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On February 06 2018 20:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:22 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
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his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.
non committal.
posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read? On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.
koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. Oh lol >< I do remember you posting that...I guess I just didn't see that as a strong reason to townread someone so it didn't register. To be clear, it's valid enough for D1 or if it happens consistently, but I wouldn't put that much weight on one comment/reaction that lines up.
why not? i am a firm believer that 1 moment can make someone irrevocably town or mafia; and that people too often lose sight of those defining moments in favor of the "what have you done for me recently point of view", often to their detriment.
as for the out of context bit. to me it reads as "hey this is my read, what's your opinion?" (which i had already given) not "hey lynch this person with me. hop on bruh" like trfel tries to make it seem. it's not the worst case, but it's enough so he doesn't get to sit at the awesome table.
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i mean we are talking about why trfel is a 5 and not a 7, so ofc it isn't a huge deal. it just gives me pause because in that moment he seems more interested in winning the argument and making the other guy look dumb than thoroughly evaluate his alignment.
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Honest question Koshi, why do you scum read me every game?
Is it like a reaction test thing to get a read? Is it something I do? Is it for shits? Is it a respect thing?
You don't have to answer during the game I suppose, I just don't really play anymore so I would like to know. On my end it always comes off as like a disappointed dad thing where he's yelling at you for not being good enough every time even though you're trying your best.
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Fair enough, I will fuck off.
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It's still 9 more hours until my birthday in my timezone; but thank you.
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I understand and agree with your point about rsoul HF. I also don't know who she thinks is actually scum after all that posting. However when I was talking with her last night, she seemed genuinely confused about my alignment and posting. It didn't feel like it was coming from a place of certainty or agenda. So I am inclined to think she isn't red even though the vast majority of her filter is defensive.
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df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn?
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On February 07 2018 08:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 08:21 darthfoley wrote:On February 07 2018 08:18 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2018 08:12 darthfoley wrote:On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote:
df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn? I started to think about how his comparison of my last game (I was scum) and this game is not accurate. He followed closely in the obs last game and I believe the points he made in this game about me were wrong. There have also been many whisperings of scum DF so it's the type of read I could see a mafia making to blend in with the crowd and see if it's worth pursuing later. Plus he wrote a fucking essay on rsoultin saying like two sentences. See my Mocsta irritation LOL I dont think you are playing like last game. However, I also find you are less globally transparent than your recent town games in the database. What I continue to not understand is: You think I am scum for Reasons XYZ. Are you not concerned that it has been me suggesting you are not scum - for being comfortable in the spotlight? The way you talk about me, at the very least, I would expect you to latch onto this stuff. Talking about Rayn's read on me, not yours. Your question suggests that mafia never white knight someone. You defending me has no alignment indication, especially when 3-4 people have floated my name. This is my problem with you this game, if you are town. You take anything from my filter, and construe it into the worst-possible outcome. Why does it have to be so black and white? Im really perplexed by this.
I am confused....isn't the reason he doesn't like you because he feels you made a mountain out of a mole hill and basically made an unnecessary wall of text trying to enforce a felony for what he felt was a misdemeanor? How exactly is that filter manipulation?
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On February 07 2018 08:28 Koshi wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafiaDidn't play in it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafiaWas judge. Dnu how hard I scumread you but at worst I nominated you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvididn't play init http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/519746-generic-mini-mafiaI was mafia in it. You were 15 times in my filter. 0 times I called you mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revengedidn't play init http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafiaI was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512552-palmars-purge-crisis-and-turmoil-in-liquidiaI was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafiaShow nested quote +On May 25 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
damn so many posts. HF might have made some sense. I stopped reading JAT his posts. Too boring. Really. Insane how boring.
I think ritoky is town so I'll entertain his TW read. I am pretty sure ritoky is town btw.
Superbia I'll read later, around D3. I am skipping his posts as well. There is such a big difference in his posting town vs mafia it isn't even funny. And he is posting stuff. Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post)
ritoky town
superbia 100% town
ls townish
hf made some sense and did really retarded shit which he does more as town than mafia
Damdred extremely bad or mafia.
Palmar afk
marv afk
Rels afk
JAT superduper boring
others are meh. I don't know about Tumble. Ritoky might have made a point but on the other hand... I can see him be mafia though. But I wouldn't lynch him D1. Cuz he did make a post that made way more sense if he is town over mafia. Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2016 20:44 Rels wrote:On May 25 2016 20:37 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2016 20:23 Rels wrote:On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post) Why ? On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
ritoky town Why ? On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
Damdred extremely bad or mafia. Why ? 1) he said that marv was probably the best lynch. probably being the key word. 2) effort and then more effort when that is obviously not required. + his posts are pretty good, he is just imho wrong on TW. But his posts are quite obviously written by a townie. 3) not answering this one because you clearly didn't bother to read his filter. fuck off. I have 0 read on kush so I won't fight this. I disagree with the ritoky's read, he has put himself in a position where he does not need to do anything apart from responding to people. When someone types a code he responds to it. He didn't do anything that wasn't required. I agree his posts are good, he has good points on Tumble, he has good points on Superbia but the conclusion is stupid given his points, his post on SL is kinda useless. I just read the whole game, it's true he didn't do much recently but the first impression was super good. I understood every thoughts of him and I agreed with his lynch list at the time it was posted. ritoky obvious town. pls. Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 20:49 Koshi wrote:
1. Holyflare obvious town
2. Damdred obvious trash
3. ritoky obvious town
4. Rels nullish town
5. LightningStrike pretty town
7. Palmar anti town trash
8. marvellosity afk
9. justanothertownie boring turtle
10. sicklucker obvious town
11. Superbia wounded animal
12. Tumblewood obvious town
13. nnn_thekushmountains nullish town Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 22:04 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2016 22:00 Tumblewood wrote:
Koshi why is rit town Cuz I can see a town write the words he wrote. If a townie writes a case on a townie it will be false, but it is still a townie who wrote it. AND THE KICKER IS YOU WERE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eventually I figured it out though: Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 08:26 Koshi wrote:
ritoky broke his gameplan to defend HF which he had no business to defend. Proof? The reason he used. Nothing in the thread indicated fear lynching. Both marv and Palmar had reasoning and some other guy as well. And JAT and myself lynched HF for the retarded piece of shit selfvote.
While his push on Rels wasn't horrible when I read it, and it kinda was a very long shot for an attempt to save a scumbuddy, the fact he ended up on HF is ridiculous. Why would he end up on HF and not just stick on his Rels read? There was no reason for him to eventually end up on HF. Nothing. Nada.
I will reread ritoky and his case on Rels and other cases but in this moment I am 100% sure he is mafia. And I am so sure I am sure I will not change my point of view bar some really really really damning evidence on somebody else.
HF was also mafia. And I was shot N1. Goddamn I was good in 2017
These were all your games for 18 months. Went back to May 2016 and your filter doesn't go more back. So I really don't know why you are such a whiny bitch atm. I didn't scumread you in 1.5 years.
Hm, maybe I am wrong and my memory is colored incorrectly by old experiences or that you default to calling me mafia a lot as mafia. I know that dota game you railed on me pretty hard for a good long time. I also know that paint game you nominated me almost every phase until I became confirmed town. But also considering 4 of the 8 games we didn't play together and you effectively discarding 2 of them; it is a pretty awful sample size.
Nonetheless I stand corrected, and will proceed to stop my whiny bitchyness.
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I mean statistically damdred is more likely mafia than wrong about my alignment, so there's that.
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On February 07 2018 08:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 08:43 ritoky wrote:On February 07 2018 08:28 Koshi wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafiaDidn't play in it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafiaWas judge. Dnu how hard I scumread you but at worst I nominated you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvididn't play init http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/519746-generic-mini-mafiaI was mafia in it. You were 15 times in my filter. 0 times I called you mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revengedidn't play init http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafiaI was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512552-palmars-purge-crisis-and-turmoil-in-liquidiaI was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafiaOn May 25 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
damn so many posts. HF might have made some sense. I stopped reading JAT his posts. Too boring. Really. Insane how boring.
I think ritoky is town so I'll entertain his TW read. I am pretty sure ritoky is town btw.
Superbia I'll read later, around D3. I am skipping his posts as well. There is such a big difference in his posting town vs mafia it isn't even funny. And he is posting stuff. On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post)
ritoky town
superbia 100% town
ls townish
hf made some sense and did really retarded shit which he does more as town than mafia
Damdred extremely bad or mafia.
Palmar afk
marv afk
Rels afk
JAT superduper boring
others are meh. I don't know about Tumble. Ritoky might have made a point but on the other hand... I can see him be mafia though. But I wouldn't lynch him D1. Cuz he did make a post that made way more sense if he is town over mafia. On May 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2016 20:44 Rels wrote:On May 25 2016 20:37 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2016 20:23 Rels wrote:On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post) Why ? On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
ritoky town Why ? On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
Damdred extremely bad or mafia. Why ? 1) he said that marv was probably the best lynch. probably being the key word. 2) effort and then more effort when that is obviously not required. + his posts are pretty good, he is just imho wrong on TW. But his posts are quite obviously written by a townie. 3) not answering this one because you clearly didn't bother to read his filter. fuck off. I have 0 read on kush so I won't fight this. I disagree with the ritoky's read, he has put himself in a position where he does not need to do anything apart from responding to people. When someone types a code he responds to it. He didn't do anything that wasn't required. I agree his posts are good, he has good points on Tumble, he has good points on Superbia but the conclusion is stupid given his points, his post on SL is kinda useless. I just read the whole game, it's true he didn't do much recently but the first impression was super good. I understood every thoughts of him and I agreed with his lynch list at the time it was posted. ritoky obvious town. pls. On May 25 2016 20:49 Koshi wrote:
1. Holyflare obvious town
2. Damdred obvious trash
3. ritoky obvious town
4. Rels nullish town
5. LightningStrike pretty town
7. Palmar anti town trash
8. marvellosity afk
9. justanothertownie boring turtle
10. sicklucker obvious town
11. Superbia wounded animal
12. Tumblewood obvious town
13. nnn_thekushmountains nullish town On May 25 2016 22:04 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2016 22:00 Tumblewood wrote:
Koshi why is rit town Cuz I can see a town write the words he wrote. If a townie writes a case on a townie it will be false, but it is still a townie who wrote it. AND THE KICKER IS YOU WERE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eventually I figured it out though: On May 26 2016 08:26 Koshi wrote:
ritoky broke his gameplan to defend HF which he had no business to defend. Proof? The reason he used. Nothing in the thread indicated fear lynching. Both marv and Palmar had reasoning and some other guy as well. And JAT and myself lynched HF for the retarded piece of shit selfvote.
While his push on Rels wasn't horrible when I read it, and it kinda was a very long shot for an attempt to save a scumbuddy, the fact he ended up on HF is ridiculous. Why would he end up on HF and not just stick on his Rels read? There was no reason for him to eventually end up on HF. Nothing. Nada.
I will reread ritoky and his case on Rels and other cases but in this moment I am 100% sure he is mafia. And I am so sure I am sure I will not change my point of view bar some really really really damning evidence on somebody else.
HF was also mafia. And I was shot N1. Goddamn I was good in 2017
These were all your games for 18 months. Went back to May 2016 and your filter doesn't go more back. So I really don't know why you are such a whiny bitch atm. I didn't scumread you in 1.5 years. Hm, maybe I am wrong and my memory is colored incorrectly by old experiences or that you default to calling me mafia a lot as mafia. I know that dota game you railed on me pretty hard for a good long time. I also know that paint game you nominated me almost every phase until I became confirmed town. But also considering 4 of the 8 games we didn't play together and you effectively discarding 2 of them; it is a pretty awful sample size. Nonetheless I stand corrected, and will proceed to stop my whiny bitchyness. Discarded what? The games I am mafia in? I highly highly doubt I called you mafia in those that it broke your spirit. I don't play as scum like that. If you like I can read them. But why would I because I know you are wrong. So I didn't discard shit. And the fact I nominated you doesn't mean shit. You should have not have this "disappointing" dad feeling because you get nominated. And I know a reason why I nominated you is because you insulted the judges ingame for no fucking reason at all. Anyway. w.e.
I think I insulted you guys because you kept listening to the reads of a guy who I felt was clearly mafia (and I think turned out to be). But I agree it is neither here nor there.
Honestly, thank you though. I never would have gone back and looked if I had an incorrect mental block/aversion to you; I would have just kept assuming it was right. I will try to get past it now/going forward and not associate it with you.
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You called rels town one time df. It was strange and off-putting. But I love your kick ass, take names, and fuck off tone. It makes me slightly hard.
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Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right?
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On February 07 2018 09:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 09:10 ritoky wrote:
Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right? i can rescind 1min before deadline. 5 votes now, doesnt mean 5 votes @ deadline.
well i meant rescind the claim. i kinda thought it was fake and a reaction test for a good while. but you never took it back so.....
but that doesn't make mechanical sense? like if you try to lynch her and refund your bomb you risk just dying with your shot; whereas if you place the bomb on her and try to lynch some1 else you require there to be a mechanical answer in the game to prevent your kill?
eh i shouldn't bother directing blues if he is claiming blue, just let him do his shit and worry about it in the days to come.
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oh wow....that's why you think rels is town....if that is the read you're making, isn't that against the rules?
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i believe df is using the nationality ascribed to his role and rels post to get a read.....altho i really don't think i should be posting about it cuz it feels icky.
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i think rayn is town.
if rayn and hf are both town, game is in good shape.
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i am pretty sold on:
holyflare
rayn
darthfoley
then like next tier is probably:
rsoul
trfel
then there's a lot of confusion
then probably bottom tier is:
damdred
mderg
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really i am most sold on darthfoley as town. cuz he was angle shooting, and angle shooting is almost exclusively a town trait.
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