• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:21
CEST 21:21
KST 04:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up2PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition245.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)108$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 152Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada11
StarCraft 2
General
WoL: how does "advanced construction" work? 5.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version) Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition ZvT - Army Composition - Slow Lings + Fast Banes
Tourneys
$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 15 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Tenacious Turtle Tussle Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive
Brood War
General
Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game BW General Discussion RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art Proposed Glossary of Strategic Uncertainty Current Meta 9 hatch vs 10 hatch vs 12 hatch
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
[AI] From Comfort Women to …
Peanutsc
Mental Health In Esports: Wo…
TrAiDoS
Try to reverse getting fired …
Garnet
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1691 users

[M][N]MiniFeast 1.5

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 13 14 15 Next All
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
June 28 2019 05:48 GMT
#5
/in
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
June 29 2019 09:09 GMT
#25
Where's grack???
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 01 2019 07:33 GMT
#40
Wait have people started getting PMs to confirm?
I haven't had one
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 01 2019 08:23 GMT
#43
On July 01 2019 16:58 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2019 15:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm starting it next deadline then confirm if you want but if you signed up for round 2 and don't check i'll be pissed


Show nested quote +
On July 01 2019 16:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wait have people started getting PMs to confirm?
I haven't had one


I don't think he sent out confirm PMs, but that clear statement when he plans to start the game. So people should just confirm.


Okydoky!

/confirm
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:19 GMT
#148
Hi everyone.

Had a quick read.

I don't really know what the big rush to townread people after just a few posts is for.

ES would you have townread you off the first page or two here? There's nothing there that couldn't reasonably be expected of either mafia or town surely. I don't really know what trfel is trying to achieve.

Looks to me like if you try real hard to get a townread in the first couple of pages it could well throw all your reads off for the whole game, no?

Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.


RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:27 GMT
#155
On July 02 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote:

Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.



my perspective changed



Should read
On July 02 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote:

Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.



my perspective changed.

twice.




There's nothing I can really say to that then is there?
Conversation over.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:28 GMT
#157
On July 02 2019 16:26 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:20 Holyflare wrote:
On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?

Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh.
I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try...

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread.

In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.


Do you feel like this applies to you this game trfel?
No, I don't.

@Jockmcplop, my townread on Eversince achieved exactly what it was supposed to.


Do you still townread ES?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:30 GMT
#159
On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote:
I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash.


Lynching lurkers isn't always trash.
I personally don't see the rush to figure out a vote right now. I guess we all play differently but I'd rather wait until near the deadline to gather as much as possible first.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:38 GMT
#164
On July 02 2019 16:33 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote:
I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash.


Lynching lurkers isn't always trash.
I personally don't see the rush to figure out a vote right now. I guess we all play differently but I'd rather wait until near the deadline to gather as much as possible first.


Usually I do too. Which might happen again but I'll need to go back to sleep sometime tonight. I don't want to wake up tomorrow with 10-15 extra pages to try to read with 15 minutes, decide and make a vote. I'd rather talk while people are about.


Fair enough.
What do you think of Pandain?
Immediately reversing his only read is a little suspicious and 'I changed my perspective' is a very opaque answer as to what happened. It kinda it makes it impossible to progress a conversation about what exactly pandain is thinking. Not being open about your thought process is mafia motivated at this point, especially when something like his trfel read debacle sticks out so obviously in the thread.

His vote on you also seems like he's forcing something, trying to be first to vote for some reason.
I can see mafia motivation everywhere with this guy already.

##vote pandain
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:42 GMT
#165
On July 02 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote:

Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.



my perspective changed


This is a really terrible answer tbh.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:46 GMT
#167
I know I said I didn't need to vote early, but this really jumped out at me. Pandain come back and be more town for me, I don't like having such a strong scumread so early lol.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:48 GMT
#168
On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote:
Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here?



Fair enough, I'll do it for you.

Does anyone else here see what I'm getting at with Pandain?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 07:55 GMT
#170
On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote: But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here?



Here's exactly what I'm thinking with this.
Pandain had a read of trfel which he immediately went back on. This suggests that he isn't very confident in his early reads and specifically doesn't really expect to make a read early and stick to it.

That's NAI on its own, although its a little odd so early in the game.

When added to that, the fact that he has a kinda weak, tangential scum read on you and immediately uses it as reason to vote, while leaving the thread so his vote does literally nothing, is really weird. Its like he wanted to have a scum read and make sure we all knew what it was, but is not really trying to progress the game.

If he's not trying to start a wagon, and he didn't stay here and question you or even vaguely try and poke for answers, what was the purpose behind voting for you?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 08:00 GMT
#172
On July 02 2019 16:55 Jockmcplop wrote:

If he's not trying to start a wagon, and he didn't stay here and question you or even vaguely try and poke for answers, what was the purpose behind voting for you?


Pandain if you're reading this is a question I'd like an answer to please...
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 08:28 GMT
#181
On July 02 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
You seem the same as last game tone wise but your content is completely lacking. You've essentially defended pretty much everyone when they were called mafia saying "Where's their agenda?" which I don't like at all sooo at the moment you're quite low down on my scum list.

Trfel seems like a robot. I like all his content but absolutely feel like he's playing how he says he plays as mafia (although he seems to not agree (shocking)).

Jock looks fine.

Rayn is here I guess.

Grack/conversion obviously look mediocre.

Nothing really unique to add. Disappointed nobody even quoted my pandain post, I thought it was quite good.


I didn't quote your pandain post, but i did take notice of it and it prompted me to have a closer look at him, hence my posting since.

On July 02 2019 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
I don't like Pandain deciding to town read trfel, hearing trfel say his read wasn't that strong but THEN saying "I don't think trfel would make such a strong town read as mafia because that ties his hands."

Feels like you ignored everything trfel was saying. Don't hate the picking up on grack and conversion later but the trfel thing, especially downgrading your read after for something not relevant at all (the bolded thing you highlighted) looks like you're just winging your read and aren't thinking it through.


That surely applies to his scum read of ES too, right?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 08:44 GMT
#185
On July 02 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 02 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
You seem the same as last game tone wise but your content is completely lacking. You've essentially defended pretty much everyone when they were called mafia saying "Where's their agenda?" which I don't like at all sooo at the moment you're quite low down on my scum list.

Trfel seems like a robot. I like all his content but absolutely feel like he's playing how he says he plays as mafia (although he seems to not agree (shocking)).

Jock looks fine.

Rayn is here I guess.

Grack/conversion obviously look mediocre.

Nothing really unique to add. Disappointed nobody even quoted my pandain post, I thought it was quite good.


I didn't quote your pandain post, but i did take notice of it and it prompted me to have a closer look at him, hence my posting since.

On July 02 2019 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
I don't like Pandain deciding to town read trfel, hearing trfel say his read wasn't that strong but THEN saying "I don't think trfel would make such a strong town read as mafia because that ties his hands."

Feels like you ignored everything trfel was saying. Don't hate the picking up on grack and conversion later but the trfel thing, especially downgrading your read after for something not relevant at all (the bolded thing you highlighted) looks like you're just winging your read and aren't thinking it through.


That surely applies to his scum read of ES too, right?


No idea what his es read is lol. Null read or something?


Here:

On July 02 2019 14:57 Pandain wrote:
I'm voting ES. Her posts seem kind of fake and I don't know how she can seriously believe she "deserves" a town read this early in the take when absolutely nothing has happened.


Then he voted ES.

That's what I mean, it seems so half-arsed.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 09:19 GMT
#191
On July 02 2019 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with pandain is that i have no idea how he makes some of his conclusions. Like i get how he gets there but i am not fan of the "certainty" of the conclusion. Like an exaggerated comparison would be if someone said "thos guy did this null thing and ot makea him town". Pretty much the same thing i scumread shapelog for last game. I will elaborate better when i am off work. At first glance hf's post on him sounded fine too.

Like based on what pandain said on trfel and es, why cannot they be mafia together?


Interesting.

In Tropical Storm mafia, trfel gives rsoultin an early townread based on the fact that her posting was 'relaxed'.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/491681-tropical-storm-mini-mafia?user=Trfel

On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote:
I know this sounds really stupid, but...

Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.

I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T



They were both mafia.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 09:34 GMT
#196
Conversion what do you think of #191?
Its a bit startling to me the absolute similarity in what trfel has done in those two games so early on, down to the wording. Can we solve the whole game from one post?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 09:41 GMT
#200
On July 02 2019 18:37 Eversince wrote:
Ok. I read through his filter from that game real fast. Posting style seems very different from here.


I can see why you wouldn't agree with me given that the conclusion you would draw from post is that both you and trfel are mafia....

I'll keep in mind what you said about it as other people respond to me though.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9704 Posts
July 02 2019 09:46 GMT
#202
On July 02 2019 18:40 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 18:34 Jockmcplop wrote:
Conversion what do you think of #191?
Its a bit startling to me the absolute similarity in what trfel has done in those two games so early on, down to the wording. Can we solve the whole game from one post?


I personally don’t like meta checks so early.


Me neither and yet here I am making one lol.

I wouldn't normally even bother, and definitely wouldn't post it, but this one is a bit 'on the nose' to be ignored.

On July 02 2019 18:40 Conversion wrote:
I kinda want to lynch Grack atm


So far it looks to me like grack just being grack.
RIP Meatloaf <3
1 2 3 4 5 13 14 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 762
ProTech75
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 27105
Bisu 6597
Shuttle 2671
Soma 900
Light 864
Larva 856
hero 649
Soulkey 632
Snow 343
Rush 166
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 154
sorry 81
Backho 61
Terrorterran 6
Dota 2
Dendi1389
capcasts98
PGG 1
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps736
ScreaM527
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu527
Other Games
Grubby2284
fl0m1736
FrodaN1699
Beastyqt671
B2W.Neo545
C9.Mang0134
UpATreeSC68
QueenE63
Mew2King57
ToD56
Trikslyr49
Livibee44
ZombieGrub26
MindelVK15
JuggernautJason13
Chillindude8
Codebar2
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 45
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 8
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 36
• Michael_bg 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2221
League of Legends
• Nemesis5479
• TFBlade893
Other Games
• imaqtpie866
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
4h 39m
Map Test Tournament
15h 39m
OSC
20h 39m
MaNa vs Harstem
ByuN vs TBD
HiGhDrA vs NightPhoenix
Iba vs Ziomek
TriGGeR vs MindelVK
Lemon vs TBD
YoungYakov vs PAPI
ArT vs sebesdes
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 3h
The PondCast
1d 14h
Map Test Tournament
1d 15h
OSC
1d 20h
Map Test Tournament
2 days
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Map Test Tournament
3 days
OSC
3 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
Safe House 2
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Map Test Tournament
4 days
OSC
4 days
IPSL
4 days
dxtr13 vs Napoleon
Doodle vs OldBoy
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Team Wars
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Acropolis #4 - TS2
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
WardiTV TLMC #15
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
Frag Blocktober 2025
Urban Riga Open #1
FERJEE Rush 2025
Birch Cup 2025
DraculaN #2
LanDaLan #3
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.