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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 02:52 GMT
#1470
On August 17 2017 11:52 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2017 11:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 17 2017 11:43 CopCake wrote:
On August 17 2017 11:03 geript wrote:
On August 17 2017 10:43 Damdred wrote:
I am wrong on hopeless+Tumblr btw I thought he voted for ff, so no still interesting and can be a team maybe sorta

Hopeless + TW can be a team; it was brought up last game, but it's far harder to "vote wrong" as scum. It's especially so when you're already under pressure. I think TW + Cop makes way more sense personally, but without actually diving filters specifically looking for possible connections I don't particularly care.


You are calling me scum with Tw?

Ok, pls tell me, "how" we are linked together and tell me how our interactions made you have that idea.

Tell me how I am fucking scum and tell me how is TW scum.

If you need an explanation for why TW is scum, no amount of mspaint is going to help you.


Are you Damdred? why are you answering his questions? In the quick topic they delegate you to be his secretary?

I mean Damdred voted for you as mafia.

I am not Damdred. I'm Hopeless1der. Nice to meet you.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 02:57 GMT
#1474
On August 17 2017 11:49 Damdred wrote:
That's not tinfoiling that's thinking through all of thebdidderent scenarios

You're "different scenarios" rely on the fact that the judges picked two or three scum and that they bussed each other and that we 'super bussed' each other but wait not really so only one can ever be scum.

how do you define tinfoil damdred. really, what possible conclusion from your read should ANYONE (not just me or TW, but the other players or the judges or even the hosts...wtf are you saying?!)
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 02:58 GMT
#1475
On August 17 2017 11:56 geript wrote:
But go on Copcake, please talk about how Town!TW can read 12 pages of filter in 3 minutes and come to the fact that FF must be Town and he only has 1 post of Hopeless he likes. I'll wait.

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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 03:08 GMT
#1479
Give me a gun so I can shoot TW. or give it to geript. Or HF. or literally anyone, because if they dont shoot TW you can nominate them for lynch and we get 2 cycles of free scum.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 03:18 GMT
#1485
On August 17 2017 12:14 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2017 12:13 geript wrote:
On August 17 2017 12:02 CopCake wrote:
On August 17 2017 11:56 geript wrote:
But go on Copcake, please talk about how Town!TW can read 12 pages of filter in 3 minutes and come to the fact that FF must be Town and he only has 1 post of Hopeless he likes. I'll wait.


FF had so little pages, I checked them when he got nominated, everything looking straight forward and progression was lineal, the whole "I am at work" is believable because I was also working at that time and we both had american time zones.

Is something not so hard to understand.

How does Fecalfeast having "so little pages" have anything to do with this. Look at the quotes. Here... I'll link them:
TW not remembering FF's posts but thinking he was town

TW finishing both FF's and Hopeless' filters

TW posting a shitty reads post that includes secret hearthrob Copcake at the top that he made a huge amazing shitty townread on unlike anything else he's posted in the game but is obviously in no way whatsoever is connected to

The mods telling use to shut our traps for end of day[/url

It's not at all at the start of day; in fact it's right at the end of it. He magically forgets his reasons for FF but in 3 minutes can read 12 pages of filter and call hopeless scum. You're even fucking defending this shit and you're "so obviously not connected to him."


I am defending myself, not him.

And yet I dont see you asking for a gun....hmm
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 03:23 GMT
#1488
When TW flips mafia I want copcake and damdred up for lynch right afterwards.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 03:25 GMT
#1491
On August 17 2017 12:24 geript wrote:
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On August 17 2017 12:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
When TW flips mafia I want copcake and damdred up for lynch right afterwards.

I'm not sure on Damdred. He definitely can be scum, but he also can be town.

Thats why I'm not going to shoot him when the judges give me my gun. I'm shooting TW.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 03:27 GMT
#1494
p.s. give my my gun please so I can shoot TW. Or give it to geript. Or HF. Or anyone.

Literally anyone. If necessary, I can start a poll of "Will you shoot TW if the judges give you a gun?"

geript you on board with shooting TW?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 03:32 GMT
#1496
On August 17 2017 12:27 Jealous wrote:
Nevermind, paint got too complicated once I realized all of the contingencies and the limitations of TL's textbox. Let's look at it from the judge's perspective.

HF Claims he has the vig shot

Possible Scenarios
1. HF is town and has the vig shot. T+V
2. HF is scum and has the vig shot. S+V
3. HF is town and doesn't have the vig shot. T-V
4. HF is scum and doesn't have the vig shot. S-V


1. T+V. Let's assume this as the baseline, as this is what I imagine the judges would hypothetically be going for.

It would only make sense for T+V to claim in this scenario. The vig shot could almost never be used as a bargaining chip to appeal when up for lynch, because that would indicate that the judges had chosen someone to give it to then changed their minds about whether that person is townie or not and put them in the lynch pile. Wouldn't make sense.

2. S+V This is the worst-case scenario, the one that I overlooked in the previous analysis.

If S+V claims, then that would just be a bad/dumb move. It would be much more effective to save it and use it if suspicion ever DID fall on them from the judges and they thought they were going to lose the lynch vote, or if the game gets to the point where the judges are no longer present.

3. T-V. This would mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V.

This would only make sense if he was trying to put all the attention on himself, so that the judges could give the shot to someone else who would be under less scrutiny. This would also likely force scum to use a RB on him, as he currently has vest and with the shot in tow, it is a bad position for scum. However, I think that this is still not a very good play, as it would assume that the judges don't scumread him for the move, and it would assume that when the vig shot is actually given out there is likely to be a legitimacy argument which would be counter-productive. I don't think this possibility makes much sense. If the judges did scumread him for the move it would look like this:

4. S-V This would also mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V, and of course excluding his scummates.

This wouldn't make much sense to do because then the judges could just indicate that it is false by not including HF in the "Top 3" vote in the next cycle, effectively showing that "we don't care if this guy gets a vest or not because he is lying." That will show to everyone to stop listening to HF, and then he will be in the lynch pile the next cycle.

---


In short, I don't find any situation in which it makes sense for scum HF to claim; I also think that the move for town HF to claim without actually having it would be too much of a gamble. QED, HF is town and has the shot.

It was pretty hard for me to explain myself throughout all of this. If you disagree with my conclusions, please share your counterarguments because I could easily have just confused myself while thinking of the possibilities and interactions.

tbh I feel like this post is worthless because 3 & 4 are the same scenario. The judges dont know alignments.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 03:49 GMT
#1509
I'm going to sleep.

@HF:
On the off chance you took medic, save geript.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 11:59 GMT
#1573
On August 17 2017 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
I'm going to shoot rels.

stop that
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 12:19 GMT
#1578
would kill:

TW
Damdred
Rayn
Rels

would not kill:
me
HF
geript
conversion

havent made up my mind on the rest of the game.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 13:56 GMT
#1627
On August 17 2017 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not to even mention when HF calls a shot on me EVERYTHING Jealous does is like "well why are you doing this HF????". THE DUDE IS TRYING TO SHOOT HIS TOP SCUMREAD!

I kinda want timestamps on this. HF has been on a "rayn is confirmed town for cheating" kick for some time now.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 14:01 GMT
#1632
oh okay that did happen, but considering the extended analysis of "does HF have a gun" I dont think thats a problem rayn.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 14:21 GMT
#1649
like this whole game, in the back of my head i'm thinking "what if HF is mafia and all his amazeball posts are because we suck?"
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 14:47 GMT
#1654
On August 17 2017 23:45 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2017 23:33 Holyflare wrote:
On August 17 2017 23:30 CopCake wrote:
On August 17 2017 19:13 Holyflare wrote:
His read of town rayn was before or after the judges thing? Because if it is after that means he knew rayn was getting lynched and TW was trying to be like "I told you so"


Before the judges even picked the top 3 town.

That makes him more town than mafia then unless he wanted to pocket rayn


Tw's meta is TMI for days as mafia.


Tmi?

okay seriously, you dont know that TMI means "Too Much Information"?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 14:49 GMT
#1656
But also, this particular argument has a latent assumption that scum knew what the judges were doing...so wtf is that about>
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 14:50 GMT
#1657
On August 17 2017 23:49 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2017 23:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 17 2017 23:45 CopCake wrote:
On August 17 2017 23:33 Holyflare wrote:
On August 17 2017 23:30 CopCake wrote:
On August 17 2017 19:13 Holyflare wrote:
His read of town rayn was before or after the judges thing? Because if it is after that means he knew rayn was getting lynched and TW was trying to be like "I told you so"


Before the judges even picked the top 3 town.

That makes him more town than mafia then unless he wanted to pocket rayn


Tw's meta is TMI for days as mafia.


Tmi?

okay seriously, you dont know that TMI means "Too Much Information"?


Nope, I also dont know what is NAI

Not Alignment Indicative i.e. doesnt give a scum or town read, and should be ignored all game long.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 14:53 GMT
#1659
On August 17 2017 23:51 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2017 23:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
But also, this particular argument has a latent assumption that scum knew what the judges were doing...so wtf is that about>


What? How?

just because TW is scum doesnt mean he has access to the judges QT.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 17 2017 14:53 GMT
#1660
p.s. if scum get to see the judge qt I'll just never ever play a paint game again.
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