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On May 25 2019 04:28 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:27 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:24 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Ok, lets pretend I'm a complete dunce. Some of you seem to think that anyways so whatever. Help me out here: TL MAFIA LESSON 101: What is something helpful that someone has posted this game? Literally any example please. Literally any one of WBG's articulate and detailed posts that cite examples/ evidence and clearly explain his thought process. I know I've not interacted much with WBG's posts but I do appreciate the thought that goes into them. And his point about the VE/ Koshi/ rayn bloc being content to not have influence over the lynch is a good one IMO. Like, I hate to be pedantic, but can you please pick out a specific one that you think is good. Post # would be appreciated, I'll dig it up
And just to be transparent about it, I'm going to see if anything I have posted is comparable (in my eyes). That's why I'm asking. Then of course it'll be back up to you again.
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On May 25 2019 04:30 Koshi wrote:
I claim veteran
Maybe a dumb move. But w.e.
I dont believe there is a jailer as well.
I feel like I have to do it because there are townies too tunneled. Maybe of I am confirmed town they snap out of it.
Okay this actually changes a lot.
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On May 25 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:28 Koshi wrote:
I dont understand how this town is so divided. Cant believe it. You have quite literally caused this. You don't post any case, no proper reasons for defending people and spam whatever. You need to lead a thread if you want anything done, not undermine the only person that was actually leading it repeatedly. What is the case to lynch artanis that people should follow over the case on iGrok?
w.e bro I am jist having fun and playing my own game. Maybe it caused harm to town. But I didnt know that before I did it.
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Why the fuck would mafia shoot Koshi?
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Also mass posting and calling a lot of people mafia in a decent sized pool has costed me to be shot n1 so I partly also did it for that.
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The things Bugs is accusing me of do not make me mafia.
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Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D
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he's given himself away what a slip
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On May 25 2019 04:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why the fuck would mafia shoot Koshi?
Dnu bro. But if I am mafia we must have held the shot. So... if that even is possible.
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On May 25 2019 04:30 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:25 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic. iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this. What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid. They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways... That's because we're egotists who love yelling at each other  But for real, I don't think this thread is indicative of iGrok/ Artanis both being mafia. Don't take this as 100% truth but two divisive wagons forming near EOD is usually not indicative of two mafia trains. So it's better to assume at least one is town as opposed to being thoughtless about who dies. Hell, both could be town. But I personally don't think iGrok is town.
I am assuming that one is town.
All i meant was in the absence of that information they both look scummy from their filters.
I agree they could both be town.
I don't think we will be able to lynch hf if iGrock flips town. Might be able to get something from an Artanis flip though.
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Alright, so the people Koshi was going after were, by my book:
Calix, Conv, me, HF, BC
Was very anti-rux lynch, and leaned green on ve
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On May 25 2019 04:34 iGrok wrote:
Alright, so the people Koshi was going after were, by my book:
Calix, Conv, me, HF, BC
Was very anti-rux lynch, and leaned green on ve
Uuuuuuggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
And Calix now in here buying what WBG is selling.
Oy vay wtf now
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On May 25 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D
He tr me before the shot. Come on.
Mafia dont do what iGrok did.
Make a spreadsheet with the sole intention to find mafia. And you can see the updates over time. So it is not made in 1 time.
Come on hf.
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I can't believe you'd have perfect info that you essentially got shot most likely and you thought iGrok top towned you "beacause you shared the same reads" :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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OMG BUGS IS MAFIA HE SHOT KOSHI BECAUSE HE HATES HIM!!!!
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No that would be dumb. More likely someone shot Koshi to implicate Bugs.
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On May 25 2019 04:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Artanis’s logic wasn’t completely terrible but it was a stretch. Stretching does not make you mafia because townies want to be right. Like me, I want to be right all the time and I’m sure I stretch the truth too. Not here though. This isn't a stretch. You are taking two pretty much identical filters and making excuses for one of them while calling the other scum... No stretching, pure agenda. So you can shove you occam's razor up your bum.
You have your top 3 townreads all telling you that you are wrong. They are not identical filters at all. The case on iGrok is far more damning than on Artanis, and in fact there really isn’t much of a case on Artanis at all other than he and BC misunderstanding each other and it contributing a lot to people getting confused because it’s probably two towns fighting each other.
Like Artanis not getting BC’s scum meta correct isn’t necessarily scummy. It’s not scummy to be wrong, especially when he backed off to re-evaluate. It’s scummy to do something continuously when you don’t have any evidence for it, and when presented with evidence to the contrary if you continue to ignore it.
OTOH what VE, Koshi, and rayn have been doing all game is the exact opposite. They say all sorts of stuff with literally no evidence, and in fact a whole bunch of the time there is a mountain of evidence opposing them and they still say the same stuff over and over and over. Koshi can sail through mostly on the fact that everyone ignores him. Rayn and VE are sailing through to some degree on being ignored as well, as I’ve pointed out multiple times that people are townreading VE without actually reading the content and agenda of his posts. However the difference is that rayn if he’s scum knows he doesn’t have to do anything until his target flips because his town meta allows him to reach conclusions and never leave them until he absolutely has to. He did that on you already. VE knows he can’t hard stance anything because he’ll get caught in a slip almost immediately by either myself or BC, and we just played with him and we are both saying his tone is very different this game. He’s basically been on edge this whole game for no reason whatsoever. That’s why he’s literally never hard stanced this game.
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On May 25 2019 04:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG BUGS IS MAFIA HE SHOT KOSHI BECAUSE HE HATES HIM!!!!
TOGETHER WITJ CALIX!!1!1!1
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On May 25 2019 04:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D He tr me before the shot. Come on. Mafia dont do what iGrok did. Make a spreadsheet with the sole intention to find mafia. And you can see the updates over time. So it is not made in 1 time. Come on hf.
It's not a spreadsheet, we can't see the updates in real time until he was essentially forced to now and even now we can't see how he updates it or what his metric is for colouring posts.
You can read his colouring of you and in no way is it consistent with how much he town reads you until after they shot you.
Even if he did town read you that much before the deadline who the fuck else in the game did that would shoot you? You don't scum read rayn, you don't really or didn't scum read me or at least were never a threat. You scum read everyone in the game so not exactly a threat to anyone.
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