EPT[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II - Page 7
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
I think it's more important to elect town president over chancellor right? I think it's a lot better more powerful to be able to discard cards than choose between cards. And it gives more information too about the cards left in the deck. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On October 31 2018 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: The main point is that sooner or later some goverment is going to draw 3F so like.... "unsuccesful" government doesnt always equal suspicious. Nor does succesful government equal townies since scum in some cases have incentive to elect liberal policies. Eh if players are electing liberal policies, I'm fine taking that risk as long as they keep producing good results and don't look sketchy otherwise. I think I see what you're saying with the 3F stuff, but that seems like something we can evaluate when it comes up. Either way, it looks like we're forced to elect separate people based on the rules of the 8 player setup. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 31 2018 03:30 kitaman27 wrote: Eh if players are electing liberal policies, I'm fine taking that risk as long as they keep producing good results and don't look sketchy otherwise. I think I see what you're saying with the 3F stuff, but that seems like something we can evaluate when it comes up. Either way, it looks like we're forced to elect separate people based on the rules of the 8 player setup. Technically we can swap with 4 players, but like... there is also hitler. You know scum win if hitler is elected as chancellor after i dont remember how many fascist policies. Do you get what that means? Or what may happen? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Grackaroni
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byj
529 Posts
 "Maybe, but how big is the chance that a random liberal just makes this joke?" What is the chance that a random liberal does anything? Also why would he do it on the first day, when he is up for voting next and gets intel from there on? And true about the voting totally forgot about that. | ||
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byj
529 Posts
On October 31 2018 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:You know scum win if hitler is elected as chancellor after i dont remember how many fascist policies. Do you get what that means? Or what may happen? 3 | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On October 31 2018 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Technically we can swap with 4 players, but like... there is also hitler. You know scum win if hitler is elected as chancellor after i dont remember how many fascist policies. Do you get what that means? Or what may happen? I'll probably make you chancellor for that. Don't think that comes from scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 25 2018 04:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The liberals win the game when either five liberal policies are enacted or Hitler is murdered. The fascists win the game when either six fascist policies are enacted or if Hitler is successfully elected as chancellor after the third fascist policy has been enacted. If we fuck up, even once, and fascist even by outing themselves fuck up 2 other times we might lose if hitler manages to get in town circle. Again, this isnt as simple as resistance. You can easily lose with find four townies and auto -strategy. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 31 2018 02:11 happykrogan wrote: Maybe I'm just way overthinking it but look: what if grack is in fact Hitler and sets this up, so the fascists can say exactly that and it appears as they made a joke. he does it and it looks like a joke and he shows that he understood. What do you think? Still too obvious? I don't think scum would be this obvious. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 31 2018 04:29 kitaman27 wrote: It sounds like we're talking about different situations. I'm saying roll with the good guys as long as we can and once we hit a fail, re-evaluate if it's a 3F or sabotage. Electing Hitler won't need to be something to worry about as much before that because we're not at that threshold. Once we do cross that threshold, it obviously becomes a bigger concern. The problem with "rolling with the good guys" is that it automatically restrains conversations about other people. Even if you managed to get four good guys, the amount of information fascist will provide to the thread is non-existent. I have never seen a game where there was less than three fascist policies enacted, regardless of how good the town managed to play, because the cards will "fail us" at some point with almost 100%. Fascists may even benefit of outing themselves by enacting a F policy when there is a town president who gives 1F1L. And if we are too far into not having proper reads it may be fatal. The point is, we need reads, and we need them early. We need fascists to give reads, so we can figure them out, because they too want to be part of the governments -- outing early results in sure loss. But if we get a town circle of four players, it really does restrain conversations on other people, because people can be lazy, can possibly not agree about the town circle, or can use that as a cover for not talking about other people (aka "i am not in the town circle lets talk about how townie i am and why i should be there instead of player X"). I mean like, once again, this isn't resistance where you can win with finding three other townies and then you just nominate them (if you are convincing enough -- in a 9 player game). Because when there is a fail you know scum did that. In this game when there is a fail you don't know if scum did that, and also it doesn't even matter if you find said scum as long as Hitler stays hidden until the right moment.... I don't really understand your point, you basically want a town circle and then, when stuff happens you don't want to have the town circle anymore? Why don't you just wanna find townies? ehh... well basically we are pretty much arguing the same thing since there is only five townies. I am sorry i didn't mean that we should like go through the playerlist, i was meaning we shouldn't enable a resistance-esque "strategy" because most likely it won't work. Basically my point in the end is that when the first government is elected, if it passes a L (or hopefully when), the second presidental candidate should be someone who cannot choose from the first group (aka that the president for the first group is not the player before the next president). It promotes WAY more discussion than anything else. I am sorry if i was unclear, i was not sure yesterday how much i am willing to say because obviously this might affect to how scum plays, but like... For the first legislative session, do not choose the player next to you in line for the chancellor. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote: I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread. I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for. | ||
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