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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:27 GMT
#1445
On February 09 2018 08:25 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you answer my post where i told you damdred's reads are not what you said they are?

whats there to say?
its a regurgitation of other peoples comments with no insight.

i disagree and i asked you why you think so.
so can you just answer, orr not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:33 GMT
#1448
On February 09 2018 08:31 Damdred wrote:
but i dont feel like i copied anyones reads

you certainly didn't, and especially where you ended up on with them is not a copy (which would be logical if what Mocsta says is true -- like you would call some scrub townies scum instead of the most unlikely scenario in almost anyone's mind).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:33 GMT
#1449
On February 09 2018 08:31 Mocsta wrote:
Essentially: the "pure" wagon all town argument is not valid in Damdred world, is because he asserts both mderg & rsoultin are scum.

If anything he should be more concerned about why they swapped between the 2; as mderg was not a lynch threat.

This is in particular evident given I was a Damdred scum read all game; and jumped ship ~10hrs before deadline and also AFK.

Instead, I am pure town and a big hole in story presents itself.

You jsut copied Holyflare's read. Does that make you mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:34 GMT
#1450
100% fucking copied.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:35 GMT
#1453
Okay i think i have done enough, sleepy time. Damdred don't let Mocsta get under your skin. Do something else than read this shit if you are getting annoyed.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:37 GMT
#1455
##vote Mocsta
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 09:42 GMT
#1550
There are a few reasons i think damdred is town.
He chose a route i wouldn't expect him to choose as mafia early on in the game (calling rsoultin and ritoky mafia).
He chose a route i wouldn't expect him to choose at the start of N1. He is basically not taking any of the outs being offered i think he could easily see 100 miles away as scum.
He chose to vote rsoultin over mderg (only a minor point but anyways).
He got all emo over something that wasn't really justified but it looks like he genuinely doesn't understand what people were trying to say and he genuinely thinks he has been ignored or misunderstood.
In all i think Damdred's play makes absolutely no sense as mafia.

I think Mocsta is completely misconstruing what Damdred's actions and when trying to elaborate more onto that he cannot give a reasonable answer. He just picked a post that looks bad and made it look like it's a mafia post for some invented reason.

I don't really think Conversion is mafia. He just feels like a person who has absolutely no idea what he should do. Just because i have more scumreads and he doesn't fit anywhere. purplehaze is the least town of my townreads, just because after a bit townie D1 he has gone back to only commenting on "good post", "funny post", "this" and nothing more.

I don't think df is mafia for his eod1. I think this summarized it quite well:
It was extremely reminiscent of what he did against hf. He took a small thing and turned it into a larger thing and diverted the thread from discussinf the lynch into who cased tina first. It was pointless did not help town.

like lets assume that tina is town, df auccessfully pushed hf (maybe) to not vote town tina instead hf goes onto his scum partnwr mderg when the other people on mdeeg are afk.

Like, this looks like a mafia thing to do for sure but if you account the situation it doesn't make any sense as mafia to do that. If df is mafia then the plan was not to bus (because he could have just voted for mderg if the plan was to bus), instead he chose not to bus but then do stuff that has a low chance of helping lynch town instead of mafia. Makes no sense. Obviously this doesn't matter if rsoultin is mafia but i have already said why that one doesn't work either on df being scum. df also has the "i am choosing a route that is very unlikely to work" thing after D1 in case he is mafia.

I made a post on disformation here, it doesn't make sense, he couldn't give anywhere reasonable answer. Obviously noone in teh fucking game cares. Why do i even try? It is especially funny for Koshi who thinks i should be doing something and when i do something obviously that gets ignored. But it doesn't matter Koshi, i will just do what i do, then you start calling me obvious scum at some point, then i call you bad, then you lynch me, then i call you bad again. I think you're lynching town rn, and i know how Damdred feels.

ftr the one i am not calling mafia today has a veeeery weird reaction to Damdred's emo burst. I think it's a bad reaction from someone who is supposed to know Damdred better.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 10:07 GMT
#1552
Here is disformation answer btw
On February 09 2018 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:04 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:35 disformation wrote:
@rayn:
i think i got distracted by koshi's great ass, or something.
but yeah got nothing of value to post rn so i think ill go to bed for rels now

I would loved if you told me what you were actually thinking but okay, maybe you're mafia then when you can't do that -- as i am not allowed to call rsoultin mafia.

*shrugs*
think i picked trfel as my first person to look at cause I didnt remember anything from skimming at work. saw some stuff about conversion convincing him to switch his read on rs. looked at conversion. saw conversions part with @mderg. posted about that.

other than that i was just throwing around ideas. in my mind i think i did look at vote stuff a bit, but didnt end up getting anywhere with that, which is why i stopped. yeah stuff like:
On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote:
ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum.
hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently.

outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not.

On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.

On February 08 2018 07:09 disformation wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:57 darthfoley wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.


indeed

mderg (5):: ritoky, Mocsta, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare
rsoultin (4): Conversion, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Damdred
Trfel (1): prplhz
darthfoley (2): mderg, rsoultin

Not Voting (1): Rels

ritoky as explained.
trfel did some waffling, so he could have made it onto either wagon imo.
koshi's eod seems to make sense.
holyflare as explained.
prplhz didnt give a fuck. so prolly not him either.
conv did some waffling, so he could have switched too.

rest i need to look at again


looks fairly straightforward to me

Wel lyou didn't answer anything since the first quote in my post clearly says you want to look at people who were on rsoultin. Then you did something else and now you tell how you ended up from there to somewhere else.

Aka you never say why you, after saying you wanna look at the other wagon, didn't actually do so but did something else instead.

hmm... i think i ended up looking at why trfel switched off rs instead.
probably cause i wanted to.

yeah you probably wanted to do that instead what you said you wanted to do.
seems good.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 11:26 GMT
#1557
If you, Koshi, think i would defend a lynchbait'y Damdred and try to instead lynch someone who is basically unlynchable, as mafia, then you are the dumbest person on the planet. So there is that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 11:27 GMT
#1558
On February 09 2018 20:03 Mocsta wrote:
seriously, im more than happy to lynch rayn first

will benefit thread regardless.

i dont care how tunneled you are.. even DF dropped his scum read on me after the mderg wagon.
rayn on the other hand.. this play makes sense to me as scum for 2 reasons
(1) He wants to shit up town atmosphere and thinks I will bite back
(2) Senses there are some ppl that would consider my lynch (e.g. ritoky and conversion)

its quite a safe play (very similar to what i decided to do with Holyflare on day2 of previous game).

I honestly won't read any of your posts because after your rsoultin case every single thing you have scumread someone for is that you create your own narrative and make it fit to what someone posted. It's bad, and if you are not in fact mafia then you should not do it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 20:33 GMT
#1627
On February 10 2018 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
Hahahahahahahahaha my manager told me to leave at 4 and here I am 7.30 just leaving.

Dont worry bby i still got until 0030 am left and 0630 am back.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 20:50 GMT
#1628
I saw a couple of trash tier posts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 20:55 GMT
#1629
On February 10 2018 00:10 disformation wrote:
nah is fine. is super interesting game.
also noted that on pages like 30-35 there was some talk about df. think rayn had him as his #2 scumread. could be him trying to steer the lynch but running out of time? not sure. could see him just bus, if he is running out of time to play.

This is one. Again obviously noone notices.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 21:18 GMT
#1632
I am not angry. Well i am a little, at you. And because of that i will not reveal the strategy which almost always wins the game regardless of who is right or wrong. So you can then solve the game by yourself Koshi, i am just writing who i think is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 23:22 GMT
#1643
I am trying to talk directly to you Holyflare because talking to Koshi is like talking to a brick. It is quite funny actually that when Koshi happens to be right D1, if he doesn't die during night 1 the town is more likely to lose the game since he feels like a champion and completely unable to listen to anyone else. I tried for a while during N1 but then i decided to throw because i never even got to my point Koshi just pushed whatever he thinks was the correct idea. I am gonna try once more, if this goes to deaf ears then for all i care you can murder me because i don't really feel like playing let's see if Koshi finds mafia game.

What i tried to heavily imply during night 1 is to not cop check rsoultin. I am not sure if there is a normal cop who checked rsoultin but a green on her should always be claimed (obviously red too -- but green yes, only on her). The reason is that rsoultin, if not confirmed green, is always the bast lynch D2. It doesn't even fucking matter if she flips town. Always lynch the counter-wagon who mafia refused to vote on to save themselves, always.

Option 1: rsoultin flips town
We can, in this situation always assume that everyone on mderg wagon are town. Mocsta could maybe bus but who cares, that's for later, never care about that until lylo. That leaves the following people, who either voted for rsoultin or off-wagon:

Damdred
darthfoley
disformation
Conversion
raynpelikoneet
prplhz

You have a pool of 6 people who can be mafia.
- If you have 2 blues in those, game over. Town wins.
- If you have 1 blue in those, game over, town wins (2 lynches until lylo and mislynch every time -> 2 mafia 1 town in that pool in lylo) almost always, only retarded town loses here.
- If you have zero blues there you have to actually make reads..... Let's see what we have here very quickly:

Damdred - pushes the anti-mafia idea all N1 and D2
darthfoley - pushes the anti-mafia idea all N1 and D2
disformation - hasn't said anything, i don't even know if he has scumreads
Conversion - Koshi sheeple and master of inconsistancies
raynpelikoneet - you can think whatever you want
prplhz - he could have technically even saved mderg with him, so is extremely unlike to be mafia

The thing is, if you can even rule out ONE person there, who isn't mafia, you win the game. I can rule out fucking 3, easily. The dudes who push the anti-mafia idea. Ironically Koshi's lynch list at the moment is the three people who push the correct town play aka me/df/damdred. So yeah, go listen to Koshi if you want to.

Option 2: rsoultin flips mafia
Game opens up a lot, but who cares, we lynched mafia.




The thing is Holyflare, rn three people say very very stupid stuff. rsoultin, Mocsta and disformation.

disformation made a post where he suggested that i am mafia and i was either trying to bus df (over rsoultin lynch), or trying to find an alternative lynch. Vote situation at the time 5 on rsoultin, some random 1's on some random other people. You srsly think that conclusion makes any fucking sense in any world at all? Then there is his conversion read and how he ended up reading conversion and how he ended up explaining himself after. It smells super fucking bs.

I genuinely believe Mocsta has slipped. Deal with it. I could possibly back off from that but everything that comes out of his keyboard so far is either copy of someone else or taking some post and inventing a (horrible) scum reasoning for it. Then there is the post where his #1 scumread (me) tells him that, and he somehow gets offended??? OF course i am trying to shit on his reads if i am mafia. I get Damdred getting emotionally "too invested" in the game and taking offense on something he shouldn't, but Mocsta, who himself continuosly tells other people they are bad? No fucking way.

I don't even care to write about rsoultin because i don't see a single townie thing she has done this game. Koshi sees all the townie things ofc but i don't, so there is that.




I only made my promise to Koshi because i was very annoyed at him, and i still am. If you happen to realize i have all day been sarcastic about it. I don't care what Koshi says, i don't care what he does, he can try to solve the game by himself if he wants to. Maybe he even can. But that will happen without me as he doesn't do anything but shit on everything someone he doesn't like in this game for whatever reason says.

So yeah, there is that.

#unvote
##vote rsoultin

I don't care what alignment she is, it is just the correct play based on D1 end.
Do whatever you want to, my vote stays.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 23:33 GMT
#1647
Another ironical thing is that people are called mafia because they didn't vote for mafia, without knowing rsoultin's alignment. If rsoultin is in fact mafia suddenly people who voted for rsoultin are just as fucking townies than almost everyone else in the game. I can deal with being called being wrongor bad when i am wrong but not when i don't even know if i was wrong or not. Making voting analysis without knowing rsoultin's alignment is RETARDED, and the way D1 ended NEVER EVER suggests in ANY WAY that rsoultin is town. Never. Fucking. Ever.

Yet Koshi already shits on people because they were wrong and he was right.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 23:35 GMT
#1651
On February 10 2018 08:32 Holyflare wrote:
I think rayn is absolutely town and you're all shit for thinking otherwise.

Me too, i also think rsoultin jsut started doign the thing she always does as mafia.
I won't bite because i don't have time for it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 23:38 GMT
#1654
On February 10 2018 08:36 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2018 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
On February 10 2018 08:34 rsoultin wrote:
On February 10 2018 08:32 Holyflare wrote:
I think rayn is absolutely town and you're all shit for thinking otherwise.

Rayn is absolutely not town and I'll Lord it over you forever (Or until I forget lol)


It's a good thing you're very convincing this game.

Doesn't matter. Lynch Joni after I flip town. It's on you if you don't and you can't blame me at that point.

Why don't you just counter the case since obviously that's bad because i am mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 23:43 GMT
#1656
Actually to be fair it seems like Mocsta made a copule of townie posts lately, but only a couple.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 09 2018 23:47 GMT
#1658
Ah so you played the "you can never vote for me unless you are scum" -card.
Clever.
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