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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:18 GMT
#1730
I believed:
"Hopeless sees some argument that banks on Tumblewood having access to judge QT and rayn wants to know what that argument is because Hopeless implied he knows about an argument like that and i can's see any".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:19 GMT
#1733
On August 18 2017 01:18 Jealous wrote:
What a shit show. I expected more from you H1. Rayn, not so much, but still.

well you're mafia so i don't care about what you think. go on licking up hf's ass.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:23 GMT
#1742
On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2017 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:12 CopCake wrote:
On August 18 2017 00:54 Damdred wrote:
At you just going to be a dick to everyone in the thread hopeless? Especially after the way you reacted to someone being a dick to you? I have been calm, courteous and respectful in our interactions and I expect for that to be returned.


I wasnt being a dick, I was seriously curious to see where he got that idea.

Me too, apparently it was bullshit in the first place and apparently i am notw mafia for questioning bullshit.


You claim that you believed:



"Hopeless1der thinks that Tumblewood has access to the judge QT"


This is your argument rayn. Read it. If not for the fact that this is dumber than a bag of rocks I'd wonder if you died and a reanimiated corpse is playing for you.

I NEVER EVER SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!

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On August 18 2017 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean whose argument only makes sense if tw knew what judges were gonna do.

Show nested quote +
On August 18 2017 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am confused. Who argued so?

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On August 18 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didnt see the "just a snarky comment" post. I thought you were arguing something.

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On August 18 2017 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt".


What the hell is all this rayn?

You're "Rayn's what" is being depleted.

Did you even read the last quote? My quotes:
1) "Hopeless, who is that who made the argument? I don't see any.
2) "Who argued so? I still don't see that"
3) "oh it was just a joke/sarcasm"
4) i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt"

Can you even read?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:29 GMT
#1748
On August 18 2017 01:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On August 18 2017 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:12 CopCake wrote:
On August 18 2017 00:54 Damdred wrote:
At you just going to be a dick to everyone in the thread hopeless? Especially after the way you reacted to someone being a dick to you? I have been calm, courteous and respectful in our interactions and I expect for that to be returned.


I wasnt being a dick, I was seriously curious to see where he got that idea.

Me too, apparently it was bullshit in the first place and apparently i am notw mafia for questioning bullshit.


You claim that you believed:



"Hopeless1der thinks that Tumblewood has access to the judge QT"


This is your argument rayn. Read it. If not for the fact that this is dumber than a bag of rocks I'd wonder if you died and a reanimiated corpse is playing for you.

I NEVER EVER SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!

On August 18 2017 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean whose argument only makes sense if tw knew what judges were gonna do.

On August 18 2017 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am confused. Who argued so?

On August 18 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didnt see the "just a snarky comment" post. I thought you were arguing something.

On August 18 2017 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt".


What the hell is all this rayn?

You're "Rayn's what" is being depleted.

Did you even read the last quote? My quotes:
1) "Hopeless, who is that who made the argument? I don't see any.
2) "Who argued so? I still don't see that"
3) "oh it was just a joke/sarcasm"
4) i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt"

Can you even read?


IN WHAT UNIVERSE DOES ARTANIS LET HIS GAME BE BROKEN LIKE THAT!?

Okay one more time. I never said i think so.
I thought you said someone thinks so, and i asked you who that someone is.
That's all....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:30 GMT
#1750
Am i really that bad at english? Anyone whose name is not Hopelesswonder.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:36 GMT
#1753
On August 18 2017 01:30 Tumblewood wrote:
whatever you and rayn are doing right now is the stupidest argument i have seen in a long long time. and i know "you can't just call it tvt for being an argument" but this is such a potent combination of inanity and hostility that yes i am calling it 100% tvt

How is the argument stupid from my point and why is it tvt?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:41 GMT
#1756
On August 18 2017 01:38 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 18 2017 01:36 Damdred wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:24 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hopeless what is going on and why am i 5000% mafia

You'll see after I shoot you.

this does not answer anything


That was the point, I think you're scum and I dont think arguing with you is helpful in the slightest.

except maybe if you are extremely off track for reasons that could be fixed with a simple explanation, it might help for me to know exactly how you are off track

If you want to prove you are town, dont try to argue with the guy who called you 5000% scum.

wtf since when are you supposed to not defend yourself when someone scumreads you


Can you explain how you went from hopeless is maybe town or liking his posts to voting him and being at the bottom of a list post?

i voted him because my other options were rayn and ff, who i thought were both highly likely town. he was in the bottom category of the list post, but i didn't have any strong scumreads, so i lowered the bar for my scum pool to include people who i thought could be town but were kinda "ehhhhhh"

Dude you literally said "there is probably not a right answer here".
If you actually thought that, why did you put Hopeless on your scumlist in the next post, that doesn't really go along with "there is no right answer here".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:56 GMT
#1762
On August 18 2017 01:40 Jealous wrote:
To answer people's concerns about me being 50/50 in my posts, the reason why I do this is because I believe that committing to a read and then looking at all consequent posts through that filter makes for biased play. Especially in the first few days, I'd rather discuss what happened objectively and use that to shape my opinion, not make an opinion and then discuss based on that. I hate it when people put out one liner reads early in the game en masse like Damdred did. I also can't partake in any of the meta because in the long and illustrious history of players like rayn and HF, I am sure they can dig up whatever they want to prove/disprove anything they claim about the other, and also because I have no point of reference in that regard. So, that being said, I don't see how it's unexpected that a player who is unfamiliar with the rest of the population, has 0 meta, and is a relative scrub is making long posts that are trying to explain their thinking process. I'm trying to get better at this as I'm doing it, so I explain my rationale from start to finish. Then I get scumread for it? Whatever.

I appreciate people like geript explaining things clearly and also answering my posts, even if they don't make sense because of meta or because I didn't think things through in a civil manner. But apparently what flies here is 1. shit up the thread 2. make one line read posts like "xx is scum," or "give me a gun," etc. 3. use meta like it's the gold standard. 4. make unsubstantiated lists. The newbie mafia game(s?) I played were much more civil, interesting, and entertaining than this. So without further ado:

geript
HF, fuck it, I'll put my faith in my gut since apparently him lying habitually is NAI
I understand Ever's position, having to catch up with the thread, and their posts so far have made sense to me so townlean.
H1 going to carry over some of the towniness from earlier in the game but he hasn't do anything to impress me recently and this recent shit rubs me the wrong way

CopCake is still a mystery

Rayn has been playing in a way that I can't disenfranchise my feelings from my reads and he shitposts too much, so I'd be fine with him just not being here anymore. Unfortunately that doesn't make me scumread him because he still has made some decent posts and ultimately this post in his spat with H1:

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On August 18 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I believed:
"Hopeless sees some argument that banks on Tumblewood having access to judge QT and rayn wants to know what that argument is because Hopeless implied he knows about an argument like that and i can's see any".


I would probably think the same thing.

Rels I have no clue because I have no meta and he hasn't posted, so natural scumlean

Conversion - I didn't like his posts earlier in the game, then he kinda started posting better, then he apparently started willfully not reading filters in their entirety as soon as he found something to latch onto and publish to the thread so I'll give him a scumlean on that

Damdred
ritoky
TW



Fuck it. See y'all tonight.

I don't use meta like that -- well after the very start of the game, because there is not much to go on. I back up my things with meta, unlike Holyflare who says "you did this in your scumgame and you did it again so youre scum". Or if i meta someone into something, i go to look more into that person. I originally called out Holyflare because he made me feel really annoyed, and that's what happens when he is mafia. He outposts everyone anyways, and he just kept going on andd going on and already had reasons on whatever i say makes me mafia. I don't wanna play that kind of game, because it is not productive. And i get pissed off for shit like that.

I disliked your pictures, because even when you were saying something i can't tell the motivation from a picture. Your reads on me and Damdred were basically "this post is townie, this post is null, this post is scummy.... -> conclusion: town/scum". It really doesn't say anything unless you explain that and you werent willing to do that. Anyone can make that kind of a picture, and one post that is scummy/townie doesn't mean anything regarding how people should read YOUR alignment since we can't realize the motivation behind the "this post is X" "sentence". I said that early on, and i don't wanna repeat myself, people should realize easy things like that on their own.

You don't care about meta, that's fine. Why is HF lying townie in this case? When did someone tell you that? Basically you say you don't care about meta but then accept something as a fact because of "meta". Let me tell you something, why don't you tell us what YOU think about that yourself? Or was your post about the gun scenarios your opinion meta removed?

Can you elaborate more on your scumreads? Especially on ritoky. Does your Damdred read from the beginning still apply?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:57 GMT
#1763
On August 18 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2017 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2017 01:30 Tumblewood wrote:
whatever you and rayn are doing right now is the stupidest argument i have seen in a long long time. and i know "you can't just call it tvt for being an argument" but this is such a potent combination of inanity and hostility that yes i am calling it 100% tvt

How is the argument stupid from my point and why is it tvt?

by inanity i mean the point you are arguing over is ridiculous (about a facet of the setup that is obviously not true), and by hostility i mean both of you are far more passionate than a point this ridiculous warrants. i've only skimmed your side of the argument so far (still catching up); your side doesn't seem stupid so far, but it is still vehement and over a ridiculous detail, and i think that is more than covered by the fact that you were already likely town.

I only asked him where he thought he saw something like that.
He went batshit insane and started calling me mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 16:58 GMT
#1765
On August 18 2017 01:49 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 18 2017 01:42 Jealous wrote:
I just came here to paint some pictures. I think I'll go back to doing that now that I have more free time starting tonight, because I'll probably be on mobile/relatively busy all weekend and will be forced to use text.


I mean I try and make constructive posts at least.

Also in this hopeless/rayn argument I totally believed hopeless thought that someone like cake made an argument about tw seeing the judge qt.

I was all ready trying to quote him and tell him he misread her post but then the thread went full on shit fest.

Bad joke if it was one.

dude he said that was not the point. he literally said he was bullshitting and because i called him out for that (i didn't honestly even think he can be mafia before) he started calling me scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:06 GMT
#1770
On August 18 2017 02:01 Eversince wrote:
Rayn: I liked Rayn catching up but this second fight about nothing makes me super nervous. #2 bout that I personally think is an entirely pointless agrument to be dragging out. but it being night I'm wait until tomorrow and see how he handles his reads then. Can stay at null for right now.

Can you actually tell me why that makes you "super nervous" about me? Where am i doing something scummy? I dig into shit i find fishy and that was fishy, you even said it yourself on Hopeless part. I also have iven out reads. Do you have anything to comment on them?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:08 GMT
#1771
Also why do you seem to have like 6 scumreads?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:16 GMT
#1778
On August 18 2017 02:10 Conversion wrote:
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On August 18 2017 01:03 Jealous wrote:
On August 17 2017 22:51 Conversion wrote:
@Jealous

On August 16 2017 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Parking on rayn until I look at FF's filter later tonight. Definitely not voting for H1 but I guess I will have to do my due diligence and look at his filter too; even though he's one of my hard town reads, that kind of false confidence and unwillingness to read filters is exactly what makes people play bad.


why did you end up never doing anything you mentioned and left your vote parked on rayn?

On August 16 2017 11:30 Jealous wrote:
On August 16 2017 11:18 CopCake wrote:
I know the Euro people are sleeping but where are the american pride people?

Finishing a paper and preparing to study for an exam I have tomorrow. I might have to put off any megaposts about FF and H1 until after I finish doing those things. I will make brief summaries though.


On August 17 2017 05:03 Jealous wrote:
Something came up - won't be back until evening. Sorry all.


Thanks.


uh.. do I really need to timestamp you? You parked your vote on rayn, and said you're going to look into Hopeless' filter twice.

don't scumlean me for "apparently started willfully not reading filters in their entirety as soon as he found something to latch onto and publish to the thread so I'll give him a scumlean on that"

when you're posting lists without reading the full length of my filter. that's even less effort on your part.

now show me exactly where this "latch on" behavior happens and your argument will make sense. I post my thoughts in the thread to be transparent, and you take that as an attack on your play and use words that sound like I did far more than just ask you a simple question

This post is very good. I don't really care if Jealous had to leave, that's acceptable. But he made like 20 posts where nothing was what he was going to originally do. This all is even worse if the sentiment HF presented is true, that he thought i am not mafia. Because then he intentionally left his vote on a townie and was willing to talk about anything else other than the person he didn't know their alignment and was supposed to filter.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:19 GMT
#1780
I am sorry i doubted you Conversion, you are now my top town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:26 GMT
#1788
On August 18 2017 02:21 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2017 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:01 Eversince wrote:
Rayn: I liked Rayn catching up but this second fight about nothing makes me super nervous. #2 bout that I personally think is an entirely pointless agrument to be dragging out. but it being night I'm wait until tomorrow and see how he handles his reads then. Can stay at null for right now.

Can you actually tell me why that makes you "super nervous" about me? Where am i doing something scummy? I dig into shit i find fishy and that was fishy, you even said it yourself on Hopeless part. I also have iven out reads. Do you have anything to comment on them?


I know you have a 'explosive' personality. Which when you get fired up I see as questionable. Like my previous post, why did what should of been a pretty clear cut and dry argument drug out for pages??? Short answer is there isn't. Long answer is I know enough about you to know that your like that to an extent regardless of alignment which means are you just pissed? Are you driving for some piece of information or motivation? Is there a point to what your doing that I just don't understand?

And taking so much time to do so bothers me a lot because this case: I think Hope re instigated that exchange and I think that makes him worse for it because you've already been blown up this game. And what's this accomplishing at night other than coming up with the possibility to I don't even know? Shoot you? Prevoke enough of a reaction to get enough suspicion back onto you to push for lynch tomorrow? Like he implied he didn't think you were mafia before going into that.

So mainly, you're just hard to read. And I'm a slow reader, slower typer, and prone to skip certain things which would leave me giving you free passes when I should see underlying motivation of what you're trying to do. (Re my last game with you that I had you as town entire game and you were mafia.)


I know this usually doesn't come from mafia, but like... he has gone over the point. I have given him a quote numerous times, a quote that should clear all that up. Is he playing too scum to be scum? I don't know. Why would he do that as town? Why would you ever do that? I can't find any reason.

I can accept your me read. But still, you should make up your mind, because whatever you decide it helps me figure out your alignment which i don't honestly have much clue of atm.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:31 GMT
#1791
On August 18 2017 02:28 Tumblewood wrote:
it would make sense that he could be the mafia i'm missing.

Okay so, you listed 5 people as mafia, why can he be the "mafia you are missing"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:36 GMT
#1794
Okay, i am mostly interested in your geript read (after you filter him) and your ES read. Also why do you think ritoky si town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:39 GMT
#1795
On August 18 2017 02:36 sicklucker wrote:
paint me a picture

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:48 GMT
#1805
On August 15 2017 05:17 ritoky wrote:
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On August 15 2017 05:15 CopCake wrote:
On August 15 2017 05:06 ritoky wrote:
On August 15 2017 03:41 CopCake wrote:
Btw "breaking" "bending" rules is not town aligment tell, like honestlt I can perfectly mimic myself having a badass plan and shit and people would be like "Oh my god that is so meta town cake".

It is absurd.

Fucking judge of this thread, not others.


all my life people told me i use stupid metrics to make reads. all my life i been more right than wrong. even if it is dumb, your top mafia read is about a drawing of a clock....so...




You weren't my top mafia read but now you are for lying.

I said Damred was the mafia more likely.


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 02:45 CopCake wrote:
If I have to lynch someone I think I would lynch Ritoki

Wait Cake, what is this?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2017 17:49 GMT
#1806
On August 18 2017 02:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2017 02:46 geript wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:36 sicklucker wrote:
paint me a picture

the fuck is this

I think that SL is Conversion or Jealous. Probably the latter.

oh is that a thing?

I realize mods arent supposed to answer this stuff but

sicklucker isnt in the game, what gives?

He is never ever Conversion. If he is Jealous he is mafia.
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