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byj
494 Posts
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote: I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why though, even if rayn was Scum, he'd be 'forced' to enact a liberal policy from what he posted. | ||
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byj
494 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 30 2018 12:55 byj wrote: sorry for the basically blank post, but 5AM here, or 6AM without time change. Do you consider you have shared many reads or useful thoughts after you said the above? | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On October 31 2018 12:43 byj wrote: Oh and is voting also done by PMing both hosts or only [UoN]? both hosts | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On October 31 2018 12:43 byj wrote: Oh and is voting also done by PMing both hosts or only [UoN]? Both I have a habit of forgetting to read PMs from time to time | ||
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byj
494 Posts
On October 31 2018 12:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you consider you have shared many reads or useful thoughts after you said the above? No, but I don't have any concrete feelings yet, some people make more sense than others, but it's nothing concrete yet. The lack of lynching doesn't help considering we won't get alignments until at least 3 Fascist policies have passed. Though for what it's worth if I were to just blindly pick I'd have a 3:4 chance of getting Scum | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 31 2018 23:17 byj wrote: No, but I don't have any concrete feelings yet, some people make more sense than others, but it's nothing concrete yet. The lack of lynching doesn't help considering we won't get alignments until at least 3 Fascist policies have passed. Though for what it's worth if I were to just blindly pick I'd have a 3:4 chance of getting Scum In a normal game its also certainly possible to lynch mafia on D1, aka make concrete reads. Making yourself readable and trying to figure things out makes your alignment clearer to other people, and makes poe for townies easier. Idk like... why should i consider you town atm? If you cant answer that, do you think you should do something about it? | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote: Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler. | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
On October 31 2018 12:42 byj wrote: Why though, even if rayn was Scum, he'd be 'forced' to enact a liberal policy from what he posted. Aside from the explanation on why I voted no, I don't quite like this questioning. Rayn isn't "forced" to do anything if he's scum/facist-- he can enact something and lie about it (making it him vs krogan, sending liberals into disarray, and trying to guarantee that Hitler/other Facist looks good) and still win the game. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote: Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. Eh this explanation is a lot more scummy now that you lay it out. It would be one thing to ask for more time by failing a few and then eventually passing, but now that I think of it, a policy to reject all governments is really anti-town. On our first draw FFF would be like 24% (someone check my math?), as opposed to a 65% chance (11/17) of a fail from a single draw. That's really, really far from optimal. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
On November 01 2018 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: Eh this explanation is a lot more scummy now that you lay it out. It would be one thing to ask for more time by failing a few and then eventually passing, but now that I think of it, a policy to reject all governments is really anti-town. On our first draw FFF would be like 24% (someone check my math?), as opposed to a 65% chance (11/17) of a fail from a single draw. That's really, really far from optimal. I'm rejecting the first one, optimal or not. I'm not actually going to reject every single government from here on out. Be back later, short break today. Interested to see votes, majority passing or not. | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 01 2018 01:28 Conversion wrote: I'm rejecting the first one, optimal or not. I'm not actually going to reject every single government from here on out. Be back later, short break today. Interested to see votes, majority passing or not. Do you have any reads on me or rayn? | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote: In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on. Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. How will votes on a government that didn't pass (on the first day at least) be more telling than a passed government? Like what can you get out of these votes that will help you to read people until you can vote for the next government? | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote: In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on. Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. Here is my problem with conversion's reasoning: As town you wanna do townie things, right? Lets say the strategy for passing first government for vote analysis is legit. But what happens when everyone implements this townie strategy (which they obvs should because townies should do townie things)? You have 8 no-votes, how are you going to do vote analysis? + there is the fact that just like rels, conversion doesnt seem to be doing anything, just asking for extra time. I mean, a townie thing would imo be if: Try to make reads -> too little time -> ask for more time And not; Do nothing -> ask for more time -> continue doing nothing | ||
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