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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 28 2019 22:32 GMT
#15
/in?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 18:07 GMT
#56
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 18:11 GMT
#57
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 18:22 GMT
#60
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 18:33 GMT
#62
On July 02 2019 03:29 Eversince wrote:
Ok! I like Truffles to. I won't loose hotspot until Friday but I can't renew again for a while. So don't hate me if my activity falls to dumpster then!

Who else is about? I'm bored and can't sleep!
Who doesn't like truffles? They're so tasty and chocolate-y and wonderful I've been meaning to make my own truffles sometime.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 18:38 GMT
#64
On July 02 2019 03:35 Pandain wrote:
I have no thoughts on Eversince but I am giving Trfel an extremely strong townread. I think it's unlikely for mafia to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page)
Can I ask why you don't agree with my read on Eversince?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 18:58 GMT
#74
@Grackaroni, here is Eversince's filter from the game in question.

@Pandain, thanks for the explanation, I understand. What if I were to say that my townread on Eversince isn't completely rock-solid, but more of an average townread and posted to see how people react? What would you think then?

In truth it is a real townread but I know that while the met difference is significant, it's been a while since the mafia game in question so there is still some possibility Eversince could be mafia. Just unlikely IMO.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 21:54 GMT
#82
On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.

I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
So what would it take for you to trust my read on Eversince? Other than raynpelikoneet's agreement?

Pandain, thanks, that makes sense.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 22:38 GMT
#86
Posting frequency can be faked for sure, to me it's more the carefree nature of the posts that makes the read. It feels comfortable and fun, whereas in the mafia game, Eversince was all business and the posts felt very dry. That's the difference, call it a tone read if you want.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 22:43 GMT
#88
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 00:46 GMT
#93
On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?


too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred

also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late

I admit I don't really understand the first sentence, but the second sentence is a fair point I suppose. So what does that make you think about me?

Also, good to finally see a European with our Europe-friendly deadline xD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 00:56 GMT
#97
On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 03:35 Pandain wrote:
I have no thoughts on Eversince but I am giving Trfel an extremely strong townread. I think it's unlikely for mafia to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page)

So why are you towreading Trfel again?

I don't have a read on Eversince, i don't think she has said much anything gameplay related (at least up until p4 end). Something feels wrong in Trfel's read. Why couldn't you make the same read last game? I am not saying Eversince has played differently than she did last game this early on but i don't understand how Trfel can make the read now but not last game?

Grack might be town.
I didn't make the same read last game because I wanted to see what Eversince's play was like as town and more recently (if she played End of the World Mafia, sorry, I forgot). Having a recent town game and an old mafia game to make a meta read on is much stronger than only having an old mafia game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 01:37 GMT
#99
On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?

Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh.
I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try...

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread.

In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 02:51 GMT
#113
On July 02 2019 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will quote the relevant parts.
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:
Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously.

That's what i am getting at. I am not sure if i believe you can, or rather would make the red assumption given the green part, especially since you didn't make it at the start of last game.
Sorry, the red part is poorly worded, let me try again:

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. After the game I figured that her alignment (being town instead of mafia) was likely the biggest reason behind the posting style change, for the aforementioned reasons of why it's harder to replicate the carefree, involved, personal posting style as mafia. I know I've struggled with it and I'm not the only one who has.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 03:59 GMT
#116
Eversince, do you have anyone you are suspicious of at the moment? Even just slightly?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 04:33 GMT
#122
Yeah honestly I don't have many thoughts, kinda why I asked. That's a good point on Conversion, he barely stayed to talk at all.

@Pandain, I'm wondering, since Eversince has now (seemingly) given a fairly strong townread on me, how does that affect your read on Eversince?

I don't really like how Conversion and raynpelikoneet both threw suspicion at my posts about the townread but didn't draw any conclusions from it. Feels like an easy way to transition later into a scumread or back off from it, depending on how the game goes. That said it's also valid from a town perspective. I was kinda surprised raynpelikoneet backed off, I'm not used to him doing that, but he was a lot calmer last game and I think he knows that I do weird things when I'm town sometimes so it's fair. If I had to guess I'd guess Conversion for the best chance at mafia but I feel like I'm grasping at straws :/
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 04:38 GMT
#123
Does Grackaroni feel different to you? Last game he was posting gifs and nonsense, this game he's felt much more reserved and businesslike and even apologized for making a joke (at least I presume that's what that was, I admit I didn't quite understand it). It just feels like he's having a little less fun, and even while discussing the game, so far he's been the least committal of everyone in the thread.

Thoughts?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 04:51 GMT
#126
Yeah, fair enough. I guess I dunno what to think about much of anything haha
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 05:11 GMT
#128
On July 02 2019 13:52 Eversince wrote:
Well helps if people post !
Yeah, the lack of activity has been a little disappointing so far :/ maybe things will pick up as the Europeans wake up?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 07:18 GMT
#147
On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?

Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh.
I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try...

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread.

In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.


Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town.

Trfels, what do you think about the fact that ES's last mafia game was 4 years ago and she could be playing extremely differently than her previous game?

I know my first mafia game this year was completely different than how I used to play mafia back in 2013.
Sorry, but what does the bolded section have in relevance to this? It was poorly worded, but what it meant was "after Day 1 when Eversince was obviously town/endgame when alignments were revealed".

To answer your question, her mafia game is different from her town play in a way that is difficult to replicate. Some people, a lot of people really, have trouble posting as mafia and have trouble fitting in. As a result, their posts feel more dry and formal, and socially they are more withdrawn; they focus on reads and pushes without truly getting involved or engaging much. It's not as simple as posting more, it's learning to socially engage and interact in a meaningful and relaxed way as mafia, which is really hard to learn and is unlikely to randomly change, even over time (especially without practice). Am I making sense?
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