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xenonn40
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On October 13 2017 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: All you noobs start posting now or this game will get huge and you won't know how to enter I just got home. | ||
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On October 13 2017 06:10 happykrogan wrote: Hi I'm really relieved that I'm just a normal VT in my first game. Exactly what I hoped for  Sounds like something a mafia would say. | ||
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xenonn40
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On October 13 2017 06:29 Fecalfeast wrote: Everyone who's not me is mafia except the noob who posted that hes vt Clearly, Fecalfeast and the other noob must be mafia. | ||
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xenonn40
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On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. | ||
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On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote: Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. Yes, sorry Ruxxar. | ||
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On October 13 2017 23:23 ruXxar wrote: It's ok to be wary. No need to expend any more energy on him. You don't need to lynch him right now. If he's playing and contributing, leave him be for a couple days. Gather more information before you make up your mind. Strong players are good at masking themselves, so whatever clues you think you see now could just be false positives. You need to catch them by observing them over a longer period of time. One thing that I want to say about popping in and out, is I honestly don't really know what to say at this point. Saying things really doesn't seem productive until more happens in the game, but at the same time, I feel obligated to say something to show that I am actually playing the game. I also feel like until actions in the game develop, trying to make any judgements this early is pointless. Anyone can say whatever they want, and there are no actual actions to compare to. Along this vein, I don't understand why a VT would say "Thank god I am VT." what does that accomplish? This is why I pointed this out in my first (technically second) post. As Ruxxar says above, I am pretty sure no good conclusions can be made until after the first night. I did not think Ruxxar was Mafia, a kind of arbitrary opinion at this point, to be honest, but I did think the fact that there were three votes for him immediately seemed suspicious. I felt like only people who have real information (mafia) would have a reason to gang up on someone at this point. If this is right, and we lynched one of Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock , or happykrogan, we could have a good idea that one of the other two, if not both were mafia, which would give us very helpful information. Since Oatsmaster was the only other person voted for at the time, he was "the only other option" to me. Going back to my claim "I also feel like until actions in the game develop, trying to make any judgments this early is pointless.", I think I made a mistake by voting when I did, since making actions early seems to be the only thing you can make conclusions from, and voting is an action, especially since I did not explain my thoughts with my vote before going to bed. On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game. Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone. Town Reads: Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing. Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad. If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos. FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today. Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today. Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass. Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles. Based on this, and some other comments I read, I was maybe a bit overconfident that people believed I was town, and so making an earlier vote was not going to draw negative attention to me. | ||
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xenonn40
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As a new player, I don't understand the point of all the talking before votes start, and before actions happen. | ||
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On October 15 2017 03:32 Onegu wrote: What do you mean? I should just post my post and vote before talking? I mean, we have 27 pages already, and almost no actions to base our discussion on. I like the idea of a post on your thoughts at the end, and not 10000 posts of fluff in between. | ||
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On October 15 2017 03:35 Grackaroni wrote: If I had to guess I think Xenonn played the sc2 version of mafia which is based very heavily on roles and night actions. No, I haven't but I guess I usually play games where actions are important, not conversation. I am new to this. | ||
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On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote: Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short. I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time. In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town. Damerion's vote at the end seems very suspicious to me. He votes for Oats over a vote for Conversion to make himself safe from the lynch. He is last minute scrambling to target someone else. Seems like a desperate attempt to save a fellow mafia. I am not sure if Godfather shows up as town when lynched, if so, perhaps Damerion is Godfather. | ||
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On October 15 2017 06:18 xenonn40 wrote: Damerion's vote at the end seems very suspicious to me. He votes for Oats over a vote for Conversion to make himself safe from the lynch. He is last minute scrambling to target someone else. Seems like a desperate attempt to save a fellow mafia. I am not sure if Godfather shows up as town when lynched, if so, perhaps Damerion is Godfather. Follow up thought, if what I said was true, why would Conversion vote for/ keep his vote on Damerion. He did cast his vote for Damerion, to save himself, but when he was dead anyway at the end, he did not change his vote with Damerion. Perhaps he was afk? The quoted posts below suggest otherwise. On October 15 2017 04:40 Conversion wrote: we're at 3:3 right now and I have to leave soon I'm about to just tiebreak on Damerion and go because I don't want to die to someone who makes 5 posts and AFKs also where is onegu's post? On October 15 2017 05:00 Conversion wrote: well that wasn’t useful. I’m heading out now, I don’t want to die, and no one gave me any reason why damerion is not the lynch today. clockman couldn’t even retort as to why he doesn’t have to same conclusion for damerion besides feelings and because I post more then 40 minutes later, he is back, right after the vote. On October 15 2017 06:10 Conversion wrote: gg all | ||
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My conclusion is I am confused. | ||
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On October 15 2017 06:48 Holyflare wrote: Here's the thing nobody is talking about, if Damerion is not mafia then mafia are either Fecalfeast/oats or mafia did not do anything to save conversion. Spe Or you are mafia, but honestly I don't think so. Assuming Onegu, Grack, myself and Damerion are not Mafia, mafia could have saved Conversion by killing Oats or Rux, but I guess that switch would have been super suspicious. | ||
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Are you really? I don't know. | ||
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Honestly, I could be swayed to vote for any of these 4 at at this point. And it does make sense, as some people have pointed out, that the situations where it makes sense for Damerion to be Mafia are very improbable. | ||
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On October 20 2017 00:51 ruXxar wrote: Xenon. I need some answers from you. You voted for Oats two days in a row, yet I have a hard time deciphering why did so. Here's your reasoning for voting oats day 1: This was early day 1. You had plenty of time to change your vote before the lynch but you didn't. This was your explanation pre-lynch for why you were voting oatsmaster day 1, but no consideration for ever changing your vote. I also find it really strange that you're talking in past tense(!!) when the lynch hasn't even been through yet as if there's nothing you can do to change your vote. You follow up with this: Okay, but why are you still voting for oatsmaster? The day ends and you don't mention a word to anyone about your thoughts, why you made a bad call on oats or why you kept voting for oats. That's it. No mention of your vote. Day 2 this is what we get: Why???????? This guy is: 1) Not re-evaluating any reads. 2) Not giving good reasons for any of his reads. 3) Not engaging in any conversations or taking a stance on anythhing. 4) Not calling anyone scum at all. He just votes oats because ??? He definitely seems smart enough to undestand what's going on, and maybe the first day he didn't understand too much, but by now there's no excuse anymore. Here's what I want to know 1) Why did you not re-evaluate your vote day 1? You had plenty of time to understand how the game functioned before the lynch. There was a lot of discussion going on pre-lynch, and you were there, posting, but just simply ignoring it. 2) Why did you vote for oats day 2? I don't understand your explanation, it makes no sense from my point of view. When you vote someone two days in a row, it indicates to me that you think they're mafia. But not once have you given any explanation for why oats is scum or worthy of a lynch. a) Life has had some unexpected turns the last few days. I have had less time than expected. b) Day one, I was quite unsure how to play, and honestly I didn't have a clue who to vote for. I wasted my vote, because I did not see anything better to vote for. c) After the day one votes, I was quite certain either Damerion was mafia or two of Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster where mafia. I had been convinced it was unlikely Damerion was mafia. (the Scenerios where this made sense were very unlikely.) d) This brings us to Holyflare, Fecalfeast, and Oatsmaster. When I cast my vote, Fecal had 3-4 votes, Holy none, and Oats 1. I wanted to even up the vote, so that there was some competition to force decisions to be made. As it was, Fecal won by a lot, so this did not happen. It did not matter if I changed my vote at the end, and I was somewhat happy as the majority was on one of the three. e) I am still highly suspicious of Holy and Oats, and the fact that they both voted for the same person (Damerion) day 3 makes me inclined to believe they want to push an agenda as we get down to the last few people. I am likely to vote Oats again. | ||
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On October 20 2017 06:54 ruXxar wrote: This is what I don't understand: You say: "I wanted to even up the vote, so that there was some competition to force decisions to be made" Then you say: "I am likely to vote Oats again" So if you're just voting oats to even up the votes, how do you know already now that you're likely to vote oats again? Oats doesn't have any votes on him. Are you expecting him to get votes? Why do you want to vote for oats right now anyway? What have you read that people have said or that he has said that makes you want to vote him. Forget about the votes for a moment and just think of what people have been saying. Can you put together an argument based on what people/oats have been posting to make him the #1 lynch in your mind? No, I can't. Honestly, I would vote for whoever gets more votes of Oats and Holy. I may even lean towards voting Holy based off of what he said after the first day. Of course, he was not the only one on the SvS bandwagon. I was too at the time. It still could be that Damerion is Scum. On October 15 2017 06:25 Holyflare wrote: You realise this is 100% mafia vs mafia right? One thing I would say against oats was On October 17 2017 04:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Do you think that all the people who didn't vote for conversion are mafia? completely missed what I was saying and seems to me to be a deflection away from saying that I think the people who voted FOR Damerion were Mafia specifically because they could not save conversion. | ||
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xenonn40
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At least I voted more times for Oats than anyone else. | ||
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