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On March 07 2019 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
While we're somewhat onthe good feels train right now, I hope that most people if not everyone feels the same way as me in that a lot of the toxicity that has/had come to be a part of TL mafia and a big part of why I quit hasn't been present in this game.
Egos, arguing, yelling, sure. But that's a part of the game. The escalation and hurt feelings I think have been missing and I'd love to see that continued.
Wp so far everyone.
Same, minus HF being a complete piece of garbage to me. I'm glad he's scum and just doing it for effect, rather than honestly being so terrible.
On March 07 2019 07:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote:You may not like me in this game, you may think I'm mafia, you may think I'm town. None of those things do I care about. This is the information you have that is the most important thing in this game:
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar
You had a vote on a guy that literally trolls for a mafia career telling us to lynch him and the vote was so close somehow that our doctor got lynched instead of him. That leaves some serious question marks hovering around, we have absolutely imperfect information that can easily be solved by either BH playing a game of mafia or lynching him and figuring it out. If you can think of any reason not to lynch this guy to further your information gain today please let me know. I'm mainly looking at: Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion, Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley, Damdred, Tictock, BloodyC0bbler, Ace, Meapak_Ziphh, Pandain, Rels, Chezinu, Onegu These people didn't vote for BH (didn't even realise Koshi didn't, what a travesty). I think it's best to look into them first because BH would have been such an easy no qualms mislynch if he was town I don't think there should be any hesitation to lynch him from them. Which is suspicious as to why they did not and instead afkd on really pointless wagons or Trfel. Im stupid. Spell it out to me if im 5 years old. If BH flips red what alignments are revealed out of that pool? If BH flips town what alignments are revealed out of that pool?
+1 town point to the mocster here
On March 07 2019 07:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Onegu
Fecalfeast
Holyflare
LightningStrike
Blazinghand
Tictock
Oatsmaster
WaveofShadow
Tumblewood
sicklucker
Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Damdred
Chezinu
Jockmcplop
ExO_
Vivax
[UoN]Sentinel
Grackaroni
rsoultin
tubesock
Pandain replaced by AMG
darthfoley
Mocsta
Meapak_Ziphh
Mr. Wiggles
BloodyC0bbler
Ace
Alakaslam
Rels
This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.
I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for. Pandain is a good lynch option for today. AMG has been a disappointment so far -> Especially as a replacement and factoring in playstyle difference to Marv. Btw dipshit. you realise Im the one who started the ace wagon that you agree will flip red. fuck off with the mediocre.
I actually have a lot of sympathy for AMG here. He replaced into a game with 100+ pages, and now we're at 200+ pages, and he barely got caught up if that on the first 100 pages, even with my summary. I've basically abandoned looking back on the first half of the game - i literally haven't read those pages even once. Now, AMG could easily be scum here! Scum would love to use this excuse, after all. But let's not pretend he should have been able to jump in ezpz
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Players sorted by filter length in pages:
Pages - Player
1 - AMG
2 - darthfoley
2 - Ace, Onegu
3 - Damdred, ExO_, tubesock, BloodyC0bbler
4 - Ticktock, Tumblewood, [UoN]Sentinel, Meapak_Ziphh, Mr. Wiggles, Rels
6 - FecalFeast, sicklucker, jockmcplop, grackaroni, Mocsta
7 - Blazinghand, Chezinu
10 - Vivax
11 - raynpelikoneet
12 - LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Alakaslam
13 - Oatsmaster, Acrofales
17 - rsoultin
24 - Holyflare
Players who have made no content-containing posts today:
Ace (last post about 24h ago)
Damdred (one post 12 hours ago saying he'll catch up)
ExO_ (last post was about 48h ago)
Ace hasn't posted since N1
Sentinel is borderline, he made 4 posts right around day start then dipped
AMG made 2 posts at day start, extremely terse
Darthfoley made a single post at day strart asking why I wasn't vigged
I'm not saying all the lurkers are scum or town or anything. But now we know who, where, and when. Don't townread me for this, or scumread me for this, this isn't analysis, just gathering facts.
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On March 07 2019 11:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 02:52 Rels wrote:
now, BH needs to go, and I don't know if I can be convinced otherwise. He has played the "too sculmmy to be scum" so obviously I hate that he's not receiving more attention today. All the arguments I've seen for him being town seem stupid. I know rsoul had some against him being scum, and HF had too I think; I'll find them and explain why I thought they were stupid To be honest, aside from not participating at all D1 and martyring heavily for the first 96 hours of the game (72 hours of hoping to be lynched, 24 of hoping to be shot) I'm not sure how what I did was scummy. Well, this is what you did p:
The sentence afterwards references "Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play" so yes congrats on making an observation that i literally made in that part you cropped out of my post
On March 07 2019 11:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 03:06 Rels wrote:On March 06 2019 09:27 Holyflare wrote:At least we gather some vote d1 vote swap information. The conversion slot, the one that saved BH for no discernible reason (as well as Vivax I guess) was town. If Vivax is town, he's in a great spot to know that there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town. On March 06 2019 09:10 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: BH He's auto voted BH though so he's probably not that smart. This seems stupid to me. BH knows he's gonna be lynched when he begins shitting the thread with all the "policy me!" posts. Mafia had time to discuss and prepare for it. Some probably voted him, some probably didn't, whatever, I don't think any kind of vote analysis will be very strong after the moment BH starts martyring. Now after that, scum are always pretty unlikely do switch at deadline. That attracts attention, and scum does not like attention. Now it depdends on the player ofc, but most won't switch at deadline, even to save a partner. Add to that that BH is not even a strong player worth saving, and knows he's gonna get lynched sooner or later. So in my mind, this part is stupid: "there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town". I think I've actually only been mislynched once or twice in my career on TL Mafia. I may not be a particularly accurate catcher of scum, but historically I would put up a hell of a fight as town if people tried to lynch me. Is this a defense or just an observation? Cause you didn't put up a hell of a fight yesterday
Just pointing out a flaw in your understanding of my immense, massive, throbbing skill.
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On March 07 2019 11:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:32 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 11:26 Rels wrote:On March 07 2019 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 02:52 Rels wrote:
now, BH needs to go, and I don't know if I can be convinced otherwise. He has played the "too sculmmy to be scum" so obviously I hate that he's not receiving more attention today. All the arguments I've seen for him being town seem stupid. I know rsoul had some against him being scum, and HF had too I think; I'll find them and explain why I thought they were stupid To be honest, aside from not participating at all D1 and martyring heavily for the first 96 hours of the game (72 hours of hoping to be lynched, 24 of hoping to be shot) I'm not sure how what I did was scummy. Well, this is what you did p: The sentence afterwards references "Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play" so yes congrats on making an observation that i literally made in that part you cropped out of my post yeah but I'm scumreading you for this part of the game, you cannot say to me "if you forget this part of the game I'm not scummy" when my ENTIRE point is based on it
ok but aside from that....
On March 07 2019 11:34 Rels wrote:
and if it's a refernce I didn't get it p:
The joke is that in USA, President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated shortly after the civil war. He was watching a play, along with his wife. The joke is to imagine someone interviewing his wife, Mrs. Lincoln, and asking her how the play went. She would say something like "it was terrible! my husband is shot!" and then the asker says "ok, but aside from THAT..."
I guess it's a highly american-context turn of phrase, to say "the thing I am asking you to set aside is huge, and I acknowledge this, while poking fun at myself" - I forgot that europeans wouldn't know this
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On March 07 2019 12:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Oatsmaster wrote in asking: Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 01:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 07 2019 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think this should be a goal for the day.
I want people to commit to something.
NOW.
Hey Wiggles, you're here, where's your vote going, buddeh? Let's kill BH. I'd rather see that flip than kill HF right now. He doesn't give good vibes with how he's playing. I'm OK sheeping this: On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum On March 05 2019 05:12 iamperfection wrote:
Kill bh he is full of crap he is scum On March 05 2019 06:13 iamperfection wrote:
My phone is gonna die vote bh Little bit of why bh doesn’t give you good vibes please wiggles? Well dear caller, our read on BH is coloured most by the flip-flopping about actually playing in this game. Will he or won't he? He comes in, says, "Kill me! Lynch me! Vig me and spit on my grave!". Then the next day he comes back and says, "I'm not dead yet. Maybe I'll start playing the game! Here's the start of some analysis.". Then he decides to give up and goes back to asking for the sweet release of death. This is when the vicious cycle begins once again. Fundamentally, this is anti-town, and I have been reading it as scum. Reading through the thread, the posts in the last few hours look to have improved at least, but that also happened during N1 for a while before BH went back to martyring. If the wagon on HF goes through and he flips town like I'm thinking, I give it a good chance BH goes back to asking to die. Assuming there's no vig shots available we'll have the BH issue distracting from D3 as well.
Day 1 I wanted to get p-lynched, it's true. N1 I was contributing, while at the same time also asking to be vigi shot. My stance will be to continue contributing (though do not expect me to read the first 100 pages of course), but at this point it's no longer rational to ask to be p-lynched and the vigi(s?) have decided, for whatever stupid reasons, not to shoot me. Don't expect me to stop my level of contribution.
I'll be here sporadically for a few hours, then I have sleep and work (which will mean phonebosting only), but I'll be around for 2-3 hours leading up to the deadline.
On March 07 2019 12:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:54 Rels wrote:On March 07 2019 12:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I am around was playing some scbw with my friend after playing pokemon if anyone wants to talk. Also I saw your answer rels and fair play. I got some more questions for you and it same ones I gave tina:
lWhat you think of EoD in terms of like spread of the mafia votes on the following scenarios:
If BH is Town?
If BH is Scum? given BH begged to be lynched, there is anything worthwhile to analyze in the vote. If he's scum, his team has known for a long time he's a likely D1 lynch and has planned accordingly. If he's town, well, same thing. THe only thing is that scum probably didn't vote en masse for the same guy, but that's not specific to this vote, more of a general rule Noted. I think if BH was scum then could have a few on both of the main wagons and maybe a outlier vote? If BH is town mafia had a field day and laughed their asses off I think.
Oh, I'm sure Mafia is laughing either way. Look at how D1 and N1 turned out.
On March 07 2019 13:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 13:46 Ace wrote:On March 07 2019 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 13:32 Ace wrote:https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311Mocsta I like your post :D Firstly, I got mod prodded. Regarding Mayor, I was never going to run. However, you're idea that I didn't "care" about who got Mayor is spot on. I really did not care whether HF or Palmar got it. I was more so interested in binding them to an opinion on who to lynch. If they deviated from that without sensible reasoning or flip/flopped I would find it extremely suspect. Asking about lynching Palmar is not the same as saying I definitely want Palmar lynched. I also did not have a strong opinion on scum read till BC near EOD. I screwed up in not moving my vote before deadline but I was wishy/washy on Trfel. Also, I tend to not give strong opinions on people until I'm ready to do so. I've also been out of the thread for long periods of time so some of my posts may seem disjointed - I'm trying to play catch up and will not voice every thought that comes to mind or may even forget some conversations. But really, I do like the post! ohh man cant afford to lynch. town needs all the spare bullets we have left ##UnvoteWork with us on acro pls I'm currently on page 202 lol. I doubt I will catch up. But I will definitely try to vote before deadline which is 7PM ET I think (about 19 hours from now). In the event I don't can you link me to the relevant posts on Acro and/or summarize. Really not trying to be lazy but this is a lot to wade through and take notes on with my limited time. lol... i take no acknowledgement, as a sublte acknowledgement  Love it + Show Spoiler [Rayn case] +On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
Is this all I need to read to understand the Acro case?
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On March 07 2019 17:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:54 Rels wrote:On March 07 2019 12:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I am around was playing some scbw with my friend after playing pokemon if anyone wants to talk. Also I saw your answer rels and fair play. I got some more questions for you and it same ones I gave tina:
lWhat you think of EoD in terms of like spread of the mafia votes on the following scenarios:
If BH is Town?
If BH is Scum? given BH begged to be lynched, there is anything worthwhile to analyze in the vote. If he's scum, his team has known for a long time he's a likely D1 lynch and has planned accordingly. If he's town, well, same thing. THe only thing is that scum probably didn't vote en masse for the same guy, but that's not specific to this vote, more of a general rule The bh wagon on really starts fairly close to deadline. Don't think mafia have much time to organise anything or even know bh was an option.
So although I've stated that the BH wagon was started by me about 6 hours out from the deadline, basically, when I started actively martyring, my first martyring post was actually this one: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27281200 which was about 22 hours before the deadline. Although it wasn't until 6 hours before the deadline that I started actively pushing the BH wagon, the idea that in a world in which I was scum, my teammates would have been caught with their pants down with no idea I was going to martyr is basically false. Even if I gave them literally zero heads-up before my first martyring post, they'd still have 22 hours to get their pants on.
The reason I've been stating that I started pushing my wagon for self-lynch a few hours from the deadline is because that is true, but in fact I first started martyring 22 hours before the deadline with that single post. Surely if I were scum, I would also post in the mafia QT "hey fellow scum I am going for a martyring, as you can see from this post in thread" when I posted that post - or if I were somehow too lazy even for that, one of the other scum players would surely notice.
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The existence of additional roles is true, and we learned it at the end of D1 when a non-OP role flipped, even if (like me) you didn't read the OP before the "backup cop" flip. From the OP:
This game uses a closed normal setup. The following roles may be included in the game, but this is not a comprehensive list of possibilities. All roles are not guaranteed to be present.
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On March 07 2019 17:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote:
Voted BH
My gut wants to lynch Rels for him being so eager to connect with me and then not doing anything with it. His comments are usually piggy-backing or outright nada. And then my devil's advocate says wasn't he a better scum player than this? And can't the blah be explained by big game/little time? And I'm debating how much to share which isn't helpful either.
Also, ye, mocsta does look pretty town to me and I'm gonna pretend he's never had me eating out of his hand when he's scum.
I opened DF's filter and realized he talked more than I remembered but I'm not getting strong feels on him one way or another. Which makes me lean toward scum.
Tried to read Wiggles filter and my brain petered out halfway through. That will have to come later. My general impression of him this game is not much different than my issue with Wave was on D1, though. Pretty peanut gallery. With an addition of being too nice, at least to me. Gun to my head I'd vote Wiggles today pre-reviewing his filter.
Or BC >< Or Rels.
I feel like I'm missing shit and my usual way of finding what I'm missing doesn't work in such a big game. Spent way too much time yesterday getting nowhere fast.
Slam not having fun is probably scum. <-yeah, I know, unoriginal
Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out.
Grack feels townish though so yay?
MZ idk what that Damdred best lynch rn over others thing is. Is he reading this game or not? I could check back in his filter but cba.
I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either.
Anyway, not going to be around as much today. Hopefully I can get the motivation back to actually focus on what I'm reading instead of it all blurring together.
Might just yolo a Rels lynch anyway. My gut super doesn't like him >< So I guess I do have one strong scumread that I doubt I can adequately explain cause it's all based on feels lol yay \o/ Actually, fuck it, I can at least explain where the feeling is coming from. He invited me into a mason qt as a night action after crowing about how I'd change my mind during the night?phase I think it was when I said he could be scum. Then he calls the thing useless after my first response in the qt is the role's not in the OP and so it gives me nothing as to his alignment. I've been plopping reads in there he's only been commenting on trying to get him to play and the best he's got is the nonsense in this thread and something about sent which all I can see on sent is him nodding at grack? I'm just getting the strong sense he hoped I'd start townreading him like a pleb the moment he invited me into the qt. Joke's on him. Only time I've ever seen a mechanic like that I was invited into a different one by scum lol >< I don't know why scum would have a role like that this game but I don't really see why town would either. So I'm just going off Rels' behavior.
wew
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On March 07 2019 17:41 Holyflare wrote:
How active has rels been in qt?
he's only been commenting on trying to get him to play and the best he's got is the nonsense in this thread and something about sent
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On March 07 2019 17:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 17:40 Blazinghand wrote:The existence of additional roles is true, and we learned it at the end of D1 when a non-OP role flipped, even if (like me) you didn't read the OP before the "backup cop" flip. From the OP: This game uses a closed normal setup. The following roles may be included in the game, but this is not a comprehensive list of possibilities. All roles are not guaranteed to be present. Yeah I'm less concerned with that and more with my eager puppy turned wet noodle. But thanks for commenting on the non-essential bit. Unless people think I'm lying about a role not in the OP lol ><
If you and Rels are scum together, I can't imagine why you'd fakeclaim here, even if HF was your scumbuddy. I think there's no particular reason to disbelieve your claim.
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when did the QT start? at the start of N1, or at the start of D2?
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Oh no, that second post is also during N1, I guess that's just more crumbing
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Well, I think it's pretty unlikely Rels and Rsoultin are scum together, since it's not clear to me that there would be value in setting these crumbs up and then revealing at this time - I certainly don't think this will save HF, for example, it's not like it's being claimed that HF is a mason or something.
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On March 07 2019 17:51 rsoultin wrote:
Which yes I know this is super unhelpful cause I'm the only one seeing what he's writing lol >< But this is what has been eating me about him and I don't see a good reason not to share. Even if he's town with no time to play and I'm just a dumb dumb reading too much into it, his role is pretty useless for determining alignments other than how you would in thread anyway. Perhaps more useless.
If you wanted to use the town Masoner to determine alignments, you'd Mason someone scummy N1 and crumb that you masoned them at the end of N1 and crumb again at the end of N2, and if he's mafia there's a non-trivial chance he gets spooked and shoots you, and town will find the crumbs and realize that the scummy guy was who you masoned, and the only guy who knew you were a mason. Maybe lie in a closed-ish setup like this and say that you'll have an alignment check on whoever you mason after the second night, which would really spook mafia (unless you got unlucky and masoned a GF....)
there are a lot of possibilities
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On March 07 2019 17:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 17:55 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 17:51 rsoultin wrote:
Which yes I know this is super unhelpful cause I'm the only one seeing what he's writing lol >< But this is what has been eating me about him and I don't see a good reason not to share. Even if he's town with no time to play and I'm just a dumb dumb reading too much into it, his role is pretty useless for determining alignments other than how you would in thread anyway. Perhaps more useless. If you wanted to use the town Masoner to determine alignments, you'd Mason someone scummy N1 and crumb that you masoned them at the end of N1 and crumb again at the end of N2, and if he's mafia there's a non-trivial chance he gets spooked and shoots you, and town will find the crumbs and realize that the scummy guy was who you masoned, and the only guy who knew you were a mason. Maybe lie in a closed-ish setup like this and say that you'll have an alignment check on whoever you mason after the second night, which would really spook mafia (unless you got unlucky and masoned a GF....) there are a lot of possibilities Okay? Well, the point still stands. Super excited -> not doing anything with it screams he expected me to townread him the moment I landed in his qt.
yeah that is pretty strange. maybe he thought it was his ace in the hole (either as town, to prove himself, or as scum, to bamboozle) and just got super mad when it didn't work. i'm eager to hear his side of the story
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On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it?
A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun!
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On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town?
I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. At all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
In fact, you can be a big contributor to a town victory as a VT just by doing these two things:
1) look town
2) hunt scum (this includes identifying and following good town players)
The first job of any town-aligned player is to not get lynched. And yes, I am aware I was actively trying to get lynched D1 and shot N1, please ignore that for the purposes of this educational post.
On March 07 2019 18:11 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:10 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town? I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. A t all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment. So why did you stop trying to sound town?
The game was long and I didn't feel like reading it. I think my second or third post in this game was after 100 pages had sprung up and I basically said "I'm not reading this, just lynch me now so I don't have to deal with it"
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like
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