raynpelikoneetOn July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack might be town.
Why does raynpelikoneet say this? This is post 94, what did Grackaroni say by this point?
On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.
I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
This is Grackaroni's only post of substance. And to be honest Grackaroni doesn't actually say anything at all. So what was this read about again?
On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?

Again, a random townread. What had Conversion posted by this point?
On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia
AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?
Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread

I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?
too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred
also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late
Just one thought really. At least it had some actual conclusion this time. But it seems to be a weird trend of easily giving out townreads for seemingly really weak reasons.
On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not.
Gonna store this right here, and see how raynpelikoneet follows up on it.
On July 02 2019 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well jock is town.
More random townreads... Feels like a little bit of buddying?
On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah conversion easily town this game.
This is post 217. What did Conversion post in the meantime?
On July 02 2019 18:30 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?

yes I will hereby be referenced as raynversion
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not. I am interested in why Pandain apparently thinks the same as i do about ES' play so far yet he somehow reads you town for just making a read (not even agreeing with it) he wouldn't even ever make in the first place (i assume that meant as town unless he wants to call himself mafia straight up).
good post
On July 02 2019 18:31 Conversion wrote:
eversince has 4 pages of nothing from her filter. I guess she wants to lynch me for being mediocre, but wants to give a free pass to Grack cuz “meta”?
On July 02 2019 20:55 Conversion wrote:I mean a lot of your points are just "meh let's see what people do in the day, I quite don't like certain things they are saying," except Trfel who you have a soul town read on for some reason, and me who you think is scum even if I'm back and actually saying things in the thread
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote:
I don't like Pandain's weird Truffle town read. It would be fine but putting Truffles town and me null at that early was just weird. I get why he says I'd be 'forced' to be active but at least I'm trying. I'm very obvious to just ask if you want me to explain anything. So giving Truffles a town read and nulling me when I am around is just.. off.
Conversion entrance seemed bleh. But I see what he was saying now. Using 4 year meta read is kind of bad. But sadly, I don't play as much anymore. Conv pointing it out, giving a decent reason for it, not commenting on the rest of game.. That seems questionable to me. There wasn't much content (still not) but I'll decide on that when I see how he actually plays!
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 13:20 Eversince wrote:
To clarify Pandain problem: If you give Truffles town read there and someone your not sure about is known to be active, why not just try to get a better read on them? The fact he didn't bother to interact is bigger issue to me I think.
I don't want to spend all of day 1 tunneled on Pandain though. What are your thoughts?
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 13:26 Eversince wrote:
I think Grack is just being usual Grack again.
Rayn finding it weird Truffles would read me t!ES is fine for prior reasons. I think they are wrong though.
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote:
Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here?
I also find it quite suspicious that you're overly defending Grack's play in that he'll come in later and play the game (and basically writing him off your d1 lynch list), but you're applying the opposite logic on me and calling me scum for it.
On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote:
in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you.
On July 02 2019 22:59 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote:
in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you.
can you elaborate more on this?
sure. I normally find it a very town thing when people consider their options but try to realign their focus onto one person. I think the problem (aside from the fact that I find her filter rather rigid and weird to begin with) lies in the fact that she's commending herself for not tunneling on certain people (like she did last game), throwing out a bunch of lukewarm reads, and then sort of just hard-defending her stance out of nowhere.
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 03:49 Eversince wrote:
Ack! I don't want to fight with you this whole game Pand again. I'm go with my instincts! Don't claim scum or I'm be super tunneled again.
She doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, trying to refocus her game.
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 11:31 Eversince wrote:
Yeah ok.
Pandain giving Truffles a townread and saying I didn't do anything is just trash! But at least he asnwer me.
Conversion is fine for doubting it. He's not dirving an agenda but just doesn't believe, that's ok I think.
Truffles is so town it hurts! Why are you guys skeptical on him?
I'll be here! who wants to talk?
reads Pandain and me, that's fine
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote:
I don't like Pandain's weird Truffle town read. It would be fine but putting Truffles town and me null at that early was just weird. I get why he says I'd be 'forced' to be active but at least I'm trying. I'm very obvious to just ask if you want me to explain anything. So giving Truffles a town read and nulling me when I am around is just.. off.
Conversion entrance seemed bleh. But I see what he was saying now. Using 4 year meta read is kind of bad. But sadly, I don't play as much anymore. Conv pointing it out, giving a decent reason for it, not commenting on the rest of game.. That seems questionable to me. There wasn't much content (still not) but I'll decide on that when I see how he actually plays!
Doesn't like Pandain, she's seeing a good thing in my call out, sort of posturing to be like "Wow Conversion is so mafia it hurts" here
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 13:25 Eversince wrote:
Actually thinking on that Conversion is really kind of bleh. Maby it's time issue. Coming in, throwing an easy valid point, and fucking right back off is scary to me.
The switch happens here
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote:
Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here?
Again, another shot at Pandain.
Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 17:33 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
You seem the same as last game tone wise but your content is completely lacking. You've essentially defended pretty much everyone when they were called mafia saying "Where's their agenda?" which I don't like at all sooo at the moment you're quite low down on my scum list.
Trfel seems like a robot. I like all his content but absolutely feel like he's playing how he says he plays as mafia (although he seems to not agree (shocking)).
Jock looks fine.
Rayn is here I guess.
Grack/conversion obviously look mediocre.
Nothing really unique to add. Disappointed nobody even quoted my pandain post, I thought it was quite good.
I'm trying to get people talking with agenda stuff. I want people to explain thoughts. Sad that makes me scum

!
I like Truffles posting a lot, so care to talk on that? I have a heavy town read on him right now.
I'm actively trying not to focus on Pand before repeat of last game happens

!
Now she's trying to do this "I'm so town" post here which really bothers me. Why does it matter if she's trying to get people to talk about agenda. Why does it matter that people talk about her town read? It's her town read, why should she care about it? She also reiterates that she's trying not to focus on Pandain, but she kind of spent posts thinking about Pandain.
I just find it weird when someone is that self-aware as their play when they are town, but the only
real conclusion they have is that they want to lynch me because I made a couple of posts and fucked off.
Really seems to be the reason that Conversion is so town is for his push onto Eversince. I think it's weird that raynpelikoneet townread Conversion so hard for this when many other people struggled to get much of a read on Conversion at all (clearly all the townies on the Conversion wagon, of which there are at least three, plus Holyflare, who said Conversion was bleh). I may revisit Conversion's read later to really dive into raynpelikoneet's play.
On July 02 2019 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You, Jock, need to remember omgus isn't actually omgus if you have reasons for why the other person's shit is shit. I haven't seen you use omgus out of context but i have seen it many many times. Just because someone called you mafia doesn't make it invalid to make a case on them based on them calling you mafia (since mafia will anyways call townies mafia based on bs reasoning).
Do you think ES is town? Why?
Defending Conversion and softpushing Eversince...
On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now.
What? Where did this come from? Post 295, Grackaroni posts of substance:
On July 03 2019 01:33 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think ES' m!Grack post is a good thing to push. I think she just has a lot of meta ideas about me and thinks that I won't be a good day 1 lynch. She says a few times that she would lynch me if I don't start contributing, so I don't think she intended for her post to read the way that you are reading it.
On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.
Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
Put these quotes in the wrong order, but oh well. Second quote first. It's a fair point that Grackaroni makes, when I eventually saw it I addressed it, but not awful thinking I suppose, at least it's original. But even raynpelikoneet himself was questioning this point, see here:
On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.
On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
can you expand on this?
He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.
In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.
but last game you did that as town in his mind right?
So then it's got to be mainly the first post, right after which raynpelikoneet posted about Grackaroni being town, so that makes sense. And that post is.... (drumroll) resisting raynpelikoneet's push on Eversince? Fair enough, that was where raynpelikoneet was going at the time. But then does this change when he votes for Eversince and is convinced she is mafia just after?
On July 03 2019 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Pfff i gotta sleep.
ES so far best vote i dont buy her explanation.
Kill eywa rather sooner or later if that's the level she is willing to contribute on. either mafia or gonna lose game for town anyways because noone can clear her.
trfel/pandain. i dont care much tbh, if we lynch those four ppl we win every time.
so gn for tonight

Interesting post. Tracking raynpelikoneet's read on Eywa- is probably a really interesting task... for another time (I'm sleepy) (second note, decided I will look into this tonight after all: calls Eywa- mafia in 374, lets Eywa- "off the hook" in 667). But this shows that he's not really thinking of Grackaroni being mafia, so at least there's the followup we were looking for previously. Note that he later transitions to "letting Eywa off the hook," would be worth looking at exactly how that happened.
On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.
Finally raynpelikoneet explains his townread of Grackaroni. Now we can see how it matches with his earlier posts. What did we say earlier:
On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.
I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
Question: This is Grackaroni's only post of substance. And to be honest Grackaroni doesn't actually say anything at all. So what was this read about again?
Answer: Apparently raynpelikoneet liked the thought process of this post. Issue here is there wasn't much thought process, it was just "yeah, maybe, but it's old, maybe"
I'm too lazy to dig up the quote, but we concluded earlier that the main reason he upgraded this read was the push back on raynpelikoneet's own reason to suspect Eversince. Maybe that was a wrong conclusion, it must have been the other post? So the one on me (Trfel), where raynpelikoneet himself provided counterevidence for it. I don't really get this read.
Next thing of note is raynpelikoneet did absolutely nothing at End of Day. Nothing. He didn't defend his townread in Conversion, he only tried to be suspicious of Grackaroni, his other townread. He didn't tell people to switch off. He didn't show why Eversince was still mafia. Even Holyflare reacted more to what was happening than this. It really doesn't feel like he cares about who gets lynched between his townread and his scumread. Quite suspicious.
Then he starts scumreading Grackaroni, reasonable. Makes a long post on suspicions of Holyflare, but says he wants to lynch Eversince first and that Holyflare can't be mafia if Eversince is mafia and he's much more suspicious of Eversince. Could just be a coincidence.... could be that the rest of us were all starting to be suspicious of Holyflare at the time and raynpelikoneet didn't want to look off by not suspecting him and then night killing him.
Going into End of Night 1, raynpelikoneet posted reasons to scumread Grackaroni, and repeatedly said that Eversince and Grackaroni were his scumreads. So why does he get so mad at the vigilante, Pandain, for shooting Grackaroni instead of Eversince? Even Holyflare was saying that Grackaroni was a better lynch than Eversince and raynpelikoneet had no comment. It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here, Eversince can still be lynched, one of his highly scumread targets who was likely to die anyway got taken out, raynpelikoneet shouldn't be mad if he is town.
And that's the end of the filter. Wow, tired. Gonna condense it and see what we ended up with.