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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On October 31 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you make that post as town? I'm saying that I think it would be a message that I would understand if I was hitler. So the suspicion of the message wasn't unreasonable. Why do you think the post is more likely to come from scum than town if you aren't implying that I'm trying to communicate with teammates. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
From Conversion's post even if I was Hitler I still wouldn't put more chance of Conversion being on my team compared to a town troll. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 31 2018 07:13 Grackaroni wrote: I'm saying that I think it would be a message that I would understand if I was hitler. So the suspicion of the message wasn't unreasonable. Why do you think the post is more likely to come from scum than town if you aren't implying that I'm trying to communicate with teammates. I am not exactly implying that. Or well yes kinda, i concede on that. What i mean is this is what happened: - prplhz makes a comment on something, people find that "communicating with teammates" (which i disagree with) - we have a discussion about it - consensus seems to be (?) that it's "too dumb to be scum" if trying to communicate with teammates - Grackaroni does [the post i am talking about] Now, i never said prplhz is trying to communicate with teammates. Because yes i find that to be stupid and afaik people agree because noone has pushed that avenue further. Right? Well after this, you do that what you did. I simply asked you why did you do that as town since: 1) i cant find any reason for you to say what you did as town 2) i think it would be very scumcaroni thing to do, to do the SAME thing that was just "shut down" except that this time it is real (but it's not really the same thing because it would ve vice versa, you wouldn't be telling hitler you are scum, you would be telling people who are scum to "claim" to you). Anddddd that was my original thought process, but yeah i get what you are saying now. I didn't actually consider the post you made to be part of the prplhz thing and as it is yeah you are right, there isn't anything wrong with that. I blame reading on phone.  But anyways much kudos to you if you actually did that as scum, probably best play of the game. ^^ Anyways i don't think that's the case considering how you reacted to this whole thing. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 31 2018 07:14 Grackaroni wrote: As far as I'm concerned you're just trying to cast suspicion on me by taking advantage of some players' paranoia from Conversion's response. And I don't think that's your town play. tbh i never cared anything about conversion's response. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 31 2018 07:24 Grackaroni wrote: The prplhz post I think could send a pretty decent signal that is unlikely to be picked up on. From Conversion's post even if I was Hitler I still wouldn't put more chance of Conversion being on my team compared to a town troll. true. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 31 2018 07:24 Grackaroni wrote: The prplhz post I think could send a pretty decent signal that is unlikely to be picked up on. Do you think it's unlikely to be picked up when prplhz basically said "i want to elect townies ofc, lets elect kita, idk what his alignment is"?????? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On October 31 2018 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think it's unlikely to be picked up when prplhz basically said "i want to elect townies ofc, lets elect kita, idk what his alignment is"?????? I agree I don't think it was a scum signal from Prplhz. I was just responding to Kita's question in kind of a jumbled way. I'm going to vote for the mission because I want Krogan to discard the card and I think even as scum if you're handed a liberal policy and a fascist policy you'll choose the liberal one for this mission rather than get contradicted by Krogan. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On October 31 2018 06:58 kitaman27 wrote: Why is that? Is it still the prpl connection or is there something else? Your posting style just kind of gives me bad vibes. You're very good at picking up town cred from talking about setup and giving advice and things. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On October 31 2018 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think it's unlikely to be picked up when prplhz basically said "i want to elect townies ofc, lets elect kita, idk what his alignment is"?????? That's not what happened. In most elections in mafia (mayor) you elect a combination of skill/dependability and townyness. In this game, skill isn't really a factor because the job of the president/chancellor is not particularly hard - choose liberal policies. So what I said was "the only thing that is important for president/chancellor, and the only thing the president should think about when choosing a chancellor, is that they are easy to read (and appear town)". happykrogan asked me why I was even thinking about this, my thought process, and I answered with my thought process. First, before the game had any posts, I thought "lets elect kita because he's nice", I might as well have thought "lets elect rayn because he likes to go to the sauna", it was pretty random. Then, secondly, and not simultaneously, I proceeded to think that townyness is the only thing that matters for me in a president/chancellor, and that the best person to elect is the one I find most likely town, rather than someone skilled or someone at random. For example, in most games, I often look at the 3 best players and then I sheep the one I think is most likely to be town. I don't sheep confirmed townies if I think they're unlikely to find scum. I this game, however, I will not just look at the 3 best players, I will only look at who is most townie, because the president/chancellor doesn't have to be good, their jobs are pretty simple and straight forward. I didn't randomly include kita in a list of people to elect, in the first post where I talk about him (in this post) I actually say that we should be wary of him because I think he's hard to read. I'm excluding him more than including him. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On October 31 2018 08:43 prplhz wrote: @happykrogran What do you think about Rels' idea of rejecting governments to buy time for making reads? I think we should just vote governments that will probably enact a liberal policy if they are able to do it. I don't think it makes sense to reject a governent you have townreads on, just because you want more time for reads. Als if you pass on a towny government, who knows if you get a better one until the election tracker reaches 3, which would probably enact a fascist policy. If you don't have a townread on the proposed government, then sure: go ahead and reject it, maybe you'll have time to make reads on the next one, but if you think they are probably liberal it doesn't make sense to reject it, just to have more time. As the first presidential candidate I am obviously biased, because I know we'd get a liberal president if we vote yes now. | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On October 31 2018 09:06 happykrogan wrote: Why was my answer for this question more important to you, than the answers of other people? Because you're up for election. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 31 2018 08:35 prplhz wrote: That's not what happened. In most elections in mafia (mayor) you elect a combination of skill/dependability and townyness. In this game, skill isn't really a factor because the job of the president/chancellor is not particularly hard - choose liberal policies. So what I said was "the only thing that is important for president/chancellor, and the only thing the president should think about when choosing a chancellor, is that they are easy to read (and appear town)". happykrogan asked me why I was even thinking about this, my thought process, and I answered with my thought process. First, before the game had any posts, I thought "lets elect kita because he's nice", I might as well have thought "lets elect rayn because he likes to go to the sauna", it was pretty random. Then, secondly, and not simultaneously, I proceeded to think that townyness is the only thing that matters for me in a president/chancellor, and that the best person to elect is the one I find most likely town, rather than someone skilled or someone at random. For example, in most games, I often look at the 3 best players and then I sheep the one I think is most likely to be town. I don't sheep confirmed townies if I think they're unlikely to find scum. I this game, however, I will not just look at the 3 best players, I will only look at who is most townie, because the president/chancellor doesn't have to be good, their jobs are pretty simple and straight forward. I didn't randomly include kita in a list of people to elect, in the first post where I talk about him (in this post) I actually say that we should be wary of him because I think he's hard to read. I'm excluding him more than including him. Okay. That makes a bit more sense. I am not completely sure if i still believe you but yeah that makes sense. I just react to comeents that seem "random" or "throwaway" as if they mean something because i personally believe everything you say in a mafia game means something and you are trying to do something with it. You comeent on kitaman came after we had discussed about how to elect people and what the strategy should be (mainly me, kita and kruger did that). You then took part of the discussion implying you think townie people should be elected and imo at that point also agreed with kruger and kitaman about how the "strategy" should be (aka whatever that was kitaman proposed). Then (and ONLY after the whole discussion) you said you wanted to elect kitaman while still talking about who to really elect, this post: On October 30 2018 09:39 prplhz wrote: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. Idk like this seems really weird post to me. It's like you at the same time realize what is correct way to do elections and then you say you thought about something else but it seems like at the time you thought so (the time of your question krogan is asking you about) you thought something else. I mean like, at the time you posted your "easy to read chancellor" question you have already implied you know (or at least think you know) which is the right way to do elections, but the answer you give to krogan implies you didn't (because why would you have asked the question in the first place if that is the case?). tldr; the explanation you give about your post to krogan doesn't imo line up with what you have been heavily implying you think at that time. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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