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just FYI for anyone worried about it, the ban list is officially sunsetted, with the exception of anyone who got a perma who should contact me. don't feel shy about signing up for this game!
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On March 02 2019 04:32 Pandain wrote:
Just got my role pm. I'm the jester. What does that mean?
It means you win if you're the last man standing.
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Hey friends! hope everyone is doing well. I'm still catching up on page 19, it seems like we have a lot of activity which is great. I won't be going for the usual random lynch thing this time around, but I do have a suggestion that might help out if we're having trouble deciding on the lynch. Let me know if there's anything urgent I need to weigh in on as I catch up.
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I don't RNG *every* time, heh.
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What's the current vote count at?
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TBH I think it would be reasonable to spend the lynch or the free mayor lynch on me today. I don't mind being knocked out early, and it would give other players a chance to play longer and have more fun. Same with eating a vigi bullet if needed
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On March 05 2019 03:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 03:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2019 03:33 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 11:15 Blazinghand wrote:
TBH I think it would be reasonable to spend the lynch or the free mayor lynch on me today. I don't mind being knocked out early, and it would give other players a chance to play longer and have more fun. Same with eating a vigi bullet if needed I would be fine with killing blazinghand today. He asked us to lynch him might as well make me happy. Plus the second sentence feels fake to me. Like no way he actually believes that if he were town. Might be right but it’s not as fun How is it not fun Cause I wanna see some drama in my mafia game lamp cmon I mean he flips scum yay. If he is town we get to call blazinghand a trash player. Kind of a win win.
do it! it will be a moral victory 
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On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
This would probably be a better approach, but I think people won't feel comfortable that I'll actually die unless I get voted to die. A mayor might chicken out at the last moment and use the free lynch on someone else.
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On March 05 2019 04:56 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 04:56 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit This would probably be a better approach, but I think people won't feel comfortable that I'll actually die unless I get voted to die. A mayor might chicken out at the last moment and use the free lynch on someone else. Wtf are you doing
I'm explaining to Mr. Wiggles why people prefer that I get killed by majority vote expecting the mayor to kill me
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On March 05 2019 04:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 04:56 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 04:56 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit This would probably be a better approach, but I think people won't feel comfortable that I'll actually die unless I get voted to die. A mayor might chicken out at the last moment and use the free lynch on someone else. Wtf are you doing I'm explaining to Mr. Wiggles why people prefer that I get killed by majority vote to expecting the mayor to kill me
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On March 05 2019 04:59 iamperfection wrote:
Even you aren't this bad you have to be scum
On March 05 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 04:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote:
Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar Catching up but nearly everything in this post is either wrong or disingenuous BH isn't in this game and unless this is some sort of last minute ploy to get him to come out, seeing as we've got 4 hours to deadline I don't approve of wasting a vote on a player who isn't even around to defend himself Turns out he was here all along, lurking until his train took out from the station. If he flips scum, I'm looking at you next.
I just didn't expect this game to be so high in activity. I gave up on reading the thread and just did a couple searches of my name to see who was talking to me. Since I don't have an important role and I don't think I'll ever be able to catch up with all this, I figure I might as well be lynched first. Even if I'm spared, how will I catch up on these scores of pages? I don't know how I did this in the past, tbh.
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On March 05 2019 05:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 04:54 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't. Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
I do have lots of fun playing scum! In my last game I played a master class scum game, high activity.
I'm either scum or I'm not, theoretically one should lynch based on that.
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On March 05 2019 05:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:01 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 04:59 iamperfection wrote:
Even you aren't this bad you have to be scum On March 05 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 04:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote:
Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar Catching up but nearly everything in this post is either wrong or disingenuous BH isn't in this game and unless this is some sort of last minute ploy to get him to come out, seeing as we've got 4 hours to deadline I don't approve of wasting a vote on a player who isn't even around to defend himself Turns out he was here all along, lurking until his train took out from the station. If he flips scum, I'm looking at you next. I just didn't expect this game to be so high in activity. I gave up on reading the thread and just did a couple searches of my name to see who was talking to me. Since I don't have an important role and I don't think I'll ever be able to catch up with all this, I figure I might as well be lynched first. Even if I'm spared, how will I catch up on these scores of pages? I don't know how I did this in the past, tbh. Do you really think you would be the only one who isn't reading every.single.post Hell, even if you just take a look at a third of the posts in an inconsecutive manner, you could play the game. It's D1. Nobody's perfect
Hmm, I've read up through like page 20, and even then was in maximum skim mode. It's "comforting" in some sense that I'm not alone in this, but I guess I do expect to read every post in games I play, and historically that's what I've done.
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On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum
Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely.
If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta.
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On March 05 2019 05:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely. If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta. I don't give a shit about your meta. You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40
It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man.
I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive.
I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things
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Yeah, I think it was that I saw the most recent vote for mayor was for Palmar when I played my vote, so I just made a vote for Palmar. If someone else is a better choice than Palmar let me know.
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On March 05 2019 05:12 iamperfection wrote:
Kill bh he is full of crap he is scum
This is a much better reason to scumread me! If I'm BSing, I might be scum. You're learning, good.
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On March 05 2019 05:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:07 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well ??? That's completely not my take. Vote bh Dude, there's four hours. I'm fine voting BH but let me do my thing. You're annoying me and you didn't even have the courtesy of answering my question -_-
iamp is mostly doing this to avoid playing, and is trying to claim it's something other than a policy lynch for unclear reasons. I'm still chewing on whether or not he's just bad or he's actually scum who just wants to say "hey who could blame me for this?" when it all plays out. given that it's iamp, both are perfectly plausible.
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On March 05 2019 05:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:13 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely. If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta. I don't give a shit about your meta. You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40 It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man. I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive. I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things Why are you complaining about policy votes when your first pick for mayor has been a guy who's exclusively promised a policy vote
It's not a complaint about a policy vote. I've basically asked to be a policy voted. The thing i'm complaining about is that iamp won't ADMIT that it's a policy vote.
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On March 05 2019 05:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well ??? That's completely not my take. Vote bh Dude, there's four hours. I'm fine voting BH but let me do my thing. You're annoying me and you didn't even have the courtesy of answering my question -_- iamp is mostly doing this to avoid playing, and is trying to claim it's something other than a policy lynch for unclear reasons. I'm still chewing on whether or not he's just bad or he's actually scum who just wants to say "hey who could blame me for this?" when it all plays out. given that it's iamp, both are perfectly plausible. Calling me bad with your play are you on crack
Although my lack of effort and participation in this game are certainly worthy of scorn, it doesn't change the fact that you are inaccurately claiming this isn't a policy lynch. This is a matter of principle!
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On March 05 2019 05:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:16 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:05 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 04:54 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't. Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote. I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are. Lol. Hi pot. Here are my scumreads rn LS Damdred Tictock Trfel I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful LS martyred and gave up. Damdred is lurking somewhere, but I'm trusting ppl who know him better than me to make sense of his uselessness. But he's a lurker. Ticktock didn't seem scummy except for that really bad reentry and fuck off today. But he already said he won't be back before the deadline so if your aim is to have a discussion, maybe read the thread? So the only real "scum read" that follows your own rules is trfel. Great. I actually agree he is scummy as crap. But he actually looks like he's playing, rather than telling us to lynch him. Sure, we could vig BH. Or, being a high profile target who is martyring himself because he can't be bothered to read the thread, we could lynch him dead. And if he flips scum, I agree that the longer BH stays in this thread and doesn't offer any takes the scummier he looks tbh
Hmm self-voting isn't allowed so I'll just vote iamp, since he's bullshitting. Let me know if you think there's a better mayor choice than Palmar, but if his plan is to policy lynch inactive people I gotta give the guy a thumbs up.
##vote iamperfection
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On March 05 2019 05:20 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:18 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:13 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely. If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta. I don't give a shit about your meta. You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40 It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man. I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive. I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things Why are you complaining about policy votes when your first pick for mayor has been a guy who's exclusively promised a policy vote It's not a complaint about a policy vote. I've basically asked to be a policy voted. The thing i'm complaining about is that iamp won't ADMIT that it's a policy vote. Who is scum then. even a player of your limited ability who has played with me before would see it's obvious I'm town
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On March 05 2019 05:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:19 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:13 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely. If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta. I don't give a shit about your meta. You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40 It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man. I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive. I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things Why are you complaining about policy votes when your first pick for mayor has been a guy who's exclusively promised a policy vote Why are you misrepresenting Palmar? At what point in time did Palmar change his opinion
Wait is Palmar promising something other than "I'll lynch a lurker"?
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On March 05 2019 05:21 Vivax wrote:
What's hilarious is that I'd bet that if Palmar is elected mayor, he'll lynch BH who supported him.
I'm fine with that. But I want the majority vote on Trfel.
I too am fine with that! I'm explicitly ok with being policy lynched here. If that's actually his plan I'm gonna stay on him with my mayor vote, in case we actually find and lynch scum instead of me
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On March 05 2019 05:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well ??? That's completely not my take. Vote bh Dude, there's four hours. I'm fine voting BH but let me do my thing. You're annoying me and you didn't even have the courtesy of answering my question -_- iamp is mostly doing this to avoid playing, and is trying to claim it's something other than a policy lynch for unclear reasons. I'm still chewing on whether or not he's just bad or he's actually scum who just wants to say "hey who could blame me for this?" when it all plays out. given that it's iamp, both are perfectly plausible. Aren't you the one encouraging people to lynch you? Lol, if you're gonna throw shade at least committ.
I actually tried to self-vote in the voting thread and was told by the host that it's not allowed
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On March 05 2019 05:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:21 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:19 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:13 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely. If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta. I don't give a shit about your meta. You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40 It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man. I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive. I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things Why are you complaining about policy votes when your first pick for mayor has been a guy who's exclusively promised a policy vote Why are you misrepresenting Palmar? At what point in time did Palmar change his opinion Wait is Palmar promising something other than "I'll lynch a lurker"? Yes. He's promising to lynch sentinel for not reading his role pm.
Hmm, that's fairly reasonable as these things go, but is anyone with any shot at the things running on a "lynch the least active player" type platform? I'd much prefer to vote for a mayor who is doing that.
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On March 05 2019 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:22 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well ??? That's completely not my take. Vote bh Dude, there's four hours. I'm fine voting BH but let me do my thing. You're annoying me and you didn't even have the courtesy of answering my question -_- iamp is mostly doing this to avoid playing, and is trying to claim it's something other than a policy lynch for unclear reasons. I'm still chewing on whether or not he's just bad or he's actually scum who just wants to say "hey who could blame me for this?" when it all plays out. given that it's iamp, both are perfectly plausible. Aren't you the one encouraging people to lynch you? Lol, if you're gonna throw shade at least committ. I actually tried to self-vote in the voting thread and was told by the host that it's not allowed
To be clear, this is the sequence of events:
On March 05 2019 05:18 kitaman27 wrote:Self votes are not allowed.
On March 05 2019 05:21 Blazinghand wrote:
##vote iamperfection
While I'd certainly prefer to vote myself, it's simply not allowed.
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On March 05 2019 05:25 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:24 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:22 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:21 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:19 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 05:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 05:13 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:
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Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely.
If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta. I don't give a shit about your meta. You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40 It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man. I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive. I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things Why are you complaining about policy votes when your first pick for mayor has been a guy who's exclusively promised a policy vote Why are you misrepresenting Palmar? At what point in time did Palmar change his opinion Wait is Palmar promising something other than "I'll lynch a lurker"? Yes. He's promising to lynch sentinel for not reading his role pm. Hmm, that's fairly reasonable as these things go, but is anyone with any shot at the things running on a "lynch the least active player" type platform? I'd much prefer to vote for a mayor who is doing that. If the top of my head that would kill onegu. But maybe there's someone I have forgotten about entirely. Onegu is on track for getting himself modkilled though.
Hmm, if he's actually going to get modkilled, maybe that's actually fine and we can use the mayor lynch on someone else. I recall some pregame talk about not using modkills and instead giving town more ways to clear out inactive players, did anything pan out from that?
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On March 05 2019 05:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:21 Vivax wrote:
What's hilarious is that I'd bet that if Palmar is elected mayor, he'll lynch BH who supported him.
I'm fine with that. But I want the majority vote on Trfel. I too am fine with that! I'm explicitly ok with being policy lynched here. If that's actually his plan I'm gonna stay on him with my mayor vote, in case we actually find and lynch scum instead of me So why repeatedly defend yourself rather than find some scum in the next three and a half hours?
I'm actually fine dying, I just want people to admit it's a policy lynch. Also, I only had a bit of time to play while in mandatory training and will be leaving in a few minutes, and there was no way I want to read 100 pages of this game. It's simply not going to happen.
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Man I should have just gone for the RNG lynch. I forgot how good it was. It gives me something to talk about no matter what. Maybe that would have energized me to get me into this game before it got too big. Seriously underrated concept.
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o7 it has been fun, friends. Sorry I couldn't get energized for this one. I will gladly and proudly eat a D1 policy lynch to help this town, and when we are victorious, we shall know it is due to my great nobility and skill.
On March 05 2019 05:29 Koshi wrote:
rsoultin called me town even though I want to lynch her and was only here for the last x hours where x is not higher than 10 in a 72 hour day 1.
PS. I am bothered so many people just let me be here without more pressure. I was thinking in the car that this would be a great mafia koshi stategy.
heh, I bet I could have gotten away with things if I had just laid down an early vote in my first post then AFKed the rest of D1
Give town a day to clear out some of the chaff (I include myself in hear) and blues to farm up some info and actions, and the field to narrow, and we should see some improvements
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On March 05 2019 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Won't be around for deadline most likely (depends on if patients show) but considering BH as scum often fucks off entirely then makes some bullshit excuse last second to delay things, I'm totes cools with its. Finish catching up later.
hey guys, as it turns out I'm in the process of moving hosue and I have phot- nah i'm just kidding :v
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On March 05 2019 05:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:37 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Won't be around for deadline most likely (depends on if patients show) but considering BH as scum often fucks off entirely then makes some bullshit excuse last second to delay things, I'm totes cools with its. Finish catching up later. hey guys, as it turns out I'm in the process of moving hosue and I have phot- nah i'm just kidding :v 10/10 ploy
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On March 05 2019 05:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:22 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well ??? That's completely not my take. Vote bh Dude, there's four hours. I'm fine voting BH but let me do my thing. You're annoying me and you didn't even have the courtesy of answering my question -_- iamp is mostly doing this to avoid playing, and is trying to claim it's something other than a policy lynch for unclear reasons. I'm still chewing on whether or not he's just bad or he's actually scum who just wants to say "hey who could blame me for this?" when it all plays out. given that it's iamp, both are perfectly plausible. Aren't you the one encouraging people to lynch you? Lol, if you're gonna throw shade at least committ. I actually tried to self-vote in the voting thread and was told by the host that it's not allowed This isn't even true ls self voted lol
host ALSO said that LS's self vote isn't allowed:
On March 05 2019 05:27 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:18 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2019 04:54 Blazinghand wrote:
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Come on, you can't let yourself be beat in terms of "having read things in this game " by me dude lol
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On March 05 2019 06:16 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:22 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 05:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well ??? That's completely not my take. Vote bh Dude, there's four hours. I'm fine voting BH but let me do my thing. You're annoying me and you didn't even have the courtesy of answering my question -_- iamp is mostly doing this to avoid playing, and is trying to claim it's something other than a policy lynch for unclear reasons. I'm still chewing on whether or not he's just bad or he's actually scum who just wants to say "hey who could blame me for this?" when it all plays out. given that it's iamp, both are perfectly plausible. Aren't you the one encouraging people to lynch you? Lol, if you're gonna throw shade at least committ. I actually tried to self-vote in the voting thread and was told by the host that it's not allowed LightningStrike (3): LightningStrike, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels interesting. can mods kill some people ty
On March 05 2019 05:27 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:18 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2019 04:54 Blazinghand wrote:
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Am I the only person who reads the threads or what
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On March 05 2019 06:23 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2019 06:13 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote:
Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on. Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of? Define trying Posting exclusively about how we shouldn’t lynch BH in your last like 5 posts Might want to read that carefully champ. I didn't address you or anyone else. Just Blazinghand.
I actually really appreciate your faith in me and my ability to contribute but I just don't think it's going to happen dude I'm sorry. The best route here is to have a policy lunch on me today so that I don't end up being a major topic of conversation tomorrow. There's simply no way I'm going to go back and read 100 pages of stuff. how many try posting some basic reads at the end of the day if I get some time at work in front of a keyboard with nothing to do but I really don't think that anyting helpful is going to happen there. It's fine to just policy Lynch me here. Obviously in an optimal world I would play well and not get lynched but we don't live in that world
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Should I not be voting Palmer for mayor then
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If koshi is well known to be town and plans to use the mayor Lynch on me why don't we just make him the mayor
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On March 05 2019 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:
If koshi is well known to be town and plans to use the mayor Lynch on me why don't we just make him the mayor
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On March 05 2019 08:03 Vivax wrote:
Mayor should p-lynch BH
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There are two mayor busses, and one mayor wants to lunch the other, instead of me? Why???
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On March 05 2019 08:17 Vivax wrote:
Not this super obvious chickening out cause you overreacted and called BHs lynch more than a plynch and now feel forced to kill him if you don't want to lose your credibility.
Man vivax is on point today yooooo
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On March 05 2019 08:19 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:17 Vivax wrote:
Not this super obvious chickening out cause you overreacted and called BHs lynch more than a plynch and now feel forced to kill him if you don't want to lose your credibility. Blazinghand has claim scum i dont understand how you cant see it. He comes to the thread has says he hasn't read conveniently votes palmar who didnt come into the thread into like page 40 for mayor and gives no scum read and when i blow up him votes me who is already obviously town and would be even more so with him flipping red.
I just saw in the vote thread that someone had mayored palmar and I know he's a skilled player so I hopped on board. Just admit you're policy lynching me, it's fine dude lmao
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Kill me, lunch me, remove me from this game first! Come on, it's good policy! Do it!
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Yes! More votes on me! MORE!
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Kill me now, or mafia will keep me alive to screw up later lunches! Kill me now! Do it!
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On March 05 2019 08:46 ExO_ wrote:
I don't like a lot of the people voting BH though. HM
Yes there's definitely scum on my wagon, and I am in fact town, but I need to be dealt with today. Vote me! It's a good policy lynch.
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On March 05 2019 08:50 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:49 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 08:46 ExO_ wrote:
I don't like a lot of the people voting BH though. HM Yes there's definitely scum on my wagon, and I am in fact town, but I need to be dealt with today. Vote me! It's a good policy lynch. Honestly if you're Vanilla Town you could've fucking tried. Saying "I'm a great policy lynch" is a fucking piece of shit move.
Yeah sorry man, tbh I just saw the length of the game and couldn't get the motivation to read 100 pages. It's simply not happening. Get me out of the way now so I'm not a problen latter. I am aware it's a shitty move of me but this is how it is.
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I'm beating trfel 11-9 for the lynch, whew. Assuming no shennannies I'm gone in 8 minutes. If there are shennannies and I live, mayor, please shoot me obviously
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On March 05 2019 08:53 Acrofales wrote:
Holyflare killing Palmar is a total cop-out. Are we just apathetically coasting our way to killing one of the strongest town assets? It's D.U.M.B. Stop doing it. Should I swap my mayor vote to Palmar then?
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On March 05 2019 08:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:56 Vivax wrote:
I think I'm back to wanting to lynch Trfel Do it.
Please kill me
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Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun!
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Once again, sorry for the poor performance.
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Lmao did this really happen
Sigh
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Why couldn't you butt-hats just kill me and elect Palmar like I wanted
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On March 05 2019 09:38 rsoultin wrote:
not gonna lie...that's so awful it's funny >< lol
True
I still can't believe I couldn't get lynched. Are we going to waste tomorrow lynching me? Gosh, I hope not, vigi me pls
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On March 05 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
Good catches, frick, why would ppl shebnanie *off* me??
Sigh
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Man I really should have just RNGed
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On March 05 2019 09:43 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:42 Blazinghand wrote:
Man I really should have just RNGed the time you have wasted shitting the thread playing like a jester you could have read the thread twice. You are mafia stop posting
Please vigi me
Fuck it's not my fault I didn't die dude, I am on your side, I've actively been trying to get lynched, mayorkilled or vigied! I tried! I'm trying!
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See the problem here is that everyone is assuming that it was scum vs town wagons with me vs trfel, but it's not, we're both town. This analysis is based on a false assumption.
This is why HF should have killed me instead of palm, or a vigi should kill me tonight. Please kill me! Or else our analsys is screwed. Kill me kill me kill me
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Augh this is the worst outcome of them all
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Shoot me! Shoot me tonight! People thinking I'm scum will make bad analysis on the BH vs Trf wagons unless a vigi shoots me tonight! Only a green flip can exonerate me. Vigi, shoot me!
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On March 05 2019 09:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Shoot me! Shoot me tonight! People thinking I'm scum will make bad analysis on the BH vs Trf wagons unless a vigi shoots me tonight! Only a green flip can exonerate me. Vigi, shoot me! Yes yes 
You smile but somehow despite my urging I wasn't lynched yesterday! Augh. Clearly I need to be more explicit
I better not wake up in the morning or I'm going to be mad
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On March 05 2019 10:34 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh you fucking idiots.
You did it.
You blew it up.
[red] Holyflare
Rsoultin
Sentinel
Blazinghand[red/]
More when I get to a computer. im town reading you for this post. sentinal bh seem like locks honestly. I feel like bh wouldnt play this way as town and trying the too scummy to be scum strategy. He mods hundreds of games but decides to ruin game for his own town alignment? nah also he was the counter wagon to trfel and mafia usually defends him here. Rstoulin thought tref was scummy but ended on blazinghand so she might not be scum. other 3 ya
I'm not "too scummy to be scum" I've literally been trying to get killed!!! Augh. This is why I need to be vigied
On March 05 2019 10:34 Holyflare wrote:
does bh not vote to save himself if he's playing on a mafia team?
I tried to vote myself, could not, and I didn't vote trfel even when it was a 1 vote margin!
God again I hate being alive because I have to deal with theSe contorted explanation for how I'm scum
Vigi me pls pls pls
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*waves*
I'm here but
1) haven't read the first 100 pages and will not do so
2) most of the town incorrectly believes I'm scum and is making bad bus analysis in that assumption
3) and also most of the town, including the mayor, decided not to lynch me
4) i am also only here via phone
Other than that I'm ready to chat
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On March 05 2019 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol bh
You and I both know where you belong. I am both incredibly dismayed and infinitely amused that you are still alive.
It's such typical BH fare. How do you fucking do it?
Dude this time I was actually actively trying to get lynched. I asked to be policy lynched! Everyone seemed on board. Hopefully I get vigied overnight.
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On March 05 2019 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 11:41 Mocsta wrote:On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now. [...] CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT This was the most recent vote count at time of posts above. TF = 8, BH = 6, Conv = 4, acro = 4 if BH is scum, this is a great scum buddy post 1) Places non-committal scum read on BH 2) Is an afford to derail BH lynch (who is certainly not known as a hardcore lurker..) 3) No mayor candidate was advocating a BH mayor snipe -> i.e. is guranteed to fall upon deaf ears and receive no traction I also note that Wiggles filter indicates he scum reads Conversion, but instantly drops this for the thread popular Trfel when it comes to saving BH. Overall, extremely hedged posting and likely mafia (alongside with BH) On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel
[...] https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Mr. Wiggles&view=all Preflip association not a great call, but I'll allow it because we need the flip regardless
Associative tells on unflipped players, bus analysis assuming I am scum, etx - vigi, please kill me or we'll have mistaken analysis all day D2
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Even though it's frustrating, it is pretty funny tbh
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On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli?
I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another.
With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar.
Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me.
Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM.
with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel.
with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9:
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, Vivax, rsoultin, Conversion
Trfel (9): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales
You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched.
The last 10 minutes are shenannies:
Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9.
3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie)
2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel.
1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10.
Trfel flips Doctor.
HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop.
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Note that from the POV of scum, these were two competing town wagons.
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Actually you know what, i'm going to analyze this game just ignoring everything that happened before I started martyring. All the interesting stuff has to do with the flips and wagons leading into the deadline, and I was around for that. since I'm getting viged, you can read this after I die and praise my wisdom.
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On March 05 2019 16:42 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli? I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another. With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar. Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me. Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM. with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel. with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9: Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, Vivax, rsoultin, Conversion Trfel (9): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched. The last 10 minutes are shenannies: Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9. 3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie) 2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel. 1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10. Trfel flips Doctor. HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop. An attempted self vote BH? youve changed man! In the world you're pitching to me, where both you and Trfel are town, why are these people switching votes with 1-2 minutes left on the clock at all, rather than just doing nothing?
There's a couple of possibilities.
for vivax and conversion, they might be townies who legitimately think Trfel was suspicious, and in their heart they nullread me and hope I get vigied or mayor-killed. Trfel was whining a lot as the deadline approached, which might have contributed to them dislike him. If they're scum, the last minute shenannies may have been for any reason - perhaps they thought I was sure to be a VT due to my lack of concern with being killed, and Trfel was Blue due to his whining (both of which turn out to be true), or in the case of Scum-Vivax, hoping to look like someone who tried and failed to avert the tragic lynch of town blazinghand since his voteswap didn't actually save me.
For LS, I think he just accepted my martyring as "scum or useless, let's kill him" and realized his vote on rsoultin was doing literally nothing. if he's scum, he might ahve been trying to get onto a main wagon to avoid suspicion for staying out of the main battle.
despite HF's promise to shoot Palmar with the mayor power, maybe they thought he'd use it on me. Maybe (and perhaps correctly) they figured I'd be vigged anyways. maybe they thought my lynch would be boring and provide little info.
And in any case, if you're scum, making a bit fuss out of two competing town wagons can make you look good if you pull it off right, since...
well, imagine you have a theory of "BH is scum, and conversion, his scumbuddy, saved him at the last minute"
In this case, you lynch or vig BH first, because conversion's scum-nature is contingent on mine. And if you're conversion, you know town will think this, and lynch me first, and when I flip town, Conversion is then off the hook. by shenanniying from me onto Trfel, he sets up a Day 2 mislynch, theoretically speaking.
though that's fairly WIFOMey, it's the kind of play I like to do as scum. I'm sure there are others who use it.
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On March 05 2019 17:06 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 16:50 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 16:42 AMG wrote:On March 05 2019 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli? I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another. With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar. Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me. Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM. with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel. with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9: Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, Vivax, rsoultin, Conversion Trfel (9): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched. The last 10 minutes are shenannies: Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9. 3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie) 2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel. 1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10. Trfel flips Doctor. HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop. An attempted self vote BH? youve changed man! In the world you're pitching to me, where both you and Trfel are town, why are these people switching votes with 1-2 minutes left on the clock at all, rather than just doing nothing? There's a couple of possibilities. for vivax and conversion, they might be townies who legitimately think Trfel was suspicious, and in their heart they nullread me and hope I get vigied or mayor-killed. Trfel was whining a lot as the deadline approached, which might have contributed to them dislike him. If they're scum, the last minute shenannies may have been for any reason - perhaps they thought I was sure to be a VT due to my lack of concern with being killed, and Trfel was Blue due to his whining (both of which turn out to be true), or in the case of Scum-Vivax, hoping to look like someone who tried and failed to avert the tragic lynch of town blazinghand since his voteswap didn't actually save me. For LS, I think he just accepted my martyring as "scum or useless, let's kill him" and realized his vote on rsoultin was doing literally nothing. if he's scum, he might ahve been trying to get onto a main wagon to avoid suspicion for staying out of the main battle. despite HF's promise to shoot Palmar with the mayor power, maybe they thought he'd use it on me. Maybe (and perhaps correctly) they figured I'd be vigged anyways. maybe they thought my lynch would be boring and provide little info. And in any case, if you're scum, making a bit fuss out of two competing town wagons can make you look good if you pull it off right, since... well, imagine you have a theory of "BH is scum, and conversion, his scumbuddy, saved him at the last minute" In this case, you lynch or vig BH first, because conversion's scum-nature is contingent on mine. And if you're conversion, you know town will think this, and lynch me first, and when I flip town, Conversion is then off the hook. by shenanniying from me onto Trfel, he sets up a Day 2 mislynch, theoretically speaking. though that's fairly WIFOMey, it's the kind of play I like to do as scum. I'm sure there are others who use it. Yeah thats fairly WIFOM stuff, Ill have to read how the lynch played out myself and get back to you. If you could flip 3 people right now, who are they?
Me, HF, and Conversion would lay clear all the facts about what went down at the end of D1. I think a lot of questions and WIFOM get washed away when HF and conv flip, and doubly so for me - at least from the POV of people who aren't me. Also, flipping me now means our blues get to take better night actions, freeing up a vigi shot for someone else. A lot of the meat of what we need to dig into is what went down as we rolled towards the deadline D1. We know HF killed Palm, who flipped blue, and Conv's vote on Trfel killed Trfel and saved me. Flipping HF and Conv who made these ruinous decisions would lay it all out. Flipping me would also end all this stupid analysis where people assume I'm scum and go from there.
Though it might be wiser to go back through and see who has contributed least and maybe sub them in for one or two of these guys, just because any low activity players you can't get a read on are going to be either scum or a liability in the lategame (since scum won't shoot them obvs)
And really, when it comes down to it, HF should have had his finger on that dial, ready to send in a "actually i'm killing BH" pm to hosts when it was a 1-vote spread between me and Trfel's wagon. I may be the shenanigan king, but lots of people know to stick around the deadline, particularly when things are so close.
Bear in mind, in the final moments leading up to the shenannies, HF is there, in the thread, comming on last minute mafia activity (link) and saying that I am a "secure mafia lynch" (3 minutes before deadline). HF was there, in the thread, when the votes shifted. He watched it happen. He complained about it. He said I was scum.
Bear in mind, if HF truly thinks I was scum, he knew that at that point, the vote was tied 10-10 and I hadn't yet voted! All I had to do was cast a vote on Trfel and Trfel would die and I would live, HF, supposedly thinking i'm scum and in this situation, while we're both in the thread, with minutes to go, who thinks i'm "secure" as mafia, apparently decided to go for Palmar instead.
In the end, HF hung out in the thread, watched the shenannies threaten to kill Trfel over me, tie up the vote with me still not voted on Trfel, then the vote goes onto Trfel and Trfel takes the lead, all while claiming I'm "secure mafia lynch"
if I were in this situation I would be on a hair trigger, ready to take down the "secure mafia lynch" that is only winning by a 1-vote margin in case of shenannies.
He will have many pretty, fancy reasons for why he did this, of course. He may even be town, town is wrong and screws up all the time. The host's vote counts were not very quick and accurate in the final minutes. But them's the things that happened. So yeah, I'd flip him along with me and conv ezpz and we'd see the truth.
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On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
I could see B as a valid reason here, but A is obviously bullshit, HF was in thread as it happened, watched it go down, commented on it, and still lynched Palmar.
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On March 05 2019 18:37 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun. I could see B as a valid reason here, but A is obviously bullshit, HF was in thread as it happened, watched it go down, commented on it, and still lynched Palmar. that and i think the flip took 40 minutes
yep, I was refreshing furiously the whole time. it was a very close race so hosts wanted to be extremely sure. I'd have at least, in HF's shoes, tried sending a PM post-deadline to ask to swap over to Blazinghand as the lynch target, if A was the real reason
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On March 05 2019 20:09 Koshi wrote:
And if anybody asks.
I sheep marv because I love him and because I felt the coolness and awesomeness when he entered the thread.
I wont be posting much more till d4 or d5.
I have enough filter to make a correct call. But I agree that playing townie for 8ish hours is in my mafia range.
wow look at the big brain on this guy
buddy, "play townie all game until the final 3, convince the other two people, both of whom are townies, to vote each other, and win" is in my mafia range
i am a god
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Blazinghand
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On March 05 2019 20:43 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up will go back to bed as I am tired but I will answer a few things: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 13:55 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 13:45 LightningStrike wrote:On March 05 2019 13:21 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 12:59 LightningStrike wrote:On March 05 2019 12:55 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:On March 05 2019 12:50 Tictock wrote:On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao. SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes. Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager. I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used). Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul? On March 05 2019 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home for like 30 minutes I voting Tina I think she's mafia at this point mainly her town around on me and her interactions with Rayn leaves me thinking she's scum. Originally swap to HF because I wasn't feeling the Sent mayor kill anymore but swap back because HF wants to kill Palmar who I think is likely town. TLDR her odd read shifts on me early and her interactions with rayn don't seem to come from Town!Tina from my perspective.(I made that post in on mobile so it did not come out as I wanted to.) If it's not too much trouble, care to point me to one of these interactions? The few interactions between them I saw suggested they were both town to me. The tone didn't feel natural from one end and felt like it's Scum vs Town and this post from Tina seemed a bit forced in my opinion: On March 05 2019 07:32 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ftr sorry HF i think i overreacted and i dont think youre mafia. But i dont like stuff that is not true on me. Also i always talk through people when i think they are mafia or id i think the conversation wont help either party. I didnt overreact on rsoultin. Regardless of what i say she wont change her read because her read is not based on not what i actually write, and i read her town, so no discussion is going to be productive.
Or she is mafia, but i dont believe it. These sorts of posts are why I hope you're mafia, actually. It's irritating as shit when you actively ignore me because I 'won't change my read'. I think if anything can be said of my play it's that I'm not a fucking mindless bulldog, and it's not as if I can even remember a game where I've tunneled the shit out of you when you were either alignment without reconsidering new information. But whatever. Behaving this way will make it difficult for me to see you as town if you are. And if you are, well, I'm really just sad that we apparently can't play this game together anymore and you know what...it's really not because of me. It's hard to describe but this post from Tina seemed like a good excuse for her to have a shit fight with Rayn? One of them definitely is town and the other is mafia on the tone between these posts from each other and in my opinion it's Tina. Anyways going to retire to my bed and when I wake up I will read everything! Yea I actually still get the opposite impression between those 2 posts you quoted. I've seen Rayn many a time bulldog down a scumread of his even when there is tons of evidence that he could be wrong, but since he sees something that colors a person red he will never let it go. Similarly will ignore someone he sees as townie who disagrees since he writes them off in his mind since he has "solved" their alignment. I'd go so far as to say that Rayn often is playing his own game of mafia, called "How right can Rayn be this game" (ok this is a bit unfair, and sorry Rayn, but it's how I perceive it). Rsoul, conversely tends to want to interact with her Town reads to bounce ideas off another person and get a better sense of where he reads should maybe be. I see her as one of a handful of players who actively try to look at both sides of a player, what they might be thinking as town and what they might be thinking as scum. Sometimes when you do this (I do this as well) it becomes hard to decide which PoV is more likely and you wind up bouncing back and forth between these 2 PoV's. That is also why I feel like Wave's case on Rsoul is shit, because that sort of waffely behavior is almost exactly what I tend to expect from a player who thinks like this. So, TLDR: Both are behaving how I'd expect from what I perceive their characters and mind sets to be as town reacting to one another here. To each of their own I guess. Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 14:00 Tictock wrote:
Ok, for real I am out this time as I need to go to bed.
Thank you LS for sharing your views, I think you are wrong, but I am all the more convinced you are like 80-90% town here form that.
Like I said earlier, don't expect shit from me again tomorrow (wont even be home till about this time) but will be around Wednesday. Np on talking to you. Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli? I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another. With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar. Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me. Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM. with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel. with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9: Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, Vivax, rsoultin, Conversion Trfel (9): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched. The last 10 minutes are shenannies: Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9. 3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie) 2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel. 1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10. Trfel flips Doctor. HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop. I swap to you to try to prevent Tfrel's lynch but conversion hammered Tfrel -_- If you had looked in my filter I made it clear I wasn't going to let Trfel get lynched but I failed though when Conversion layed down the hammer on Tfrel while I was on mobile -_-
Your shennannies were noble and you did your best
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On March 06 2019 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:Spamming wanting to die does wonder on the filter size 
I've actually been playing a bit now! But also, yes, please kill me vigi, pls pls pls pls
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On March 06 2019 03:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote:I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun! This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there. Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words". 100% disagree. That would work on other people, but I've witness the guy fake thinking the deadline was 1 hour earlier than it was to fake try starting shennannies. This kind of post is very possible for him even if he's scum. And that costs him nothing, if he dies he dies, if he lives people townread him for it.
Yeah, I'm an extremely good scum player sadly, which includes faking extremely townie last minute death posts, etc. Not even joking here, but when you're as skilled at this game as I am, it's kinda rough.
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On March 06 2019 04:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 03:43 Rels wrote:
lol how the fuck has BH 5 pages of filter Spamming wanting to die does wonder on the filter size I've actually been playing a bit now! But also, yes, please kill me vigi, pls pls pls pls Who is scum then you still haven't said.
if I had two bullets here, I'd shoot myself and HF
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 04:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:20 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 04:18 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 03:43 Rels wrote:
lol how the fuck has BH 5 pages of filter Spamming wanting to die does wonder on the filter size I've actually been playing a bit now! But also, yes, please kill me vigi, pls pls pls pls Who is scum then you still haven't said. if I had two bullets here, I'd shoot myself and HF I'd shoot you twice
thx bb
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On March 06 2019 04:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:20 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 04:18 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 03:43 Rels wrote:
lol how the fuck has BH 5 pages of filter Spamming wanting to die does wonder on the filter size I've actually been playing a bit now! But also, yes, please kill me vigi, pls pls pls pls Who is scum then you still haven't said. if I had two bullets here, I'd shoot myself and HF you didn't answer the question...
HF, obviously
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Blazinghand
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I even wrote a case about the guy!
I would probably filter dive exo and ace as well, if I cared enough to do so, since i think they're both pretty interesting - not necessarily scum, just interesting
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On March 06 2019 04:28 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:27 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 04:26 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2019 04:20 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 04:18 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 03:43 Rels wrote:
lol how the fuck has BH 5 pages of filter Spamming wanting to die does wonder on the filter size I've actually been playing a bit now! But also, yes, please kill me vigi, pls pls pls pls Who is scum then you still haven't said. if I had two bullets here, I'd shoot myself and HF you didn't answer the question... HF, obviously He's the whole team?
No
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ok so is iamp actually town or what, he spent the last couple hours yelling about killing me but not writing any convincing cases. was he just extremely mad and ineffective? Normally I'd just write a case calling him scum but it's a lot of effort and i'm tired
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 04:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 04:28 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:27 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 04:26 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2019 04:20 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 04:18 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 03:43 Rels wrote:
lol how the fuck has BH 5 pages of filter Spamming wanting to die does wonder on the filter size I've actually been playing a bit now! But also, yes, please kill me vigi, pls pls pls pls Who is scum then you still haven't said. if I had two bullets here, I'd shoot myself and HF you didn't answer the question... HF, obviously He's the whole team? No Your having a blast aren't you
It's pretty nice knowing that i only have 4.5 hours left in this game. I can just write about what I want, nobody can actually put pressure on me, because i'm going to be shot anyway. So I'm not under any obligation to do anything than write the cases I feel like, and even if people ignore them now, after I flip town people will give them a read.
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 05:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys we lynching HF because of him killing Palmar over BH who was the opposite wagon of Tfrel was so antitown that I don't think he would do that as Town in that situation. I don't think a town HF is that big of an idiot to use the mayor lynch on a very active Palmar like that.
Also his slipperiness on why he did this. It's not just that he promised, as he now claims, he was previously saying he got caught off guard and couldn't change it in time.
Also pls vigi me
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Blazinghand
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I 💯% promise to do zero work, reading, etc if I live through the night, I will just fuck around all day tomorrow. This burst of effort was temporary. Kill me, vigi, or your mistake will haunt you. Kill me! Kill me!
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On March 06 2019 07:23 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 07:23 Blazinghand wrote:
I 💯% promise to do zero work, reading, etc if I live through the night, I will just fuck around all day tomorrow. This burst of effort was temporary. Kill me, vigi, or your mistake will haunt you. Kill me! Kill me! What if mafia has a doctor?
I don't see that in the OP
On March 06 2019 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:
BH if you do live we want you to do work as a legacy just sayin.
You can want what you want but I'll do nothing regardless. Failing to vigi me would be pretty bad.
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Don't forget about wiggles
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On March 06 2019 08:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote:
In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players. Holyflare where in this does it say that you can’t change your lynch
Oh shit HF!!! Called out!!!!!
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Blazinghand
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I surely am not the least useful player in this game even though I didn't read the first 100 pages
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Blazinghand
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That's the sad thing really. Thankfully I'm out of here in 3 minutes. Heh.
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On March 06 2019 08:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:
That's the sad thing really. Thankfully I'm out of here in 3 minutes. Heh. fat chance
You really think a vigi would be so dumb as to not shoot me? Come on HF
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On March 06 2019 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
BH will live another cycle. Good times.
Pls no
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Blazinghand
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Are you fucking kidding me
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 09:04 Holyflare wrote:mistakes were made Why didn't you shoot me?
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
I think it's safe to say we don't have a vig
Why
Also
##vote: Holyflare
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On March 06 2019 09:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
I think it's safe to say we don't have a vig Why Also ##vote: Holyflare because you're still alive and I'm still alive
So did you get RBed or what
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On March 06 2019 09:22 darthfoley wrote:
Why in the world didn't anyone vig Blazinghand?
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Blazinghand
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HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
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On March 06 2019 09:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me I just wanted to create added deadline tension.
Lmao
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:42 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
If you can find me a game where I haven't done the exact same thing at night as town then you can have your victory BH. So you know you and BH don't share a wincon? Moral victory.
:slanted_thinking_face:
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 10:38 sicklucker wrote:
the only compromise I think I can make is kill bh first. but if bh is town we lose. IF bh is mafia hf is mafia so why not just go straight for the gut
I'm town and HF is mafia
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 10:42 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 10:40 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 10:38 sicklucker wrote:
the only compromise I think I can make is kill bh first. but if bh is town we lose. IF bh is mafia hf is mafia so why not just go straight for the gut and just ignore what I wrote where it's likely we both could be town? Vivax being town doesn't make BH town. His whole play right now is to be seen as wanting to be lynched, so it makes sense that he wouldn't vote to save himself. BH has shown that he has lots of time to contribute if he wants to. If he doesn't then he's giving us no reason not to lynch him.
Yeah I'm playing now but I still am not reading the first 100 pages before I entered the thread for reals, fuck that lol.
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him.
A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today
B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories:
1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do
2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:List of reads. Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler +Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in how is it locked in ? that makes no sense you could have changed I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote:Magic LightningStrike, magic This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
The following players had a win percentage of over .500 since the last update (min 5 games). Nice job.
ritoky 6/6 = 100.0000%
Rels 9/13 = 69.2308%
Tumblewood 6/10 = 60.0000%
Calix 3/5 = 60.0000%
Holyflare 13/22 = 59.0909%
raynpelikoneet 8/15 = 53.3333%
Koshi 9/17 = 52.9412%
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels TownKoshiiamperfection
Town-ishtubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
NullOnegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ishTumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
ScumBlazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote:
What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said On March 06 2019 04:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 04:02 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath. You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... . Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread. I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief. You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic. l2r That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO.
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened.
Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 18:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:27 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories: 1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town That's not true at all. You're in the perfect information spot. People were scum reading the conversion slot and vivax's alignment hasn't been determined and they were the ones that specifically saved you. If you were mafia then their alignments would be clear but if you're town then it's just two people doing stupid shenanigans at the last second for no reason. You would know the alignment of both wagons, you know how mafia plays if you're both town wagons in this situation. They avoid looking bad, throw up hesitation, sit back and do nothing and yet you've provided nothing to reveal any of this to anyone. People that think you are scum think so because you've pretty much done nothing but ask people to lynch you. You're supposed to be the bastion of good play in this forum but you did the quintessential anti town thing of trying to vote yourself and knowingly creating confusion. What kind of role model are you that you'd rather forfeit your most important weapon, if you are town, because you couldn't be bothered to play? I'm heavily disappointed in you BH but I can't say I'm surprised in the slightest.
I mean, I apologized for the poor play when I thought I was being lynched, but that could easily have been a gambit, just as your crocodile tears are here. If you're legitimately disappointed, let's talk about it post game, other wise shut up asshole.
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Blazinghand
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On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:List of reads. Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler +Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in how is it locked in ? that makes no sense you could have changed I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote:Magic LightningStrike, magic This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
The following players had a win percentage of over .500 since the last update (min 5 games). Nice job.
ritoky 6/6 = 100.0000%
Rels 9/13 = 69.2308%
Tumblewood 6/10 = 60.0000%
Calix 3/5 = 60.0000%
Holyflare 13/22 = 59.0909%
raynpelikoneet 8/15 = 53.3333%
Koshi 9/17 = 52.9412%
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels TownKoshiiamperfection
Town-ishtubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
NullOnegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ishTumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
ScumBlazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote:
What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said On March 06 2019 04:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 04:02 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath. You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... . Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread. I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief. You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic. l2r That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO.
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened.
Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
Unlike your worthless crowing about my upstanding example I'm supposed to set, the fact that you did a bad mayor lynch D1 is in fact relevant here.
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On March 06 2019 18:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+ I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. He had to drop out. Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi. Well at least he's confirmed town now This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. .... That is why he thought it was a mod confirm? Seriously?
Sigh, this is not mod confirmation of alignment. As always people abuse the term.
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I'm up to 210 now and I hope you all are thankful I'm actually reading but this thread is growing almost as fast as I'm reading it. Anything I should keep an eye open for?
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On March 07 2019 02:52 Rels wrote:
now, BH needs to go, and I don't know if I can be convinced otherwise. He has played the "too sculmmy to be scum" so obviously I hate that he's not receiving more attention today. All the arguments I've seen for him being town seem stupid. I know rsoul had some against him being scum, and HF had too I think; I'll find them and explain why I thought they were stupid
To be honest, aside from not participating at all D1 and martyring heavily for the first 96 hours of the game (72 hours of hoping to be lynched, 24 of hoping to be shot) I'm not sure how what I did was scummy. I know this sounds a lot like "aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" but I think my votes for mayor and the lynch yesterday show that I wasn't scum: Think about how easily I could have saved myself if I was scum, knowing Trfel was town, in a way that wouldn't implicate any scumbuddies - and think about how I voted for Palmar for mayor, not HF. I'll admit I didn't exactly cover myself in glory D1, and I spend most of N1 trying to get shot by a vigi, mostly to avoid this situation. But at the very least I've made some reasonable observations (about exo and ace, for example) and laid out the bare bones of a case against HF that I actually think is still strong at this moment. To be honest, even just keeping up with the current thread is an incredible pain in the ass.
Part of what we've observed today is that the usual train of "people stop by and sheep a wagon and vote" hasn't materialized even now, halfway into the day - a dozen players still haven't voted. I think at least part of the reason is how spammy this game is. Even for me, someone who was, back in his day, a high-activity spammy player, this is daunting to keep up with, and I am guessing that plenty of townies (surely scum, but also townies!) are in that nonvoter pile just because of the absolute deluge of activity going on here. Consider this rso post commiserating with TT about just keeping up with this thread:
On March 07 2019 02:56 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, dude, I can totally sympathize with this >< Every year I try this game again and every year I remember why I don't play anymore. Some parts of it are super fun but a lot of it is frustrating as hell.
Whether or not you think rsoultin and TT are town, I think this observation about how people treat each other and the level of activity required to be considered active and be caught up in the thread is actually a problem for this game.
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On March 07 2019 03:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:27 Holyflare wrote:At least we gather some vote d1 vote swap information. The conversion slot, the one that saved BH for no discernible reason (as well as Vivax I guess) was town. If Vivax is town, he's in a great spot to know that there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town. On March 06 2019 09:10 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: BH He's auto voted BH though so he's probably not that smart. This seems stupid to me. BH knows he's gonna be lynched when he begins shitting the thread with all the "policy me!" posts. Mafia had time to discuss and prepare for it. Some probably voted him, some probably didn't, whatever, I don't think any kind of vote analysis will be very strong after the moment BH starts martyring. Now after that, scum are always pretty unlikely do switch at deadline. That attracts attention, and scum does not like attention. Now it depdends on the player ofc, but most won't switch at deadline, even to save a partner. Add to that that BH is not even a strong player worth saving, and knows he's gonna get lynched sooner or later. So in my mind, this part is stupid: "there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town".
I think I've actually only been mislynched once or twice in my career on TL Mafia. I may not be a particularly accurate catcher of scum, but historically I would put up a hell of a fight as town if people tried to lynch me.
On March 07 2019 03:15 Vivax wrote:
You cannot lynch Holyflare for behaviour, lynch him for facts.
In my eyes he killed a supertownie massive asset to the town I've been begging everyone to make mayor before he even started playing and you don't need more.
He also factually did this after shenanigans saved me! If I'm town, he did it to set up a D2 mislynch, and if I'm scum, he did it to save his scumbuddy! He's scum either way!
He also factually fakeclaimed vigi...
On March 07 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:15 Vivax wrote:
You cannot lynch Holyflare for behaviour, lynch him for facts.
In my eyes he killed a supertownie massive asset to the town I've been begging everyone to make mayor before he even started playing and you don't need more. If you killed me on facts I'd be lynched as town in almost every game you pleb.
"As town, I play in a way that is factually bad. Also, this makes vivax the pleb, not me. As you can see, playing bad and helping the scumteam actually makes me town, not scum." - Holyflare
On March 07 2019 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to my reasons and all the filter diving anyone could want when I get home from work.
That is a Wave promise™.
In the meantime---hey Vivax. The people trying to deflect from HF---all scum?
If HF is town he is likely a huge goal from scum today. Any reasons why scum would try to blow up what could be considered a near-sure thing that they don't need to put any effort into?
I think plenty of people trying to deflect from HF are town, personally. It's not clear to me that scum would stick their neck out for him at this point. In fact, I bet there's plenty of scum who are in the dozen people who haven't voted today, because why not hang out there?
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On March 07 2019 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly think we need BH to be flipped so we got every piece of info regarding the D1 wagons. If it was TvT EoD then mafia had free reign probably laughed their asses off. If it was TvS well there could be someone bussing him and a few people being on Tfrel to ensure that he will live.
See this is part of why I asked people to vig me last night (the other part being wanting to be free of this terrible game). Tons of people are doing associative tells on an unflippped player (me) which is almost always a terrible idea. People are writing analysis predicated on me being scum. It woudl be nice if every time someone did this, they also wrote a similar analysis of the "and if BH is town, it be like this" variety so that when I do flip we haven't all wasted our time.
On March 07 2019 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 04:17 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2019 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:just got home I didn't do anything this morning because well I had homework that I had to do. Some question that I need to answer: On March 06 2019 14:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 14:03 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 13:59 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 13:56 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Me and iamp were against Holyflare lynch D2, marv was on the fence (afaik his late night filter suggests so). Why does Holyflare shoot 2/3 people who are vocal and defend him D2? Who knows it's WIFOM tbh. Like Isaid Marv is killed becaause he's marv but the iamp kill suggests someone who knows him pretty well. Why is that? Because the majority of us never played with iamp before or least from what I gathered or at least a good chunk of us haven't played with iamp before hence why Ithink the kill suggests someone on the scum team knows how good iamp is. What the fuck does that matter when not a single person in the game scumreads him and the people who have played with him tell everyone he is a very strong town player?!?!? Could be a blend kill as well it's pure WIFOM honestly not wantign to deal with it tonight as I am going to bed. Will deal with the NK WIFOM tomorrow after class I got class and the morning and do VCA too! Jesus christ, why don't you save the VCA until you know what Blazinghand is...? What can you possibly get from a fucking VCA when you don't even know if we were voting tvt or svt? Maybe it is best to save VCA until we get BH flipped but it would be easier to start coloring people. On March 07 2019 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hmm here's a question.
Lightningstrike you repeated about 100 times that 'I have your axe' yesterday, but I don't be seein' no axe.
Acro's immediate vote drop is what I expected from you. What gives? NK wifom is making my head spin with BH being alive. On March 07 2019 01:03 Acrofales wrote:
I do really like what rsoultin is showing today. I have no idea how a scum rsoultin plays today, but she isn't lurking and she isn't blending. She's doing her own thing, reading the thread. My night read on her may be wrong.
she has played here a lot. Who can I ask about her meta? I really dislike that it doesn't feel like she was pushing anything, and how she ended up on the kill Palmar wagon.
I need some help. If rsoultin can metaread LS so easily, I assume the reverse is true too?
@LS: what do you think of rsoultin? From your filter it looks like you scum her, but it isn't clear why. Scum because her fight with rayn felt TvS honestly tone wise it felt like. Plus her read shifts was read on me felt a bit weird especially because I would of thought her husband would of told her about Cell Millionaire being the game I broke my emotion meta. Also her EoD was extremely weird she somehow ended up from wanting to lynch Trfel to wanting to lynch BH all within like 2 hours EoD. I'm town LS. If you've got questions for me, ask. I'm no longer likely to curse at you for calling my getting upset at rayn fake lol >< re: what my husband tells me, he does not share the details of every game he hosts(?) with me nor would I remember if he did, and if he were playing this game we'd be playing as RtaniSoul Truffle's posts at EoD seemed towny to me full stop. You can believe that comes from scum or not, up to you. Any other issues, questions? What you think of EoD in terms of like spread of the mafia votes on the following scnerios: If BH is Town? If BH is Scum?
yeah basically what this guy said
On March 07 2019 04:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:On March 07 2019 04:17 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2019 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:just got home I didn't do anything this morning because well I had homework that I had to do. Some question that I need to answer: On March 06 2019 14:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 14:03 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 13:59 LightningStrike wrote:On March 06 2019 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 13:56 LightningStrike wrote:
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Who knows it's WIFOM tbh. Like Isaid Marv is killed becaause he's marv but the iamp kill suggests someone who knows him pretty well. Why is that? Because the majority of us never played with iamp before or least from what I gathered or at least a good chunk of us haven't played with iamp before hence why Ithink the kill suggests someone on the scum team knows how good iamp is. What the fuck does that matter when not a single person in the game scumreads him and the people who have played with him tell everyone he is a very strong town player?!?!? Could be a blend kill as well it's pure WIFOM honestly not wantign to deal with it tonight as I am going to bed. Will deal with the NK WIFOM tomorrow after class I got class and the morning and do VCA too! Jesus christ, why don't you save the VCA until you know what Blazinghand is...? What can you possibly get from a fucking VCA when you don't even know if we were voting tvt or svt? Maybe it is best to save VCA until we get BH flipped but it would be easier to start coloring people. On March 07 2019 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hmm here's a question.
Lightningstrike you repeated about 100 times that 'I have your axe' yesterday, but I don't be seein' no axe.
Acro's immediate vote drop is what I expected from you. What gives? NK wifom is making my head spin with BH being alive. On March 07 2019 01:03 Acrofales wrote:
I do really like what rsoultin is showing today. I have no idea how a scum rsoultin plays today, but she isn't lurking and she isn't blending. She's doing her own thing, reading the thread. My night read on her may be wrong.
she has played here a lot. Who can I ask about her meta? I really dislike that it doesn't feel like she was pushing anything, and how she ended up on the kill Palmar wagon.
I need some help. If rsoultin can metaread LS so easily, I assume the reverse is true too?
@LS: what do you think of rsoultin? From your filter it looks like you scum her, but it isn't clear why. Scum because her fight with rayn felt TvS honestly tone wise it felt like. Plus her read shifts was read on me felt a bit weird especially because I would of thought her husband would of told her about Cell Millionaire being the game I broke my emotion meta. Also her EoD was extremely weird she somehow ended up from wanting to lynch Trfel to wanting to lynch BH all within like 2 hours EoD. I'm town LS. If you've got questions for me, ask. I'm no longer likely to curse at you for calling my getting upset at rayn fake lol >< re: what my husband tells me, he does not share the details of every game he hosts(?) with me nor would I remember if he did, and if he were playing this game we'd be playing as RtaniSoul Truffle's posts at EoD seemed towny to me full stop. You can believe that comes from scum or not, up to you. Any other issues, questions? What you think of EoD in terms of like spread of the mafia votes on the following scnerios: If BH is Town? If BH is Scum? I don't know that it would be any different tbh if BH is scum suiciding vs. town. Maybe more scum on BH trying to get cred if he's scum. If they're both town mafia in the off-wagon votes is more likely. This is kind of basic mafia 101 though not sure what you think you'll learn from this question.
"two competing wagons neck and neck at the end of D1" is actually pretty different in TvS vs TvT, and wagon analysis for either is different in both those situations.
On March 07 2019 04:28 Acrofales wrote:+ Show Spoiler [rage at technology] +Oh FOR FUCK'S SAKE. I had this all written out and then I closed the tab. Had to write it all again. I even fished through the memorydump from Chrome and recovered some pieces, but it was piecemeal and scattered  See spoiler for tech foibles. This took me longer than I thought, and I thought it would take a while. Anyway, here are the two main reasons there is no doubt that Holyflare is scum: Exhibit A: the "locked in" waffleFirst, lets establish the timeline. Your honor, we need to establish that holyflare was on the scene! 00:57: 00:58: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:58 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 08:58 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2019 08:56 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 08:55 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2019 08:53 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 08:50 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 08:42 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2019 08:37 Koshi wrote:
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I think you are mafia and I told you why.
Disconnect in every other post you made. That is enough. Show me the disconnects, that's simply not true. I already explained the two disconnects that exist. If you show me more I can explain them too, nothing even has merit except for those two. @Holyflare, I'd take another look at Fecalfeast and Mocsta. Mocsta's play felt honest and genuine to me, admittedly he hasn't done much but I don't think that's mafia indicative. I know that Fecalfeast enjoys playing scum (heck he has one of the highest mafia winrates on the site) and he's relaxed and carefree as mafia, IIRC he's more relaxed and carefree and fun-loving as mafia than town. As mafia he plays to exist and survive, not to push stuff, and that's exactly what he is doing here. Otherwise, just please don't start a big fight between you and raynnpelikoneet or anyone else that causes massive tunnels. Can you explain the mocsta progression on Palmar then? How can he go from so rage-y and agreeing with my posts against Palmar to suddenly voting Conversion with palmar and agreeing like nothing had happened? Huh. To be honest I couldn't tell you. I guess never mind me then, I'm still not really convinced he's mafia but I couldn't (and wouldn't) stop anyone who said otherwise. You and Exo You guys need to explain your scumread on me But I don't have a scumread on you? I'm just trusting Holyflare. The whole saving me thing and all. Why are you voting to lynch me then? I'm not? Unless you mean voting Holyflare for mayor, because I trust him to do the right thing. And I kinda expect he won't kill you, but I probably shouldn't say that, it makes him more likely to. But you asked. I've re-submitted my lynch to Palmar from Palmar. 00:59: 01:00: 01:10: So we've established beyond reasonable doubt that Holyflare was on the scene and, if he had wanted to, could have sent a PM to kita asking to kill BH instead of Palmar. Now, your honor, I submit that Holyflare never wanted to change. This does not make him scum (well, it does, but he can wifom his way out of this). What makes him scum is him prevaricating about changing. Post-flip he gets pressured a bit and says: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in But he was right there the whole time. He knew BH was not getting lynched. He even got PM'd by the hosts about it: Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 19:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 18:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:List of reads. Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler +Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in how is it locked in ? that makes no sense you could have changed I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote:Magic LightningStrike, magic This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
The following players had a win percentage of over .500 since the last update (min 5 games). Nice job.
ritoky 6/6 = 100.0000%
Rels 9/13 = 69.2308%
Tumblewood 6/10 = 60.0000%
Calix 3/5 = 60.0000%
Holyflare 13/22 = 59.0909%
raynpelikoneet 8/15 = 53.3333%
Koshi 9/17 = 52.9412%
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels TownKoshiiamperfection
Town-ishtubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
NullOnegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ishTumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
ScumBlazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote:
What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said On March 06 2019 04:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 04:02 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath. You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... . Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread. I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief. You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic. l2r That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO.
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened.
Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything. You keep bringing this up as if it means something to us. There's gonna be some host wifom here, but not a lot: 1. I know Kita and dandel and don't think they're dicks. If you PM'd them after the vote shenanigans and said you wanted to kill BH, I'll believe they'd allow it. So based on that I believe the PM was never sent. And the PM you will show us post-game is your role PM saying you win with scum. 2. If this were true, and Kita didn't let you change the target, why'd we have to drag it out of you? It would literally be the first thing out of mouth post-flip: "shit, tried to change it, but wasn't allowed to". It would even have made sense with your "I didn't kill Palmar" post. But you didn't say anything. You didn't even say anything when called out on your troll post. This "I tried to change it but couldn't" narrative only came wayyyyy later. In fact, your whole behavior around the flip is what makes me quite sure you're scum: first the troll post makes it clear you aren't worried about your decision. Then the flip and the feels there are that you are gloating. Not shocked at how wrong you were and killed a fellow town leader. On March 05 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
You guys knew what you were voting for :D Go die, scum. No, they're not dicks. I PMd them to lynch Palmar on the flight home. When the flip happened kita PMd me saying palmar is now the lynch. I probably could have PMd saying that I'd rather switch to BH and probably should have but: A) i thought the flip was literally going to happen straight away B) I was too tired to even care C) I wanted to lynch palmar anyway You don't have to care about these series of events but if what it takes is cheating to make people actually play the game and talk about scum reads that aren't me I'm not above doing it. There's no banlist and it's the last game ever. Maybe then you'd actually have to produce some content that isn't rhetoric about lynching me. + Show Spoiler [more hedging] +On March 06 2019 05:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 05:54 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 05:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys we lynching HF because of him killing Palmar over BH who was the opposite wagon of Tfrel was so antitown that I don't think he would do that as Town in that situation. I don't think a town HF is that big of an idiot to use the mayor lynch on a very active Palmar like that. Also his slipperiness on why he did this. It's not just that he promised, as he now claims, he was previously saying he got caught off guard and couldn't change it in time. Also pls vigi me This is true and I will prove it, just after the game. On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:List of reads. Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler +Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in how is it locked in ? that makes no sense you could have changed I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote:Magic LightningStrike, magic This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
The following players had a win percentage of over .500 since the last update (min 5 games). Nice job.
ritoky 6/6 = 100.0000%
Rels 9/13 = 69.2308%
Tumblewood 6/10 = 60.0000%
Calix 3/5 = 60.0000%
Holyflare 13/22 = 59.0909%
raynpelikoneet 8/15 = 53.3333%
Koshi 9/17 = 52.9412%
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels TownKoshiiamperfection
Town-ishtubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
NullOnegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ishTumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
ScumBlazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote:
What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game. Kill the policy lynch, continue playing. On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said On March 06 2019 04:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 04:02 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath. You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... . Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread. I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief. You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic. l2r That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO.
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened.
Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything. On March 06 2019 08:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 08:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote:
In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players. Holyflare where in this does it say that you can’t change your lynch Can we just fucking drop this and I will prove it to you after the game? So we have Holyflare claiming he would absolutely 100% have changed his vote, but he couldn't. We have no evidence pointing to say that he couldn't. And we have Holyflare claiming that he didn't want to change his vote anyway. We also have him claiming he was too tired, despite not going to bed until at least 2 hours later: So Holyflare is just throwing reasons around for why he ended up killing Palmar, and definitely can't keep is story straight. What is it? Was it locked in? Or did he not even try? Don't bother answering, as the answer doesn't really matter. The point of this exchange is that holyflare was waffling. And when he got caught wafffling, he started to mix up the story. This is because the entire story was made up in the first place. Holyflare never had the slightest intent of switching to him, as exhibited by the timeline above. Holyflare was here and active, and was even trolling us about killing or not killing Palmar. Which brings us to exhibit B. Exhibit B: the post-flip victory danceYour honor, I call my first witness Dr. P. S. Ychologist. Now bear with me, this will be a bit long. But at the end it will be demonstrated beyond a doubt that the motive for killing Palmar can only come from mafia. Dr. Ychologist, what do you think of Holyflare's personality? "Well, I don't know the young man very well, but everything I have seen about him is that he suffers from the narcissistic egomaniac syndrome" Ah. And what does this mean? "It means that he cannot fathom that the world does not revolve around him. He cannot be wrong, nor can it be that someone else is perhaps held in higher esteem at any point. I would like to add that this is being generous. If the young man is perchance not an egomaniac then there is absolutely no way we could possibly explain his behaviour as upright. Egomania is a serious disorder, but not necessarily mafia." Okay, so you believe holyflare's mindset is that of a mafioso, despite his disorder, and not because of it. "That is correct." Right. But why? "Well, let us imagine we are the young accused. It is almost flip time and the mayor vote cannot possibly elude him. He is feeling empowered, ya? He is the king of town, and he has found a scum Palmar." Wait. As an egomaniac does he care that Palmar is scum? Or does he only care that Palmar was a competitor? "We have questioned the accused, and present the transcripts. There is no doubt about his claims: he says he believed the victim to be a mafioso" Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did. This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia. You're scumming me, but I literally did that. On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all. I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case: On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way. I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it? Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing. His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game. None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt: On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing! And this one is blatantly false: On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value. Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense. So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday. Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF. This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest: On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote:
HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s) ? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away. This happened with: Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it. Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while). I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar: A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either. I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun. Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) "When further pressed upon this matter he let there be no doubt he absolutely believed Palmar to be a mafioso at the time" Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 23:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did. This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia. You're scumming me, but I literally did that. On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all. I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case: On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way. I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it? Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing. His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game. None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt: On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing! And this one is blatantly false: On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value. Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense. So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday. Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF. This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest: On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote:
HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s) ? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away. This happened with: Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it. Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while). I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar: A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either. I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun. Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) The former is literally after the lynch happened. The latter is a list post half an hour before the lynch when you've been harping on about Palmar all day. Both are a posteriori justifications rather than actually engaging him. And in particular the latter about when Palmar started scumhunting is quite blatantly false. But we can argue about that until we're both blue in the face, because you'll probably just "no true Scotsman" his scumhunting, just like rayn just did. No, it is not false. I called Palmar out with the original paragraph where I said I wanted to lynch him, with which you even explicitly said you agreed with. Then Palmar started scum hunting and I thought everything he said was scummy. Also how have I not interacted with Palmar? Almost everything in my list post case is because I interacted with Palmar to make him elaborate on those mistakes. Unless now you're adding another reason that me being on holiday and not formulating everything into one central place until I actually had time to on a PC is scummy? So there is no doubt this was not just done for the lolz? "No. Even though the lolz might have figured into the kill. He claims he was doing it in order to rid Liquidia of scum" This seems like a very noble deed. But it is not true, is it? "Unfortunately not. To see why, we need to analyse the young man's behaviour when the deed was done. The accused was cocky. He was even --- what do the kids these days call it? --- trolling. Let us be charitable and attribute this to the young man being extremely certain he was murdering a mafioso." Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:58 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 08:58 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2019 08:56 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 08:55 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2019 08:53 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 08:50 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 08:42 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2019 08:37 Koshi wrote:
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I think you are mafia and I told you why.
Disconnect in every other post you made. That is enough. Show me the disconnects, that's simply not true. I already explained the two disconnects that exist. If you show me more I can explain them too, nothing even has merit except for those two. @Holyflare, I'd take another look at Fecalfeast and Mocsta. Mocsta's play felt honest and genuine to me, admittedly he hasn't done much but I don't think that's mafia indicative. I know that Fecalfeast enjoys playing scum (heck he has one of the highest mafia winrates on the site) and he's relaxed and carefree as mafia, IIRC he's more relaxed and carefree and fun-loving as mafia than town. As mafia he plays to exist and survive, not to push stuff, and that's exactly what he is doing here. Otherwise, just please don't start a big fight between you and raynnpelikoneet or anyone else that causes massive tunnels. Can you explain the mocsta progression on Palmar then? How can he go from so rage-y and agreeing with my posts against Palmar to suddenly voting Conversion with palmar and agreeing like nothing had happened? Huh. To be honest I couldn't tell you. I guess never mind me then, I'm still not really convinced he's mafia but I couldn't (and wouldn't) stop anyone who said otherwise. You and Exo You guys need to explain your scumread on me But I don't have a scumread on you? I'm just trusting Holyflare. The whole saving me thing and all. Why are you voting to lynch me then? I'm not? Unless you mean voting Holyflare for mayor, because I trust him to do the right thing. And I kinda expect he won't kill you, but I probably shouldn't say that, it makes him more likely to. But you asked. I've re-submitted my lynch to Palmar from Palmar. Now let us skip forward to after young Palmar tragically bled out in the streets of Liquidia and his blood ran blue. The accused responded with: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
You guys knew what you were voting for :D There is no surprise. No remorse. No self-doubt. Now this could have been explained from a deceipted townsman if he had claimed he was doing it, as they say 'for the lulz'. It would even fit his egomaniac personality to do it only for this reason. But that is not what the accused has claimed. So let us put ourselves in his shoes for a second: he has been voted 'the blade of Liquidia' and in front of him stands the evil Palmar, lord of scumsters united. He thrusts his blade straight into Palmar's heart and a spurt of blue blood streams out as Palmar yells, with his dying breath + Show Spoiler [I'm a cop you idiot] +The instinctive reaction of an upright townie who truly believed that Palmar was scum, regardless of narcissism, would be shock, disbelief, remorse. Yet none of that is evident in the accused's reaction. He seems... self-satisfied" Self-satisfied? "Yes. He doesn't blame himself. He immediately shifts the blame to "those who voted for him". Moreover, he is happy about it, as evidenced by his smiling laugh. This is not the look of a man devastated by his bad choice. This is the look of a man who has pulled off the caper of a century, yet has to somehow dissimulate it all as a big mistake." Aha. So there is no way this could just be egomaniacal pride about having shiv'd Palmar for the lulz? "It is my informed opinion that that is not possible. He is fully aware that he looks guilty as all hell, yet is somehow still flippant about it: Combine this with his insistance that he was scumreading Palmar all game, and it just doesn't add up." Thank you very much for your help, Dr. Ychologist. The prosecution rests their case. We deem it shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that holyflare murdered Palmar with mafioso intentions, and we request the maximum penalty: death by lynching.
Yeah, HF was definitely in thread, watched it go down, complained about it going down as it went down, then did all the stuff he did right after the flip and had his questionable stories etc. This is known. I think I cover it pretty concisely here:
On March 05 2019 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli? I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another. With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar. Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me. Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM. with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel. with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9: Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, Vivax, rsoultin, Conversion Trfel (9): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched. The last 10 minutes are shenannies: Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9. 3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie) 2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel. 1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10. Trfel flips Doctor. HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop.
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On March 07 2019 05:09 Vivax wrote:
Its funny I asked kita how the mayor mechanic works, and well... Mayor basically has the power to delay the night post until he locks in his target.
Why doesnt someone greentext it and see what he says?
The post in question:
On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote:
In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.
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On March 07 2019 05:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 05:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
From reading the blue text, my understanding is that the mayor’s lynch is locked in when the night post happens so any time before that it could’ve been changed No, mayor literally can not submit anything, look at whos being lynched, and then make his decision.
I think it's pretty clear that HF could have chosen to mayor-kill me and decided not to do so. His lies and misdirections to cover this up are just that: lies.
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On March 07 2019 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
While we're somewhat onthe good feels train right now, I hope that most people if not everyone feels the same way as me in that a lot of the toxicity that has/had come to be a part of TL mafia and a big part of why I quit hasn't been present in this game.
Egos, arguing, yelling, sure. But that's a part of the game. The escalation and hurt feelings I think have been missing and I'd love to see that continued.
Wp so far everyone.
Same, minus HF being a complete piece of garbage to me. I'm glad he's scum and just doing it for effect, rather than honestly being so terrible.
On March 07 2019 07:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote:You may not like me in this game, you may think I'm mafia, you may think I'm town. None of those things do I care about. This is the information you have that is the most important thing in this game:
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar
You had a vote on a guy that literally trolls for a mafia career telling us to lynch him and the vote was so close somehow that our doctor got lynched instead of him. That leaves some serious question marks hovering around, we have absolutely imperfect information that can easily be solved by either BH playing a game of mafia or lynching him and figuring it out. If you can think of any reason not to lynch this guy to further your information gain today please let me know. I'm mainly looking at: Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion, Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley, Damdred, Tictock, BloodyC0bbler, Ace, Meapak_Ziphh, Pandain, Rels, Chezinu, Onegu These people didn't vote for BH (didn't even realise Koshi didn't, what a travesty). I think it's best to look into them first because BH would have been such an easy no qualms mislynch if he was town I don't think there should be any hesitation to lynch him from them. Which is suspicious as to why they did not and instead afkd on really pointless wagons or Trfel. Im stupid. Spell it out to me if im 5 years old. If BH flips red what alignments are revealed out of that pool? If BH flips town what alignments are revealed out of that pool?
+1 town point to the mocster here
On March 07 2019 07:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Onegu
Fecalfeast
Holyflare
LightningStrike
Blazinghand
Tictock
Oatsmaster
WaveofShadow
Tumblewood
sicklucker
Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Damdred
Chezinu
Jockmcplop
ExO_
Vivax
[UoN]Sentinel
Grackaroni
rsoultin
tubesock
Pandain replaced by AMG
darthfoley
Mocsta
Meapak_Ziphh
Mr. Wiggles
BloodyC0bbler
Ace
Alakaslam
Rels
This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.
I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for. Pandain is a good lynch option for today. AMG has been a disappointment so far -> Especially as a replacement and factoring in playstyle difference to Marv. Btw dipshit. you realise Im the one who started the ace wagon that you agree will flip red. fuck off with the mediocre.
I actually have a lot of sympathy for AMG here. He replaced into a game with 100+ pages, and now we're at 200+ pages, and he barely got caught up if that on the first 100 pages, even with my summary. I've basically abandoned looking back on the first half of the game - i literally haven't read those pages even once. Now, AMG could easily be scum here! Scum would love to use this excuse, after all. But let's not pretend he should have been able to jump in ezpz
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Players sorted by filter length in pages:
Pages - Player
1 - AMG
2 - darthfoley
2 - Ace, Onegu
3 - Damdred, ExO_, tubesock, BloodyC0bbler
4 - Ticktock, Tumblewood, [UoN]Sentinel, Meapak_Ziphh, Mr. Wiggles, Rels
6 - FecalFeast, sicklucker, jockmcplop, grackaroni, Mocsta
7 - Blazinghand, Chezinu
10 - Vivax
11 - raynpelikoneet
12 - LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Alakaslam
13 - Oatsmaster, Acrofales
17 - rsoultin
24 - Holyflare
Players who have made no content-containing posts today:
Ace (last post about 24h ago)
Damdred (one post 12 hours ago saying he'll catch up)
ExO_ (last post was about 48h ago)
Ace hasn't posted since N1
Sentinel is borderline, he made 4 posts right around day start then dipped
AMG made 2 posts at day start, extremely terse
Darthfoley made a single post at day strart asking why I wasn't vigged
I'm not saying all the lurkers are scum or town or anything. But now we know who, where, and when. Don't townread me for this, or scumread me for this, this isn't analysis, just gathering facts.
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On March 07 2019 11:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 02:52 Rels wrote:
now, BH needs to go, and I don't know if I can be convinced otherwise. He has played the "too sculmmy to be scum" so obviously I hate that he's not receiving more attention today. All the arguments I've seen for him being town seem stupid. I know rsoul had some against him being scum, and HF had too I think; I'll find them and explain why I thought they were stupid To be honest, aside from not participating at all D1 and martyring heavily for the first 96 hours of the game (72 hours of hoping to be lynched, 24 of hoping to be shot) I'm not sure how what I did was scummy. Well, this is what you did p:
The sentence afterwards references "Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play" so yes congrats on making an observation that i literally made in that part you cropped out of my post
On March 07 2019 11:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 03:06 Rels wrote:On March 06 2019 09:27 Holyflare wrote:At least we gather some vote d1 vote swap information. The conversion slot, the one that saved BH for no discernible reason (as well as Vivax I guess) was town. If Vivax is town, he's in a great spot to know that there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town. On March 06 2019 09:10 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: BH He's auto voted BH though so he's probably not that smart. This seems stupid to me. BH knows he's gonna be lynched when he begins shitting the thread with all the "policy me!" posts. Mafia had time to discuss and prepare for it. Some probably voted him, some probably didn't, whatever, I don't think any kind of vote analysis will be very strong after the moment BH starts martyring. Now after that, scum are always pretty unlikely do switch at deadline. That attracts attention, and scum does not like attention. Now it depdends on the player ofc, but most won't switch at deadline, even to save a partner. Add to that that BH is not even a strong player worth saving, and knows he's gonna get lynched sooner or later. So in my mind, this part is stupid: "there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town". I think I've actually only been mislynched once or twice in my career on TL Mafia. I may not be a particularly accurate catcher of scum, but historically I would put up a hell of a fight as town if people tried to lynch me. Is this a defense or just an observation? Cause you didn't put up a hell of a fight yesterday
Just pointing out a flaw in your understanding of my immense, massive, throbbing skill.
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On March 07 2019 11:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:32 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 11:26 Rels wrote:On March 07 2019 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 02:52 Rels wrote:
now, BH needs to go, and I don't know if I can be convinced otherwise. He has played the "too sculmmy to be scum" so obviously I hate that he's not receiving more attention today. All the arguments I've seen for him being town seem stupid. I know rsoul had some against him being scum, and HF had too I think; I'll find them and explain why I thought they were stupid To be honest, aside from not participating at all D1 and martyring heavily for the first 96 hours of the game (72 hours of hoping to be lynched, 24 of hoping to be shot) I'm not sure how what I did was scummy. Well, this is what you did p: The sentence afterwards references "Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play" so yes congrats on making an observation that i literally made in that part you cropped out of my post yeah but I'm scumreading you for this part of the game, you cannot say to me "if you forget this part of the game I'm not scummy" when my ENTIRE point is based on it
ok but aside from that....
On March 07 2019 11:34 Rels wrote:
and if it's a refernce I didn't get it p:
The joke is that in USA, President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated shortly after the civil war. He was watching a play, along with his wife. The joke is to imagine someone interviewing his wife, Mrs. Lincoln, and asking her how the play went. She would say something like "it was terrible! my husband is shot!" and then the asker says "ok, but aside from THAT..."
I guess it's a highly american-context turn of phrase, to say "the thing I am asking you to set aside is huge, and I acknowledge this, while poking fun at myself" - I forgot that europeans wouldn't know this
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On March 07 2019 12:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Oatsmaster wrote in asking: Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 01:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 07 2019 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think this should be a goal for the day.
I want people to commit to something.
NOW.
Hey Wiggles, you're here, where's your vote going, buddeh? Let's kill BH. I'd rather see that flip than kill HF right now. He doesn't give good vibes with how he's playing. I'm OK sheeping this: On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum On March 05 2019 05:12 iamperfection wrote:
Kill bh he is full of crap he is scum On March 05 2019 06:13 iamperfection wrote:
My phone is gonna die vote bh Little bit of why bh doesn’t give you good vibes please wiggles? Well dear caller, our read on BH is coloured most by the flip-flopping about actually playing in this game. Will he or won't he? He comes in, says, "Kill me! Lynch me! Vig me and spit on my grave!". Then the next day he comes back and says, "I'm not dead yet. Maybe I'll start playing the game! Here's the start of some analysis.". Then he decides to give up and goes back to asking for the sweet release of death. This is when the vicious cycle begins once again. Fundamentally, this is anti-town, and I have been reading it as scum. Reading through the thread, the posts in the last few hours look to have improved at least, but that also happened during N1 for a while before BH went back to martyring. If the wagon on HF goes through and he flips town like I'm thinking, I give it a good chance BH goes back to asking to die. Assuming there's no vig shots available we'll have the BH issue distracting from D3 as well.
Day 1 I wanted to get p-lynched, it's true. N1 I was contributing, while at the same time also asking to be vigi shot. My stance will be to continue contributing (though do not expect me to read the first 100 pages of course), but at this point it's no longer rational to ask to be p-lynched and the vigi(s?) have decided, for whatever stupid reasons, not to shoot me. Don't expect me to stop my level of contribution.
I'll be here sporadically for a few hours, then I have sleep and work (which will mean phonebosting only), but I'll be around for 2-3 hours leading up to the deadline.
On March 07 2019 12:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:54 Rels wrote:On March 07 2019 12:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I am around was playing some scbw with my friend after playing pokemon if anyone wants to talk. Also I saw your answer rels and fair play. I got some more questions for you and it same ones I gave tina:
lWhat you think of EoD in terms of like spread of the mafia votes on the following scenarios:
If BH is Town?
If BH is Scum? given BH begged to be lynched, there is anything worthwhile to analyze in the vote. If he's scum, his team has known for a long time he's a likely D1 lynch and has planned accordingly. If he's town, well, same thing. THe only thing is that scum probably didn't vote en masse for the same guy, but that's not specific to this vote, more of a general rule Noted. I think if BH was scum then could have a few on both of the main wagons and maybe a outlier vote? If BH is town mafia had a field day and laughed their asses off I think.
Oh, I'm sure Mafia is laughing either way. Look at how D1 and N1 turned out.
On March 07 2019 13:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 13:46 Ace wrote:On March 07 2019 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 13:32 Ace wrote:https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311Mocsta I like your post :D Firstly, I got mod prodded. Regarding Mayor, I was never going to run. However, you're idea that I didn't "care" about who got Mayor is spot on. I really did not care whether HF or Palmar got it. I was more so interested in binding them to an opinion on who to lynch. If they deviated from that without sensible reasoning or flip/flopped I would find it extremely suspect. Asking about lynching Palmar is not the same as saying I definitely want Palmar lynched. I also did not have a strong opinion on scum read till BC near EOD. I screwed up in not moving my vote before deadline but I was wishy/washy on Trfel. Also, I tend to not give strong opinions on people until I'm ready to do so. I've also been out of the thread for long periods of time so some of my posts may seem disjointed - I'm trying to play catch up and will not voice every thought that comes to mind or may even forget some conversations. But really, I do like the post! ohh man cant afford to lynch. town needs all the spare bullets we have left ##UnvoteWork with us on acro pls I'm currently on page 202 lol. I doubt I will catch up. But I will definitely try to vote before deadline which is 7PM ET I think (about 19 hours from now). In the event I don't can you link me to the relevant posts on Acro and/or summarize. Really not trying to be lazy but this is a lot to wade through and take notes on with my limited time. lol... i take no acknowledgement, as a sublte acknowledgement Love it + Show Spoiler [Rayn case] +On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
Is this all I need to read to understand the Acro case?
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On March 07 2019 17:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:54 Rels wrote:On March 07 2019 12:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I am around was playing some scbw with my friend after playing pokemon if anyone wants to talk. Also I saw your answer rels and fair play. I got some more questions for you and it same ones I gave tina:
lWhat you think of EoD in terms of like spread of the mafia votes on the following scenarios:
If BH is Town?
If BH is Scum? given BH begged to be lynched, there is anything worthwhile to analyze in the vote. If he's scum, his team has known for a long time he's a likely D1 lynch and has planned accordingly. If he's town, well, same thing. THe only thing is that scum probably didn't vote en masse for the same guy, but that's not specific to this vote, more of a general rule The bh wagon on really starts fairly close to deadline. Don't think mafia have much time to organise anything or even know bh was an option.
So although I've stated that the BH wagon was started by me about 6 hours out from the deadline, basically, when I started actively martyring, my first martyring post was actually this one: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27281200 which was about 22 hours before the deadline. Although it wasn't until 6 hours before the deadline that I started actively pushing the BH wagon, the idea that in a world in which I was scum, my teammates would have been caught with their pants down with no idea I was going to martyr is basically false. Even if I gave them literally zero heads-up before my first martyring post, they'd still have 22 hours to get their pants on.
The reason I've been stating that I started pushing my wagon for self-lynch a few hours from the deadline is because that is true, but in fact I first started martyring 22 hours before the deadline with that single post. Surely if I were scum, I would also post in the mafia QT "hey fellow scum I am going for a martyring, as you can see from this post in thread" when I posted that post - or if I were somehow too lazy even for that, one of the other scum players would surely notice.
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The existence of additional roles is true, and we learned it at the end of D1 when a non-OP role flipped, even if (like me) you didn't read the OP before the "backup cop" flip. From the OP:
This game uses a closed normal setup. The following roles may be included in the game, but this is not a comprehensive list of possibilities. All roles are not guaranteed to be present.
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On March 07 2019 17:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote:
Voted BH
My gut wants to lynch Rels for him being so eager to connect with me and then not doing anything with it. His comments are usually piggy-backing or outright nada. And then my devil's advocate says wasn't he a better scum player than this? And can't the blah be explained by big game/little time? And I'm debating how much to share which isn't helpful either.
Also, ye, mocsta does look pretty town to me and I'm gonna pretend he's never had me eating out of his hand when he's scum.
I opened DF's filter and realized he talked more than I remembered but I'm not getting strong feels on him one way or another. Which makes me lean toward scum.
Tried to read Wiggles filter and my brain petered out halfway through. That will have to come later. My general impression of him this game is not much different than my issue with Wave was on D1, though. Pretty peanut gallery. With an addition of being too nice, at least to me. Gun to my head I'd vote Wiggles today pre-reviewing his filter.
Or BC >< Or Rels.
I feel like I'm missing shit and my usual way of finding what I'm missing doesn't work in such a big game. Spent way too much time yesterday getting nowhere fast.
Slam not having fun is probably scum. <-yeah, I know, unoriginal
Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out.
Grack feels townish though so yay?
MZ idk what that Damdred best lynch rn over others thing is. Is he reading this game or not? I could check back in his filter but cba.
I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either.
Anyway, not going to be around as much today. Hopefully I can get the motivation back to actually focus on what I'm reading instead of it all blurring together.
Might just yolo a Rels lynch anyway. My gut super doesn't like him >< So I guess I do have one strong scumread that I doubt I can adequately explain cause it's all based on feels lol yay \o/ Actually, fuck it, I can at least explain where the feeling is coming from. He invited me into a mason qt as a night action after crowing about how I'd change my mind during the night?phase I think it was when I said he could be scum. Then he calls the thing useless after my first response in the qt is the role's not in the OP and so it gives me nothing as to his alignment. I've been plopping reads in there he's only been commenting on trying to get him to play and the best he's got is the nonsense in this thread and something about sent which all I can see on sent is him nodding at grack? I'm just getting the strong sense he hoped I'd start townreading him like a pleb the moment he invited me into the qt. Joke's on him. Only time I've ever seen a mechanic like that I was invited into a different one by scum lol >< I don't know why scum would have a role like that this game but I don't really see why town would either. So I'm just going off Rels' behavior.
wew
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On March 07 2019 17:41 Holyflare wrote:
How active has rels been in qt?
he's only been commenting on trying to get him to play and the best he's got is the nonsense in this thread and something about sent
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On March 07 2019 17:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 17:40 Blazinghand wrote:The existence of additional roles is true, and we learned it at the end of D1 when a non-OP role flipped, even if (like me) you didn't read the OP before the "backup cop" flip. From the OP: This game uses a closed normal setup. The following roles may be included in the game, but this is not a comprehensive list of possibilities. All roles are not guaranteed to be present. Yeah I'm less concerned with that and more with my eager puppy turned wet noodle. But thanks for commenting on the non-essential bit. Unless people think I'm lying about a role not in the OP lol ><
If you and Rels are scum together, I can't imagine why you'd fakeclaim here, even if HF was your scumbuddy. I think there's no particular reason to disbelieve your claim.
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when did the QT start? at the start of N1, or at the start of D2?
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Oh no, that second post is also during N1, I guess that's just more crumbing
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Well, I think it's pretty unlikely Rels and Rsoultin are scum together, since it's not clear to me that there would be value in setting these crumbs up and then revealing at this time - I certainly don't think this will save HF, for example, it's not like it's being claimed that HF is a mason or something.
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On March 07 2019 17:51 rsoultin wrote:
Which yes I know this is super unhelpful cause I'm the only one seeing what he's writing lol >< But this is what has been eating me about him and I don't see a good reason not to share. Even if he's town with no time to play and I'm just a dumb dumb reading too much into it, his role is pretty useless for determining alignments other than how you would in thread anyway. Perhaps more useless.
If you wanted to use the town Masoner to determine alignments, you'd Mason someone scummy N1 and crumb that you masoned them at the end of N1 and crumb again at the end of N2, and if he's mafia there's a non-trivial chance he gets spooked and shoots you, and town will find the crumbs and realize that the scummy guy was who you masoned, and the only guy who knew you were a mason. Maybe lie in a closed-ish setup like this and say that you'll have an alignment check on whoever you mason after the second night, which would really spook mafia (unless you got unlucky and masoned a GF....)
there are a lot of possibilities
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On March 07 2019 17:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 17:55 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 17:51 rsoultin wrote:
Which yes I know this is super unhelpful cause I'm the only one seeing what he's writing lol >< But this is what has been eating me about him and I don't see a good reason not to share. Even if he's town with no time to play and I'm just a dumb dumb reading too much into it, his role is pretty useless for determining alignments other than how you would in thread anyway. Perhaps more useless. If you wanted to use the town Masoner to determine alignments, you'd Mason someone scummy N1 and crumb that you masoned them at the end of N1 and crumb again at the end of N2, and if he's mafia there's a non-trivial chance he gets spooked and shoots you, and town will find the crumbs and realize that the scummy guy was who you masoned, and the only guy who knew you were a mason. Maybe lie in a closed-ish setup like this and say that you'll have an alignment check on whoever you mason after the second night, which would really spook mafia (unless you got unlucky and masoned a GF....) there are a lot of possibilities Okay? Well, the point still stands. Super excited -> not doing anything with it screams he expected me to townread him the moment I landed in his qt.
yeah that is pretty strange. maybe he thought it was his ace in the hole (either as town, to prove himself, or as scum, to bamboozle) and just got super mad when it didn't work. i'm eager to hear his side of the story
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On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it?
A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun!
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On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town?
I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. At all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment.
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In fact, you can be a big contributor to a town victory as a VT just by doing these two things:
1) look town
2) hunt scum (this includes identifying and following good town players)
The first job of any town-aligned player is to not get lynched. And yes, I am aware I was actively trying to get lynched D1 and shot N1, please ignore that for the purposes of this educational post.
On March 07 2019 18:11 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:10 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town? I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. A t all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment. So why did you stop trying to sound town?
The game was long and I didn't feel like reading it. I think my second or third post in this game was after 100 pages had sprung up and I basically said "I'm not reading this, just lynch me now so I don't have to deal with it"
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On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like
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On March 07 2019 18:22 Holyflare wrote:
So please look at the people that didn't want to vote you if you're town? Or how about just look at exo who called you town and wanted to lynch you anyway?
ExO and Ace are both suspicious for thinking i'm town and being kind to me when I was actively martyring
On March 07 2019 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote:
On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly.
Yeah, it would be pretty ballsy to make as scum. Also, I'm probably one of the best scum players on TL Mafia - or I was back in the day, anyways. I'm just a decent town player, mostly skilled in avoiding getting lynched (which is actually a useful skill!) and driving discussion, typically. But as scum I've pulled all kinds of stunts. Once, I pretended that I was moving to a different house, put stuff in boxes and took photos of it, and people let it slide that I wasn't active for a full day. I'm a complete bastard. I'm pretty amazing.
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On March 08 2019 01:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote:
On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like Yo. We need you to continue not making this happen, because it sure looks like it's going to happen. We need more analysis from you and less blathering about your hubris and being above the game.
I'm here ittermittently via phone for a few hours from work, then for about 2 hours leading up to the deadline I'm here on a computer. To be honest, in a game riddled with lurkers, where HF has played actively against the town, it's a sign of my poor performance that I've recieved the most votes today. I'm probably not going to get shot N2, and I'm not going to improve in performance going forward - small amounts of analysis and conversation, and pushing one major scumread.
On March 08 2019 01:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 01:38 Acrofales wrote:@rsoultin: On March 07 2019 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2019 05:35 sicklucker wrote:
if we were gonna yolo lynch I think rels is the guy. he starts getting active as mafia starts winning. very nice. also thinks im scum for some reason which seems forced (omgus) I'm also down for this. If I still feel this way in the morning I'll explain further. But I also am fine with a BH lynch so...yeah lol >< This is a pretty shitty reason to lynch this guy: On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun! Why is BH scum? Go. I don't know xD Maybe he's not
A lot of votes have come out of the woodwork while I was asleep with about this level of justification, and now I'm in the lead. Pretty annoying. RIP
On March 08 2019 02:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 01:57 rsoultin wrote:
I agree. I just don't see him ever being lynched over HF, BH or alternatively a low-posting lurker like ExO_ if people decided they don't want to lynch the former two.
And honestly I'm not really too interested in lynching someone I don't strongly feel is scum? Cause I think BH has a slightly larger chance of flipping town than scum but I wouldn't wager a so much as a quarter on it lol ><
You’re probably right. Too bad there’s quite a few who want to kill Ace. I feel the same about BH.
Hmmm maybe the rule of Browns little brother the rule of LS will hold this game.
I'd really prefer to kill HF. ExO and Ace both have seemed suspicious to me, but HF needs to be top priority imo.
On March 08 2019 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At this point i am going to politely inform that i am not going to change my vote and fuck you all.
This could easily lead to my horrible lynching but I like your moxie kid
On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up Lets go back to this: Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH?
Hilariously, I think a few of the people voting me just never noticed HF's fakeclaim :shrugs:
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On March 08 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RiZElNNpAY Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up Lets go back to this: On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH? I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like.
You've mentioned a few times that you've provided evidence that you do this kind of last second fakeclaim as town and have done so before - can you link to a game or state the name of a game in which you did this?
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On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in 0m 0s. Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
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Man let me tell you i've really been enjoying watching people limp in onto my wagon after I pointed out they are lurking
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On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
so now that HF wagon is no longer in the lead, and the BH wagon is in the lead, you've swapped your vote from the HF wagon to the BH wagon to... what, exactly?
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On March 08 2019 05:51 sicklucker wrote:
ill be at work for the deadline. so i assume bh is pretty locked in dead here?
I have 12 votes and HF has 9. I'm pretty locked in dead if everyone isn't around for the deadline, but I think it's entirely possible I will live and HF will get lynched.
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On March 08 2019 05:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:51 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day. so now that HF wagon is no longer in the lead, and the BH wagon is in the lead, you've swapped your vote from the HF wagon to the BH wagon to... what, exactly? So now that your only 2 points of why I'm mafia have been disproved by a lot of people in the game that aren't just me, why are you still voting me?
You still shot Palmar. And to be honest I'm still voting you at this point because while I am only modestly sure you are scum based on your fakeclaim, you still have treated me in a way that only makes sense if you are a mega-asshole or if you are scum. Also, I know I'm town, and there's no wagon to be had on Ace or Exo. Even if I were 50%+ sure you are town (which I am not, btw) I'd still vote you in a situation where it's you or me.
I get the feeling you realized there's a good chance I'm town a while ago, and you're still voting me, after all.
And yeah, admitting this makes me look bad, but it's the truth.
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On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time
We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf
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Alternatively, we could get a show of hands before shenannying onto another wagon
Who's down for Ace?
Who's down for Exo?
Who's down for Wiggles?
And if we have enough for any of these 3, we go for it, thereby saving me :V
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On March 08 2019 05:59 Vivax wrote:
Seems lazy I know, but Im pretty happy with just judging him off his early posts alone. Today is scum vs scum and in that case making a third wagon is pointless.
If it's scum vs scum, can we do HF first pls
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Like what's the actual justification for "I was voting for HF, then the BH wagon took the lead, so I hopped to that"
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On March 08 2019 06:07 Ace wrote:
Hey guys - stop saying there's no chance you'll lynch HolyScum so you'll start another wagon. Just keep your vote on him and let the lynch go through
Focus!
ugh... urk... ok i'll say it: "Ace is right"
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Blazinghand
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Fuck, there's like 3 people all of whom are not voting for HF because they don't think HF will get enough votes, and if they voted for him, he'd have enough votes. What's wrong with you people?
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Ok, it's my final hour, and I'm here from now to the end. there's a certain humor to actively trying to get lycnhed D1, and it not happening, and complaining that HF didn't do it D1 so he made it happen today, heh. This possibility (wasting D2 lynching me) was why HF didn't shoot me and instead shot Palmar btw.
In a sense, I'm glad to be going in an hour. This game was too large to read when I arrived in it, and it hasn't gotten any easier to read since then. Any questions for me? Barring some serious shenannies I'm about to be modconfirmed town so let me know
warning: I will not read the whole thread or whatever, but i'll give thoughts on specific events
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On March 08 2019 08:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 07:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Should we switch to HF? There's a little imp in my head that wants to watch him swing. If its just us two we can make it 11 to 10 and see what happens. sure.
DO IT
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On March 08 2019 08:08 Vivax wrote:
BH in a world where you are mafia, what do you think your scum buddies would have done if you came out of the blue and started martyring on Day 1?
depends on how many of them are lurkers, but probably you'd want at least two of them on my wagon, and at least one pushing me moderately. Stick a couple on the Trfel wagon as well, but have them be lower content players, and dont' have them limp in at the last moment. If someone has to limp in at the last moment on a close lynch like this, they're better off voting the scum wagon. And of course, having 1 or 2 irrelevant side wagon voters is ideal, since town has so many already, you want to blend in there.
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there's a big temptation to have the entire scumteam bus a martyring scum, but this isn't actually the best way to do it. Town sees through that kind of thing pretty quick, and you don't actually farm up that much cred by bussing a martyr. In fact, if you have the skills for it, maximum cred would come from pushing hard and in an organized way for the T lynch
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On March 08 2019 08:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Unvote: Damdred
##Vote: Wiggles
nice work M_Z I can see you are having a big impact
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Blazinghand
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Way to derail that Damdred train and really drive the Wiggles train home
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TBH I'd lynch either of those guys tho
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On March 08 2019 08:25 Ace wrote:
This game is fucking hilarious
I will admit that despite the fact that this has kinda been an awful experience for me, and I think we are certainly doomed, this game has been pretty funny.
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On March 08 2019 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 08:25 Ace wrote:
This game is fucking hilarious I will admit that despite the fact that this has kinda been an awful experience for me, and I think we are certainly doomed, this game has been pretty funny. I wager at least some of the awful experience is your own fault though bh
oh yeah, all this could have been avoided if I was willing to read the thread, or, if, like many of the people in this game, I just didn't mind not reading the thread, never commented on it, and just lurked. I stuck my neck out and asked to be lynched, figuring i was uniquely never-going-to-be-productive due to not reading the thread. Instead, I probably am not even in the bottom third of this town for thread-reading, despite not reading pages 20 through 100
On March 08 2019 08:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also it’s literally the second day man, why the doom and gloom
I'm poking a little fun but you have to admit there is a certain dark humor to the fact that the 5 flips so far include 4 blues and a VT, and unless we can do something abotu the fact that I have 12 votes on me and HF has only 9 votes on him, we're about to lynch another.
I do find it pretty darkly humorous that only when I stopped actively trying to get people to kill me, and tried to play, that it happened. I wonder if I just loudly martyred all day today if I would have survived, lol
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On March 08 2019 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 08:19 Blazinghand wrote:
TBH I'd lynch either of those guys tho I'm voting for scum. I have repeatedly given my reasons for not wanting to lynch HF and I have no idea which way to read you, people martyr both as town and scum and your play since then has been 50/50. If the jubjubs are gonna lynch between you and HF I honestly don't care which of you goes. My vote however is gonna be on the people I'm very confident are scum.
Do you actually not have an opinion on which of me or HF is a better lynch?
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On March 08 2019 08:40 Vivax wrote:
Should keep the votes tied. Thatd still mean that BH gets lynched but if hes mafia it means no mafia switched to HF to save him, ergo HF is mafia.
Anything that involves moving votes off of me and/or on to HF sounds good to me at this point
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On March 08 2019 08:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 08:40 Vivax wrote:
Should keep the votes tied. Thatd still mean that BH gets lynched but if hes mafia it means no mafia switched to HF to save him, ergo HF is mafia. Anything that involves moving votes off of me and/or on to HF sounds good to me at this point
But then again, so does the sweet release of death
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WoS hasn't actually voted in the vote thread (yet) so
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Originally I was going to write a post trying to convince WoS to actually swap his vote over, but now I'm considering that, even if it's worse for town, I might be happier once I'm dead. I'm debating whether I want the moral victory here of fighting to the end, or just to let it happen
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I bet the Obs QT is going nuts. I bet it's a shitfest. All these dead townies, all the ones who would have pushed the HF wagon and succeeded, but are now too dead to talk, and without them we're lynching me instead
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this race is only "tight" because two people meme-swapped onto HF so i'm 'only' getting lynched by a margin of 3 votes
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On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
ok but like, i'm actually town
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On March 08 2019 08:52 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:
this race is only "tight" because two people meme-swapped onto HF so i'm 'only' getting lynched by a margin of 3 votes ok this is true but everyone has seemed very comfortable takingthese two wagons as a foregone conclusion since before it was clear. also 80% of the thread is just not here?
yes in fact it seems like a lot of people limped onto my wagon, or onto side-wagons, with almost no effort, then wandered off. There are so many it can't possibly all be scum, either. in fact, most of them are town, i'm sure. and that's the sad thing, isn't it
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On March 08 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, I reckon I'm about to flip because people are idiots
another lie from a liar who has lied all game, about everything he's done
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On March 08 2019 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Don't forget rayn. He did not vote to save me when he has said I'm definitely town over pushing this mediocre acro case repeatedly. that's true. dont forget me.
nevr 4get
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so, I am aware that I martyred for 6 hours on D1 and tried actively to get vigied N1 (in order to avoid the situation we're facing now!) but somehow I still find it offensive that more people want to lynch me than want to lynch HF, after all that HF has done
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All you guys who are voting me know it's bullshit! you *know*!
On March 08 2019 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
too late to make a difference with my vote?
vote HF
several people have said it won't make a difference and not voted HF, and AUGH why won't you people just vote him
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On March 08 2019 08:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 08:53 darthfoley wrote:On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum. Dude all you've claimed on BH is that you can't read him. Since when does that equate to him being town? Also yea, considering the lack of thread interest my fear is that this it TvT Because I've martyred as town like he did. I told you it was a terrible wifom reason. I could be wrong. I'd rather go after targets I'm more sure of.
YOURE LETTING ME DIE
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The final, most hilarious piece of all of this is:
D1) I try to get lynched, and neither of the 2 lynches hit me
N1) I actually play a bit, but I try actively to get shot, do not get shot
D2) Finally I try to play, I guess we don't want to lynch me OH NO WAIT ERE WE GO LADS
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Moral of the story: I should have martyred all D2, it would have saved me.
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On March 18 2019 00:55 Onegu wrote:
I never even read pages from day 1 and 2...
Lol I forgot this was post game and I can edit my post instead of posting multiple time.
I want to know the interest of people who would play in a themed game made by me. The last few have been well liked. So I figured I would try again I have the idea and basic setup ready, Just need to tweek a few things.
I need 21 player for Fibonacci Mafia! And a co host...
I shoulda just never admitted that i couldn't keep up with the game. My post asking to be lynched was in all earnestness and I think if people had listened to me it would have been fine. In all honestly the real strat would have been to lie.
On March 18 2019 00:09 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Players sorted by filter length in pages:
Pages - Player
1 - AMG
2 - darthfoley
2 - Ace, Onegu
3 - Damdred, ExO_, tubesock, BloodyC0bbler
4 - Ticktock, Tumblewood, [UoN]Sentinel, Meapak_Ziphh, Mr. Wiggles, Rels
6 - FecalFeast, sicklucker, jockmcplop, grackaroni, Mocsta
7 - Blazinghand, Chezinu
10 - Vivax
11 - raynpelikoneet
12 - LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Alakaslam
13 - Oatsmaster, Acrofales
17 - rsoultin
24 - Holyflare There's an interesting observation to be made from Blazinghand's post about filter size after day one. The 11 most active players were ALL town and no mafia player had a filter larger than 6 pages. There are obviously exceptions, but I'd bet that's a pretty reliable metric to go by most game. With all the infighting between townies, mafia never felt particularly pressured to post. There were a few townies who were on the right track, but with all the noise it was nearly impossible to focus enough attention on any of the mafia players to get them lynched.
I am clearly MVP for this
On March 18 2019 00:09 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not particularly sure what BH's intentions were during the first couple cycles, but it probably would have been better to simply afk if you weren't able to participate. By requesting a lynch, you made yourself at the center of attention and it made things difficult for town to gain any traction early on.
I was actually 100% honest about not having time to read the enormous thread. I couldn't keep with the obs QT even, heh. It's been years since I've played and this game was a spamfest. I was really not prepared. Hilariously, requesting a lynch backfired horribly and caused nobody to want to lynch me until I started playing.
On March 18 2019 03:22 Ace wrote:
I still don't understand why anyone would have wanted to lynch BH there. Think that was the worst part of the game.
I do think I was definitely town D2 compared to D1, where I literally asked to be lynch, but who knows??? these things are beyond my understanding
On March 18 2019 09:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm excited for the BH analysis. Your audience awaits
EDIT: I hope there's pictures and graphs!
the... the BH analysis?
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On March 18 2019 23:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Yes, this would surely reflect poorly on BH to have committed to an analysis and then not ever deliver it
Hey man I'm working on it!
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On March 19 2019 05:35 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:On March 18 2019 23:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Yes, this would surely reflect poorly on BH to have committed to an analysis and then not ever deliver it Hey man I'm working on it! This was the last ever game of mafia. You would think your analysis would come at least before the last game?
Man you're asking for a really fast turnaround here aren't you
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