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The things Bugs is accusing me of do not make me mafia.
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I’m going to take a really hard stance on Artanis right now and say I find it extremely unlikely he is scum.
On read and reread he plays like he doesn’t have enough time to read this game when VE & Koshi & rayn account for like half of the posts and none of the content, and when it’s already difficult to keep up with what’s going on with 6 hours to play instead of barely 2.
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On May 25 2019 04:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
THESE THREE PLAYERS NOT PUSHING ANY LYNCHES ARE MAFIA!
YOU KNOW, MAFIA WHO HAVE TO PUSH LYNCHES TO WIN! THESE THREE DUDES NOT DOING ANY OF THAT ARE CERTAINLY THE MAFIA I WAS JUST DESCRIBING!!!
They don't have to push lynches if you're about to lynch a townie.
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On May 25 2019 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:18 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 04:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 04:00 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
iGrok if you are town you need to do a better job of explaining yourself. You’re still getting lynched at this rate because I can’t even read your blurry images so to me it seems like you don’t want people to read what you’ve written, if indeed you have spent some effort on the game. I can’t see a town motivation for that so if you can’t even do the common courtesy of copy pasting that into the thread then there is 0 chance of anyone moving their vote on you.
Copy/pasting breaks all the formatting and leaves it illegible. I tried that originally, didn't work. Sorry. If you click on the image, it'll take you to the imgur site where you can see it full size. You may need to click it on their site to fully zoom in, but I promise its completely legible. Sorry but I'm just not going to format something twice. On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
We are lynching iGrok today, and you know that if he flips town, I will never lynch HF.
This doesn't make any sense. Good. It only makes sense to mafia who have TMI. Every townie in the game barring you if you are actually town should have agreed with the case on you. VE rayn and Koshi have had all the “correct” reads and literally 0 reasons. It basically feels like they are all channeling Grackaroni from last game. So, since it only makes sense to mafia, and it doesn't make sense to me, why are you still voting for me? Also, VE, please dont do that. Point made. Don't tell me what to do sir. We've been begging you to play more and now you're about to be lynched because you didn't. So no, I won't be not doing that thing you asked me to not do.
I didn't tell, I asked, I even said please 
Also, don't I still have another like, 30 hours before EOD? I'm hopeful someone else will realize how bad HF is by then.
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On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic.
I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either.
Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle.
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On May 25 2019 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m going to take a really hard stance on Artanis right now and say I find it extremely unlikely he is scum.
On read and reread he plays like he doesn’t have enough time to read this game when VE & Koshi & rayn account for like half of the posts and none of the content, and when it’s already difficult to keep up with what’s going on with 6 hours to play instead of barely 2.
On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic.
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On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle.
Ok, lets pretend I'm a complete dunce. Some of you seem to think that anyways so whatever. Help me out here:
TL MAFIA LESSON 101:
What is something helpful that someone has posted this game? Literally any example please.
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On May 25 2019 04:22 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m going to take a really hard stance on Artanis right now and say I find it extremely unlikely he is scum.
On read and reread he plays like he doesn’t have enough time to read this game when VE & Koshi & rayn account for like half of the posts and none of the content, and when it’s already difficult to keep up with what’s going on with 6 hours to play instead of barely 2. Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic.
Cool, same question on VE.
Rayn?
Koshi?
iGrok?
Cool we’ve established that it’s not alignment indicative, but probably indicative that Artanis doesn’t have time to get things correct. Occam’s razor ftw.
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On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle.
Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic.
iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this.
What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid.
They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways...
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Ok what wbg just posted is insane. Holy moses somewhere I hope you are mafia and really laughing your ass off with what you can post.
Maybe it is that. Maybe VE is right. Holy moses.
Maybe bc/bugs is mafia and this is insane.
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Also Artanis’s logic wasn’t completely terrible but it was a stretch. Stretching does not make you mafia because townies want to be right. Like me, I want to be right all the time and I’m sure I stretch the truth too. Not here though.
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On May 25 2019 04:24 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Ok, lets pretend I'm a complete dunce. Some of you seem to think that anyways so whatever. Help me out here: TL MAFIA LESSON 101: What is something helpful that someone has posted this game? Literally any example please.
Literally any one of WBG's articulate and detailed posts that cite examples/ evidence and clearly explain his thought process.
I know I've not interacted much with WBG's posts but I do appreciate the thought that goes into them.
And his point about the VE/ Koshi/ rayn bloc being content to not have influence over the lynch is a good one IMO.
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I dont understand how this town is so divided. Cant believe it.
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On May 25 2019 04:27 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:24 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Ok, lets pretend I'm a complete dunce. Some of you seem to think that anyways so whatever. Help me out here: TL MAFIA LESSON 101: What is something helpful that someone has posted this game? Literally any example please. Literally any one of WBG's articulate and detailed posts that cite examples/ evidence and clearly explain his thought process. I know I've not interacted much with WBG's posts but I do appreciate the thought that goes into them. And his point about the VE/ Koshi/ rayn bloc being content to not have influence over the lynch is a good one IMO.
Like, I hate to be pedantic, but can you please pick out a specific one that you think is good. Post # would be appreciated, I'll dig it up
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Because someone is doing a good job of convincing people that obvious townies aren't so obvious. It's not a great trait to have.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 25 2019 04:25 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic. iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this. What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid. They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways...
I mean artanis COULD be mafia but then you have to think of the following things:
If you think iGrok could also be mafia and likely is then what are mafia doing? They have 2 mafia up for lynch and they're not promoting alternatives hard enough to save their teammates? Alternatively, if iGrok is mafia Artanis is the counter wagon of choice and vice versa.
Unless you think mafia are trying to push a counter wagon in me (from iGrok) but then why is iGrok not really pushing that read and his only alternative is Artanis now that he's decided to eliminate calix from his mafia read for no reason (other than he scum reads me so if she's town, conveniently leaves her open next as his logic puzzle bs)?
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On May 25 2019 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Artanis’s logic wasn’t completely terrible but it was a stretch. Stretching does not make you mafia because townies want to be right. Like me, I want to be right all the time and I’m sure I stretch the truth too. Not here though.
This isn't a stretch.
You are taking two pretty much identical filters and making excuses for one of them while calling the other scum...
No stretching, pure agenda.
So you can shove you occam's razor up your bum.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 25 2019 04:28 Koshi wrote:
I dont understand how this town is so divided. Cant believe it.
You have quite literally caused this. You don't post any case, no proper reasons for defending people and spam whatever. You need to lead a thread if you want anything done, not undermine the only person that was actually leading it repeatedly.
What is the case to lynch artanis that people should follow over the case on iGrok?
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I claim veteran
Maybe a dumb move. But w.e.
I dont believe there is a jailer as well.
I feel like I have to do it because there are townies too tunneled. Maybe of I am confirmed town they snap out of it.
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On May 25 2019 04:25 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic. iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this. What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid. They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways...
That's because we're egotists who love yelling at each other 
But for real, I don't think this thread is indicative of iGrok/ Artanis both being mafia. Don't take this as 100% truth but two divisive wagons forming near EOD is usually not indicative of two mafia trains. So it's better to assume at least one is town as opposed to being thoughtless about who dies.
Hell, both could be town. But I personally don't think iGrok is town.
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