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On July 05 2019 21:14 Jockmcplop wrote:Eywa some of your early reads are still unexplained. Are you in an explainy mood today? I'd like to know where your townreads came from early on, specifically these ones: Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 02:07 Eywa- wrote:
Truffles, Jock and Conversion probably won't fall into my lynch pool anytime soon. Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 02:07 Eywa- wrote:
We can probably take Pandain out of that for now too.
They weren't town reads, just outside of my interest to lynch day 1.
Combination of factors
1) ES was super scummy and would be the first and only lynch from the jock/truffles/pandain wagon.
2) I felt like Conversion's entrance was OK and then people's reactions to him made him more likely town than HF and Rayn who at this point were in agreement and didn't argue at all.
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On July 05 2019 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 22:06 Eywa- wrote:On July 05 2019 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
did you become an idiot somehow eywa? i am never ever in any fucking world mafia with eversince. neither are you so why the fuck can't you see that? I still think Truffle is the more likely scum buddy, but I can't definitively say that. i don't think that's the case, i just posted about jock. trfel at least is trying to be reasonable, jock just decided who to call mafia and is making the evidence to fit his case even when the evidence clearly suggest otherwise.
Jock understands his town position, Truffle has demonstrated no such understanding.
Truffle hammered D1, but somehow was AFK at both flips, waited to get the vibe before posting.
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On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
So I've got:
trfel + es
vs
rayn + pandain
at the moment, right?
On July 05 2019 15:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
I mean unless there's bussing happening (which there might be) the mafia team is trfel and es
On July 05 2019 15:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn, pandain read that above, surely you agree?
I could go with you on ES next day but trfel is 100% mafia
On July 05 2019 15:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
I forgot eywa
ignore everything i wrote
I jsut woke up haha
After this all, pandain + rayn becomes impossible, what does jock do? VOTE FOR RAYN!
YEAAAHHHH SUREBRO!
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Mafia is just ES and Jock. That's it. Do what you gotta do.
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Joskc starts to call me mafia after this post:
On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote:Judging purely by gamestate here it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though 
convenient? Like Jock calls Trfel mafia, Trfel responds with "rayn is probably mafia but no reasoning here". Jock "forgot Eywa" and that makes him drop the scumread on Trfel and then he starts yelling "rayn is mafia!!!"
Are you fucking blind to not see what's going on here?
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On July 05 2019 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Joskc starts to call me mafia after this post: Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 15:16 Trfel wrote:Judging purely by gamestate here it makes sense to me that raynpelikoneet is mafia, it feels like mafia has a decent amount of thread pull and influence. Honestly it makes me think of raynpelikoneet/Eywa- or raynpelikoneet/jockmcplop. I have no other real reason for why raynpelikoneet is mafia though convenient? Like Jock calls Trfel mafia, Trfel responds with "rayn is probably mafia but no reasoning here". Jock "forgot Eywa" and that makes him drop the scumread on Trfel and then he starts yelling "rayn is mafia!!!" Are you fucking blind to not see what's going on here?
Ahh you don't know how to read it makes sense now.
All that stuff where I forgot eywa literally ONLY makes sense if I forgot about eywa.
Engage your brain, you're gonna have to make stuff up much more accurately than this.
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So I've got:
trfel + es
vs
rayn + pandain
at the moment, right?
IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD COULD I HAVE POSTED THIS IF I HADNT FORGOTTEN ABOUT EYWA?
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But i guess forgetting about eywa was a mistake, and I would fully expect rayn to spot any mistakes like that if he's going through my filter desperately looking for stuff that he can twist into a mafia motivation.
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i dont negotiate with terrorists. if that gets me lynched so be it but i done with your bullshit jock.
it's now up to pandain and trfel pretty much, i have solved the game gg.
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On July 05 2019 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i dont negotiate with terrorists. if that gets me lynched so be it but i done with your bullshit jock.
it's now up to pandain and trfel pretty much, i have solved the game gg.
Excellent!
Nice of you not to answer any questions and just come here with a case, thne leave with your fingers in your ears.
I guess its easier not to answer stuff when the only answers available are incriminating.
It should be obvious to anyone reading that case that the entire thing is bullshit. Even if there's factual mistakes in any of the stuff I've written - I can make those mistakes because I'm at least trying to figure things out.
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On July 05 2019 22:27 Jockmcplop wrote:IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD COULD I HAVE POSTED THIS IF I HADNT FORGOTTEN ABOUT EYWA?
Still no answer to this??
Still not negotiating rayn???????
That way you can make posts that are completely wrong and never have to admit it.
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On July 05 2019 22:03 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +
That's just simply untrue. I did what i had the time to do. The ONLY "case" ever against Conversion that was posted in the thread was Grackaroni's and i heavily opposed the case and in my opinion debunked it. Because noone (even Grack) told me why me telling why the case doesn't make Conversion is mafia is wrong, i simply figured that i am to be believed here. Everyone else's "case" was basically that "conv is bleh" and that's not a fucking case, that's bull-fucking-shit. Holyflare was already arguing on ES, i was focusing on debunking the only "real" argument on Conv and i felt like i succeeded since noone opposed what i was saying. Another thing, i don't read the voting thread. I go there to vote. i simply had no time to do anything because i knew pandain and jock were voting for conversion, but because noone except for me posts their votes into teh game thread also i simply had no idea grack is going to vote, and even if he was it's not gonna be conv lynched over ES as it's 4-4. I think you're being very fucking hypocrite here Trfel since i didn't really need to do anything unless you came to the thread and said "i am going to vote for conversion". But no, you decided to ninja and then have the guts to come tell me RAYN DID EVERYTHING WRONG. ffs, you're making me really angry right now.
This is one of the most bullshit explanations for any behaviour that I have ever read.... He was too fucking distracted at end of day to bother looking at the vote thread for what the vote count was?? FUCKING PLEASE rayn we aren't morons. You couldn't give a shit who was getting lynched on day 1 because it was between 3 townies. Otherwise you might have actually done something. You expect us to believe that you don't read the vote thread. Someone who's getting as angry as you are about this game doesn't bother to open the vote thread at end of day to see who's voting for who? Do you give a shit about the game or not rayn? I think the most likely explanation is that you were mafia.
DOn't wanna talk about any of this either rayn??
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Jock, I think you should take it easy. You're being anti-town now.
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On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
So I've got:
trfel + es
vs
rayn + pandain
at the moment, right?
Look guys, let's assume jock really forgot about eywa. Okay this makes sense but the he says:
On July 05 2019 15:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn, pandain read that above, surely you agree?
I could go with you on ES next day but trfel is 100% mafia
Pandain is confirmed vigilante aka confirmed town so he writes off pandain + rayn.
The only possible combo for him here is Trfel + ES but [u][i]Trfel is 100% mafia and ES is NOT 100% mafia?!?!?!?!?!
If jock really forgot about eywa and is telling the truth in his first post then BOTH of Trfel and ES are ALWAYS 100% mafia. So jock is lying 100% of the time here. Al-fucking-ways.
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(1) That's just simply untrue. IT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE!!! Any single person who goes read my filter can tell this is bullshit because i did a LOT more than "just 72 hours of going on and on about ES's grack read". Even talking JUST about my read on ES this is untrue. Does anyone in the game feel like i haven''t been trying to question their motives, no... NEVER question their motives for their posts???? If you answered "no" Jock is making shit up, if you answered "yes" you're making shit up. And that's a fucking fact even if i was mafia in this game.
Bullshit.
Yeah you might haev taken the odd slight detour to talk to other people but you NEVER followed up on any of that shit and always went straight back to arguing with ES. You shit up the thread for 3 days with that.
(2) Here's what happened: We were lynching ES my scumread, Pandain started being retarded and five people yoloed on Conversion, my town read, from Eversince, my scumread without a fucking case. Noone has EVER in this game said WHY my case on ES is bad, why HF's case is bad, why Conversion's points are bad, why Eywas points are bad. Everyone who is not amongts this group of people has just fucking ignored everything we have been saying and lived in a happy-la-la-land because happy ES and 4 year old meta. Like fuck you all. Why the fuck should i EVER reconsider my reads at the start of D2 because all of you who weren't on ES did mafia things all fucking D1 even if Eversince is town?!?!?!?!?!?!
Funnily enough somehow i should reconsider my reads when Conversion turned up town, Grackaroni turned up town, Holyflare turned up town. Correct me if i am wrong but HE SHOULD BE THE ONE thinking "hmm maybe i am wrong because my reads were really bad" and not me, because there is no reason for me to think my reads are wrong (aside from grack obvs, but that doesnt matter here). Like he just decided a person he is calling mafia and then trying to make evidence to fit his read.
Your case on ES is bad because it relies on a single read that YOU misinterpreted.
Why should you reconsider your reads at the start of day 2? Because shit has happened and it changes the game. You haven't even bothered to work out what the possible consequences were of the night kills you just went straight in with an ES vote and getting pandain to vote ES (and tried to get eywa to) without even thinking.
That's because none of the night kills affect you or your strategy in the slightest because mafia doesn't care about that. Mafia doesn't care what the game now looks like to the people playing it, only town would give a shit about that stuff.
The green part is already wrong because i did a lot fucking more than just push ES, btu still, there was NEVER EVER during D1 a situation where EITHER me or Eywa was going to get lynched. I don't give any shits about how "unclear" the voting was but the explanation in the red part makes abolutely no sense as town because the justification for the read is wrong. If me and eywa were mafia we wouldn't have been needing to do anything all fucking game but in Jock's mind we ONLY "stopped doing stuff" after wagons ES/Grack turned into ES/(Grack)/Conversion. Can you see how retarded the conclusion here is? Like THAT'S why me and Eywa are mafia?!?!?!!?!
Meh. You didn't try and affect the vote at the end of day 1 at all. You could have but you didn't. If you were town and thought ES and one of conv/grack or even just one of all three was mafia YOU WOULD HAVE TRIED TO STOP THE SHENANIGANS!
Oh I forgot, rayn the super serious super angry mafia player doesn't read the vote thread lol\
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On July 05 2019 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
So I've got:
trfel + es
vs
rayn + pandain
at the moment, right?
Look guys, let's assume jock really forgot about eywa. Okay this makes sense but the he says: Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 15:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn, pandain read that above, surely you agree?
I could go with you on ES next day but trfel is 100% mafia Pandain is confirmed vigilante aka confirmed town so he writes off pandain + rayn. The only possible combo for him here is Trfel + ES but [u][i]Trfel is 100% mafia and ES is NOT 100% mafia?!?!?!?!?! If jock really forgot about eywa and is telling the truth in his first post then BOTH of Trfel and ES are ALWAYS 100% mafia. So jock is lying 100% of the time here. Al-fucking-ways.
This is correct. So is ES though, so let's just lynch her.
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On July 05 2019 22:43 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
So I've got:
trfel + es
vs
rayn + pandain
at the moment, right?
Look guys, let's assume jock really forgot about eywa. Okay this makes sense but the he says: On July 05 2019 15:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn, pandain read that above, surely you agree?
I could go with you on ES next day but trfel is 100% mafia Pandain is confirmed vigilante aka confirmed town so he writes off pandain + rayn. The only possible combo for him here is Trfel + ES but [u][i]Trfel is 100% mafia and ES is NOT 100% mafia?!?!?!?!?! If jock really forgot about eywa and is telling the truth in his first post then BOTH of Trfel and ES are ALWAYS 100% mafia. So jock is lying 100% of the time here. Al-fucking-ways. This is correct. So is ES though, so let's just lynch her.
I am.
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On July 05 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +(1) That's just simply untrue. IT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE!!! Any single person who goes read my filter can tell this is bullshit because i did a LOT more than "just 72 hours of going on and on about ES's grack read". Even talking JUST about my read on ES this is untrue. Does anyone in the game feel like i haven''t been trying to question their motives, no... NEVER question their motives for their posts???? If you answered "no" Jock is making shit up, if you answered "yes" you're making shit up. And that's a fucking fact even if i was mafia in this game. Bullshit. Yeah you might haev taken the odd slight detour to talk to other people but you NEVER followed up on any of that shit and always went straight back to arguing with ES. You shit up the thread for 3 days with that. Show nested quote +
(2) Here's what happened: We were lynching ES my scumread, Pandain started being retarded and five people yoloed on Conversion, my town read, from Eversince, my scumread without a fucking case. Noone has EVER in this game said WHY my case on ES is bad, why HF's case is bad, why Conversion's points are bad, why Eywas points are bad. Everyone who is not amongts this group of people has just fucking ignored everything we have been saying and lived in a happy-la-la-land because happy ES and 4 year old meta. Like fuck you all. Why the fuck should i EVER reconsider my reads at the start of D2 because all of you who weren't on ES did mafia things all fucking D1 even if Eversince is town?!?!?!?!?!?!
Funnily enough somehow i should reconsider my reads when Conversion turned up town, Grackaroni turned up town, Holyflare turned up town. Correct me if i am wrong but HE SHOULD BE THE ONE thinking "hmm maybe i am wrong because my reads were really bad" and not me, because there is no reason for me to think my reads are wrong (aside from grack obvs, but that doesnt matter here). Like he just decided a person he is calling mafia and then trying to make evidence to fit his read.
Your case on ES is bad because it relies on a single read that YOU misinterpreted. Why should you reconsider your reads at the start of day 2? Because shit has happened and it changes the game. You haven't even bothered to work out what the possible consequences were of the night kills you just went straight in with an ES vote and getting pandain to vote ES (and tried to get eywa to) without even thinking. That's because none of the night kills affect you or your strategy in the slightest because mafia doesn't care about that. Mafia doesn't care what the game now looks like to the people playing it, only town would give a shit about that stuff. Show nested quote +The green part is already wrong because i did a lot fucking more than just push ES, btu still, there was NEVER EVER during D1 a situation where EITHER me or Eywa was going to get lynched. I don't give any shits about how "unclear" the voting was but the explanation in the red part makes abolutely no sense as town because the justification for the read is wrong. If me and eywa were mafia we wouldn't have been needing to do anything all fucking game but in Jock's mind we ONLY "stopped doing stuff" after wagons ES/Grack turned into ES/(Grack)/Conversion. Can you see how retarded the conclusion here is? Like THAT'S why me and Eywa are mafia?!?!?!!?! Meh. You didn't try and affect the vote at the end of day 1 at all. You could have but you didn't. If you were town and thought ES and one of conv/grack or even just one of all three was mafia YOU WOULD HAVE TRIED TO STOP THE SHENANIGANS! Oh I forgot, rayn the super serious super angry mafia player doesn't read the vote thread lol\
I literally expalined all this in the post Jock is quoting.......
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Like fucking literally i explained EVERY point he makes as follow up in my post.
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the only thing that even makes any sense here is "Your case on ES is bad because it relies on a single read that YOU misinterpreted." which is (1) a misconstruction of what i said because i never misinterpreted anything and (2) it doesn't make me mafia even if i was wrong here.
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