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I'm fairly confident.

I'm not 100% townreading ES..

This is exactly what I've been saying for a few pages.

That's why I was saying to truffles that 1 of rayn/ES is mafia. We need to work out which one, then the game is solved.

But we agree the game is solved from ES PoV?

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 10:59 GMT

#1363

On July 05 2019 19:58 Eywa- wrote:

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Why can't it be Rayn + ES?

I'm pretty much ruling it out because of how the game has gone so far.

It could be, but I'm putting that down as being extremely unlikely.

This remote possibility is why we should vote into whichever of rayn/ES we decide is mafia.

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 11:00 GMT

#1364

On July 05 2019 19:58 Eywa- wrote:

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But we agree the game is solved from ES PoV?

That's what I've been trying to say to ES.. Pretty much, unless there's an unlikely mafia team

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 11:01 GMT

#1365

On July 05 2019 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:

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That's what I've been trying to say to ES.. Pretty much, unless there's an unlikely mafia team

If ES is town, ES has to believe one of the following things:

1: rayn/eywa is the mafia team
2: one of the people trying to save t!ES is mafia for some reason.

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 11:03 GMT

#1366

Thing is, I'm here trying to work this shit out with you guys, rayn has just popped in for a second to call some stuff bullshit and then left again.

His whole thing since end of night 1 has been to just vote ES and get everyone else to vote ES instead of even bothering to try and think through the consequences of what has happened or work out possibilities.

Its incredibly mafia like behaviour.

Eywa-

Canada4876 Posts

July 05 2019 11:04 GMT

#1367

Jock seems to understand his town perspective better than anyone in the game, so I assume he's town. So...

Possible mafia combinations are truffle + ES, ES + rayn or Rayn + truffle.

Since none of those align with the possible combinations of t!es, ES has to be mafia.

Eywa-

Canada4876 Posts

July 05 2019 11:11 GMT

#1368

On July 05 2019 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:

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The issue with ruling that out is... If ES is mafia, you, pandain and truffle have acted as her scum team... Therefore Rayn would not have had to do anything.

Eywa-

Canada4876 Posts

July 05 2019 11:13 GMT

#1369

Yeah, so 100% we lynch ES today, and we try to solve between Rayn and Truffle

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 11:15 GMT

#1370

On July 05 2019 20:13 Eywa- wrote:
Yeah, so 100% we lynch ES today, and we try to solve between Rayn and Truffle

I can see that that is the smart play from your POV.

Currently I'm in a space where voting either rayn/es works depending on which one is mafia.

I need to look through your filter properly eywa and that will help me decide I think.

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 12:14 GMT

#1371

Eywa some of your early reads are still unexplained.
Are you in an explainy mood today?

I'd like to know where your townreads came from early on, specifically these ones:

On July 03 2019 02:07 Eywa- wrote:
Truffles, Jock and Conversion probably won't fall into my lynch pool anytime soon.

On July 03 2019 02:07 Eywa- wrote:
We can probably take Pandain out of that for now too.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

July 05 2019 12:26 GMT

#1372

On July 05 2019 17:08 Trfel wrote:
raynpelikoneet

Easy townreads early on that don't make sense (Grackaroni, Conversion)
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Yeah yeah, I know, I'm one to talk, with my Eversince read and all. If that's really an issue for you let me know and I can explain it, I like to think we're all past that now though.

On Grackaroni:
On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack might be town.
Raynpelikoneet's initial town lean on Grackaroni. And here is his explanation:
On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that.
And here is the post in question:
On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.

I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
To me this doesn't show thought process at all, raynpelikoneet's explanation really doesn't make sense here. Grackaroni stated two extremely obvious points, and it took minimal effort, and could easily be done by mafia. He didn't even draw any conclusions from this.

Later, raynpelikoneet posts a further townread of Grackaroni:
On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now.
Raynpelikoneet's reasons for this:
On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense.
Grackaroni's posts in question:
On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

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On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?

Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
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On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?

Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

can you expand on this?

He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.
However, raynpelikoneet himself even posted reasons to doubt this reasoning:
On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?

Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

can you expand on this?

He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.

but last game you did that as town in his mind right?
In addition to the fact that it's easily explained. Grackaroni didn't even draw any conclusios from this, he just called it "very strange." To be honest, I don't see a ton of thought process or follow-up from Grackaroni in these posts, which is how raynpelikoneet characterized them. And I don't think most other players did either. So where did raynpelikoneet's townread come from? It feels like too much information, in this case, truly knowing that Grackaroni is town and letting that affect his read.
On Conversion:
Raynpelikoneet's first post implying a townread of Conversion:
On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?
Conversion's posts relevant to this:
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
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On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?

Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread

I don’t like this post. ick
On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:
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On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?

Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread

I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?

too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred

also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late
This is at least somewhat understandable, though really Conversion only shared one thought. Later, raynpelikoneet posts this:
On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah conversion easily town this game.
You can look here for the specific posts, it's a little long; but for a brief summary, Conversion's posts in question are pushing onto Eversince. Seems to be a townread simply for also scumreading Eversince. You can look at this exchange yourself, it starts on page 11, I just really feel (again) like this is a weak townread that doesn't have justification to back it up.
Raynpelikoneet didn't care about the Day 1 lynch, between his townread and his scumread
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Honestly I think this is probably the strongest point I have. From raynpelikoneet's perspective, the lynch in the last eight minutes was his townread (Conversion) against his strong scumread (Eversince). Posts in the thread in the last eight minutes of Day 1, making it clear that shenanigans were incoming:
On July 04 2019 04:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm strongly for a Conv lynch (if Grack won't get lynched) just because I have town reads on everyone except Grack and him.

Jock is way too active. Rayn is way too active. HF could be scum but seems townie.
Trfel is playing like his town games. Eywa was really townie with his exhcnage with me.

Who else wants to lynch Conv (or grack)
On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain switch to conversion with me
On July 04 2019 04:26 Pandain wrote:
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On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain switch to conversion with me

I switched.

Who else wants to join?
On July 04 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:
If ES and Trfel switch ES is saved
Grack vote conv
So raynpelikoneet was present, and if he was at all reading, knew that shenanigans were coming and that Conversion being lynched was at least a possiblity. During these last eight minutes, here are raynpelikoneet's posts:
On July 04 2019 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
On July 04 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.

She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.

That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player.

that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.

Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that.

I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly.
He's continuing to argue and explain himself. He's only minimally pushing Eversince here, he's not saying anything about Conversion, he's not getting upset, he seems very calm and relaxed. In fact, it doesn't feel like raynpelikoneet is invested or cares about the lynch at all.

I know I made a similar point against Holyflare in my case on him, but that was a bad case. There the point was bad, because in that game Holyflare made several posts to Eversince, calling her mafia, in the same time window. The argument against Holyflare was that the posts were addressed to Eversince instead of the thread, which is weak. And even still Holyflare made a post to the threaad in response to the shenanigans:
On July 04 2019 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 04 2019 04:28 Pandain wrote:
HF no idea why you're talking when you're never gonna change your mind in a million years

Because I know you tools will do some stupid shit and she won't get lynched.
Yet raynpelikoneet did none of this. He did not care about the lynch.
raynpelikoneet is mad at Pandain for shooting Grackaroni, a player who he highly scumread
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Through Night 1, raynpelikoneet believed that Eversince and Grackaroni were the two mafia. I will provide several quotes about this, for emphasis:
On July 04 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 04 2019 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn what exactly are your reads actually?

ES + Grackaroni mafia pretty much.
On July 05 2019 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Aside from ES you should kill Grack. He made the post on me being mafia, i can understand you not agreeing with me here or even thinking it's a good post. Just read it again. It doesn't make sense i am sorry i can't explain it further. Then there is the post on Conversion i challenged at eod, the reasons he says conv is mafia for happened when he read conv town, middle point of the post is fluff that doesnt make anyone anything and the the rest is "rayn and conversion are mfia because other people i have better feelings on". Me + Conversion were his top town reads!!!!!! Who did what? He never goes into anything like who actually did something and what makes them town. He just throws out a narrative and sticks shit with it, conversion up to lynch and me to throw distrust on.

Sorry if not clear, but that's what i think.
On July 05 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kill ES, kill Grack, profit.
On July 05 2019 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lynch ES, lynch Grack. If either of them are town then idk, maybe Pandain?
I have a hard time seeing anyone else as mafia. Maybe maybe maybe Eywa but that reasoning i have at the back of my head is fucked up and you will have to figure out yourself. Eywa is not mafia though.
And here is raynpelikoneet's reaction to End of Night 1, seeing Holyflare and Grackaroni flip town:
On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck you
On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vigi what`?
On July 05 2019 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why no shot on ES? Why in the hell?
It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here. He was highly suspecting Grackaroni, he was going to lynch Grackaroni after Eversince anyway. One of his scumreads still died, objectively it wasn't a bad shot. Raynpelikoneet has no reason to be mad about this, as he can still go and lynch Eversince (his other scumread) and then find out who the last mafia (assuming Eversince is mafia) is, the vigilante shot didn't really change much of anything.

Except raynpelikoneet is mad about it anyway. This doesn't make sense from what his perspective should be.

Conclusion: I think there is a decent chance raynpelikoneet is mafia. I still want to filter everyone else before I decide, but I think these are some solid reasons to be suspicious of raynpelikoneet.

Easy townreads early on that don't make sense (Grackaroni, Conversion)

You're incorrect, that is not the post i read Grackaroni slightly town early game. I am pretty sure i talked about the post. Yeah i went to check and i literally said "His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense." Why did you miss the actual reason i had for my grack read and take some other post and try to make it look like that's the post in question???? Grackaroni made a question to Trfel about his post (i also found that post weird, you can probably tell because we had a talk about it later) -> rayn thinks grack is up to something here, agrees with grack, waits for his follow up (like i said in my post on grack later what i would expect mafia!grack to do, or not to do) -> grack follows up in a townie way, except for one point -> rayn asks grack about it -> grack explains reasonably. I am not sure how this is so very hard to put together why i had a townread on Grack at the time i did.

On Conversion, he said "I don’t like this post [by trfel]" which i didn't like either. He said "also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early [on ES]" which is a conclusion i had at the time and which is the only reasonable conclusion to the shit-read on ES being town because happy and shit. Later on Conversion made a case on Eversince and pushed his case, i agreed with his points (i said that too). Why the fuck am i NOT supposed to have a town read on Conversion in case i am town????

I don't understand any of this. Like you can disagree with my reasoning being bad or wrong or whatever shit you want to but you simply cannot not understand where i am coming from because it's literally all in my filter and VERY CLEARLY explained.

Raynpelikoneet didn't care about the Day 1 lynch, between his townread and his scumread

That's just simply untrue. I did what i had the time to do. The ONLY "case" ever against Conversion that was posted in the thread was Grackaroni's and i heavily opposed the case and in my opinion debunked it. Because noone (even Grack) told me why me telling why the case doesn't make Conversion is mafia is wrong, i simply figured that i am to be believed here. Everyone else's "case" was basically that "conv is bleh" and that's not a fucking case, that's bull-fucking-shit. Holyflare was already arguing on ES, i was focusing on debunking the only "real" argument on Conv and i felt like i succeeded since noone opposed what i was saying. Another thing, i don't read the voting thread. I go there to vote. i simply had no time to do anything because i knew pandain and jock were voting for conversion, but because noone except for me posts their votes into teh game thread also i simply had no idea grack is going to vote, and even if he was it's not gonna be conv lynched over ES as it's 4-4. I think you're being very fucking hypocrite here Trfel since i didn't really need to do anything unless you came to the thread and said "i am going to vote for conversion". But no, you decided to ninja and then have the guts to come tell me RAYN DID EVERYTHING WRONG. ffs, you're making me really angry right now.

raynpelikoneet is mad at Pandain for shooting Grackaroni, a player who he highly scumread

1) it was a first spontanous reaction to grack flipping town. because;
2) you always shoot the counter-wagon this game here on N1. You fucking always do that even if you think they are town because it gives you the most information on other players and possibly clears like half-the-fucking game!! There is simply NO OTHER RIGHT ANSWER than to shoot ES there if you are a vigilante. Never!! I understand Pandain's reasons since he thought ES is town and Grack is mafia but still he made a wrong choice (gameplaywise) and i was mad about it.

Now i am going to make a post why Jock is mafia and because people have made me mad with their bullshit this phase you will see what burying someone really means in a game of mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

July 05 2019 12:28 GMT

#1373

did you become an idiot somehow eywa? i am never ever in any fucking world mafia with eversince. neither are you so why the fuck can't you see that?

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 12:35 GMT

#1374

Still not answering my question rayn? Just gonna do an OMGUS instead.

Good call buddy.

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 12:36 GMT

#1375

ps guys
*that's why he wanted pandain to out himself early in the day, so he knew who to make up a case on*

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 13:03 GMT

#1376

That's just simply untrue. I did what i had the time to do. The ONLY "case" ever against Conversion that was posted in the thread was Grackaroni's and i heavily opposed the case and in my opinion debunked it. Because noone (even Grack) told me why me telling why the case doesn't make Conversion is mafia is wrong, i simply figured that i am to be believed here. Everyone else's "case" was basically that "conv is bleh" and that's not a fucking case, that's bull-fucking-shit. Holyflare was already arguing on ES, i was focusing on debunking the only "real" argument on Conv and i felt like i succeeded since noone opposed what i was saying. Another thing, i don't read the voting thread. I go there to vote. i simply had no time to do anything because i knew pandain and jock were voting for conversion, but because noone except for me posts their votes into teh game thread also i simply had no idea grack is going to vote, and even if he was it's not gonna be conv lynched over ES as it's 4-4. I think you're being very fucking hypocrite here Trfel since i didn't really need to do anything unless you came to the thread and said "i am going to vote for conversion". But no, you decided to ninja and then have the guts to come tell me RAYN DID EVERYTHING WRONG. ffs, you're making me really angry right now.

This is one of the most bullshit explanations for any behaviour that I have ever read....

He was too fucking distracted at end of day to bother looking at the vote thread for what the vote count was??

FUCKING PLEASE rayn we aren't morons.

You couldn't give a shit who was getting lynched on day 1 because it was between 3 townies. Otherwise you might have actually done something.

You expect us to believe that you don't read the vote thread. Someone who's getting as angry as you are about this game doesn't bother to open the vote thread at end of day to see who's voting for who?

Do you give a shit about the game or not rayn?

I think the most likely explanation is that you were mafia.

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9338 Posts

July 05 2019 13:05 GMT

#1377

Rayn what have you done this game expect for argue for 72 hours with eversince about her grack read?
Fuck all.

Where have you collaborated with townies to help advance the game or increase people's understanding of what's going on?
You haven't.

Eywa-

Canada4876 Posts

July 05 2019 13:06 GMT

#1378

On July 05 2019 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
did you become an idiot somehow eywa? i am never ever in any fucking world mafia with eversince. neither are you so why the fuck can't you see that?

I still think Truffle is the more likely scum buddy, but I can't definitively say that.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

July 05 2019 13:08 GMT

#1379

Let's start with the fact that at least one out of Jock/Trfel is mafia. Eywa is not mafia with Eversince so at least one of them has to be town. I am town and Pandain is town. Trfel's case is really shitty tbh but i don't think it necessarily comes from mafia perspective.

So here we go:

On July 05 2019 15:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
I do think rayn is mafia though.

(1)He has spent the entire game arguing one single point with ES, the whole game. He never tried to work anything out, or work with town at all, just 72 hours of going on and on about ES's grack read.

(2)Then when a bunch of flips happen he doesn't stop and think or try and figure out what happened he's just straight back on ES again.

(1) That's just simply untrue. IT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE!!! Any single person who goes read my filter can tell this is bullshit because i did a LOT more than "just 72 hours of going on and on about ES's grack read". Even talking JUST about my read on ES this is untrue. Does anyone in the game feel like i haven''t been trying to question their motives, no... NEVER question their motives for their posts???? If you answered "no" Jock is making shit up, if you answered "yes" you're making shit up. And that's a fucking fact even if i was mafia in this game.
(2) Here's what happened: We were lynching ES my scumread, Pandain started being retarded and five people yoloed on Conversion, my town read, from Eversince, my scumread without a fucking case. Noone has EVER in this game said WHY my case on ES is bad, why HF's case is bad, why Conversion's points are bad, why Eywas points are bad. Everyone who is not amongts this group of people has just fucking ignored everything we have been saying and lived in a happy-la-la-land because happy ES and 4 year old meta. Like fuck you all. Why the fuck should i EVER reconsider my reads at the start of D2 because all of you who weren't on ES did mafia things all fucking D1 even if Eversince is town?!?!?!?!?!?!

Funnily enough somehow i should reconsider my reads when Conversion turned up town, Grackaroni turned up town, Holyflare turned up town. Correct me if i am wrong but HE SHOULD BE THE ONE thinking "hmm maybe i am wrong because my reads were really bad" and not me, because there is no reason for me to think my reads are wrong (aside from grack obvs, but that doesnt matter here). Like he just decided a person he is calling mafia and then trying to make evidence to fit his read.

On July 05 2019 15:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
you,conversion and grack were all town!

Why did they have to push anyone to do anything?????

When the voting was unclear, they were trying to get everyone to vote for you. Then when it became obvious it was gonna be a mislynch either way they didn't need to get anyone to vote for you any more.

Rayn/eywa makes sense if you look at it like this.

The green part is already wrong because i did a lot fucking more than just push ES, btu still, there was NEVER EVER during D1 a situation where EITHER me or Eywa was going to get lynched. I don't give any shits about how "unclear" the voting was but the explanation in the red part makes abolutely no sense as town because the justification for the read is wrong. If me and eywa were mafia we wouldn't have been needing to do anything all fucking game but in Jock's mind we ONLY "stopped doing stuff" after wagons ES/Grack turned into ES/(Grack)/Conversion. Can you see how retarded the conclusion here is? Like THAT'S why me and Eywa are mafia?!?!?!!?!

Once again, Jock has decided on who is mafia and then trying to make the evidence to fit.

I will break the next quote in pieces:

On July 05 2019 18:12 Jockmcplop wrote:

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I'll go through my logic just to make sure we're on the same page....

from your POV trfel

either one of rayn or es has to be mafia unless the mafia team is me and eywa

correct

I'm saying if eywa and I were the mafia team I would just lynch ES and the game is over as it is now.

i dont think jock + eywa are mafia but that's straight up bullshit. there is never any world where having one town wagon is better for mafia at this point than having TWO town wagons. People tend to think they need to decide between the lynches and when you give them options (more than one) people are likely to fuck up. Also let's assume this is the case and Jock is mafia. How do you justify " I would just lynch ES and the game is over" as Jock here, like the dude has been townreading ES since the start of the game so come D2 he just comes in and says that town!ES is mafia? Like what the fucking bullshit is this? I am never going to believe he actually thinks this as town.

Therefore mafia can't be me and eywa.

incorrect.

Therefore one of ES/rayn has to be mafia.

incorrect, but yeah most likely true.

Unless you think its eywa/me and we are trying to prolong the game for some reason.

Once again, read what i said above. If ES is town (i dont think she is) there is NO REASON why you, Trfel, should NOT think Jock + Eywa is a viable team. The explanation Jock gave for that line of thinking is just incredibly wrong.

Jock has decided who he wants to call mafia and makes evidence fit his narrative even when it clearly doesn't.

Eywa, i am not sure how swingy of a player you are. I am gonna tell this to you. Even if you think i am mafia this is true. You need to vote with Pandain, otherwise we almost always lose. ES is mafia and jock is mafia but you still need to vote with pandain even if he votes for me, because you can't know for sure if i am town or not. If pandain loses the game for the town then by voting for me then i guess he's just an idiot who cannot play mafia because he has single handedly lost the game for town. If the person in Trfel/Jock pool (aka Trfel) who is town can't understand this and loses the game then i guess he's just another idiot who cannot play mafia.

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July 05 2019 13:09 GMT

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On July 05 2019 22:06 Eywa- wrote:

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I still think Truffle is the more likely scum buddy, but I can't definitively say that.

i don't think that's the case, i just posted about jock. trfel at least is trying to be reasonable, jock just decided who to call mafia and is making the evidence to fit his case even when the evidence clearly suggest otherwise.

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