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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 11:10 GMT
#561
You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:14 GMT
#562
On July 03 2019 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 03 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Here's a spreadsheet, it was really easy to make this time, please tell me if I've got anything wrong.

[image loading]


This is wrong, I quite clearly called out pandain and you piggybacked it but it's not here. Me being lazy doesn't make me mafia though.



I just missed it I'll change it now. I also forgot to put all of rayn's reads in there for some reason. I'll post the updated version when I get back to work I'm just at home having lunch.

On July 03 2019 20:10 Holyflare wrote:
You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric.


But you do believe that ES is mafia because she got a meta read wrong on you.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:15 GMT
#563
kinda seems like you're all out of whack here hf. You are trusting a case that has no logic over something that is perfectly logical, and

You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric.


Isn't an explanation but just burying your head in the sand.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 11:17 GMT
#564
On July 03 2019 20:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Here's a spreadsheet, it was really easy to make this time, please tell me if I've got anything wrong.

[image loading]


This is wrong, I quite clearly called out pandain and you piggybacked it but it's not here. Me being lazy doesn't make me mafia though.



I just missed it I'll change it now. I also forgot to put all of rayn's reads in there for some reason. I'll post the updated version when I get back to work I'm just at home having lunch.

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On July 03 2019 20:10 Holyflare wrote:
You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric.


But you do believe that ES is mafia because she got a meta read wrong on you.


Among other things that I'm clearly talking about? Who is she actually calling mafia? Eywa? Eywa looks identical to eywa last game but for some reason they are ES's seemingly only scum read in the whole game.

Defends bad looking grack.

Defended me when I've posted literally nothing of substance.

Pretty sure she's defended more people.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:19 GMT
#565
On July 03 2019 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
This is the most reasoning I think I've ever seen eywa post for a scum read in any game and it's coherent and says actual things that make people scummy.... and I kinda think that might make him mafia? :D

that's fucked up logic




On July 03 2019 20:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 20:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 03 2019 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Here's a spreadsheet, it was really easy to make this time, please tell me if I've got anything wrong.

[image loading]


This is wrong, I quite clearly called out pandain and you piggybacked it but it's not here. Me being lazy doesn't make me mafia though.



I just missed it I'll change it now. I also forgot to put all of rayn's reads in there for some reason. I'll post the updated version when I get back to work I'm just at home having lunch.

On July 03 2019 20:10 Holyflare wrote:
You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric.


But you do believe that ES is mafia because she got a meta read wrong on you.


Eywa? Eywa looks identical to eywa last game but for some reason they are ES's seemingly only scum read in the whole game.


RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:19 GMT
#566
SCUM
RIP Meatloaf <3
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 03 2019 11:21 GMT
#567
On July 03 2019 20:06 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 03 2019 19:36 Pandain wrote:
HF you're completely misreading what ES has said.

She's not defending Grack and saying he's town. She's just saying his play is NAI.

So your argument that she wouldn't want to lynch a town read is wrong because she hasn't town read him.

Also think about this HF: If Grack turns out to be town, I'm sure you agree it would be crazy stupid for ES to not vote to lynch him. Possible, but unlikely.

So we should lynch Grack first because that will help us with ES.


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On July 03 2019 18:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.

@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this.


I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto.


Meek? I've hard defended Grack on a meta read all game!

@Pand ok but don't see the issue. My own read :Grack gets his thing together or lynch.I talk to Grack and he is still basic 'I'm be useless'. Everyone else pages later: Grack gets his things togthero or we lynch him.


Either you're misreading or just needlessly defending her. If the person themselves said they're defending a person then what do you think they think of their alignment?


Hard defending him not to be lynched. Not hard defending him that he's town.

Completely different.

On July 03 2019 01:18 Eversince wrote:

Conclusion:
Grack may totes be scum. But his play there is not a reason to think he is a mafia yet.




On July 03 2019 00:42 Eversince wrote:
@Rayn

He doesn't but it could be either m!Grack/t!Grack. I'm saying we lynch most likely mafia over him. Because Grack playstyle make it hard to tell if he's m!Grack yet because his town play looks the same D1.


On July 03 2019 00:32 Eversince wrote:
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On July 03 2019 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 00:23 Eversince wrote:
Sorry, took a nap! I'm back now though!

who made the above post then? :O


Also you sum my Grack points back up yourself. He could be mafia, but he could be t!Grack here and not giving a darn. I don't like to lynch town.


On July 03 2019 00:47 Eversince wrote:
.......I'm getting annoyed with answering this! It's all over my filter!

I think Grack could play his inactive self d1 as either mafia!Grack or town!Grack. I give him the pass today because I know this about him. I would still lynch but I think it's not worth our votes with better options





On July 02 2019 16:35 Eversince wrote:
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On July 02 2019 16:31 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 16:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 02 2019 16:26 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 16:20 Holyflare wrote:
On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?

Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh.
I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try...

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread.

In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.


Do you feel like this applies to you this game trfel?
No, I don't.

@Jockmcplop, my townread on Eversince achieved exactly what it was supposed to.


Do you still townread ES?
Of course. I do really believe in tonereads of this type. Her post about being willing to lynch Grackaroni already (!) makes me doubt slightly though, feels a bit opportunistic/eager, but I think the tone read is much stronger.


Willing but not preferred! (Note: to lynch Grack) I said here that it would be more a policy lynch.

Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:21 GMT
#568
Blatantly ignoring your own point on eywa in an attempt to try and justify a bad read on ES because you're committed to it now.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:22 GMT
#569
This is going to be an interesting game now!
I've never played against scum hf before
RIP Meatloaf <3
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 03 2019 11:22 GMT
#570
I defend people all the time because they're null at best. Not because I have a strong or even mediocore townread on them.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:30 GMT
#571
OK from now on i'm pushing for an hf lynch. The indecision and second guessing is over. hf is scum.

All he has done in this game so far is three things:

1: Made a throwaway point about pandain and never pushed it.

2: Made a terrible, nonsensical scum read on ES, who was already under pressure from elsewhere

3: Tried to justify this read when it was pointed out that it makes no sense, directly contradicting something he said earlier about eywa.

No attempt to engage with town, just jumped on the easiest wagon and stayed there with very bad reasons.

##vote holyflare

If anyone can see a reason not to vote hf over ES, come and say it, convince me. hf has been useless, lazy and scummy and has done nothing townish in the entire game.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 03 2019 11:35 GMT
#572
Unfortunately HF tunnels extremely easily. I could easily see him doing this as town.

There was another game earlier this year where Bugs, BC, VE, and I got him lynched because he was extremely tunneled on me and never made posts about anyone else. He ended up being town.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 03 2019 11:36 GMT
#573
Plus I could understand the Eywa "slipup". It's both true that his playstyle has been pretty much the same, but it's also true he's made some suprisingly coherent points. Neither of those are exclusive to each other.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:36 GMT
#574
On July 03 2019 20:35 Pandain wrote:
Unfortunately HF tunnels extremely easily. I could easily see him doing this as town.

There was another game earlier this year where Bugs, BC, VE, and I got him lynched because he was extremely tunneled on me and never made posts about anyone else. He ended up being town.


I could see this being true, but its not a reason not to lynch him. HF isn't just tunnelled here, he's playing scummy. If we don't lynch him when he plays scummy because 'he sometimes plays like that as town' we're giving him free wins when he's mafia.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:39 GMT
#575
On July 03 2019 20:36 Pandain wrote:
Plus I could understand the Eywa "slipup". It's both true that his playstyle has been pretty much the same, but it's also true he's made some suprisingly coherent points. Neither of those are exclusive to each other.


Its the whole picture together that does it for me...

1: hf didn't really seemed to go either way on ES until exactly the moment that ES got 3 votes from other people. Then all of a sudden its 'ES is scum' for bad reasons. I know hf gets tunnelled but usually his cases make sense in some way. In this case, nothing he has said about ES would her mafia.

2: His case is bad and he knows it, but is sticking with his vote for other reasons

3: That reason is that eywa is playing exactly the same as before, even though there's so much of a difference from before that hf pointed it out and nearly scumread eywa for it.

The whole sequence of events is clearly mafia like.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:41 GMT
#576
^^^ Compare that against a list of reasons not to read him as mafia. I can't think of any from his play so far.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 11:43 GMT
#577
It's not a slip up it was a facetious point that I don't even know if I believe.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10023 Posts
July 03 2019 11:44 GMT
#578
On July 03 2019 20:43 Holyflare wrote:
It's not a slip up it was a facetious point that I don't even know if I believe.


Why shouldn't I lynch you from your play so far?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 11:47 GMT
#579
On July 03 2019 20:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 20:43 Holyflare wrote:
It's not a slip up it was a facetious point that I don't even know if I believe.


Why shouldn't I lynch you from your play so far?


I'm just lazy doesn't make me mafia.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 03 2019 11:48 GMT
#580
On July 03 2019 20:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 20:36 Pandain wrote:
Plus I could understand the Eywa "slipup". It's both true that his playstyle has been pretty much the same, but it's also true he's made some suprisingly coherent points. Neither of those are exclusive to each other.


Its the whole picture together that does it for me...

1: hf didn't really seemed to go either way on ES until exactly the moment that ES got 3 votes from other people. Then all of a sudden its 'ES is scum' for bad reasons. I know hf gets tunnelled but usually his cases make sense in some way. In this case, nothing he has said about ES would her mafia. Not really true. His vote was the third one, but he made his opinion clear that he thought ES was mafia back when ES only had one vote. He just ended up voting later. And unfortunately no, he often gets tunneled and refuses to think logically in these scenarios.

2: His case is bad and he knows it, but is sticking with his vote for other reasons I don't think he thinks its bad. I think hes just crazy tunneled. He does this every game unfortunately.

3: That reason is that eywa is playing exactly the same as before, even though there's so much of a difference from before that hf pointed it out and nearly scumread eywa for it. Like I said, its both true that Eywa is playing similar and that Eywa is making strangely coherent points. As in he's playing the same way, but his arguments are better.

The whole sequence of events is clearly mafia like.



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