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On November 19 2017 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:


If you can tell us your mafia buddies, I will be more than glad to just chill and get along.

Ignore the other person that called you retarded, he's just that mean. Cooperating with us is in your best interests.

Btw, let's not get too deep into these web of associations this early on.

Who would you choose as scum out of KelsierSC/Ruxxar/Damdred? One pick.

On November 19 2017 11:23 Conversion wrote:
surprised oats isn't calling people scum/bad left and right for once though

On November 19 2017 11:56 Chezinu wrote:

Has anyone notice the amount of questions this game?

Do you think we should be questioning these questions?

Does asking questions and answering questions with questions hide your true motives and draw attend to the question instead of the individual unless the question is about someone or the question is so questionable that it begs to question?

On November 19 2017 21:03 ruXxar wrote:


"jarring effect"... The dude has barely posted 3 lines in total.
Care to explain what you mean?

On November 20 2017 00:31 Z-BosoN wrote:


Is this “Ruxx is town” echo chamber related to his meta? O feel like Im missing something.

I feel like Im missing something.

Also, what are your thoughts on Tumblewood and holyflare?

On November 20 2017 02:27 Hapahauli wrote:




If you think Boson is town, why do you give a shit?

DF post string is pretty scummy. Too much indecisive shade throwing and too much trust in Chez over one super non-alignment indicative post.

#Vote Darthfoley

On November 20 2017 03:36 Oatsmaster wrote:

Yeah I literally didn't post after my first 3-4 posts.
So this is just lazy

On November 20 2017 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why is proposing a smaller pool to get opinions scummy?

On November 20 2017 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Even though the df wagon looks super fast growing and not much defence against him or whatever I also think it's a good wagon. Even for the points hapa brought up but also because he just throws out free town reads for really random posts like Chezinu's posts etc.

On November 20 2017 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Even though the df wagon looks super fast growing and not much defence against him or whatever I also think it's a good wagon. Even for the points hapa brought up but also because he just throws out free town reads for really random posts like Chezinu's posts etc.

On November 20 2017 09:22 Holyflare wrote:




I'm sorry is my reading comprehension bad or is it that you specifically said you wouldn't want to ever lynch chezinu in a game where we are specifically meant to lynch mafia to win?

On November 20 2017 18:07 Holyflare wrote:


Complete polar opposite to how he looks to me.

On November 20 2017 23:52 Damdred wrote:
Hiya, im here now and should be all day.

DF usually you are more aggressive especially about not getting lynched, what is happening? and what do you thinl about anyone in the game?

On November 20 2017 03:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Darth and Ruxxar are probably worth taking a look at.

The feeling I get from rux is that he is asking people to justify or explain things that aren't that difficult to comprehend. It felt like he trying to give the illusion of activity.



This followed up by asking me to explain a feeling read, I don't know how you can explain feelings.


Then again I really didn't like anything darth posted and it felt like he was just trying to mimic thread opinion and almost try and pocket rux.








darth perhaps you can explain why I have to give a full explanation for my TW read which you don't think I have enough basis for, but you can also read TW as scummy.

I probably have darth as my top lynch. I doubt that mafia darth would link up with mafia rux that hard so perhaps rux is ok I just don't think his questions are that useful.

On November 21 2017 00:04 Holyflare wrote:
Are you just blatantly claiming mafia and flailing lol?

On November 21 2017 00:14 Holyflare wrote:


Why you posting shit like this when more than half the game isn't doing much? Useless fluff to appear like scum hunting? Probably.

On November 20 2017 18:28 Stanislav Petrov wrote:

You're trying to stop it right now. The 'nobody is trying to stop it so therefore the accused is innocent' argument sound good in theory but has rarely proved accurate in my experience. And that's without considering how disastrous it would be to let that become meta. The facts are darthfoley is the most suspicious person, so we should lynch him.

On November 19 2017 08:45 Stanislav Petrov wrote:

I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me.
Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers

On November 20 2017 02:11 Tumblewood wrote:
i'm liking df from his page 8 stuff. especially his read on boson - it's observant but he doesn't just rail on it

On November 21 2017 00:34 Tumblewood wrote:

not that it's a long filter but i never actually defended you. i townread you in one post and asked a question in another. and that was it, except now i have to defend myself. you think that i, as mafia, would prefer to have 0 scumreads and just defend people (which people hate every time i do it)?
and u would rail on it if you needed to fake-SR someone (as mafia) and you had a decent point to push them with.

On November 21 2017 00:57 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm probably going to not be around at deadline as it conflicts with my gym schedule but I'll give where i'm at right now and come to a decision before I leave

The group i'd want to lynch out of would be . df,tumble,stan,conversion,oats and ruxxar. I'm not going to consider anyone else for D1,

On November 21 2017 01:09 KelsierSC wrote:
First outcome would be I don't want to lynch oats, I had his name down because it had come up in the thread a few times but I actually like the vibe I get from him and he posted a few things that I found myself nodding to so he's ok.

I don't want to lynch stan, I initially didn't like how he just came out of nowhere and voted darth when the pressure was on darth. But thinking about it more and reading Stan I get the impression that he isn't trying to make friends or hang back and blend in . He was pretty aggressive early on and then just comes out of nowhere with no justification and puts the vote out there.If i'm mafia in that situation I probably say something like
"oh kelsier was scummy but seems ok now and I like the pressure people have put on df so have him as scum"
Yeh I like Stan as town the more I think about it.

On November 21 2017 01:25 Conversion wrote:
DF can you explain your TW read? or rehash it if you did already

On November 21 2017 01:27 Conversion wrote:
I don't like the fact that no one is calling me stupid/bad and that darthfoley is agreeing with me

probably amounts to nothing, but I don't like it

On November 21 2017 01:33 KelsierSC wrote:


Why is conversion town?

On November 21 2017 01:41 Koshi wrote:
Opened hapa and palmar tgeir filter. Then decided to open hf filter against better judgement. Now I am very sad.

I have it on good authority that there are 3 mafia. So it is ok to ml a couple times.

This is all the help I will give town today. Maybe I will be mpre generous in future days.

On November 21 2017 01:44 ruXxar wrote:


Talk to me about koshi.

On November 21 2017 01:43 Koshi wrote:
Oh. And that it is alwaus better to not lynch people that have a possible scumpool. Free pro tip.

On November 21 2017 02:20 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
I intended to me more active but I've been having a fever with a killer headache so I've just done some casual reading and lurking. But I'll be here aswell untill the lynch aswell but as of now I don't see a reason to switch target.

Oat's have definitely been getting away with doing the bare minimum, spam, unserious accusations and asking non-important questions in a 2 page filter.

On Conversation. If he hadn't voted me I'd say he's done nothing but throw questions into the air and hope somebody else picked them up and pushed them for him which is scum play. But he did vote me but looking at that because it also feels ungenuine to me. He sheeped Kelsier for the case and didn't aggressively accuse me of being scum as much as he voted me as a parking vote to pressure me to come back and explain something fairly non-important. And has no other scumreads. I don't like that it feels like he's both pushing me superhard by singling me out as his only scumread and at the same time isn't pressuring me hard at all but just says come back and explain this and until you do I'll have an alibi for voting you.

On November 21 2017 02:23 Conversion wrote:
and yet you still fail to explain your DF read.. can you stop deflecting onto irrelevant fluff and answer the question you acknowledged in your long paragraph of nothing against me?

On November 21 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote:


Let’s get a koshi lynch going baby. You know you want to.

On November 21 2017 02:43 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Okey I'll adress this exactly ones because it's taking up way to much threadspace.
Why I think darthfoley is mafia.
1)There was the Boson contradiction
2)His only reads are town
3)His not lynching chez post (Yes it's an unserious joke but mafia are more inclined to write a excuse for doing something both because they have a desire to guard themselves from any inqusitive people before they ask and because since they don't have genuine thoughts they write down their reason so they don't forget themselves)

The first 2 are the major points and they had been stated by others, It add's nothing for me to say it again or by rephrasing it slightly so it looks like my own thoughts.

4)So far darthfoley has still not tried to make a case on anybody else despite being the lynchcandiate.

On November 21 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:


You think oats filter is bad? Try reading koshi.

On November 21 2017 02:59 Damdred wrote:


Last three or four games hes been hyperactive oats with the wffort.

On November 21 2017 03:02 Z-BosoN wrote:


Umm... Im the only one that said Stan is being all over the place. Im also not happy with lynching you... so....

On November 21 2017 03:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
well he has 50 games.
ok so he's just a black box to me then.



I see. And do you agree with that pseudo-defense?

On November 21 2017 03:38 ruXxar wrote:


No seriously this is bs. You are the sole guy voting for TW and you leave the rest of us with 2 wagons telling us not to screw up.

That’s some shady shit if I’ve ever seen it.

On November 21 2017 03:46 Damdred wrote:
I think it is a bad post but not scum indicative.

On November 21 2017 04:13 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why not pick one?
Oh right, you are keeping your options open to jump on any of those that gain traction

On November 21 2017 04:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nah not lynching holyflare today.

Darth, at that point you were. Why did you continuously ask people about the 3 people in that post?

On November 21 2017 04:25 Oatsmaster wrote:

Ok so this is just really weird. I asked zbo if he wanted to waste his vote on holyflare and this is how he responded.

None of that says HF. And it's extremely defensive.

I want everyone to vote for darth.

On November 21 2017 04:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
And then Petrov voted for DF so I don't feel inclined to push Petrov over DF

On November 21 2017 04:35 Oatsmaster wrote:

Im painting DF as scummy for not having a specific person he thinks is mafia and wants to Lynch/vote for until like 2 hours ago.

I don't care if he tries to survive, I care if he paints it like he thinks everyone is equally scummy and asking people which one they want to Lynch.

On November 21 2017 04:54 Z-BosoN wrote:


No case for Stan, but his filter is not too long. Only came up when summoned, random 180s, sheeped someone he didn't think was scum earlier, etc.

I think he has some chance of flipping red, but I'm preferring HF because of a heuristic: "I would think he would be less 180-like gratuitously in day one if he was scum"

On November 21 2017 05:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I need to read through what happened.

On November 21 2017 05:59 Oatsmaster wrote:

Can you give me a scenario that of why Stan would 180 into voting you when he's under like 0 pressure himself

On November 21 2017 06:05 KelsierSC wrote:


yeh pretty fucking bad

don't know how TW didn't get lynched.

Some comment oats made was pretty fucking special something like "why does mafia tw defend town df"... yeh buddy because mafia never defends town.

Oats has played enough games to know that comment is really stupid or he has been repeatedly stomped in the head since we last played.

Probably lynch between oats and TW tomorrow.

On November 21 2017 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote:

Link me a game where mafia hard defends town day 1

On November 21 2017 07:36 Z-BosoN wrote:


Could you please link that?

On November 22 2017 00:48 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
The case on me was so bad and it's insane to me that it picked up as much momentum as it did. I feel like anyone who voted for me or accepted me as a lynch either must have not bothered to check the case in the slightest which is odd since I had like 7 posts and it would had taken 60 seconds to know every single statement against me was straight up untrue or were quotes of me with an incorrect analysis. Alternatively they purposefully bent facts to forge the case or they were scum who saw a chance to blend into the town misplay.

I'm going to be looking over the game some more later but from now I'm liking darthfoley & Hapahauli. for tomorrow's lynch.

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darthfoley
Either he's genuinely clueless and doesn't actually understand what having scumreads means since he insists he has them when he does not. Or he's scum and intentionally lying and misleading.


1. It is a big deal, or atleast for day 1's. Townies want to pressure the people they believe are scum, not the people you believe to be town. It's an obvious contradiction that hints that darthfoley isn't actually looking for mafia, he's just talking fluff and making it appear as he's contributing.
2. You hadn't pressured at that time anybody without also making an excuse why you might be wrong. Mafiaplay to cover their back.
3. I agree the point isn't as strong as the first 2 but small stuff piles up aswell. And it is true and from this point on darthfoley despite admitting that it was weak but not false continues through the game lying or misleading claiming 3/4 reasons were false when he makes future references.
4. Might be considered false if he misunderstood what I ment, but more likely he choose to misunderstand what I ment for his own agenda. Pushing a scum lynch is not the same as posting a one liner on a person with little/no reasoning behind it, and that is the best scumhunting darthfoley offers the town. As a townie looking to be lynched your first priority should be finding a better target and getting that person nailed. If you absolutely can't do that you can try to defend yourself, but defense is worthless to determine town/scum since both have an interest to do so and the same material so unless someone has actually lied in their arguments against you and you can call that out it's not helpful. The first person he truly does pressure and votes on is me but it's shady.

It's a very meh vote and from this point on he slow grows more and more outspokenly confident that I'm mafia despite no new information being added on so where does his increased confidence come from? He continues to reference past statements that are false and wrong and reinforcing them as true.

When he talks to oats about me on bottom of page 32.

This is actually the furthest thing from what I did and it's unbelievable that he would genuinely believe that after the big center point in the accusation against me was that I sheeped without adding anything new. Additionally I specifically said in a post he quoted (first quote above)

In the end he changes votes to tumbleweed who looks like a potential easy lynch switch. Then follows on holyflare on a very sketchy case which again makes me feel that his outspoken confidence that I am mafia is not genuine.

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Hapahauli.

I liked his initial call-out on darthfoley. But his next thing with the test is mindbogglingly weird from a town perspective and feels a lot like a feign bus. He makes a case against me which is full of contradictions and incorrect conclusions (I'll explain how if you don't understand). I didn't call it out immediately because I thought he was baiting to see who would jump aboard something that on a glance looked like an okey case but if you took 2 minutes you'd see it was bullshit. After learning I wasn't a beginner he dropped the case like a stone and parked himself on the holyflare wagon again based on a fairly weak case and wasn't heard from again.

On November 22 2017 01:46 Damdred wrote:
Now the fact that we could onky get 5 votes for stan and managed to get every single person on stan to move+hapa/palmar not wanting to move is interesting.

On November 21 2017 20:00 Koshi wrote:


It is in the wrong order but this looks bad for darthfoley. Soft lies to push people is bad.

On November 21 2017 05:25 ruXxar wrote:
You know holy flare is gonna show up and vote for DF and then its kaput

On November 22 2017 02:17 Damdred wrote:
Rux could be scum but lets stay focused and talk about a person a time df.

Koshi is problematic, even with hi knowinf there are three scum which he cant know btw.

He isnt doing anything and he just floundering around the lynch. He is worth keeping in the lynch pool.

So right now this is where you are df: Stan/Koshi/Rux(?) and who else?

On November 21 2017 00:40 Tumblewood wrote:
ok, i'll humor you.
worst filter in the game, palmar aside, is stan's. don't like the jokey-seeming damdred read being actual, or his post on me
i can't talk for much longer (i'll be on at least half an hour before deadline, pinkie promise). ok bye

On November 21 2017 05:00 Tumblewood wrote:

nah, i don't believe palmar comes back to the thread an hour before deadline and conversion is the guy he sheeps

On November 21 2017 05:23 Tumblewood wrote:
yeah i'd prefer hf over df. his reasoning on rux is pretty bs imo, especially with the calling ve conftown thing i yelled at him about

On November 22 2017 02:16 Conversion wrote:


We should probably pressure Kelsier to not play so anti-town.

Not going to rehash the case, but OMGUS deflection, voting off wagon and going AFK and telling town not to screw up, focusing on town "screwing up" instead of doing anything then AFKing again is horrible town play.

his "lynch between oats and tw" without any follow up (especially when oats picked up the pace) is just super bad town, if not scum.

how about you?

On November 22 2017 06:24 KelsierSC wrote:


I don't know what hapa wanted, i'm unsure of that guy as I said.

second question is weird but you seemed to genuinely want to lynch df which made you seem town. Like if df and hf are both town ,mafia takes the opportunity to lynch hf because he's a better player and more of a threat to the mafia team.

On November 23 2017 03:38 Koshi wrote:

I must be doing something wrong then.

On November 22 2017 23:58 Palmar wrote:






I don't really like either of these posts, especially the latter one in the context of the first. Seems like he has plenty of stuff to talk about, but tries to make some ultimatum on when he wants to talk about things.

It's no big deal though, I'm still meh on who to lynch.

On November 23 2017 04:03 Conversion wrote:
too busy to read stuff, although it feels like there hasn't been much. should be free tonight though.

I really dislike Kels' attitude, but I'm finding it hard-pressed to call it scummy.

will dive filters later and build a case on someone that's not stan/kels as I'm tunneling a bit much and not getting a great overall picture

On November 23 2017 04:38 ruXxar wrote:
I think there's 1 mafia between koshi and stan. I don't think scum!koshi buses scum!stan in such a close vote off.
I'm more inclined to go with my gut feeling of koshi being mafia, and think the lynch was probably TvT.

I find hapa on my scum radar, mostly due to his test post where i got a feeling he was trying to setup a lynch on both stan and holy flare. After that he didn't seem to care which one of them he lynched(both town) and later switched from stan to holyflare without any hesitation. Hapa went from DF->Stan->HF, didn't seem very committed to any lynch.

Kelsier is just rubbing me the wrong way with his attitude. It doesn't feel like genuine anger, almost like an act just to come off as standoffish, and appear like hes too wild to be scum.
He didn't care at all if df or stan got lynched, just left his vote on tw and left. This again makes me think that it was a TvT wagon. Could lynch.

On November 23 2017 06:08 KelsierSC wrote:


probably be easier if you just said you weren't the vigi much earlier or never claimed it but w/e

Back from Martial Arts so going to put a few thoughts out, I haven't really focused to much on this day if im honest so i'll probably have a read before I go to the gym tomorrow and solidify my vote then.

I think one of damdred or rux is mafia, at the moment favoring rux as mafia,he focuses on such irrelevant stuff . Then again damdred not reading me as town was weird and there was something else about the hf case being appealing when it wasn't. He just hasn't felt like a real presence in the thread I suppose.

TW is still the best lynch today.

the thing I remember most recently is my conversation with oats. I was really annoyed that he didn't understand what I was saying even when I made it clear and I had him as town so if a town read is misreading you it is irritating. More I think about the fact that even after I explained it he still votes me and calls me scum, like that is pretty bad I don't believe anyone is that unintelligent. It felt he was trying to bury me with some inane shit. I'm pretty much in the middle with this guy but i wouldn't lynch him today and try to get more info later

hapa I can't really confess to reading much of what's been posted about him recently.

I'd love a TW lynch, i'd back a conversion,rux or damdred lynch. Only person i'd vote outside of that is if one of my hard town reads is the other wagon then i'll vote to save them.

On November 23 2017 06:31 Oatsmaster wrote:

Im just not that into you

On November 23 2017 06:35 Oatsmaster wrote:

Theres nothing to say, i wanna lynch Kelsier today.
I like how you dont want to lynch hapa though

On November 23 2017 13:52 Tumblewood wrote:
does anyone wanna lynch palmar

On November 23 2017 22:53 Palmar wrote:
The reason I think DF is mafia is I read hapa's trap post:



Apparently this was some bullshit play by hapa, but it quotes actually genuinely scummy posts, and actually makes the correct conclusion. Why on earth would a town darthfoley bitch about z-boson trying to make people commit to his position? There is absolutely no reason for DF to worry about this at that particular time, or post about it in general.

The only reason I can come up with is that he was simply posting for the sake of posting. Bitching about someone who you think is town is just... idk???

There's more too ( I read the posts leading up to this):

This comment chain here is absolutely terrible:



remember, he thinks z-boson is town. His own response and the two following posts are much more worthless than z-boson's post. He's bitching about the very thing he's doing.



10 minutes later:



And then he made some shit post about Chez never getting lynched for being Chez.

I really, really don't like df.

On November 23 2017 18:53 Koshi wrote:
I think both Kelsier and hapa have a good chance to flip mafia. I dont think tumble is mafia. I dont think Oats is mafia. I dont know about Palmar. I think VE is town.

All these reads have 0 basis and should not be considered final. Especially by the mafia team.

I will vote Hapa due to bad scumreads.
##Vote Hapa

On November 23 2017 15:09 Tumblewood wrote:

things i don't like about palmar:
- his push on me is based on a single comment that isn't even bad (i mean obviously i'm biased, but i stand by it)
- vocally content with the direction of the thread, despite the thread being pretty much dead
- hasn't done really anything townie and yet no one is really putting him out there (same for chez imo)
not a kickass case, or else i would have told everyone in the first place. but i am an agent of chaos and i would like to see things shaken up a little bit so join me

On November 24 2017 01:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

Lots of thought went into this lynch, just because you dont agree with the target dont poopoo the work others have done.

On November 24 2017 06:24 ruXxar wrote:
I think DF is an excellent shot.

On November 24 2017 06:47 ruXxar wrote:


And the logical conclusion was to keep lynching hapa and not DF, errr what?

On November 24 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:
I'm upset at DF because he has an 8 page filter and he hasn't been doing anything memorable. seems very off from his D1 dead town games. like someone pointed out DF has just been defensive, and on top of that he just makes very silly posts like above that isn't like the slam-dunk DF town that I've witnessed in the past 2 games

On November 24 2017 06:55 ruXxar wrote:


You stopping the lynch encouraged him to want to lynch hapa even more.
The only reason he would think so is because he suspect you are mafia.

Then there's two options:

1) You are mafia and know hapa is town.
2) You are mafia and know hapa is scum.

So a 50/50 that hapa is scum.
But there's a 100% chance that you are scum.

It makes absoloutely no sense to want to lynch hapa over you in that situation.

On November 24 2017 07:23 Conversion wrote:


lynch me good sir

my apathy has peaked

On November 23 2017 01:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Thoughts:

Z-Bo made the best town case on VE in the world.
I don't think Stan is mafia. He seems almost offended by suspicion against him, and that's pretty townie.

I'm between Tumblewood and Damdred for mafia. Tumblewood is a wishy-washy pile of nothingness. He insinuates suspicion on people without ever really leading things.

Damdred is in the same boat. Very unmemorable contributions despite average-ish activity.

On November 24 2017 06:55 ruXxar wrote:


You stopping the lynch encouraged him to want to lynch hapa even more.
The only reason he would think so is because he suspect you are mafia.

Then there's two options:

1) You are mafia and know hapa is town.
2) You are mafia and know hapa is scum.

So a 50/50 that hapa is scum.
But there's a 100% chance that you are scum.

It makes absoloutely no sense to want to lynch hapa over you in that situation.

On November 24 2017 08:02 Conversion wrote:
DF scum reads please instead of calling me out for being a little bitch and asking other people questions

On November 24 2017 23:23 VisceraEyes wrote:

You didn't even read what I wrote. You had something to say and you waited for me to post it to say it, but you literally didn't even read what I wrote first. I didn't want to lynch Hapa for anything DF is doing. Hapa was acting like mafia and so I wanted to lynch Hapa. DF was also mafia to me at the beginning of the day, but Hapa seemed way more like mafia and I thought that was explicit in my posts, so I wanted to lynch Hapa more.

Plz read what I write if you ask me something, otherwise just don't bother. This is the last time I answer a question twice.

On November 25 2017 01:50 Palmar wrote:
I am unsure about Stan now, his activity has gone down the drain which is always terrible. But I still feel like the way he speaks doesn't really make him mafia.

On November 25 2017 01:50 Conversion wrote:
nah I don't think y'all are has-beens as well. I just get bad vibes from the VE/Palmar power couple.

agreed on lynching mafia. we've missed 2 now, and that's no good. who are your top bets Palmar? irregardless of flip

On November 21 2017 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh you guys killed HF? What happened to my beautiful DF wagon?

On November 21 2017 08:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Seems like there's a lot of action to read surrounding the lynch.

Am I to understand that Damdred claimed something on D1 NOT under threat of lynch? Did that happen?

On November 21 2017 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I still like Stan. His filter is short but meaningful.

On November 21 2017 08:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh I wish I had been here to fight for DF lynch. My shift blows for flips, sry in advance team.

On November 21 2017 18:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't have a massive scumread on anyone, the strongest read I have is on df, and it's just a normal kind of scum read.

On November 21 2017 18:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

Just park your vote on, DF, Koshi, he's mafia.
Just park. Your vote on. DF, Koshi is mafa!
Just park your vote. On DF, Koshi is mafia!

........I don't see it, sry.

On November 22 2017 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya okay sure TW lets go.

##Unvote
##Vote: Hapahauli

On November 23 2017 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Motherfucking there better be votes on Hapahauli when I get back.

On November 25 2017 03:37 Oatsmaster wrote:

I did the same thing too

On November 26 2017 11:58 Chezinu wrote:

Kel, Dam, or Rux?

On November 25 2017 05:29 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
I'm vibing that Palmar is mafia.

On November 25 2017 06:01 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Sorry. Fixed.

On November 26 2017 12:21 Damdred wrote:
Also at this moment what I am struggling with the kills is either tumble is the vig or the scum team has a vig.

I am leanig towards thw scum team has a vig and ve blocked him n1. Tumble isnt to curious if hes vig who his shot killed and neither ve or oats seemed to be on his scum pile.

Also if the scum team has a vig it means palmar is not on that team (i think)

On November 26 2017 12:18 Damdred wrote:
im here df, today has been demltivated didnt want to spam the thread while I was waiting on people.

Ok so, I sort of am ok with voting stan off here but rux is bother me more today, I am a hypocrit and I am ok with that. But rux who loves to be in the middle of everything and lead activity has kinda fallen by thw wayside here, the d1 lynch om hf seemed so apathetic and halfhearted in retrospect.

Eh its just bothing me atm.

On November 26 2017 12:39 Damdred wrote:
Like Conversion is still a super question mark in the game, he was a little edgey earlier but he really hasnt tried to solve much, kinda just exists. Also tries to buddy up to people a bit.

Rux refusing to move off stan could be distancing if he or stan flips and he really didnt try to save hf even though he townread him. A bit shady imo

On November 21 2017 05:03 Palmar wrote:

This is a garbage comment btw.

On November 21 2017 05:05 Palmar wrote:
TW is like 70% mafia for that comment alone

Hf is maybe 60% but has a larger wagon and well... lynching hf is always fun. I get to call him trash in the thread for the rest of the game even if he flips town and he can't say shit back

Of the two leading wagons I don't think I want to kill either of them, but I've been doing this for like 15 minutes so.

On November 21 2017 05:36 Palmar wrote:

100%

or TW

On November 21 2017 05:38 Palmar wrote:
btw, I think the following people are town:

ruxxar, conversion, damdred, z-boson, stan

The following are meh

oats

the following are scummy

tw

everyone else I have no opinion on yet. I'll read some more maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow. Had to kinda work hard here to create this mess. Games don't get fucked up by themselves, someone's gotta do the dirty work.

On November 21 2017 17:22 Palmar wrote:

It only really makes TW scummy for his weird strategy bullshit and hesitancy around the vote.

People keep forgetting that it's townies who do retarded shit and run around like headless chicken. Who do you think is more likely to jump on my terrible wagon that mafia knows is town?

Suddenly an experienced player brim filled with confidence starts yelling at everyone in the thread to lynch some dude. Who is more likely to blindly follow, mafia (who knows I'm wrong) or town (who's just looking for a lynch.... any lynch).

I'm inclined to believe most of the people who followed me are town.

I'm kinda upgrading Oats to town too, but I'm definitely missing at least one mafia in my town reads (as I always do). But that's mostly fine because it's higher % chance of success by hunting mafia in my scumreads.

On November 21 2017 18:07 Palmar wrote:

Can you explain your massive scumreads on Koshi and TW?

On November 26 2017 12:54 darthfoley wrote:




This interaction struck me as odd at the time and even weirder in hindsight. Palmar has continued to scum read TW but he hasn't voted for him or pushed him as a lynch, and his reasoning for voting Hapa is really bland and generic. Palmar's probably mafia.









He asks VE who he's been agreeing with and town reading to explain his scum read on someone (TW) that he's been scum reading for days. This is basically exactly what people were accusing me of D1. Except this is D2. Why does Palmar need an explanation from his town read on why his town read is scum reading the same person as him?

On November 27 2017 02:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
It's impossible to distinguish apathy from scumplay. I myself have had almost no interest in this game after hapa flipped cop. I'm not judging anybody else who isn't chipping in after that. How do you motivate yourself to put in time and effort when the odds are enormously stacked against you.

darthfoley is almost guaranteed scum. He's active a but doesn't accomplish. The conclusions he's drawn throughout this game I don't feel are likely to drawn by a townie. Sure he could be tunneling convinced he's right and utterly incapable of taking a step back and properly analyzing the information he has. But it's far more likely he's mafia purposely tunneling pretending to be bad. Normal mafia tactic is to spread out during all-townie lynch targets and so far the people voting for him are SIGNIFICANTLY less scummy then the Stan/HF voters and most of them decent players. Nobody but scum advocates lynching a bread-crumbed townie as a top scumread.

One of his partners is Palmar.
Palmar was odd about the entire hapa lynch. The case on Hapa was solid and Palmar was behind that but still cracked comments like viscera get's HIS lynch which felt off. His other contribution to the game was sweeping in day 1, taking control of the lynch. I haven't played with Palmar for a few years but back then his style was finding townie behavior and then mafia by process of elimination. His day 1 reads aren't according to himself better then others and he's said so himself. So he knows his day 1 reads aren't great and yet decided that it's a good idea to swoop down without reading the thread at all and decide a new lynch candidate when half the vets in the game are behind lynching another person. And to that he just pays no mind? If I were town and I came into the thread just before the lynch and hadn't had opportunity to read the thread I would sheep the case most veterans were on. He doesn't do this and is essentially saying I know better then you without even reading. It doesn't fit with his style. As town he would have no reason to act so confident. Not to mention that he knows full well how bad last minute switches are in general and shouldn't be leading one without good reason which he did not have. It's far more likely he tried to save darthfoley, and even in some other bizarre universe where darthfoley is town so all lynchcandidates were town, then it's still a complete scummove because it makes the lynch generate less information and the town never gets to deal with the scummy looking townie, leaving him to continue diverting attention from real mafia.

On November 27 2017 04:28 Chezinu wrote:


I usually don't vote palmar.. ok, let's say you aren't mafia. What do you think about koshi?

Also (anyone can answer), what is the best guess of how many mafia there are? Cause right now if there are 3 mafia (as someone mentioned before), lynch is doomed right now.

We got about an hour. Now, is the time to do something.

On November 28 2017 02:08 ruXxar wrote:


The "why not" is the part that doesn't come from a scum mentality.
Scum don't do things just because "why not", they do things because they plan to do so. (rip zenmaster)

Maybe it wasnt all that risky once hapa and zbo was on HF, but if he's trying to save stan, why does he do that instead of going for DF who is leading in votes?

Unless DF and Palmar are scum together, in which case Palmar just wants to get either Stan or HF lynched.

As a solo scummer(not scum with DF or Stan), what palmar did makes no sense.

On November 28 2017 04:37 ruXxar wrote:


DF is clearly town unless CCd.
I dont think town has another power role, so if someone else was to claim his alignment would come into question.

Also I dont think palmar is scum.

Which leaves me at koshi/tw/stan/kelsier.

On November 28 2017 09:50 Conversion wrote:
df can you answer my questions on your checks? this should be easy to answer