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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 07:05 GMT
#1282
On July 05 2019 16:02 Eversince wrote:
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On July 04 2019 04:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
conversion (5) pandain jockmcplop Grackaroni eversince trfel
eversince (4) Raynpelikoneet, Eywa-, Holyflare, conversion

Trfels vote has :29 timestamp based on tl servers
Conversion dies


Ok! found! I reread and I think you have a good point. To me it still doesn't make sense for both scum to park the same place but I'm re-evaluate.
If you're town, mafia doesn't really care what they do to be honest. In my opinion anyway.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 07:20 GMT
#1293
Trfel's Notes, Volume 1
+ Show Spoiler [Unimportant] +
raynpelikoneet

On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack might be town.
Why does raynpelikoneet say this? This is post 94, what did Grackaroni say by this point?
On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.

I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
This is Grackaroni's only post of substance. And to be honest Grackaroni doesn't actually say anything at all. So what was this read about again?
On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?
Again, a random townread. What had Conversion posted by this point?
On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:
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On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?


too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred

also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late

Just one thought really. At least it had some actual conclusion this time. But it seems to be a weird trend of easily giving out townreads for seemingly really weak reasons.
On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not.
Gonna store this right here, and see how raynpelikoneet follows up on it.
On July 02 2019 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well jock is town.
More random townreads... Feels like a little bit of buddying?
On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah conversion easily town this game.
This is post 217. What did Conversion post in the meantime?
On July 02 2019 18:30 Conversion wrote:
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On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?


yes I will hereby be referenced as raynversion

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On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not. I am interested in why Pandain apparently thinks the same as i do about ES' play so far yet he somehow reads you town for just making a read (not even agreeing with it) he wouldn't even ever make in the first place (i assume that meant as town unless he wants to call himself mafia straight up).


good post

On July 02 2019 18:31 Conversion wrote:
eversince has 4 pages of nothing from her filter. I guess she wants to lynch me for being mediocre, but wants to give a free pass to Grack cuz “meta”?
On July 02 2019 20:55 Conversion wrote:
I mean a lot of your points are just "meh let's see what people do in the day, I quite don't like certain things they are saying," except Trfel who you have a soul town read on for some reason, and me who you think is scum even if I'm back and actually saying things in the thread

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On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote:
I don't like Pandain's weird Truffle town read. It would be fine but putting Truffles town and me null at that early was just weird. I get why he says I'd be 'forced' to be active but at least I'm trying. I'm very obvious to just ask if you want me to explain anything. So giving Truffles a town read and nulling me when I am around is just.. off.

Conversion entrance seemed bleh. But I see what he was saying now. Using 4 year meta read is kind of bad. But sadly, I don't play as much anymore. Conv pointing it out, giving a decent reason for it, not commenting on the rest of game.. That seems questionable to me. There wasn't much content (still not) but I'll decide on that when I see how he actually plays!


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On July 02 2019 13:20 Eversince wrote:
To clarify Pandain problem: If you give Truffles town read there and someone your not sure about is known to be active, why not just try to get a better read on them? The fact he didn't bother to interact is bigger issue to me I think.

I don't want to spend all of day 1 tunneled on Pandain though. What are your thoughts?


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On July 02 2019 13:26 Eversince wrote:
I think Grack is just being usual Grack again.

Rayn finding it weird Truffles would read me t!ES is fine for prior reasons. I think they are wrong though.


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On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote:
Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here?



I also find it quite suspicious that you're overly defending Grack's play in that he'll come in later and play the game (and basically writing him off your d1 lynch list), but you're applying the opposite logic on me and calling me scum for it.
On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote:
in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you.
On July 02 2019 22:59 Conversion wrote:
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On July 02 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote:
in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you.

can you elaborate more on this?


sure. I normally find it a very town thing when people consider their options but try to realign their focus onto one person. I think the problem (aside from the fact that I find her filter rather rigid and weird to begin with) lies in the fact that she's commending herself for not tunneling on certain people (like she did last game), throwing out a bunch of lukewarm reads, and then sort of just hard-defending her stance out of nowhere.

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On July 02 2019 03:49 Eversince wrote:
Ack! I don't want to fight with you this whole game Pand again. I'm go with my instincts! Don't claim scum or I'm be super tunneled again.


She doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, trying to refocus her game.

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On July 02 2019 11:31 Eversince wrote:
Yeah ok.

Pandain giving Truffles a townread and saying I didn't do anything is just trash! But at least he asnwer me.
Conversion is fine for doubting it. He's not dirving an agenda but just doesn't believe, that's ok I think.
Truffles is so town it hurts! Why are you guys skeptical on him?

I'll be here! who wants to talk?


reads Pandain and me, that's fine

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On July 02 2019 13:16 Eversince wrote:
I don't like Pandain's weird Truffle town read. It would be fine but putting Truffles town and me null at that early was just weird. I get why he says I'd be 'forced' to be active but at least I'm trying. I'm very obvious to just ask if you want me to explain anything. So giving Truffles a town read and nulling me when I am around is just.. off.

Conversion entrance seemed bleh. But I see what he was saying now. Using 4 year meta read is kind of bad. But sadly, I don't play as much anymore. Conv pointing it out, giving a decent reason for it, not commenting on the rest of game.. That seems questionable to me. There wasn't much content (still not) but I'll decide on that when I see how he actually plays!


Doesn't like Pandain, she's seeing a good thing in my call out, sort of posturing to be like "Wow Conversion is so mafia it hurts" here

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On July 02 2019 13:25 Eversince wrote:
Actually thinking on that Conversion is really kind of bleh. Maby it's time issue. Coming in, throwing an easy valid point, and fucking right back off is scary to me.


The switch happens here

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On July 02 2019 16:46 Eversince wrote:
Bleh Pand seems to me the same as last game. I don't understand his logic and I'm 'ok' with his reasons for Truffles/ES read now, it took me a long time to get there. I'm not vesting into Pand real hard because last game I spent the entire time thinking he was mafia, he turned up town. I think there could be mafia motivation behind the vote on me. I'll have to think on that. I'm real ditsy, easy to misunderstand, and don't pick up on people real fast. But it's not like he tried to start a wagon so where is mafia Pandain trying to take the easy shot here?



Again, another shot at Pandain.

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On July 02 2019 17:33 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
You seem the same as last game tone wise but your content is completely lacking. You've essentially defended pretty much everyone when they were called mafia saying "Where's their agenda?" which I don't like at all sooo at the moment you're quite low down on my scum list.

Trfel seems like a robot. I like all his content but absolutely feel like he's playing how he says he plays as mafia (although he seems to not agree (shocking)).

Jock looks fine.

Rayn is here I guess.

Grack/conversion obviously look mediocre.

Nothing really unique to add. Disappointed nobody even quoted my pandain post, I thought it was quite good.


I'm trying to get people talking with agenda stuff. I want people to explain thoughts. Sad that makes me scum !

I like Truffles posting a lot, so care to talk on that? I have a heavy town read on him right now.

I'm actively trying not to focus on Pand before repeat of last game happens !



Now she's trying to do this "I'm so town" post here which really bothers me. Why does it matter if she's trying to get people to talk about agenda. Why does it matter that people talk about her town read? It's her town read, why should she care about it? She also reiterates that she's trying not to focus on Pandain, but she kind of spent posts thinking about Pandain.

I just find it weird when someone is that self-aware as their play when they are town, but the only real conclusion they have is that they want to lynch me because I made a couple of posts and fucked off.
Really seems to be the reason that Conversion is so town is for his push onto Eversince. I think it's weird that raynpelikoneet townread Conversion so hard for this when many other people struggled to get much of a read on Conversion at all (clearly all the townies on the Conversion wagon, of which there are at least three, plus Holyflare, who said Conversion was bleh). I may revisit Conversion's read later to really dive into raynpelikoneet's play.
On July 02 2019 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You, Jock, need to remember omgus isn't actually omgus if you have reasons for why the other person's shit is shit. I haven't seen you use omgus out of context but i have seen it many many times. Just because someone called you mafia doesn't make it invalid to make a case on them based on them calling you mafia (since mafia will anyways call townies mafia based on bs reasoning).

Do you think ES is town? Why?
Defending Conversion and softpushing Eversince...
On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now.
What? Where did this come from? Post 295, Grackaroni posts of substance:
On July 03 2019 01:33 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think ES' m!Grack post is a good thing to push. I think she just has a lot of meta ideas about me and thinks that I won't be a good day 1 lynch. She says a few times that she would lynch me if I don't start contributing, so I don't think she intended for her post to read the way that you are reading it.
On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

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On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?

Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
Put these quotes in the wrong order, but oh well. Second quote first. It's a fair point that Grackaroni makes, when I eventually saw it I addressed it, but not awful thinking I suppose, at least it's original. But even raynpelikoneet himself was questioning this point, see here:
On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?

Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

can you expand on this?

He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.

but last game you did that as town in his mind right?
So then it's got to be mainly the first post, right after which raynpelikoneet posted about Grackaroni being town, so that makes sense. And that post is.... (drumroll) resisting raynpelikoneet's push on Eversince? Fair enough, that was where raynpelikoneet was going at the time. But then does this change when he votes for Eversince and is convinced she is mafia just after?

On July 03 2019 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pfff i gotta sleep.
ES so far best vote i dont buy her explanation.
Kill eywa rather sooner or later if that's the level she is willing to contribute on. either mafia or gonna lose game for town anyways because noone can clear her.
trfel/pandain. i dont care much tbh, if we lynch those four ppl we win every time.

so gn for tonight
Interesting post. Tracking raynpelikoneet's read on Eywa- is probably a really interesting task... for another time (I'm sleepy) (second note, decided I will look into this tonight after all: calls Eywa- mafia in 374, lets Eywa- "off the hook" in 667). But this shows that he's not really thinking of Grackaroni being mafia, so at least there's the followup we were looking for previously. Note that he later transitions to "letting Eywa off the hook," would be worth looking at exactly how that happened.
On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.
Finally raynpelikoneet explains his townread of Grackaroni. Now we can see how it matches with his earlier posts. What did we say earlier:

On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.

I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
Question: This is Grackaroni's only post of substance. And to be honest Grackaroni doesn't actually say anything at all. So what was this read about again?
Answer: Apparently raynpelikoneet liked the thought process of this post. Issue here is there wasn't much thought process, it was just "yeah, maybe, but it's old, maybe"

I'm too lazy to dig up the quote, but we concluded earlier that the main reason he upgraded this read was the push back on raynpelikoneet's own reason to suspect Eversince. Maybe that was a wrong conclusion, it must have been the other post? So the one on me (Trfel), where raynpelikoneet himself provided counterevidence for it. I don't really get this read.

Next thing of note is raynpelikoneet did absolutely nothing at End of Day. Nothing. He didn't defend his townread in Conversion, he only tried to be suspicious of Grackaroni, his other townread. He didn't tell people to switch off. He didn't show why Eversince was still mafia. Even Holyflare reacted more to what was happening than this. It really doesn't feel like he cares about who gets lynched between his townread and his scumread. Quite suspicious.

Then he starts scumreading Grackaroni, reasonable. Makes a long post on suspicions of Holyflare, but says he wants to lynch Eversince first and that Holyflare can't be mafia if Eversince is mafia and he's much more suspicious of Eversince. Could just be a coincidence.... could be that the rest of us were all starting to be suspicious of Holyflare at the time and raynpelikoneet didn't want to look off by not suspecting him and then night killing him.

Going into End of Night 1, raynpelikoneet posted reasons to scumread Grackaroni, and repeatedly said that Eversince and Grackaroni were his scumreads. So why does he get so mad at the vigilante, Pandain, for shooting Grackaroni instead of Eversince? Even Holyflare was saying that Grackaroni was a better lynch than Eversince and raynpelikoneet had no comment. It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here, Eversince can still be lynched, one of his highly scumread targets who was likely to die anyway got taken out, raynpelikoneet shouldn't be mad if he is town.

And that's the end of the filter. Wow, tired. Gonna condense it and see what we ended up with.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 07:31 GMT
#1299
On July 05 2019 16:26 Eversince wrote:
Rayn's push on me is real fishy.

I'm sorry Truffles I'll read your big post in a second..(I'm slow reader)
No worries, it's not necessarily meant to be read. I'm currently trying to organize my thoughts into something much more readable and meaningful.

Jockmcplop, why do you think me and raynpelikoneet being mafia together is unlikely? I'm sorry, I'm actually complete garbage at associative reads.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:08 GMT
#1308
raynpelikoneet
  • Easy townreads early on that don't make sense (Grackaroni, Conversion)
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Yeah yeah, I know, I'm one to talk, with my Eversince read and all. If that's really an issue for you let me know and I can explain it, I like to think we're all past that now though.

    On Grackaroni:
    On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Grack might be town.
    Raynpelikoneet's initial town lean on Grackaroni. And here is his explanation:
    On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that.
    And here is the post in question:
    On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
    Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.

    I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
    To me this doesn't show thought process at all, raynpelikoneet's explanation really doesn't make sense here. Grackaroni stated two extremely obvious points, and it took minimal effort, and could easily be done by mafia. He didn't even draw any conclusions from this.

    Later, raynpelikoneet posts a further townread of Grackaroni:
    On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    well i think grack officially goes to town pool now.
    Raynpelikoneet's reasons for this:
    On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense.
    Grackaroni's posts in question:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    Show nested quote +
    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
    On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

    can you expand on this?

    He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

    In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.
    However, raynpelikoneet himself even posted reasons to doubt this reasoning:
    On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

    can you expand on this?

    He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

    In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.

    but last game you did that as town in his mind right?
    In addition to the fact that it's easily explained. Grackaroni didn't even draw any conclusios from this, he just called it "very strange." To be honest, I don't see a ton of thought process or follow-up from Grackaroni in these posts, which is how raynpelikoneet characterized them. And I don't think most other players did either. So where did raynpelikoneet's townread come from? It feels like too much information, in this case, truly knowing that Grackaroni is town and letting that affect his read.
    On Conversion:
    Raynpelikoneet's first post implying a townread of Conversion:
    On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?
    Conversion's posts relevant to this:
    On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
    I'm mafia

    AMA
    Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
    Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

    I think Eversince is town, discuss?


    Why do you think I'm town?
    Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


    I don’t like this post. ick
    On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
    I'm mafia

    AMA
    Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
    Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

    I think Eversince is town, discuss?


    Why do you think I'm town?
    Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


    I don’t like this post. ick
    Care to say why?


    too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred

    also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late
    This is at least somewhat understandable, though really Conversion only shared one thought. Later, raynpelikoneet posts this:
    On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Yeah conversion easily town this game.
    You can look here for the specific posts, it's a little long; but for a brief summary, Conversion's posts in question are pushing onto Eversince. Seems to be a townread simply for also scumreading Eversince. You can look at this exchange yourself, it starts on page 11, I just really feel (again) like this is a weak townread that doesn't have justification to back it up.

  • Raynpelikoneet didn't care about the Day 1 lynch, between his townread and his scumread
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Honestly I think this is probably the strongest point I have. From raynpelikoneet's perspective, the lynch in the last eight minutes was his townread (Conversion) against his strong scumread (Eversince). Posts in the thread in the last eight minutes of Day 1, making it clear that shenanigans were incoming:
    On July 04 2019 04:24 Pandain wrote:
    I'm strongly for a Conv lynch (if Grack won't get lynched) just because I have town reads on everyone except Grack and him.

    Jock is way too active. Rayn is way too active. HF could be scum but seems townie.
    Trfel is playing like his town games. Eywa was really townie with his exhcnage with me.

    Who else wants to lynch Conv (or grack)
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
    Pandain switch to conversion with me
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Pandain wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
    Pandain switch to conversion with me


    I switched.

    Who else wants to join?
    On July 04 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:
    If ES and Trfel switch ES is saved
    Grack vote conv
    So raynpelikoneet was present, and if he was at all reading, knew that shenanigans were coming and that Conversion being lynched was at least a possiblity. During these last eight minutes, here are raynpelikoneet's posts:
    On July 04 2019 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
    On July 04 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
    On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:
    On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
    On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
    On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
    And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
    @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

    Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


    She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

    I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.


    That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player.

    that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.


    Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that.

    I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly.
    He's continuing to argue and explain himself. He's only minimally pushing Eversince here, he's not saying anything about Conversion, he's not getting upset, he seems very calm and relaxed. In fact, it doesn't feel like raynpelikoneet is invested or cares about the lynch at all.

    I know I made a similar point against Holyflare in my case on him, but that was a bad case. There the point was bad, because in that game Holyflare made several posts to Eversince, calling her mafia, in the same time window. The argument against Holyflare was that the posts were addressed to Eversince instead of the thread, which is weak. And even still Holyflare made a post to the threaad in response to the shenanigans:
    On July 04 2019 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:28 Pandain wrote:
    HF no idea why you're talking when you're never gonna change your mind in a million years


    Because I know you tools will do some stupid shit and she won't get lynched.
    Yet raynpelikoneet did none of this. He did not care about the lynch.

  • raynpelikoneet is mad at Pandain for shooting Grackaroni, a player who he highly scumread
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Through Night 1, raynpelikoneet believed that Eversince and Grackaroni were the two mafia. I will provide several quotes about this, for emphasis:
    On July 04 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
    Rayn what exactly are your reads actually?

    ES + Grackaroni mafia pretty much.
    On July 05 2019 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Aside from ES you should kill Grack. He made the post on me being mafia, i can understand you not agreeing with me here or even thinking it's a good post. Just read it again. It doesn't make sense i am sorry i can't explain it further. Then there is the post on Conversion i challenged at eod, the reasons he says conv is mafia for happened when he read conv town, middle point of the post is fluff that doesnt make anyone anything and the the rest is "rayn and conversion are mfia because other people i have better feelings on". Me + Conversion were his top town reads!!!!!! Who did what? He never goes into anything like who actually did something and what makes them town. He just throws out a narrative and sticks shit with it, conversion up to lynch and me to throw distrust on.

    Sorry if not clear, but that's what i think.
    On July 05 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Kill ES, kill Grack, profit.
    On July 05 2019 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Lynch ES, lynch Grack. If either of them are town then idk, maybe Pandain?
    I have a hard time seeing anyone else as mafia. Maybe maybe maybe Eywa but that reasoning i have at the back of my head is fucked up and you will have to figure out yourself. Eywa is not mafia though.
    And here is raynpelikoneet's reaction to End of Night 1, seeing Holyflare and Grackaroni flip town:
    On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    fuck you
    On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    vigi what`?
    On July 05 2019 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Why no shot on ES? Why in the hell?
    It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here. He was highly suspecting Grackaroni, he was going to lynch Grackaroni after Eversince anyway. One of his scumreads still died, objectively it wasn't a bad shot. Raynpelikoneet has no reason to be mad about this, as he can still go and lynch Eversince (his other scumread) and then find out who the last mafia (assuming Eversince is mafia) is, the vigilante shot didn't really change much of anything.

    Except raynpelikoneet is mad about it anyway. This doesn't make sense from what his perspective should be.
Conclusion: I think there is a decent chance raynpelikoneet is mafia. I still want to filter everyone else before I decide, but I think these are some solid reasons to be suspicious of raynpelikoneet.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:10 GMT
#1309
On July 05 2019 17:06 Eversince wrote:
Thread is slow I'm go play some Temple of the Elemental Evil, I'll be about for a little while longer! But I gotta enjoy my nights off somehow!
Sorry, building cases is hard work

Gonna take a break and get Eversince's filter after. That'll probably be all I do tonight, I'm worn out and need some sleep. I'll likely get to Jockmcplop and Eywa- tomorrow night.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:23 GMT
#1313
Honestly I'm just too tired to do any more tonight Which means I have a ton to do tomorrow night, but bleh. It wouldn't help much for me to keep going now anyway.

I'll likely still be up a little longer, just nothing too serious.

I really did feel like Eversince not knowing that Holyflare died at EoD suggests she is town. I would expect mafia to know that they killed Holyflare. But I really need to look closely at Eversince, especially since it's a million percent my fault if she is mafia and wins
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:28 GMT
#1315
I think and hope that when Pandain said he would afk for a day, he meant a 24 hour normal day, not the full mafia day. I'm hoping he comes back tomorrow.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 08:49 GMT
#1317
Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 09:02 GMT
#1320
On July 05 2019 17:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2019 17:49 Trfel wrote:
Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard


It must be rayn OR ES though, right?
One of these two is mafia.
Assuming both of us are town, yes. Unfortunately, and especially after you tore me to pieces as mafia, that's not an assumption I can safely make just yet
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 09:09 GMT
#1321
On July 05 2019 18:02 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2019 17:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 05 2019 17:49 Trfel wrote:
Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard


It must be rayn OR ES though, right?
One of these two is mafia.
Assuming both of us are town, yes. Unfortunately, and especially after you tore me to pieces as mafia, that's not an assumption I can safely make just yet
Took a quick glance at End of the World mafia. You're actually pretty similar to me in playstyle IMO, maybe I'm okay with you being town after all, at least for tonight. Which leaves raynpelikoneet and Eywa- as mafia by POE.

I hate POE, generally means I messed something up But I'm gonna go with this for now so I can actually get some rest tonight.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 09:34 GMT
#1323
On July 05 2019 18:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2019 18:02 Trfel wrote:
On July 05 2019 17:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 05 2019 17:49 Trfel wrote:
Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard


It must be rayn OR ES though, right?
One of these two is mafia.
Assuming both of us are town, yes. Unfortunately, and especially after you tore me to pieces as mafia, that's not an assumption I can safely make just yet



I'll go through my logic just to make sure we're on the same page....

from your POV trfel

either one of rayn or es has to be mafia unless the mafia team is me and eywa

I'm saying if eywa and I were the mafia team I would just lynch ES and the game is over as it is now.

Therefore mafia can't be me and eywa.

Therefore one of ES/rayn has to be mafia.

Unless you think its eywa/me and we are trying to prolong the game for some reason.
Huh, I'll admit I never would have thought of that. I'll have to think more, it's interesting but I'm really not used to thinking in that sort of way. Thanks for enlightening me, haha
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 05 2019 22:56 GMT
#1440
Honestly this kinda comes down to Pandain. If Pandain doesn't show up to change his vote I will be voting for Eversince at EoD or it's a free win for mafia, and there is a chance I am wrong.

I will keep thinking about it, I see raynpelikoneet's point about Jockmcplop seemingly having pre-determined that raynpelikoneet was mafia and trying to force things to fit that. I'm still leaning towards raynpelikoneet but I need to re-evaluate and again, it ultimately is up to Pandain.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 00:36 GMT
#1443
Eywa- and Eversince probably aren't mafia together because they've been pushing each other all game. Raynpelikoneet and Jockmcplop probably aren't mafia together because the double bus here would be completely unnecessary. Raynpelikoneet and Eversince probably aren't mafia together because raynpelikoneet has been pushing Eversince so long and she didn't give up. To be honest I could kinda see this one but probably not so I'll ignore it for now.

Leaves raynpelikoneet and Eywa-, Jockmcplop and Eywa-, and Jockmcplop and Eversince.

Makes me wonder if raynpelikoneet really is the best lynch today, everything else aside. Though if we are going to lynch him anyway part of me just wants to get it over with, no sense prolonging losing; but I need to think. And please correct me if any of the associative reads I made are wrong or weak.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 04:49 GMT
#1447
Hey all, it's evening US time so I can play again. Miss having Eversince and Holyflare to talk to

Skimmed through Eversince's filter, just to get a general impression. I was actually surprised by how much original content there was, admittedly much of it lately has been an OMGUS onto Eywa-. I want to look deeper at Eversince's reads and the reasoning behind them, but I still feel like Eversince just doesn't make sense as mafia. Staying active and positive and relaxed and fun for so long, constantly fighting the lynch, makes no sense. And not knowing it was MYLO, not knowing Holyflare died, etc. all suggest she is town.

More later.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 04:51 GMT
#1449
On July 06 2019 13:48 Eversince wrote:
I huff 90 miles on a bike in this heat, use old mail for a card, get a hotspot I can use, and this game is just going to be boring? My goodness. Lynch Rayn here or lynch me. Game is solved.
Oh hi!!

Boring? There's a lot going on, I'm stressed like crazy trying to figure out what to do.

When did you get so big on raynpelikoneet vs you, I thought you would still rather lynch Eywa- and wanted to filter raynpelikoneet? Thought you weren't sold he was mafia yet?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 05:04 GMT
#1451
On July 06 2019 13:55 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2019 13:51 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2019 13:48 Eversince wrote:
I huff 90 miles on a bike in this heat, use old mail for a card, get a hotspot I can use, and this game is just going to be boring? My goodness. Lynch Rayn here or lynch me. Game is solved.
Oh hi!!

Boring? There's a lot going on, I'm stressed like crazy trying to figure out what to do.

When did you get so big on raynpelikoneet vs you, I thought you would still rather lynch Eywa- and wanted to filter raynpelikoneet? Thought you weren't sold he was mafia yet?


I still think Eywa is scum for reasons I said before. The Jock/Rayn interaction makes no sense if they are a team. I think t!Jock here still makes sense and m!Rayn is pushing weak reasons. Eywa hard defending Rayn only makes sense if Eywa already knows it's between t!ES/ m!Rayn so leaving one of us alive will make people waffle the entire game and town loses.
Sorry I'll be a bit slow to reply, a bit distracted here. I assume you read the last several pages?

I know you just talked about it but could you elaborate on how you are so certain raynpelikoneet is mafia?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 05:24 GMT
#1457
Currently it's 4v2 I believe, no lynching would make it 3v2 LYLO. But that wouldn't really help since we have a confirmed townie (Pandain) who would die.

What is different about raynpelikoneet's interactions with Jockmcplop than his interactions with you previously? At a glance I found them rather similar?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 05:30 GMT
#1460
But I'm okay lynching between Eversince/raynpelikoneet. If it's Jockmcplop and Eywa- they can take the win, I don't think we'll be successful getting everyone to change targets. Plus if raynpelikoneet is town he's probably right about who mafia is, Jockmcplop is a strong player too.

I'm gonna read/relax for a bit then deep dive your filter and decide where to vote.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 05:33 GMT
#1463
On July 06 2019 14:29 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2019 14:24 Trfel wrote:
Currently it's 4v2 I believe, no lynching would make it 3v2 LYLO. But that wouldn't really help since we have a confirmed townie (Pandain) who would die.

What is different about raynpelikoneet's interactions with Jockmcplop than his interactions with you previously? At a glance I found them rather similar?


They are similar. It generated 2-3 pages of just spam without accomplishing anything. I'm still his lynch if he honestly felt m!Jock there why is it he ignores m!ES? I think it's more likely that m!Rayn here just knows t!ES is hated by everyone in thread (-you and Truffles) and will likely die. Easy win!

It is current 5-2..
Started 7v2, and we lost Conversion, Holyflare, and Grackaroni. 7-3=4v2?

Plus, who is left?
Eversince
Trfel
Jockmcplop
Eywa-
raynpelikoneet
Pandain

Six in total. Unless I am forgetting someone?

More importantly though, I thought you said earlier you felt that raynpelikoneet was still townie in pushing you? Why exactly did you think that, since you changed your mind by now evidently?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 05:35 GMT
#1464
On July 06 2019 14:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
Hi guys

Right now trfel you should switch your vote to rayn if you're not sure who's mafia. We're basically down to whatever pandain decides if he comes back. Either you give him two options or leave him no options. It depends on whether you are sure enough between ES and rayn to make that call yourself.
Okay. I'll keep looking at it and I'll check again tomorrow before the deadline but I do hope Pandain comes back. If Pandain does not return though do you agree it would be best to switch votes to Eversince anyway?

Sorry I was asleep last night when you mentioned voting, in my tiredness I thought about it but didn't follow through.
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