Koshi Last night they killed branch because we now TR him but we are correct on ES/Pandain Like the simplest answer here I think is the correct one, as ES so kindly pointed out -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 05:44 Koshi wrote: If eywa was mafia Ibwould be dead right? Slam hf and now branch. I am the only fucker here yelling consistently that eywa is mafia Yeah I think so too. I think scum is not strong enough to push a mislynch by themselves and they need us to do it. As proven by neither Pandain nor MZ being able to get any votes on their wagons LOL Pandain looks scummy for real reasons. ES looks scummy for real reasons. Eywa only looks scummy because of MZ. I say we kill one of the first two, probably eversince because she indeed did not get hammered by any of those other 3 (Eywa, MZ, and Pandain ALL could have hammered her, and at least 2 are scum) Then the hard choice is Eywa vs Pandain which you can make. I personally would kill Pandain. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 05:24 Eywa- wrote: Interesting night kill... I'm guessing this means scum!Koshi? Jock pointed this out but this is a pretty shite post IMO actually might make you scum if you don’t do anything else here -wherebugsgo | ||
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Why did you vote eversince yesterday after branch if you thought she was town? -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 03 2019 04:29 Grackaroni wrote: Day Four Vote Count Meapak_Ziphh (6): Eywa, NoSmurfHere, Koshi, Branch.AUT, Pandain, Eversince Branch.AUT (1): Meapak_Ziphh Eversince (0): Koshi (0): Meapak_Ziphh is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Friday, Aug 02 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in The blue votes didn’t matter, and Meapak threw his vote on Branch. The two options are that one of Eywa/Koshi bussed and one of Eywa/Koshi did not bus. All the info is here and I’m just too lazy/tired to process it. I was wrong on yesterday, Eversince technically did get hammered by Eywa but then Eywa was also the first to move to MZ. Would scum do that regardless of Eversince’s alignment? I find it unlikely. Just FYI that is afk for a while since he said he felt burnt out so it’s just me for the next ~24 hours. After that we swap though because I board a couple flights home. Anyway once again Occam’s razor is pointing to “no bus” but I’m the only one who thinks this. I also do agree that it would be a really all-in move by scum and that in theory it’s not likely but the vote patterns don’t line up with either Eywa or Koshi being scum. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Does anyone think Pandain is town here? -wherebugsgo | ||
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Eywa voting us is throwing me off. His vote on MZ aligns with his opinion from early game and I do think of all the bus possibilities it’s the most likely. I just saw him as townish based on the vote/unvote pattern. Koshi you think it’s E&E, why is Pandain town here? -wherebugsgo | ||
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Prove that you can pull your own weight and that you are town. Your vote hasn’t mattered once this game. Like whoever the two townies are besides us, you need to step it the fuck up. I’m obviously asking a lot because literally no one has given two fucks this game with the exception of Jock and it’s sad that we can’t just win the game ourselves because we weren’t lucky enough to roll blue. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 14:02 Eversince wrote: Eywa just being a pain in the butt is par the course. I've been hesitant to say it's m!Eywa agenda because I played a game as scum recently and t!Eywa was just the same un-negotiable pain in the butt. But the difference I suppose at least that game he did put in some work. That's not happening this game at all. Look at his D1 vs everything else since then. It's completely different. You point on Pandain is exactly why I'm more leaving it up in the air to let others read Pandain. Pandain's play style just looks dirty to me all the time. I can't read him well ever so I just end up tunnel on him or I ignore it. That's bad of me here I know, but it's true :/.. Like every other game I find Pandain very questionable. If someone else can lay out analysis on him that would be great because I always fail to get it  ..I don’t fucking understand what conclusion you are drawing. Like ever. Can you actually take a stance?? From your perspective it seems like you think we are town. Do you think Koshi is scum or not? Work with me here, seriously if you are town this waffling is not helping. You look like you are the only person putting any effort in besides us at this moment and I can’t tell if it’s because you’re scum and about to die or if it’s because you’re town and you’re genuinely confused. Pick two names right now. Or assign percentages. Or just pick one person. Idgaf. Right now you’re giving no indication on who you’d actually vote and that’s the only thing that matters. You have one vote. If you can’t put down thoughts on the other 3 all at once then everything else and pick the one person you would kill at this very moment. -wherebugsgo | ||
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We are lock town. I can guess as to why scum left us alive (probably MZ voting/hard pushing branch -> they felt they probably will never lynch him but beyond this no idea) but that makes the game easier for you. If you’re indeed town, out of 3 names you just have to pick one, the one other townie OR the one person you’d kill today. I actually don’t get why it’s so hard for you to pick a single name because it’s literally your only job. I’m so bothered by it I might actually go read your past games because I don’t remember you being this waffly when I was scum and you got lynched as town gunsmith. -wherebugsgo | ||
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I’m still in the mood of not really giving any fucks who dies or what the result of the game is. Telling apart bad townies from scum is hard and this game essentially everyone played anti-town. Again, with the exception of Jock, who has now burned out. I wanna keep ranting cause it’s cathartic LOL. I enjoyed the game for the most part though, no real toxicity, just your average town and average scum teams. I want grack to give out awards for “most anti-town plays in the game” cause I think that would be hilarious. Who would win?? I think you could nominate everyone for something. Here’s my nominations: 1.) award for generally not giving a fuck, me (didn’t reread, didn’t look at past games, didn’t vote, didn’t really care who died, didn’t care who won, ranted several times, shit posted) 2.) award for biggest role wastage - Chezinu or Rayn? Pretty close one here. Actually I also wish Tube had just claimed mason and then tried to rally town around him for the one cycle. We could’ve had a circle going. 3.) award for causing the most chaos - damn it Holyflare LOLOL. I actually just chuckled thinking back to d2 4.) award for most game-irrelevant posts - probably slam lol. I enjoyed them though. Maybe next time I’m in California I’ll have time to visit LA, it’ll be my last trip for quite a while since I’m switching jobs next year (probably) 5.) award for the least game impact - probably Pandain. Done nothing at all regardless of alignment, at least in-thread if scum. 6.) award for the most confusing - branch. Schrödinger’s noob lololol 7.) award for the most waffly: Eversince. You’ve got 4 other players alive, and if you’re town then half are scum and half are town. But you want to hear “other people’s opinions” on players (aka Pandain) still. wat Trololol.jpeg -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 14:59 Eversince wrote: Aww come on Bugs. If me wanting opinions from other people when the players I'm scum reading by myself basic at lylo is questionable then sheesh! But I won't dispute Eversince most waffle TL player 2019! Whose opinion on Pandain would actually even make you sure that Pandain is scum? How can you make a case on a player who has literally had 0 impact on the game and barely posted at all? Also why did you conveniently leave out the fact that MZ was also counter to the chezinu push? He voted Koshi with you and Pandain. Anyway. I’ll probably reread MZ’s filter a couple more times but on my first reread I couldn’t shake the thought that literally the three of you are just mafia here. MZ hard defended you for no particular reason at all. He replied to Koshi in a way that implied he thinks it’s the “last day” which he’d only do if he thought he could kill a townie (you could make the argument that he thought he’d die and he was faking sounding like a townie but IIRC he wasn’t at risk of dying at that point? It was fairly early in the day) Then there’s the fact that MZ had direct interactions with literally all four of us, Eywa, Koshi, and Branch and none with you and Pandain. Literally didn’t quote a single post from either of you all game. Used host WIFOM to clear you of being a scum replacement but painted branch as the scum replacement. We were left alive and MZ spent the most time trying to convince us to kill Koshi, which on paper to a scum player who hates playing scum probably makes sense because we actively pushed Koshi on d2 in opposition to the Chez wagon, and it’s tempting to think we wouldn’t reevaluate from a scum perspective because scum rarely reevaluate themselves. If Eywa on MZ was early distancing that turned into a bus, no idea why MZ held off on OMGUS unless he didn’t want to draw attention to it. He interacted with Eywa in ways that I find make it unlikely they were scum together, and if they were distancing from the start I find it more likely they would’ve made the pushing in both directions and not cared about OMGUS because such an early setup from scum is generally designed to throw a lot of chaos into the thread. No offense to MZ but he doesn’t strike me as the type of player to plan scum plays like that well in advance. Pandain: also literally no direct interaction with you nor MZ, except I think exactly once when you both voted Chezinu. Tons of direct interactions with branch, us, Koshi, Eywa, HF, slam, etc etc. The town Pandain I know tries to figure out the game and I think this would apply even when lacking time. No idea why town Pandain would say you’re playing different from what he’s seen as both alignments and then just do fuck all about it, instead just rail on Koshi for 3 cycles straight. And you, eversince: read progression makes no sense particularly on Eywa. Straight up admit to not wanting to kill anyone except Koshi and that Eywa was lock town earlier in the game but now suddenly unsure on Eywa. Again basically no interactions with Pandain or MZ but tons of interactions with other players. Said for days (like 6 at this point?) that you’d read MZ/Pandain but still haven’t done it. e.g: On July 28 2019 03:29 Eversince wrote: @HF Koshi- because he plays like a blind sheep, really odd buddying with people, random shit fights, unoriginal reads. Pandain- Was generally useless early, has some better points now but I don't agree with most of them. I'll look into him closer again since it looks like he isn't possible today anyway. Slam- Generally everywhere, activety is only useful if your doing stuff with it (which for the most part is kind of meh to me right now), the constant 'woe is me' appeals to emotion are just super bleh after you've done it entire game. Then he just burns town for no reason because he's 'had enough' Chez- Been useless literally entire game And you’re saying I overestimate your ability to read LOL If until now your only scumread was Koshi then you have literally no excuse for spending so much time on the game waffling for no reason when you can just park your vote on Koshi and ignore him & then filter Pandain & MZ to figure out the rest of the game. Anyway. If either Koshi or Eywa here are scum they really deserve the win because that means they faked a shit ton of interactions that when I read look really genuine, while the three of you/Pandain/MZ basically literally never interact with each other and have the weirdest posts in relation to each other. The only reason there is any doubt is because people are WIFOMing over “scum must have bussed here” and no one is doing any rereading (except me now) I find it far more likely that given the direction of the game and the sheer number of times we put TvT on the board, scum team thought they could just railroad another mislynch through. Keeping us alive was a good play on paper especially if MZ thought we were malleable due to me saying that he was making sense + us agreeing with the Koshi push on d2 when the other 3 pushing Koshi would have been scum. Might as well push an alternate who never flips if there are 8 townies killing Chez. -wherebugsgo | ||
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MZ Pandain Eversince The only way it is only one scum is if Koshi & Eywa are scum together. To that I call 100% bullshit. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Eywa & Koshi just sheep Jock. We hopefully win after flipping ES & Pandain. If not then gg whichever one of you is scum, you deserve the win 100% cause you both posted several things that seem borderline impossible as scum. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Literally any of the people I town read on right now would help my Pandain read Who? Already laid out my case. Did nothing all game and no attempt to figure out game. Not like town Pandain. Near zero proper interactions with MZ and most convenient flop on him ever. Completely irrelevant at LYLO even though he won the game for town by correctly identifying the last scum in the last game I played with him. You can trust my read because I actually defend Pandain when he’s town and I have confidence in reading him. See the game I’m talking about, Uninspired, here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/545657-uninspired-mafia And if they tried to hammer me, HF literally saved me by pushing onto Chezinu. Which sucked for town but it gives us a chance still at least. No idea what the fuck you’re talking about here because you didn’t receive a single vote the day Chezinu died Mafia team gave the lynch on me away because of HF, now with MZ flipping I look terrible and they'll still win if I get pushed through. Which is easy for even bad scum to get, I'm lose hotspot tomorrow night (unless I get lucky can renew) Which means I'm not even going to be around to defend myself. Just lynch ES and win the game which mafia cares losing MZ if it guarantee town lynch? same thing here, hf was dead yesterday and had nothing to do with you being voted or MZ dying I've had mafia reads on tons more than Koshi -.-.. FF, Chez, Koshi, Pandain, MZ, etc. I can't park my vote on Koshi if the rest of town isn't. It's better to consolidate than be out in the bleacher for nothing. And I DID filter Pandain. I made a post about it. I filtered MZ much later but now I get flack for re-evaluating reads. Lots of good that did me huh? Given that only Koshi and Pandain are alive now no idea what happened to your previous certainty. If you want consolidation and you believe we’re town no idea why you haven’t said jack shit yet about Eywa voting us And just to make sure I got this right.. You're going to lynch me because Pandain/MZ/ES didn't 'interact'? What the actual fuck man. I already said I wasn't posting things that I didn't have much original thought to contribute. How is me spamming up the thread rehashing BS crap a reason I'm mafia here? I want an answer because this is just such BS.. If mafia don't interact with me (they don't have to. I'm stupid busy, and everyone has been poking at it early on anyway. So just ignore and then lynch t!ES for game) I can't do a damn thing about it!! This says nothing Can you name another player who MZ didn’t interact with? Can you name another player who Pandain didn’t interact with? Do scum who don’t like playing scum like MZ typically interact with their teammates a lot? Keeping you alive only makes sense if your going to push their lynch through. Which you are currently doing.. Otherwise why would mafia leave a basic 'lock t! NSH' alive in this long? Unless you are just mafia. I don't think that is true but if it is, my goodness man excellent play because you are never getting lynched this game ! So then Koshi is scum right, according to you? Like, you appear so confident but can’t even put the basic shit together. If we are lock town pushing a mislynch then automatically Koshi should become your vote and you only need to convince us to kill Koshi. But you know you can’t do that because Koshi isn’t actually scum here. Like seriously. The 2 and 2 is that scum is leaving us alive because we supposedly telegraphed that we’d kill you yesterday. Cool. Then anyone who votes with us on you is almost assuredly scum because you are apparently one of the other townies. And I suppose Eywa is also scum according to you because he’s voting us, a lock town. So why haven’t you reached this conclusion yet??? Literally the only explanation is that you are scum because your options are still wide open even though you keep saying things that logically imply you should have voted already. -wherebugsgo | ||
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