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On July 15 2017 22:37 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 22:13 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 21:49 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 21:41 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 19:13 emperorchampion wrote:
Rux who else is scum for you right now Koshi is lock scum. Rayn is lock town. Tumble is lock town. Everyone else are in a fleeting state of scum leans. I feel like I have very few solid town reads so far, and it's bothering me. what about damdy and geript? Damdred is a hard read. I feel like every time he says something it's very restrained. Gives a sort of xata mafia vibe, but that is just superficial stuff. I don't have anything solid on him. Geript on the other hand, I kinda want to die regardless of his alignment. I don't think skynx and geript are mafia together, and I regrettably have to admit that as much as I dislike geript and that he is a proven liar, I don't have any solid reason to call him lock scum. I'll have to do some filtering of both of those to see if there's some long running agenda I might've missed. that will have to wait though, I'm on the move-Ish right now. So you don't believe the mason claim. Is there any reason why not?
the dude is insane. he even believed sicklucker's cop claim last game when he said he has a check N0 (there's never a role that can chack people on N0 in TL Mafia).
But this is probably him just being mafia trying to imitate his insane shit since every single piece of logic tells those two guys are actually masons. If they are lying they just outed 2 people of their mafia team to try to either lynch their scumbuddy Skynx or try to save town!VA to try to lynch town!Skynx, and neither makes zero sense at all.
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On July 15 2017 22:39 Damdred wrote:
Eh, i don't want to lose the game but it's not a b.s. deal per se...
deal it is then.
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I am pretty sure you realize where i am going with this Damdred, but i'll say it anyways. Normally masons do make the two of them basically three townies (+ the confirmed status), but in this game i feel like you being masons with geript makes you two basically 2x geript, and (no offence to geript in any way) i like having Damdred + geript more than 2x geript, hell in this game i would like to have 1x Damdred more than 2x geript.
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On July 15 2017 22:44 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 15 2017 22:37 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 22:13 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 21:49 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 21:41 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 19:13 emperorchampion wrote:
Rux who else is scum for you right now Koshi is lock scum. Rayn is lock town. Tumble is lock town. Everyone else are in a fleeting state of scum leans. I feel like I have very few solid town reads so far, and it's bothering me. what about damdy and geript? Damdred is a hard read. I feel like every time he says something it's very restrained. Gives a sort of xata mafia vibe, but that is just superficial stuff. I don't have anything solid on him. Geript on the other hand, I kinda want to die regardless of his alignment. I don't think skynx and geript are mafia together, and I regrettably have to admit that as much as I dislike geript and that he is a proven liar, I don't have any solid reason to call him lock scum. I'll have to do some filtering of both of those to see if there's some long running agenda I might've missed. that will have to wait though, I'm on the move-Ish right now. So you don't believe the mason claim. Is there any reason why not? the dude is insane. he even believed sicklucker's cop claim last game when he said he has a check N0 (there's never a role that can chack people on N0 in TL Mafia). But this is probably him just being mafia trying to imitate his insane shit since every single piece of logic tells those two guys are actually masons. If they are lying they just outed 2 people of their mafia team to try to either lynch their scumbuddy Skynx or try to save town!VA to try to lynch town!Skynx, and neither makes zero sense at all. What do you think of the 100% town lock between rux and tumble? Seems super weird for both alignments to me.
i dont really think it makes either of them anything.
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well basically what you said :p
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On July 15 2017 23:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 23:54 emperorchampion wrote:
Damdy: can you look up koshi's read on you and let me know how bs you think it is? It's a so so read honestly, like the read I put on geript in thread is a town thought process. But it is also parroting rayn way of reason me So could easily n a read you can back down from without way to much effort, while still looking ok if I flip. It is a no lackluster.
No Damdred. It was a read that was 100% terrible, Holyflare even said so. I was wrong and Koshi enabled me to be wrong again against the evidence that was there.
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What i mean is what Koshi said is a 100% wrong conclusion, he was talking about TMI and that you didnt have that, when HF was arguing the opposite. We all know if you had TMI or not, so you cannot ever call that read townie. Maybe nai but never townie...
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As it makes 100% sense as mafia to know or "come to a conclusion" that you dont have TMI since townies usually don't.
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On July 16 2017 00:05 emperorchampion wrote:
Has koshi responded at all to ruxxar's pressure on him all game so far? Like if they're scum buddies does rux go balls to the wall since day 1?
I already talked about this, ruxxar did nothing with his super scumread on Koshi.
I don't see why they cant be mafia together.
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On July 16 2017 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
Congrats vivax cobf town
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On July 16 2017 00:08 ruXxar wrote:
Couldn't get any traction day 1. Hoping for better luck tomorrow.
that's bs, you never even tried.
or if you did please show me where it is in your filter?
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On July 16 2017 00:13 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 16 2017 00:05 emperorchampion wrote:
Has koshi responded at all to ruxxar's pressure on him all game so far? Like if they're scum buddies does rux go balls to the wall since day 1? I already talked about this, ruxxar did nothing with his super scumread on Koshi. I don't see why they cant be mafia together. As long as you help me lynch koshi I don't care what you call me.
noone in this game is ever going to be "helping you lynching koshi" since if he flips mafia you deserve as much credit for it as my shoe does.
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On July 16 2017 00:24 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 16 2017 00:08 ruXxar wrote:
Couldn't get any traction day 1. Hoping for better luck tomorrow. that's bs, you never even tried. or if you did please show me where it is in your filter? Never even tried? I called out the guy a million times. Asked people their thoughts on him. Parked my vote on him for a long ass time. Then you show up with your bullshit claim that I'm mafia for voting koshi?! You can just f**k right off.
I dont care where your vote was.
Show me where you pushed his lynch, especially after your first "case" (the way Koshi started the game) was proven wrong. It should be very easy thing to do if you actually did that... And no, saying "lynch this guy" is not the same thing as pushing someone, because a push with no reasoning is like my shoe.
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On July 16 2017 00:27 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 00:21 emperorchampion wrote:On July 16 2017 00:12 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 23:38 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 23:37 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 23:35 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 23:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 23:22 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 23:20 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 23:04 emperorchampion wrote:
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Then do you see any reason for them to claim masons as town? I like this question a lot. Forced me to think real hard. You get extra town credit for that. To answer your question, no, I can't think of any good reasons besides them being really good friends that want to keep each other alive. So are they more mafia because of it, or less? Cause it's like a pretty big thing that I don't think you mentioned at all. And you're individually scum reading both of them. I have such a negative view on both of them that I can't bear myself to call them town for it, even if that is supposedly the objectively correct play. Might just be my personal bias in wanting them to be scum, but for now it's all just a muddy mess surrounding them. Like my intuition is telling me that they both look real shady, and then having to accept that they are town would just fly right in my face of reading the game. I don't think my ego can handle it. meh, I'm starting to think that this game isn't nearly as solved as I thought it was. Guess it's not surprising. Please explain  I just felt good on skynx / koshi as scum. Rels could be, still 50/50. Now not as much, guess there's a lot more places to look. Why you voted VA then??? On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .
I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.
In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.
@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?
I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.
I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.
For now gonna park my vote on va. This is your opinion on me after like stating 2-3 times you need to read me. You give me a pass based on the reason that I'm trying. But earlier there is this: On July 13 2017 23:21 emperorchampion wrote:
Quickly checking in: the "slip" is pretty lols that hf pointed out. I suppose some small town points to rsoul for being skeptical on this point. For this dislike hedging, I think I've been pretty clear my overall read on people . Of course there are things that give me pause on people but you can say that about any read at this point.
With regards to what rayn added re: his reasons for scum reading rux I'll look more at this later tonight. va's entrance I didn't mind at first glance since I didn't love skynx 's big post.
I'm sure there's more in there but gotta re read the last few pages later tonight.
Implying VA townlean, Skynx scumlean. Later on you just keep repeating "Koshi/Skynx is a good place to look at", like 5 times, no exageration. What do you mean by a good place to look at? Does this imply a scumlean? No one is gona follow that if you don't point out why we're scum. You also mention getting cold feet on VA lynch. I just can't find any reason to justify you staying on VA. Why did you vote VA? What were your reasons for scumreading (or implying so) me and Koshi? Why didn't you do anything about it when you had scumleans? Mmm I think I was more quickly checking in when I read both your case and VA's response to it. For starting my vote on VA I largely sheeped rayn and other's read on the situation. Then it turned into VA never defending him self, so I didn't really have any reason for moving off. I got a bit cold feet because it started looking 50/50 ish, until he started posting baby seals. Then I felt good about it till after the flip lol. Koshi can be scum for a number of reasons, that my self and others have largely stated in thread since the start of night. For koshi it's definitely developing into a scum read. For you, we'll see. I agree on Koshi but I'm the counter wagon to VA. If you're pushing the idea of I'm scum in the thread but not putting any effort into pushing me and vote on the other wagon thats just suspicious. Like literally, you switch and I'm dead. But that doesn't happen. Did you scumread me or not?
i am going to mark this for myself for tomorrow (or if i happen to die to HF), because if this actually happened this is very very scummy.
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On July 16 2017 00:34 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 16 2017 00:27 Skynx wrote:On July 16 2017 00:21 emperorchampion wrote:On July 16 2017 00:12 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 23:38 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 23:37 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 23:35 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 23:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 23:22 emperorchampion wrote:
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So are they more mafia because of it, or less? Cause it's like a pretty big thing that I don't think you mentioned at all. And you're individually scum reading both of them. I have such a negative view on both of them that I can't bear myself to call them town for it, even if that is supposedly the objectively correct play. Might just be my personal bias in wanting them to be scum, but for now it's all just a muddy mess surrounding them. Like my intuition is telling me that they both look real shady, and then having to accept that they are town would just fly right in my face of reading the game. I don't think my ego can handle it. meh, I'm starting to think that this game isn't nearly as solved as I thought it was. Guess it's not surprising. Please explain I just felt good on skynx / koshi as scum. Rels could be, still 50/50. Now not as much, guess there's a lot more places to look. Why you voted VA then??? On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .
I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.
In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.
@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?
I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.
I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.
For now gonna park my vote on va. This is your opinion on me after like stating 2-3 times you need to read me. You give me a pass based on the reason that I'm trying. But earlier there is this: On July 13 2017 23:21 emperorchampion wrote:
Quickly checking in: the "slip" is pretty lols that hf pointed out. I suppose some small town points to rsoul for being skeptical on this point. For this dislike hedging, I think I've been pretty clear my overall read on people . Of course there are things that give me pause on people but you can say that about any read at this point.
With regards to what rayn added re: his reasons for scum reading rux I'll look more at this later tonight. va's entrance I didn't mind at first glance since I didn't love skynx 's big post.
I'm sure there's more in there but gotta re read the last few pages later tonight.
Implying VA townlean, Skynx scumlean. Later on you just keep repeating "Koshi/Skynx is a good place to look at", like 5 times, no exageration. What do you mean by a good place to look at? Does this imply a scumlean? No one is gona follow that if you don't point out why we're scum. You also mention getting cold feet on VA lynch. I just can't find any reason to justify you staying on VA. Why did you vote VA? What were your reasons for scumreading (or implying so) me and Koshi? Why didn't you do anything about it when you had scumleans? Mmm I think I was more quickly checking in when I read both your case and VA's response to it. For starting my vote on VA I largely sheeped rayn and other's read on the situation. Then it turned into VA never defending him self, so I didn't really have any reason for moving off. I got a bit cold feet because it started looking 50/50 ish, until he started posting baby seals. Then I felt good about it till after the flip lol. Koshi can be scum for a number of reasons, that my self and others have largely stated in thread since the start of night. For koshi it's definitely developing into a scum read. For you, we'll see. I agree on Koshi but I'm the counter wagon to VA. If you're pushing the idea of I'm scum in the thread but not putting any effort into pushing me and vote on the other wagon thats just suspicious. Like literally, you switch and I'm dead. But that doesn't happen. Did you scumread me or not? i am going to mark this for myself for tomorrow (or if i happen to die to HF), because if this actually happened this is very very scummy. Please do it today, in case you die. Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .
I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.
In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.
@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?
I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.
I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.
For now gonna park my vote on va. Votes for VA, townreads me. Rest is just pushing the idea of I could be scum but thats it + Show Spoiler +On July 15 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 02:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 02:08 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 02:03 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Idk this game feels hard to me right now i want to do a lot of things.
Rux s causing me to go crazy thinking he might of tmi va a no in hi he defended him.
Skynx reaction was so over the top with grit and how he approaches the game is just weird to me this game at least.
Tina list post got some pressure off her now she's disappeared into the aether. Which runs me badly.
I don't think I want to lynch va today.
Rels is a good policy lynch though.
And ec filter is a bit to clean at this point, and weird in that he's sort of sidelined and not taking part in what's going on it seems to me and is avoiding like almost all notice atm. You think my filter is too clean?? Please expand on this. tbh I feel like I'm mostly playing my own game so far. I think I followed my main main null / could lynch reads fairly well so far, now I'm left with va and rels atm. So far I haven't seen much from va that could change my mind otherwise, which is quite unfortunate if he's town. Why rels? Cause he hasn't done anything so far, I don't feel like I could remove him from a poe list with 0 activity. So besides va and rels everyone else are null or town leans? Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this. On July 15 2017 05:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Meh koshi is not great, if va did something to do defend I could move. Sad, but not sad at all if he's mafia.
Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript On July 15 2017 06:23 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 06:16 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 06:12 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 06:10 Tumblewood wrote:
fuck i shoulda been here earlier Why does that change things? cause i planned to defend va if he was gonna get lynched. when i got on ithought i had an hour to do that and it was actually like 5 minutes. if you didn't notice i last-minute switched my vote to skynx I dunno can't defend someone who doesn't care to defend themselves. I dunno I think skynx koshi is a good place to look, skynx not the worst counter wagon On July 15 2017 07:06 emperorchampion wrote:
Hf what do you think about skynx scum? On July 15 2017 07:27 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so:
Damdy and geript masons
Hf i think likely to be town
If I assume rsoul doesn't say things just to escape a scum read
If tumble and rux are both town
sl looks like town to me
Rayn likely still town, but need to re read since there have been cases on him this game
Rels
Skynx
Koshi
Am I missing anyone? Think there's a good chance of at least 1 scum in those 3
On July 15 2017 07:33 emperorchampion wrote:
Koshi and skynx can both be scum for tone vs other people in this game. Both didn't really do much day 1 and lots of inconsistencies in skynx case as pointed out by others.
Rels, didn't love his catching up, just the one thing with rsoul.
Do you have anything to show from before deadline?
Or are those posts before deadline?
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Like you cant go into someones filter and say "there is an inconsistency" when there are things that have happened between that definitely change people's thinking (aka VA's alignment here). If those posts you quoted are from before D1 ended then you have a case and a good one.
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Also hi doctor and hi mafia, i am confirmed town when EC flips mafia but i wont tell you why.
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Skynx is also confirmed town then so you are going to have a hard time scummers.
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On July 16 2017 00:46 emperorchampion wrote:
For skynx last day I think my read was mostly like: OK there's the analytical thing that ruxxar mentioned, but also things that geript pointed out in your case. And wasn't a fan of the aggressive tone. It was mostly you looked the worst by poe.
For VA, there was the whole thing with his entrance. I voted him because it seemed like it could be a good chance of scum. He never defended him self. He himself said that no one can read him right, so it was like OK then.
I dont care what you thought about VA but every single one of those posts Skynx showed looks like you dont even think VA is mafia or at least you think Skynx is more likely mafia, so there is that.
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