[M][N]MiniFeast 1.5

On July 01 2019 16:58 Eversince wrote:




I don't think he sent out confirm PMs, but that clear statement when he plans to start the game. So people should just confirm.

On July 02 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:

my perspective changed

On July 02 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:

my perspective changed.

twice.

On July 02 2019 16:26 Trfel wrote:
No, I don't.

@Jockmcplop, my townread on Eversince achieved exactly what it was supposed to.

On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote:
I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash.

On July 02 2019 16:33 Eversince wrote:


Usually I do too. Which might happen again but I'll need to go back to sleep sometime tonight. I don't want to wake up tomorrow with 10-15 extra pages to try to read with 15 minutes, decide and make a vote. I'd rather talk while people are about.

On July 02 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:

my perspective changed

On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote:
Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here?

On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote: But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here?

On July 02 2019 16:55 Jockmcplop wrote:

If he's not trying to start a wagon, and he didn't stay here and question you or even vaguely try and poke for answers, what was the purpose behind voting for you?

On July 02 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
You seem the same as last game tone wise but your content is completely lacking. You've essentially defended pretty much everyone when they were called mafia saying "Where's their agenda?" which I don't like at all sooo at the moment you're quite low down on my scum list.

Trfel seems like a robot. I like all his content but absolutely feel like he's playing how he says he plays as mafia (although he seems to not agree (shocking)).

Jock looks fine.

Rayn is here I guess.

Grack/conversion obviously look mediocre.

Nothing really unique to add. Disappointed nobody even quoted my pandain post, I thought it was quite good.

On July 02 2019 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
I don't like Pandain deciding to town read trfel, hearing trfel say his read wasn't that strong but THEN saying "I don't think trfel would make such a strong town read as mafia because that ties his hands."

Feels like you ignored everything trfel was saying. Don't hate the picking up on grack and conversion later but the trfel thing, especially downgrading your read after for something not relevant at all (the bolded thing you highlighted) looks like you're just winging your read and aren't thinking it through.

On July 02 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:


No idea what his es read is lol. Null read or something?

On July 02 2019 14:57 Pandain wrote:
I'm voting ES. Her posts seem kind of fake and I don't know how she can seriously believe she "deserves" a town read this early in the take when absolutely nothing has happened.

On July 02 2019 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Like based on what pandain said on trfel and es, why cannot they be mafia together?

On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote:
I know this sounds really stupid, but...

Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.

I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T

On July 02 2019 18:37 Eversince wrote:
Ok. I read through his filter from that game real fast. Posting style seems very different from here.

On July 02 2019 18:40 Conversion wrote:


I personally don’t like meta checks so early.

On July 02 2019 18:40 Conversion wrote:
I kinda want to lynch Grack atm

On July 02 2019 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It isn't, there are a couple of very good points there.

Why does it matter that people talk about her town read?

On July 02 2019 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It isn't, there are a couple of very good points there.

On July 02 2019 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You, Jock, need to remember omgus isn't actually omgus if you have reasons for why the other person's shit is shit. I haven't seen you use omgus out of context but i have seen it many many times. Just because someone called you mafia doesn't make it invalid to make a case on them based on them calling you mafia (since mafia will anyways call townies mafia based on bs reasoning).

Do you think ES is town? Why?

On July 03 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I disagree with you here though.

On July 03 2019 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm a named townie again nobody has even thrown me in a mafia pile.

On July 03 2019 01:39 Grackaroni wrote:
OK I'm taking off and will come back before deadline.

Top town:
Conversion/Rayn

Lower town:
Jock

ES gets a pass from me day 1 based on tone, and she also played from the fucking bathtub, so you have to give points for effort.

Trfel seems like the most likely mafia to me, but I could also YOLO lynch HF.

On July 03 2019 02:11 Eywa- wrote:

I don't do associatives pre-flip

On July 03 2019 02:55 Eversince wrote:
I don't even think his scum read on me is wrong. I made a mistake and HF finding a problem with it makes sense because I made no sense.

On July 03 2019 03:07 Eywa- wrote:

I think Rayn clogs up the thread as either alignment and generally seems anti-town for it. It's NAI.

On July 03 2019 03:46 Conversion wrote:


I'm not quite sure where you're getting this "Conversion only makes OMGUS cases" meta from-- I've played one game with you.

Also, I never made OMGUS cases as mafia last game either, so your meta doesn't fit. I have no problems with you disagreeing with my case, but don't make up shit about my play.

On July 03 2019 03:49 Eywa- wrote:

OK, since you're town, I'll bite. What are you seeing?

Pandain come back and be more town for me

I'm sorry I just don't quite get this answer. First, the bolded portion isn't true. The bolded portion happened before the events in the previous paragraph, not after. I would understand if the progression happened as you describe, but that is NOT what actually happened.

On July 03 2019 08:09 Trfel wrote:
Thanks for explaining, I understand about the pressure vote.

I'm sorry you feel I am nitpicking and being annoying, that isn't my intention. I only questioned two things, I just wanted to make sure your answers were truthful. To me it's significant if someone tries to falsify information to justify their reads and make themselves look better, even if it's over a little thing. If I am wrong please feel free to correct me, but I have quadruple checked it and am pretty sure I am right. I'll let it drop because it's the only thing out of an otherwise decent filter, I'm sorry I'm just trying to understand.

On July 03 2019 15:03 Pandain wrote:


I thought he was playing scummy and the vote by itself generates conversation. I thought that was particuarly useful in a low player game.

On July 03 2019 13:14 Eywa- wrote:

I don't know that I would read much into it, because I also deviated from my standard gameplay to write to you because you seemed distressed.
.

On July 03 2019 15:42 Jockmcplop wrote:

You've been in games with distressed people before and not deviated one bit from your playstyle.
What's special about this game in particular?

On July 03 2019 16:22 Pandain wrote:
Jock why are you voting Eywa?

On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:

For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel.

On July 03 2019 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:

I have no idea why but I'll take it.

On July 03 2019 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:

Pandain?

I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think.

I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet,

On July 03 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:




This is what I see in grack's filter.

He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason.

I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two.

If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town?

If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case.

On July 03 2019 17:03 Pandain wrote:


To me, it's just the fact it's obvious he doesn't care about trying to find mafia (or the game at all really) combined with the fact he's posting a decent amount. That contradiction only makes sense if he's mafia.

It's a good question for Rayn. But honestly he strikes me as so townie I can't see my townread on him changing bar something crazy happening.

On July 03 2019 17:10 Pandain wrote:
Also, HF's point on ES is that "she said she knew my mafia meta! But it's not correct, this means she's scum and trying to fake a read!" That's not a good argument, people are wrong all the time. It could easily be town, do you think only mafia are wrong about meta's?

Rayn's biggest point is the "m!grack doesn't make any sense" contradiction. But if you read the original ES quote, it's clear that ES is saying that in one particular context mafia grack doesn't seem likely. And later on she says overall, Grack could be playing mafia or town. I get his point but it's not that strong and I could easily see town making it.

On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote:
I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk!

On July 03 2019 17:52 Pandain wrote:
@ES Convince me that Eywa is mafia.

Make a post with support and quoted posts.

On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:


I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto.

On July 03 2019 18:22 Eversince wrote:


Where did I ever say this?

On July 03 2019 18:51 Pandain wrote:
Honestly Jock I think you established yourself as clear town. Both you and Rayn. That is the #1 thing you can do at this point, even more important than lynching scum day 1 imo.

On July 03 2019 04:35 Eywa- wrote:

I don't think you're the only good lynch, but I think you're the most likely to get lynched of the narrow pool of acceptable lynches. The difference is negligible, so we can say you're the best lynch... or tied for the slot at least.

On July 03 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:


I can because I can simultaneously think Grack is mafia and do.

On July 03 2019 19:15 Holyflare wrote:



If they are mafia together then why would she ever want to lynch her partner?

On July 03 2019 19:18 Holyflare wrote:


And then she can't play after friday when her hotspot goes so okay.

On July 03 2019 20:07 Holyflare wrote:


This is wrong, I quite clearly called out pandain and you piggybacked it but it's not here. Me being lazy doesn't make me mafia though.

On July 03 2019 20:10 Holyflare wrote:
You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric.

You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric.

On July 03 2019 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
This is the most reasoning I think I've ever seen eywa post for a scum read in any game and it's coherent and says actual things that make people scummy.... and I kinda think that might make him mafia? :D

that's fucked up logic

On July 03 2019 20:17 Holyflare wrote:


Eywa? Eywa looks identical to eywa last game but for some reason they are ES's seemingly only scum read in the whole game.

On July 03 2019 20:35 Pandain wrote:
Unfortunately HF tunnels extremely easily. I could easily see him doing this as town.

There was another game earlier this year where Bugs, BC, VE, and I got him lynched because he was extremely tunneled on me and never made posts about anyone else. He ended up being town.

On July 03 2019 20:36 Pandain wrote:
Plus I could understand the Eywa "slipup". It's both true that his playstyle has been pretty much the same, but it's also true he's made some suprisingly coherent points. Neither of those are exclusive to each other.

On July 03 2019 20:43 Holyflare wrote:
It's not a slip up it was a facetious point that I don't even know if I believe.

On July 03 2019 20:47 Holyflare wrote:


I'm just lazy doesn't make me mafia.

On July 03 2019 21:08 Eywa- wrote:
Jockmcplop, have you abandoned your confidence approach from last game?

On July 03 2019 21:09 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm trying not to but I can't help not being confident in my own reads when the reasons aren't convincing. There wasn't really anything in there that was very good imo until i got to hf.

On July 03 2019 21:17 Eywa- wrote:

1) Grack could be mafia
2) She could think I'm a more viable lynch
3) She's under a lot of pressure and people under pressure do a lot of crazy things they wouldn't do otherwise.
4) She's afraid of giving more associations, so she's locking in all of her reads (this actually is pretty well in line with her play since I joined the wagon)


The issue here is, I don't think anything a player does under pressure or after a slip matters

On July 03 2019 21:21 Pandain wrote:

Definitely not very sensible. Then you couldn't count anything a person up for lynch does ever.

In that logic, once you decide you want to lynch someone, you ignore absolutely everything they say/do because they're "Under pressure"

On July 03 2019 21:35 Pandain wrote:


If she's town, her play makes complete sense. She does not think Grack is scum. She thinks you are scum. Yes, no one really thinks you are scum, but maybe she can convince people. She is not interested in "just surviving" per se, she is interested in lynching scum.

If she's mafia. Her play makes no sense. She is trying to push someone who almost no one thinks is scum when she's up for lynch and there's another viable counterwagon. In fact, there's only one viable counterwagon.

On July 03 2019 21:37 Pandain wrote:
At least HF thinks both are scum, so he has some leeway. You do not.

On July 03 2019 21:42 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to vote Eywa until he starts talking.
jock wanna join me? I'll vote with you HF at eod if ES is the only other option.

On July 03 2019 21:44 Eywa- wrote:

This is incorrect, but probably the perception.

Honestly, both are ok plays as either alignment. You can gambit on yourself or you can counter wagon.

It has nothing to do with alignment, it's just about playstyle.

We shouldn't all lose our minds because someone chose gambit on themselves...

On July 03 2019 21:47 Eywa- wrote:

It would be incorrect to do so. That's not an associative, what happened before is the associative. All I'm saying is that her optimal play as mafia is always the same as her optimal play for town. She can counter wagon or she can gambit, both are valid plays and are NOT associative.

On July 03 2019 22:22 Holyflare wrote:
Lol all your logic literally doesn't apply to almost every game I've ever played in. Mafia defends grack, if he's town they don't want to look bad. Could be why she's slowly eroding her town read on grack to move her vote "legitimately" at the end of the day.

They could both be mafia and that's why she's arbitrarily picked someone that in my eyes is an easy lynch that isn't grack.

I don't believe if they're both mafia they'd vote each other, that's stupid logic.

On July 03 2019 22:36 Pandain wrote:




Does this look like "slowly eroding a town read" to you? It's the opposite, Holyflare.

On July 03 2019 22:56 Holyflare wrote:


You're telling me that es is town because she won't vote grack. Then why is that logic not made for grack who isn't voting es???

On July 03 2019 23:04 Holyflare wrote:


Feel free to vote me.

On July 03 2019 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

he isn't "obviously mafia".

On July 03 2019 23:15 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really understand what I've done that's scummy other than be marginally apathetic to the game.

On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:


You keep referencing the bad logic but then said you're starting to see my point of view. So which is it eh?

On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think anyone reading my post can disagree with my point in eywa. It's different, even eywa agrees. If you are mafia es and your partner is up for lynch mafia go for lynch bait which es did even though eywa is playing similarly to last game.

My thoughts on eywa mean nothing because of several reasons:

Es never agreed with those points.
Es played with eywa literally last game.

If you take away my point on eywa, eywa looks the same as last game and es is pushing that as scummy even though literally in the last game eywa was the same. There is no hesitance. Its "oh yeah counter wagon grack is up for lynch, maybe he is scummy! But this eyway guy that's the same as last game though!"

It's superficial and contradictory to what her own thought process should be and is typical of mafia trying to find an easy lynch wagon to place a vote. Who else does es really scum read? Sure your read list can elaborate on that.

On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:


Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that.

If you think my only continual point for lynching es is the meta read on me then you clearly have not been reading what I've said in the slightest. The meta read is bad, yes, but I've clearly made several points after that.

This is the most reasoning I think I've ever seen eywa post for a scum read in any game and it's coherent and says actual things that make people scummy.... and I kinda think that might make him mafia? :D

that's fucked up logic

On July 04 2019 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
You've also falsely said that my vote was 3rd on the es wagon because I was scared of voting. I'd like to direct you to me voting in this thread where at least my intention of ##vote would have made me the first real voter (excluding pandain who wasn't even a real vote).

On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand.

On July 04 2019 00:35 Pandain wrote:


Explain this. So you admit you did say eywa looks different?

On July 04 2019 00:50 Eywa- wrote:

It took you quite a while to get here. Care to comment?

On July 04 2019 00:53 Eywa- wrote:

I'm just saying you were far more enlightened last game, this game it's taken you a while to come to this point.

On July 04 2019 01:49 Holyflare wrote:


In regard to Jock, I think it's this point that really makes me waiver. What other points or theories does he actually have that would make him think I'm mafia? I'm pretty sure they're all gone. He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.

He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.

On July 04 2019 02:00 Holyflare wrote:


I didn't make it up I literally quoted the post where you said it? If you still had it all along then you really misworded that post and the intention wasn't clear.

On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand.

On July 04 2019 15:26 Trfel wrote:
What do you think of Holyflare?

I can never read him to save my life, he could convince me to jump off a cliff I want to say he's mafia but that makes me think he is town, he has a habit of being the opposite of what I think...

I haven't really seen a ton of notable (in terms of figuring out his alignment) stuff from him, I just feel like he's started to become really manipulative since the deadline and that scares me. I didn't feel a lot of thread presence/control from him before End of Day, it felt like he kinda let it happen, and then it feels like he's been playing off of guilt ever since (pun not intended). But really I have no clue I'll read his filter and see if my perceptions are correct but I doubt it'll help me much.

On July 04 2019 16:39 Holyflare wrote:


Elaborate.

I've lost my read on Pandain after the deadline slightly. It was more the interaction with Jock and myself with him there calming jock down with reasonable assumptions that made me town read him but I realise this can be someone trying to pocket me with perfect information.

On July 04 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote:


No she makes plenty of them and then responds to points which is imo worse because it looks like an excuse to leave at any point. It's unnecessary and a bad habit for mafia. Either way it reinvigorated my want to lynch her until she actually responded.

On July 04 2019 17:23 Holyflare wrote:


Do you think I pay attention to people I don't scum read?

[B]On July 04 2019 17:40 Holyflare wrote:
[b]You are misrepresenting things entirely. You're picking and choosing what I say and ignoring the perfectly valid reasons for why I did them just to say "lol because of an afk excuse over grack!" which is not what I did in the slightest.

Then you acknowledge I never actually dropped it because of grack's posts so what you're doing is in fact misrepresenting the "facts" entirely.

Very bad look for you pandain. What is even the point behind your read here? That I voted someone over someone else or what? That I didn't vote grack so I'm mafia because?

Either I told the truth or in some way I lied but you've never said my motivation for lying at any point so the only option left is truth.

On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF?

On July 04 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:


Every time I skim the thread I see something like "oh gtg bye!" yes.

Whether she does it all the time or does it as town I don't know nor really care. Nothing to do with her afk excuse is the sole reason I'm scum reading her. It's probably about the lowest reason I can think of. It was a good enough reason for me to want to keep pressure on her until she answered my points though.

On July 04 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:


Are you intentionally dense? I had a mafia case on ES and it wasn't very close to deadline so, yes, it is a good reason to keep my vote on someone I think is mafia to force them to generate content?

On July 04 2019 18:28 Holyflare wrote:


Well you're missing the entirety of the posts ES was posting so, yes. It wasn't "content" it was more reasons for me to keep my vote on her.

On July 04 2019 21:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Pandain you're going to get shot.

On July 04 2019 21:26 Holyflare wrote:


Perhaps you should get to doing that then because his push tonight was completely bat shit insane.

On July 04 2019 21:39 Eywa- wrote:
I actually agree with most of the case against HolyFlare by the way, I just can't get past the fact that we dodged an ES lynch to hammer our PR. I was kind of leaning ES (if town) -> HF...

But obviously the counter wagon screwed that plan. Now, I'm in a rough spot, because the element of "what do I allow people to get away with" comes into it. I think if Jock is scum for instance, he needs to be lynched... So I might weigh a little bit less purely on reads and a bit more on "what if" and who deserves death.

On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel?

On July 04 2019 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think he did his town thing on the post on HF.

On July 04 2019 22:20 Eversince wrote:


Woahhhh where was this?? I completely miss it!

To me this is the strongest point. About two and a half hours before the lynch, Holyflare says that he would slightly prefer lynching Grackaroni over Eversince:
On July 04 2019 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk?

Dumb and probably mafia.
Day 1 vote count
Vote Count, Eight Minutes to EoD
Eversince: (5) raynpelikoneet, Eywa-, Holyflare, Conversion, Grackaroni
Grackaroni: (4) Trfel, Pandain, jockmcplop, Eversince

If Holyflare changed his vote to Grackaroni, Grackaroni would be lynched instead of Eversince. Let's assume that Eversince's posts and discussion with Holyflare caused Holyflare to change his mind and prefer lynching Eversince to lynching Grackaroni. But even still, Holyflare very obviously preferred lynching Grackaroni to lynching anyone else. With obvious shenanigans coming (evidence to follow), Holyflare here could either: push hard for an Eversince lynch to try and make sure he gets his preferred lynch, or vote for Grackaroni, a lynch he is happy with, to prevent shenanigans off of his preferred lynch targets.

Posts in the thread in the last eight minutes of Day 1, making it clear that shenanigans were incoming:
On July 04 2019 04:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm strongly for a Conv lynch (if Grack won't get lynched) just because I have town reads on everyone except Grack and him.

Jock is way too active. Rayn is way too active. HF could be scum but seems townie.
Trfel is playing like his town games. Eywa was really townie with his exhcnage with me.

Who else wants to lynch Conv (or grack)
On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain switch to conversion with me
On July 04 2019 04:26 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +


I switched.

Who else wants to join?
On July 04 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:
If ES and Trfel switch ES is saved
Grack vote conv
Instead of voting for Grackaroni or persuading people not to switch votes, Holyflare argues with Eversince, accomplishing neither of these goals. He does make one post directed to the thread as a whole:
On July 04 2019 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +


Because I know you tools will do some stupid shit and she won't get lynched.
But if he really wanted to prevent the shenanigans and the Conversion lynch, it would have been much more effective to push for Eversince and talk to the people present, instead of arguing with his extremely strong scumread. Holyflare carries a lot of influence and generally gets his way in mafia games, but here it feels like he just kinda let it happen.

On July 04 2019 22:38 Eywa- wrote:
I hope we lose.

On July 05 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jock? what was that comment?

On July 05 2019 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and why is that?

On July 05 2019 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I started having a "go" on Pandain because i thought he is the one who shot Grackaroni and it was a bad shot and he should claim if he made that shot. I voted after that and then what? What does my vote make me?

On July 05 2019 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like, do you think i am mafia Jock?

On July 05 2019 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about you start trusting some people who wanted to lynch mafia?
If not me then trust HF.

Or make another case that's better.

On July 05 2019 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But dont take jabs at me because i dont like it, especailly in case i am right and you had like fucking all game read wrong....

On July 05 2019 15:12 Eversince wrote:


Nah friend. I think Truffles is right no way 2 mafia get 2 kp so Pandain is probably vig unless someone counters.

On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote:
I'm not mafia and I refuse to be lynched, better try something else.

Judging purely by gamestate here it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though

Jockmcplop, can I ask you why I should be towreading you? (not a challenge, honest question)

On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote:
I'm not mafia and I refuse to be lynched, better try something else.

Judging purely by gamestate here it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though

Jockmcplop, can I ask you why I should be towreading you? (not a challenge, honest question)

On July 05 2019 15:27 Eversince wrote:
Ugh. I'm waffling so hard on this game again. We should just lynch Eywa. Her points on me were crap! Then she came back to thread to say she wasn't going to elaborate them! Obviously most scummy player in the thread right now..

On July 05 2019 15:28 Eversince wrote:
Jock's whole exchange here was for stupid reasons. I don't see why m!Jock does it though..

On July 05 2019 15:31 Eversince wrote:


They can't be scum together I'm still alive!

On July 05 2019 15:33 Jockmcplop wrote:


What does this mean? Of course you can, they just failed to mislynch you day 1.

On July 05 2019 15:41 Eversince wrote:


It's so easy to sway vote count here, if they are are a team I'm 100% dead.

On July 05 2019 15:41 Eversince wrote:


It's so easy to sway vote count here, if they are are a team I'm 100% dead.

On July 05 2019 15:45 Eversince wrote:
Yeh but HF was swaying and it could of moved the vote easy if they both tried to pressure people into voting me. That didn't happen so why would that scum team ignore it and just let easy t!ES live? Neither pushed for Conv and it's pretty obvious Rayn has a t!Conv point of view so nothing here makes it seem like a scum team is trying to push off me. Seems like town tumbling and we got it wrong.

On July 05 2019 16:08 Eversince wrote:


Nah mafia absolutely care. both don't want to be implicate when I flip town. So they never vote together here.

On July 05 2019 16:08 Eversince wrote:


Nah mafia absolutely care. both don't want to be implicate when I flip town. So they never vote together here.

On July 05 2019 16:18 Eversince wrote:


How..?

On July 05 2019 16:20 Jockmcplop wrote:


Pandain isn't mafia

that leaves eywa and rayn who voted together for you on day,

either that or one of me and trfel must be mafia

Me and trfel are trying not to lynch you.

On July 05 2019 16:23 Jockmcplop wrote:


This is the situation as I see it from your POV

On July 05 2019 16:31 Trfel wrote:
No worries, it's not necessarily meant to be read. I'm currently trying to organize my thoughts into something much more readable and meaningful.

Jockmcplop, why do you think me and raynpelikoneet being mafia together is unlikely? I'm sorry, I'm actually complete garbage at associative reads.

On July 05 2019 17:28 Trfel wrote:
I think and hope that when Pandain said he would afk for a day, he meant a 24 hour normal day, not the full mafia day. I'm hoping he comes back tomorrow.

On July 05 2019 17:49 Trfel wrote:
Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard

On July 05 2019 18:02 Trfel wrote:
Assuming both of us are town, yes. Unfortunately, and especially after you tore me to pieces as mafia, that's not an assumption I can safely make just yet

On July 05 2019 18:43 Eversince wrote:
Sorry just back in and only skim. I like Jock's reasoning so much. I said before I'd be willing to die but as pointed out we are MYLO so town can't afford it! Rayn/Eywa then?

On July 05 2019 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What a load of shit lol.

On July 05 2019 19:41 Eywa- wrote:

So, if ES is town (which is doubtful), she knows that it's between me, Rayn and jockmcplop... She doesn't believe both scum targetted her d1 (wow... You're correct!).

On July 05 2019 19:42 Eywa- wrote:
Basically, jockmcplop is near confirmed scum from town!es perspective... Sooo the sheeping of plop is all wack.

On July 05 2019 19:51 Eywa- wrote:

Because hammer doesn't end the day.

I also don't think it's the scum combo. I was explaining how your current wagon is coo coo for cocoa puffs.

On July 05 2019 19:51 Eywa- wrote:

So you believe with near 100% certainty that it's me and Rayn?

On July 05 2019 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What a load of shit lol.

On July 05 2019 19:55 Eywa- wrote:

Truffle is not scum with anyone other than ES, the day 1 hammer indicates that.