EPTI'm not voting you because of stuff you haven't posted.
I'm voting you because what you have posted looks scummy.
The laziness and lack of reads just gives me a starting point to look at your posting more closely.
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
I'm not voting you because of stuff you haven't posted. I'm voting you because what you have posted looks scummy. The laziness and lack of reads just gives me a starting point to look at your posting more closely. | ||
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Pandain
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
I don't like this line argument tbh. For a start, his vote was the fourth one on ES. You,rayn and eywa were all on ES when hf voted. to be fair though, you're right that he made his 'you're mafia' post before eywa and rayn vote so I concede that point. But otherwise, I don't like the idea that someone is acting scummy, but we give them a pass because they always act scummy. Long term that just doesn't work for me. | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
There was an early interaction between HF and Rayn that struck me as off, but I kind of came out of it thinking that Rayn was scum... Because they kind of amicably came to the same idea despite seemingly starting from different view points (this is when Rayn switches his vote off of ES, then back on. I don't agree with Pandain, I think ES being willing to only lynch me shows a lack of understanding of what town players are seeing in the game right now and I'm a pretty safe resting spot right now. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:08 Eywa- wrote: Jockmcplop, have you abandoned your confidence approach from last game? I'm trying not to but I can't help not being confident in my own reads when the reasons aren't convincing. There wasn't really anything in there that was very good imo until i got to hf. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 03 2019 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: ahhh shit i can see it now :D This was a vote change, somehow. | ||
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Eywa-
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:08 Eywa- wrote: Jockmcplop, have you abandoned your confidence approach from last game? There was an early interaction between HF and Rayn that struck me as off, but I kind of came out of it thinking that Rayn was scum... Because they kind of amicably came to the same idea despite seemingly starting from different view points (this is when Rayn switches his vote off of ES, then back on. I don't agree with Pandain, I think ES being willing to only lynch me shows a lack of understanding of what town players are seeing in the game right now and I'm a pretty safe resting spot right now. Why does mafia ES refuse to lynch a viable counterwagon on someone she has said she would be willing to lynch? If you can't explain this, you can't vote her. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 03 2019 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: oO why does she ever say that as mafia HF? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:09 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm trying not to but I can't help not being confident in my own reads when the reasons aren't convincing. There wasn't really anything in there that was very good imo until i got to hf. To expand on this, the read I was super confident on in the last game was kelsier and he turned out to be mafia, i had good reasons to think so too. You'll notice I flip flopped on my scumread of grack in the last game even though i was trying to be more confident and he ended up town. There's no point being over confident in a read that doesn't even convince me. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:12 Pandain wrote: Why does mafia ES refuse to lynch a viable counterwagon on someone she has said she would be willing to lynch? If you can't explain this, you can't vote her. 1) Grack could be mafia 2) She could think I'm a more viable lynch 3) She's under a lot of pressure and people under pressure do a lot of crazy things they wouldn't do otherwise. 4) She's afraid of giving more associations, so she's locking in all of her reads (this actually is pretty well in line with her play since I joined the wagon) The issue here is, I don't think anything a player does under pressure or after a slip matters | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:17 Eywa- wrote: 1) Grack could be mafia 2) She could think I'm a more viable lynch 3) She's under a lot of pressure and people under pressure do a lot of crazy things they wouldn't do otherwise. 4) She's afraid of giving more associations, so she's locking in all of her reads (this actually is pretty well in line with her play since I joined the wagon) The issue here is, I don't think anything a player does under pressure or after a slip matters Do you really think this? Anything a player does under pressure is irrelevant? | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:17 Eywa- wrote: 1) Grack could be mafia 2) She could think I'm a more viable lynch 3) She's under a lot of pressure and people under pressure do a lot of crazy things they wouldn't do otherwise. 4) She's afraid of giving more associations, so she's locking in all of her reads (this actually is pretty well in line with her play since I joined the wagon) The issue here is, I don't think anything a player does under pressure or after a slip matters 1. Then vote Grack 2. Objectively not true. 3. The vote count was 3-4 Grack-ES. It's not a difficult choice to make as mafia to join the counterlynch. You can't cite pressure. 4. If ES gets lynched, we still know nothing on Grack regardless. What slip have you seen? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Do you really think this? Anything a player does under pressure is irrelevant? Definitely not very sensible. Then you couldn't count anything a person up for lynch does ever. In that logic, once you decide you want to lynch someone, you ignore absolutely everything they say/do because they're "Under pressure" | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Do you really think this? Anything a player does under pressure is irrelevant? I believe there are studies on this with real world applications (investigations and so on), but typically... Yes. Most people don't handle pressure well, sometimes they are super scummy , you apply a bit of pressure and they post a bunch without thinking. Oh... Must be town?.. Sometimes the opposite will happen, it's unpredictable and pretty useless for reading a game. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10023 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:21 Pandain wrote: Definitely not very sensible. Then you couldn't count anything a person up for lynch does ever. In that logic, once you decide you want to lynch someone, you ignore absolutely everything they say/do because they're "Under pressure" Exactly. Shit like 90% of what happens in the thread happens because of pressure on someone. | ||
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