[M][N][72/24]Midnight Sun Mafia

On May 14 2019 07:31 disformation wrote:
Will know Wednesday afternoon if I have enough time to play.

On May 17 2019 23:04 Conversion wrote:


Artanis!
Artanis!
Artanis!

On May 20 2019 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait... i think jock is mafia

On May 20 2019 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to prove it right here. Here are all of mine and his (for him i am starting from where he questions me because nothing before matters -- just look at the first post of his) posts until the last one:













above post is irrelevant to whole discussion


##unvote Calix
##vote Jockmcplop

there is no way the green and red parts are true, he is just agreeing with what basically thread sentiment looks like.

On May 19 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote:


I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right?

Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now.

On May 20 2019 06:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hi disinformation. As I see you are here. Answer me!

What do you think of the quote I posted in my bigger post above?

On May 20 2019 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Then please actually read the thread and tell me why jock and bugs voted for me?

On May 19 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote:


I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right?

Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now.

On May 20 2019 07:19 Calix wrote:


Actually you know what?

I am calling bullshit on this.

This seems way too convenient. VE just HAPPENED to warn us against pushing rayn too much, tried diverting to iGrok, claimed rayn would ruin the game if we kept pushing him, etc.

Then rayn just latches onto a bad case against Jock and pushes it with a vastly disproportionate amount of confidence before making a random and completely unwarranted role claim and generally acting like he's lost his shit.

Emphasis on the acting.

I'm more tempted to think VE/ rayn set this up than anything else. There are lots of 'hints' beforehand that make me suspicious as to how authentic they're being.

#shamelesstinfoil

On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
List of shit because I want to.

Town reads
VE
HF (god help me)

Mafia reads
Ruxxar
Calix
Disinformation

Null
Everyone else

On May 20 2019 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:


What is your read on Jock?

And what do you think of Conversion coming in and calling you flaky?

hmm good point but x” “this is true but y”

On May 20 2019 16:58 Koshi wrote:
I also ignore jock his posts. Which is dangerous but w.e

On May 20 2019 20:31 Conversion wrote:
the fuck is Jock shitting on me for when I was literally on a plane and how are people eating that bullshit up as a scum read

dude literally shared a scum read with me in a post and then still scumreads me

stay classy

in other news disfo still has done nothing and I’m still hearing a lot of white noise on other people so we should lynch disfo. I’m heading to work now so hopefully I can llay at lunch or something

On May 20 2019 20:33 Conversion wrote:
like i think it’s incredibly disingenous to cal me flaky and apologetic and trying to lurk for not doing much when the only other person that pointed disfo out at the point was rayn at that point. also fuck you why would i ever make an irl excuse when i can just literally disappear. also double fuck you because i didnt play the last game i was in because i lost my job

On May 20 2019 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
YES calix lets convert that conversion into a dead scum.

On May 20 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm starting to think VE is mafia.
He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird.









Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum.

not a single example of that in this game. Not once.

Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style.


Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched:





I haven't seen anything like that either.

On May 20 2019 21:59 Jockmcplop wrote:


Do you think Calix normally plays differently?
That's what koshi is getting at. Are we supposed to expect more?

On May 20 2019 21:59 Holyflare wrote:
Artanis is falling to the scummy pile

On May 20 2019 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote:


My response to a) is that its probably different getting a meta read on someone who's been here for years compared to trying to do the same with someone who's only ever played 3 games of mafia. Of course I'm going to change up my style, I'm doing it deliberately. I would expect someone who's been here for ages to settle in to a posting style and not make weird small changes like that.

b) I'm going to do exactly this when I have time but I'm at work so I don't have an hour or two to spare to do that rn.

On May 20 2019 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself.

On May 20 2019 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with.

Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all.

On May 20 2019 23:33 Koshi wrote:
Lets just kill wbg

On May 20 2019 19:38 Koshi wrote:

Wbg is playing thread police and pushing the lynch onto a place it should never go.

He claims Calix is mafia but wants to lynch Ruxxar. That is the most retarded thing ever because Ruxxar is only mafia if he decided to hard buss Calix. All other cases he is tip top town.

I should read the player list but lynch should almost always go into Calix or a lurker.

On May 20 2019 20:49 Koshi wrote:
Wbg is probably mafia for pushing me to vote Calix.

On May 20 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote:


I don't need thoughts on other players, I have caught scum in disformation and am currently meta diving him. I invite you to join me and lynch scum with fire

On May 20 2019 23:57 disformation wrote:
currently looking at ruxxar. doesnt seem like a bad vote target.
other option would be to sheep ve and hf onto igrok.

want to see bc to explain the stuff surrounding his jock quote, think that will heavily influence my opinion on him.
fairly null on you tbh.

On May 21 2019 00:00 wherebugsgo wrote:


his tone, and that he's one of the very few people in this game who has kept their eye on the prize and forced the conversation back to the lynch target of choice.

On May 21 2019 00:05 Conversion wrote:


so tell me why disformation IGNORING ME FOR THE PAST 40 PAGES NOT MAKE HIM SCUM

On May 20 2019 18:39 disformation wrote:

flaky is a new one. usually people say things like "waffly" "unoriginal" "no reads" etc. And I don't think I did a lot of stuff in this game so far so *shrugs*.

is basically my play style so I suspect he is going to scum read me a lot?
interested to see if he follows up on the meta though.

jock is complicated for me atm. will do a post after lunch to explain.

highway to the danger zone
right into the danger zone

great now i have an ear worm

On May 21 2019 00:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


he's town. If you think scum Jock would randomly start attacking VE and bring all sorts of attention to himself in the process, at a time where the thread has already gone to shit and all he'd have to do is sit back, then I don't know what to tell you.

In this situation what I expect a lot of scum to do is to put up token resistance if suspected and then disappear. That's exactly what ruxxar did.

On May 21 2019 00:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm off to bed now. ruxxar's come back so hopefully he can clear up his alignment for us. I'm not hopeful either way



btw do you intend on providing any opinions or only asking questions this game?

What player would you kill right now and why?

On May 21 2019 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
God you guys do a lot of pointless arguing.

Give me a case to look at.

On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant



you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple:



3 things that stand out:

1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement
2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with"
3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification.

When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong.

On May 20 2019 23:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
man I might actually be right here

ruxxar put up a weak front when responding to me and then just disappeared, while everyone else has just gone on to talk about all sorts of other things. Koshi's entrance and almost every entrance since then (like Artanis's) just make it easier for him to continue hiding. He's still the best lynch here. disformation's response isn't completely awful, and Conversion's response to Jock feels a bit overblown but it's easier to ignore him for now and let him calm down a bit because it reduces variance.



this is to everyone, but mostly you and VE because you are the ones asserting this:

rather than assume what Calix is saying why not just get Calix to say it directly? Nitpicking someone is not a great way to establish their alignment

On May 20 2019 08:30 Conversion wrote:


idk i havent played in a while but this sorta flaky thing is something that’s rather evident (like rayn just mentioned, he doesn’t take a stance really)

someone correct me if that’s just how disfo plays, but i dont like pivot posts where someone goes “hmm good point but x” “this is true but y”

might be personal bias against posts like that though. i’ll do a meta check once at a computer but i like my read right now

On May 21 2019 00:05 Conversion wrote:


so tell me why disformation IGNORING ME FOR THE PAST 40 PAGES NOT MAKE HIM SCUM

On May 20 2019 17:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
Lynching conversion is the smart play here.

Like reading through his filter I can't see a single post where there's a clear town motive. He makes a read but says sorry and its probably wrong like because he hasn't played much.

Later on its 'i'm on phone and lazy'.

He's the third person in the space of a couple of hours to say he's on a plane and can't post. NAI on its own but looks scummy in context. Doesn't come back after. Long plane journey? Can't still post lazily on his phone when he lands/gets home. I mean if you're posting lazily why not just take the 2 seconds to do so.

On May 20 2019 06:49 ruXxar wrote:




this post right here
it almost makes me wanna vomit how artificial it is

On May 21 2019 01:00 Calix wrote:
Clearly the current best case is ruxxar making a "here if you have any questions" post before fucking off.

On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote:
interestingly enough I have played with disformation more than I thought

two recent games I'm meta diving here: classic (disfo mafia)and vendee (disfo town, replaced in after N1)

On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote:
the thing with disfo here, from what I'm reading, is that he generally sounds the same (to which I think rayn alluded to when he was telling me disfo sounds the same either way)

On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote:
the thing is I'm more inclined to believe disfo is mafia here because it's been almost 48hrs and he hasn't done one productive thing all game

On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote:
let's take a look at Vendee:

vendee

+ Show Spoiler +

now let's look at his mafia game

classic
+ Show Spoiler +

I just feel like it's the same sort of weird tonal meta read I had with rsoul in Vendee and the meta diving for me encapsulates disformation very clearly here: demotivated, trying to stay hidden and posting for the sake of posting (lots of prodding, evades conclusive questions, not really sure what real objective he has for D1 still to this hour)

I'd just like to reiterate here that I do not think Jock-Disfo can be a team from the way they are playing.

I'll look into ruxxar next since he did kind of just go "u tried" and ran away

On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote:


so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts.
tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish.
im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus.
my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion.
speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta.
i could be swayed to vote conversion today.

On May 21 2019 01:47 ruXxar wrote:


yep

On May 21 2019 01:59 Calix wrote:


At least Conversion MIGHT actually be tunneled though. I didn't hate his meta post as much as I thought I would. By that, I mean I can actually kinda see it come from a townie, not that I agree with it.

On May 21 2019 02:02 ruXxar wrote:


my reads are changing, its just that people dont usually throw out posts that are so dramatic it totally changes my alignment on them right away.
also first impression reads tend to linger quite a while

On May 21 2019 02:33 ruXxar wrote:
havent played a mafia game where its been this hard to come up with solid reads ngl.
everyone being active smart or active gorilla, hard to tell apart day 1.

On May 21 2019 05:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
By nature of when he was here and what was going on, How is just general inactivity make more more suspicious? If he appears just to avoid potential warnings/modkills it would look suspicious otherwise why does it get worse?

There are far better options atm then someone who might get removed via a mod. That is literally why he shouldnt be up for a lynch

On May 21 2019 05:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Thing is, If he shows up and provides literally nothing just to save himself that itself is more or less the proof youd need to off him as he cares enough to live but not play. Its day 1. Id rather rng day 1 than just kill someone who might eat a modkill.

Vivax flipped red last game but Id argue the same thing. To me at the point he vanished I wasn't sold on the kill Vivax. He got modkilled and flipped red. Doesn't prove that this will happen this time as its a different player.

On May 21 2019 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
I'll read ruxxar. His posts strike me as the most gap filler at the moment.

On May 21 2019 07:24 Holyflare wrote:


didn't happen, probably won't :D

On May 21 2019 06:49 Koshi wrote:

Dnu man. I think she is mafia. Really do. Maybe she is not mafia. My vote will be for her. For reasons given.

First post was really not good enough. Way too generic and like ruxxar said fabricated.

I really really dont believe this is town Calix. Town Calix is smarter. Better. More in detail.

On May 21 2019 06:41 Koshi wrote:
I am back to voting Calix. The most grey posts and prudent as fuck.

I am not going to change on that anymore.

She cleaned up her posts today and when I removed my suspicion nothing more came from her. That's not ok.


Final read is that she plays to survive and not to solve the puzzle.

On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:


sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together

I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.



I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one.

I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given:

1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative
2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads.
3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm.

Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.

On May 21 2019 07:48 Calix wrote:
I am tired myself but I'm happy to talk about whatever thoughts you have You are pretty chill to discuss stuff with, lol.

On May 21 2019 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.

He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch?

On May 21 2019 07:55 Calix wrote:


WBG has played one game with me about a year ago (?). He was mafia. I was town. We were both alive for a while IIRC.

I've played maybe 5 times with Koshi, don't really remember. We have never been the same alignment before. Usually he is mafia and I am town.

Does that help?

On May 21 2019 08:02 Calix wrote:


Actually I have a question about BC. When I saw his post against Artanis, I thought it was weird, almost OOC, coming from him. Seemed a lot 'angrier' (for lack of a better word) than what I'd expect. (also I didn't understand the part where he says he was protecting Artanis given Artanis hasn't been under any pressure)

But I also don't know the guy at all. Is that kind of thing normal for him?

[I also haven't paid any attention to him, might go read his filter actually]

On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote:
Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point.

On May 21 2019 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote:


You need to follow up on this now or I’m booting you from my town circle

You say you find it weird that I “defended” iGrok when it’s more like I provided the only valid perspective that isn’t completely coloured by “he used a bad reason for the only thug he’s done so he’s scum”. I find it weird that even now he’s the only person you’re willing to kill.

ruxxar is clearly actively lurking, he basically admitted it twice. That’s more than we can say for iGrok who just straight up disappeared.

On May 21 2019 08:07 Calix wrote:


I don't think they're mafia together, lol.

Koshi is considerably more likely mafia anyway. I noticed during the VE/ HF fight that he basically popped in and changed a bunch of scum-reads around with zero explanations. You can check for yourself. It really reeks of 'throw a dart at some names and claim they're your new scum-reads' play.

On May 21 2019 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote:


What?? a) His tone is meek. He literally called himself a mouse
b) what you mentioned here is more mafia indicative than town!! It’s mafia who aren’t willing to commit to reads, not townies. How could someone possibly read 20+ pages of this game and come out with a town read on Koshi and no scum reads? It’s fairly clear he thought he should have one as well, because he offers conversion up as a potential lynch.

I’d love to see what Conversion thinks about that, honestly.

As for the Koshi and me business, Koshi is probably just scum this game because he’s been slinging stuff for a while and trying to just get it to stick. If you look at Koshi’s past games where he plays town he actually tries to figure out stuff despite the high volume of posting one liners. There is no real progression here, it just seems like he’s trying to find things that would throw us off and making it much harder to read the game. I am actually shocked at how many town reads he is getting for this play, especially because they’re completely unexplained as well.

On May 21 2019 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:


If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for.

Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC.

In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward.

On May 21 2019 08:25 Calix wrote:


Think the term you want is 'image conscious'

I didn't get the impression he scum-read Jock. The way he worded it made it sound like he found Jock more annoying than scummy, lol.

On May 21 2019 15:32 Koshi wrote:

I am with you.

On May 20 2019 23:51 Conversion wrote:
disfo what is your state of the game right now? literally all I'm seeing is you prodding things and 0 conclusive anythings

who do you watn to lynch? do you agree with bugs and we should lynch ruxxar? what about jock's point on me? anything?

On May 21 2019 19:49 Holyflare wrote:


Kind of feel the same way tbh. Here's a free town read.

On May 21 2019 20:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

Also D1 claim is so bad. But its rayn does it mean anything?

On May 21 2019 19:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I literally said I could fesibly lynch both disfor AND Conversion. NOW who's not reading? lel

On May 21 2019 20:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\

Basically mine is as followed

Town
BC
WBG
HF (again god help me)
VE

Null
Koshi
Conversion
Jock
Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now)
Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red)
Igrok

Mafia
Ruxxar
Disinformation
Artanis

On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.

The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.

Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.

Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.


Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why

On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
After that post.

Early thread leanings

VE - Town
Rayn - Null - possible town

HF - null to scum
Jock - null to scum

Ruxxar - Lean scum
Callix - Scum

On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
List of shit because I want to.

Town reads
VE
HF (god help me)

Mafia reads
Ruxxar
Calix
Disinformation

Null
Everyone else

On May 20 2019 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself.

On May 20 2019 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with.

Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all.

On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.

On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.

Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?

You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?

On May 21 2019 20:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


You do realize that after the post I just quoted of mine I basically didnt talk about Jock for ages? Why do you care about my Jock read progression. I literally in my filter said I wasn't 100% on him and it was a lean. Why the hell do you care more about my reasons for someone leaning scum as opposed to someone I think is scum?

You are reading the thread, you have been here more or less active the entire game day and have offered nothing of substance. Help us solve the game, or if you just insist on tunneling people who point in your direction get ready to likely get vigi'd or lynched.

On May 21 2019 20:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



If you think Bugs is the only sane person in the game you would trust his judgment on me, which you dont. Especially given you said you would sheep him. So instead of antagonizing me you should want to be doing you know, something productive?

On May 21 2019 20:53 disformation wrote:
jo. bugs, calix do you guys see the problem in bc's read progression too or am i just stupid?

On May 21 2019 21:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
here's the thing that's making me hesitant though

If we're wrong about one or both of VE we get rid of an asset on D1 and despite this being a game with longer lynch cycles that's potentially a big loss

Like, even if they're both scum together there's guaranteed to be a third person that's scum and I think that third person is probably an easier catch than either of them.

In my opinion the world at this point makes total sense if VE & rayn are scum together, but that's too early for me to make that association for sure. What I'd rather do is try and hit that scum hiding somewhere, which we're pretty much guaranteed to have and we're more likely to hit if we're wrong on one or both of VE/rayn.

On May 21 2019 22:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
AND ITS HAPPENING BOYS, I'VE TREAD THIS PATH BEFORE.

VE DIES TODAY SADLY BECAUSE BUGS GOT HIS TUNNEL ON!

On May 21 2019 22:28 Koshi wrote:
##unvote

I dont know anymore guis. Who could be mafia?

On May 21 2019 22:26 Koshi wrote:
Guis I think Calix is mafia.
Guis I think Ruxxar is mafia.
Guis I think there is 1 mafia in Calix/Ruxxar
Guis should we not all vote on rayn?

On May 21 2019 22:20 Koshi wrote:

Let's not focus on 2 people that are mafia and look for mafia.

Yes I joined the fucking dark side on Ruxxar but I will not lynch him before Calix EVVVVEEERRR

On May 21 2019 22:36 Calix wrote:


Anyway do you think rayn is mafia or not? Pretty sure you did not answer my question the first time ^^

On May 21 2019 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this post is really good although i don't remember if i said the same thing before.

i think there are multiple points here that mafia never says.

On May 21 2019 23:03 Koshi wrote:

Well. He is my shennanie target atm.

On May 20 2019 16:22 Jockmcplop wrote:


iGrok is a good lynch imo. He hasn't posted enough for me to say that he's scum really but his lack of self defense is concerning and I'm always up for lynching a lurker on day 1.

On May 20 2019 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote:


This makes sense.
You think iGrock would be a good resource to keep if town? I have never played with him before so have no idea.

I'm really up for a conversion lynch here. He isn't posting much but what he has posted is very scum. Like super scum.

##vote: conversion

On May 21 2019 23:27 disformation wrote:

dl is like 5am for me so if you are into getting up early your chances arent bad.

meanwhile looking at jock.
he asks a metric fuckton of questions. like ball park of half of his filter.
some of them lead somewhere though not always related to the question:
e.g:

or:



honestly his filter is also really hard to read, cause its hard to tell if noone answered a question or if he just dropped the line. doesnt seem to be concerned in cases where he doesnt get an answer though?

On May 21 2019 20:48 Jockmcplop wrote:


People I have 'looked into' during this game:

You
Hf a little bit
VE a little bit then backed off
Rayn more than once

I've spent most of the first couple of rl days trying to get reads by asking questions and gathering information..

Tell me that's wrong... I dare you.

Stop this OMGUS please it doesn't help anything.

On May 21 2019 23:31 Jockmcplop wrote:


I did post town reads.

Amusingly not even I want to look through my filter.

WBG was my main townread.

On May 21 2019 14:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
At the same time, and although I said Ruxxar's main read on hf doesn't make sense, I'm going back and looking at hf now and ehhhhh
Normally he has tried to make a case on someone by now.

I take that criticism back ruxxar.

I still think your post is a bit scummy but you have a point on hf.

He hasn't done anything. He's voting for the most afk of afkers which is literally the opposite of what he normally does. He argued with rayn on my behalf alot and that really is the most active he's been in the thread. Since then he has got nothing done except give a bunch of town reads and then say that maybe he was wrong about them.

I'm confused.

Is everyone scum except me?

So far - the people I would townread are:

Artanis (just because I haven't seen anything scummy from him)
WBG (is playing like town WBG - this changed from the first couple of hours but I was reading too much into a simple mistake)


Scum are:

Conversion still hasn't convinced me to change my vote. Being angry about being voted for is NAI. Trying to make me stop talking about the fact that he said he hasn't played when he has. Repeatedly says 'fuck you it was because i was fired.' This is bad. All he needed to say was that he replaced out. Its like he REALLY doesn't want me to talk about it.

ALSO HE TUNNELS DISFO BUT HAS DONE NOTHING ELSE
NOTHING

One single tunnel in a game could easily be fake.

Conversion what are you thinking about others in the thread??? (other than disfo)

You said you have 24 hours to convince us you're town but since then you've done absolutely nothing that would convince anyone you are town.


HF (scumlean) - Ruxxar's case is interesting. You are normally leading the thread or getting involved with trying to get people onto a wagon. You aren't doing what you normally do as town. I think every game I've played with you you've been blue - and in each one you were one of the main presences in the thread - at least trying hard to get stuff done. You seem to be reacting to other people's reads alot more than you are making your own.
Can you explain this for me.


This game is confusing as all hell.
I don't get it.
I don't like Koshi, don't like disfo very much either, BC is suspicious and they can't all be mafia FFS. I'm leaving these guys as null for now with VE - who claims to be obvtown but I don't see it yet.

On May 21 2019 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
omg I'm being taken for a ride.

On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.

And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.

Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.

Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1

Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.

On May 20 2019 21:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Quite unlikely, but I am going to be so amused if the scumteam is something like VE/WBG/Rayn.

On May 21 2019 23:55 Koshi wrote:

If this is all true I can actually vote jock. Maybe I should read his filter when I am home.

On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well.

Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town.

On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well.

Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town.

On May 22 2019 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am pretty sure that's what i said in the first place.
And even that is not true, because i gave reads when he wanted me to, and just because i didn't think any of the 5 people who posted so far is necessarily mafia shouldn't make me mafia.

On May 22 2019 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

I know I'm just saying like...I can see a townie who RVS voted you giving a shitty reason just like... Not mentioning the shitty reason when asked later, no?

On May 22 2019 00:23 disformation wrote:

mmhh i mean. wouldnt town be more like "oh i more or less randomly vote you to see an reaction and that reaction looked scum to me" in the first place instead of trying to like put out a crappy reason and flailing when pressured on it?

On May 22 2019 00:31 disformation wrote:
why no bc? hard to follow reads. fell off super hard after first half of this cycle. currently basically fear voting ve.

On May 21 2019 22:20 Koshi wrote:

Let's not focus on 2 people that are mafia and look for mafia.

Yes I joined the fucking dark side on Ruxxar but I will not lynch him before Calix EVVVVEEERRR

On May 22 2019 00:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd still do iGrok too

On May 21 2019 23:55 disformation wrote:

post #682 isnt even ruxxar? its that post:

so... "i had a thought on ruxxar, that i dont remember" off something art posted and has nothing to do with rux? uhhh...

On May 22 2019 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lets murder calix.

On May 20 2019 19:04 Koshi wrote:

Ohh disfo. You still didnt change.

You read the thread and concluded VE is tip top town.
Why would you believe somebody else who rezd the thread would type and believe something like what Calix wrote? Come on...

VE tip top town. Calix sees something and goes for a little retarded tinfoil that CANNOT come from town with 2 brain cells.


CLASSIC mafia bullshit post because they have to bullshit.

On May 22 2019 01:55 Holyflare wrote:


Are you saying my reads should be static and unchanging or what? Each time I call someone mafia I have a precise reason for it and then I see their reaction and what they say and reevaluate. Does that make me mafia?

Think bc might be the only person I haven't called mafia I think.

On May 22 2019 00:32 disformation wrote:

+

On May 22 2019 01:56 iGrok wrote:

Frankly nothing that disinfo wrote stands out. I still don't have a single thing written down under "key moments" for them. Could be bored town, could be afk mafia, no idea.

I think bugs made a pretty good case on rux in #1096.

Also, I previously said to review #682 for rux. I meant to type #862, but it was 1am and I misread my own notes. Apologies.

On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:

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When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.

On May 22 2019 02:00 Holyflare wrote:


I just think I prefer my tone read to whatever these posts say. I definitely don't want to write him off as blindly town but it's vastly different from what I've experienced when he is mafia.

On May 21 2019 22:20 Koshi wrote:

Let's not focus on 2 people that are mafia and look for mafia.

Yes I joined the fucking dark side on Ruxxar but I will not lynch him before Calix EVVVVEEERRR

On May 22 2019 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
I don't care if bc gets lynched but please look at this igrok post he just made and come to a conclusion on it. He seems to believe i followed sentiment on calling rayn mafia (lol)

On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.

And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.

Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.

Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1

Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.

On May 22 2019 05:30 Calix wrote:


I still think the associations between BC and iGrok are a thing. BC made an early read on iGrok which looked pretty bad.

On May 22 2019 05:18 Koshi wrote:

No keep reading till this.

Wbg mafia hero.

On May 22 2019 05:49 Koshi wrote:

no wbg is just bad.

On May 22 2019 05:52 Koshi wrote:

Also why my name is in there I have 0 clues.

On May 22 2019 05:19 disformation wrote:
not going to stop you from moving your vote there.

also going to note that it seems fairly hard to get ppl to move onto bc despite:
koshi having a good point on bc
ruxxar having a good point on bc
and art now having a pretty solid case

think this train is going to hit scum town. get your tickets before its too late

On May 22 2019 06:00 Koshi wrote:
And not voting ofc.
It is obvious she doesn't want to vote BC just like she never wanted to vote me.

why?
why?
why o why?

On May 22 2019 06:00 Koshi wrote:

I also forgot.

On May 22 2019 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
Can anyone seriously piece together "hf only votes and calls people mafia with sentiment" with me attacking rayn or calling igrok mafia for voting rayn? Or pointing out inconsistencies with jock like he says?

On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote:
Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus

On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:
Lunch break.



I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.

HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.

HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.

On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote:
I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.

I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.

On May 22 2019 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
It's like pulling teeth to lynch a guy that hasn't even posted anything with evidence to back up :D why

On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing

On May 22 2019 07:01 Calix wrote:


Uh, he kinda HAS to make that post after you literally called him out for it. What else could he say to that?

On May 22 2019 07:07 disformation wrote:

not 100% something about reading them individually or something? i dunno.
im just super like dazzled by the "oh you are right. drops vote like its hot"

On May 22 2019 07:19 disformation wrote:
im dying here... one sec

On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1. Shitty entrance:


2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX:


3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games:

This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself.





4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:

All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.

5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.

Pls kill.

On May 22 2019 07:35 Calix wrote:


Pretty sure most people here said they liked the case. What ACTUALLY got ignored was BC's giant defense post. Personally I thought it overstated his involvement with finding scum-reads first.