[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia

On March 15 2017 05:59 Damdred wrote:
/confirm

On March 17 2017 07:28 disformation wrote:

doing that worked very very well in hosts revenge mafia?

On March 17 2017 07:33 Calix wrote:


And got your arse MLed on D1.

What's your rationale behind doing nothing until D2?

On March 17 2017 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Grrrrrrlllllflll mrrrrgggllll!!!!
##vrtrrt Drglllll

On March 17 2017 07:38 Calix wrote:


You could try doing what I am doing and just start playing less townie in general...instead of sandbagging it entirely.

On March 17 2017 07:42 Xatalos wrote:
Bad Koshi.

On March 17 2017 07:03 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:
Hi. This is my first game here and I'm not really sure how things get started off here but I'm wondering if everyone could share their alignment preference. Would help me see how high I need to set the bar when reading them. I prefer town.

On March 17 2017 07:55 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:

Several years now.

On March 17 2017 07:59 Calix wrote:
Koshi, if you'd be kind enough to humour me for a moment, what do you make of the Damdred/ Xat/ disfo discussion?

On March 17 2017 07:59 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:
Koshi is probably town by the way.

On March 17 2017 08:02 Calix wrote:


If you are just going to be useless then can you kindly fuck off and not post? It would be ten times more helpful since you've probably hit your minimum post requirements.

On March 17 2017 08:07 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:

Sure. I liked that me answering your question without commenting on anything else in the thread pinged you. It showed that you were scumhunting early and it makes sense to push on someone who was reading the thread closely enough to respond immediately but not actually posting anything.

On March 17 2017 08:09 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:

Probable scum post.

On March 17 2017 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Pst koshi you violating your 92 hour rule bro

On March 17 2017 08:18 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:

It just seemed like an easy jump and the thought process felt shallow.

Here's how I see it:
1. Scum typically lurk (at least more often than not) and I've scumread people in the past who answer irrelevant fluff questions without participating in the major discussion in the thread at the time especially early on in the game.
2. Koshi asked me a question.
3. I ignore everything else (the discussion between Xatalos and Damdred for instance) and respond to that pretty much instantly.
4. This shows I was reading the thread and refreshing it fairly often even if I'm not commenting. That's more often than not something scum do although there were extenuating circumstances here.
5. Koshi picked up on it and asked why I was lurking. That showed me he was on the lookout for possible scum even outside the major thread of discussion. So, I think he's probably town. It's not solid but that's the best read I have this early on.
6. Damdred I think missed the subtext entirely. He just threw out a shallow read "oh, he's appeasing someone who engaged him so he could be scum." It's just an easy read on someone he thinks would be an easy target. He doesn't really wonder why I townread Koshi or even straight up ask me.

Why are you townreading Damdred?

On March 17 2017 08:26 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:

I'm a little confused by the voting system here. Why are people voting in thread when there's a separate thread specifically for voting? Am I supposed to vote in both threads?

On March 17 2017 08:48 Calix wrote:


Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter?

Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off.

I don't see how Damdred is comparable.

On March 17 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Fuck I want to townread xata for us posting same things near each otger. But it's kinda lessens because it's about him.

Decisions decisions.

On March 17 2017 08:06 Damdred wrote:
Ok so since dis going to go for a bit.

I think xata and cal are both town right now.

Deepblue is moving towards scummy territory with the fearless read of koshi being town for no real reason I guess?

On March 17 2017 09:04 Calix wrote:
I don't see a case worth voting on, just some posts which you don't understand and can easily have a discussion with DD about.

How is that 'since dis is going to go for a bit' line bad? If he said that and then shit-talked disformation then I'd see your point but all Damdred does is give reads. That seems more town to me.

Pretty weak imo.

On March 17 2017 09:24 Damdred wrote:


That's dumb just because I think something is wifom doesn't mean someone else doesnt. Dis has posted about it and was curious about his thoughts. Though I still think we aren't understanding each other. And did had just posted about whatvi asked him about. Though it's probably bad I took a stance before I wake him necessarily but he didn't go for or against whatvi said so kinda not a point atm.

As for dis has to go, he literally said before my post that he had to leave, so I went to change the conversation to something else. Owl what else to say about that we weren't going to get any more useful info out of dis until he's back anyway meh.

As for xata I think he understood whatvi was getting at, as halfway an inside joke. Sort of like his postings towards me.

On March 17 2017 09:32 Calix wrote:


I disagree with the bolded. He didn't give any indication as to why we were town-reads. His opening line does not correlate with the next line. They are given separately.

Given that this is the crux of your argument here, I think your conclusion is misguided and elusive. "Meh meh" kind of thing.

On March 17 2017 09:42 Calix wrote:


I'm attacking your argument because I think it's weak and I have no idea how you think it's better than the case on disformation.

The fact that it's focused on Damdred is secondary to that.

On March 17 2017 11:50 Onegu wrote:
I think there is a problem with my role PM...

It says VT.

Must be some sort of mistake for me to roll VT again.

I think hosts are just trolling me.

On March 17 2017 14:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's an early morning in Gotham City. The deep green sea sleeps silently. If you listen to it closely you can hear the sounds of reason and knowledge from it. Not everyone sleeps though. There are criminals on the loose and the batcave has been fully functional during the night. Batman is sitting in the coffee table. Robin is sitting in the toilet taking a shit. Alfred walks in with a pot of hot delicious coffee.

Alfred: "Sir, a rough night, huh?"
Batman: "Yes. We got a lead to the TV-station. There was the Who wants to be a millionaire show."
Alfred: "Mhm..."
Batman: "You know, the host gave a question. There is a formation of numbers, 1,2,3,4. What number comes next? Then we saw the possible answers. 7, 22, 19, 107."
Alfred: "But... those are all wrong?"
Batman: "Exactly. There is no point in a question where all the answers possible are wrong! That's when we ran to the stage."
Alfred: "Well I'll be DAMD...."

At this point Alfred gets interrupted by Robin walking into the room..

Robin (shouts): "Haha yes, and he was all RED when he left the stage!"
Batman (smiles and nods): "Well you know... If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it's
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Alfred pours more coffee to the cups. Batman drinks his coffee black. Robin puts about seven tablespoons of sugar into his coffee. Both Alfred and Batman look at each other and shake their heads simultaneously.... Then Alfred continues;

Alfred: "Sir, did you have a chance to look at today's newspaper?"
Batman: "No, what was special about it?"
Alfred: "There is a nice new blog!"

Alfred hands the paper to Batman. Batman opens page 254 and reads;



Alfred interrupts here...

Alfred: "Sir! It's the sign. They're sending it from the Plammer tower again! You need to get going!"

Batman *sighs*: "Again... Oh well let's go Robin!"

They both rush up and run to the batmobile.
+ Show Spoiler +
dada dada dada dada dada dada dada dada......

On March 17 2017 17:57 disformation wrote:

Am I reading this right? Malongo is the Joker? I am the Penguin (based on the fact that you ppl seem to think going to bed at 00:00 when I have work next day makes me scum somehow)?

On March 17 2017 15:06 Xatalos wrote:


A miracle....

Anyway, to me it felt exactly like he was trying to evade/deflect attention, but without being very successful. Then he left, which achieved that goal for the time being. So.. what does "moves straight ahead" mean?

On March 17 2017 18:07 disformation wrote:
Brings me to another point: for me being fairly NAI which you admitted here:

You seem pretty bend on calling me scum, without room for consideration.

On March 17 2017 18:45 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm. I'm a bit disturbed that my biggest question to disfornation still remains unanswered. What gives?

On March 17 2017 19:23 Xatalos wrote:


Not much of an impression of any of them. I remember Tumbleweed had a slightly worrying post where he complained about people being townread (even some that actually weren't?) without providing his own thoughts on the players. Foley seemed okay from what I remember. Nothing to judge their alignments with any confidence.

On March 17 2017 21:16 disformation wrote:
though i'd like koshi to explain why he switched from damdred to oneg like that.

On March 17 2017 22:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe it's kind of meh.

So dis

Damdred
Calix
Xata
Koahi
Dis
Rayn
Deep

This is kinda a town list where I am at right now. Am I wrong on any of these and why?

On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote:
I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.

Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.

As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.

Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.

On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote:
ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win

On March 17 2017 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense.

On March 18 2017 00:28 disformation wrote:

but what made you want to switch off of damdred in the first place?

On March 18 2017 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't. The last part makes no sense and is not a reason to "doubt" anyone.

The Tumble read is also bad (as you pointed it out now). There is nothing weird in saying "these people are too good to be read town early on for their posting". There is nothing wrong in that. There is nothing interesting in that, it doesn't mean anything since Tumble just pointed out (in case he is town - which i am quite sure he is) what he believes to be true, and it makes sense.

On March 18 2017 00:52 darthfoley wrote:
inb4 rels posts 4 hours before the deadline

On March 18 2017 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But there is no reason to doubt a townread on him atm. You jsut don't "doubt" something unless they do something scummy (which is not something DBS has done). Especially coming from Damdred who has a tendency to afk for large amount of times in games lately. It's just bs to even imply DBS could be mafia for that because it's never something that is associated with one's alignment.

On March 18 2017 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See your last conclusion is okay. Damdred's conclusion however is that DBS has already fallen on the list because he could be sleeping or working or whatever....

On March 18 2017 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Vote for Damdred or Malongo, i am 90% sure both are mafia.

On March 18 2017 01:34 disformation wrote:
and then i was like "okay thats crap, what does damdy have"
then I was like "wat? that smiley thing is even worse than my crap"
followed by "soo... wtf is damdy doing, can he be scum here for that weird read"
and then i realize that it all was a joke

On March 18 2017 04:50 darthfoley wrote:
ATM I feel like DeepBlue is kinda playing like TimeTraveler from that other game, disformation

On March 18 2017 06:23 disformation wrote:
oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds.
there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels.
just sayin'

On March 18 2017 07:37 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:
The speed of this thread is way too fast for me, sorry. I just returned from work and there are several new pages. I don't think I can keep up with this game. I asked to be replaced. I'm just used to a much slower pace. Maybe some other time.

On March 18 2017 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi be reasonable... :p

On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote:
hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him
someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim

On March 20 2017 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos is also mafia because not wanting to lynch me despite wanting to lynch me. If he was town and actually thought i was mafia he would have tried to actually lynch me. So there is that too.

Nothing new to say about Damdred.

On March 20 2017 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Instead of looking into the people who compleined about the votes on Malongo (when noone was doing anything) you should try to look at the people who call me scum for not even voting for Malongo and because i somehow "pushed Malongo to be lynched" (aka Xatalos).

That's some fucking twisted shit right there. Mafia 101 of "how to call someone scum without any reasons at all".

On March 20 2017 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i am having fun with that, because people cannot be convinced with any sort of logic anymore in this game so i don't really see what else should i be happy about when playing mafia anymore.

On March 20 2017 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is town. I mean like sure he made a "contradiction" but people don't make contradictions they surely notice (if mafia) they are being called out for it (see for example Tumblewood and his "vets cannot be read" -> "i have a at least a somewhat read on all vets now").

Mafia makes contradictions they don't even realize are one (see Damdred).

On March 20 2017 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's like your whole play at the EOD is basically "rayn and Tumble are mafia whatever Malongo's alignment is".

On March 20 2017 03:30 darthfoley wrote:
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.

Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.

Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff

On March 20 2017 03:37 darthfoley wrote:


I still think Eden's 5-3 point was decent about Malongo. In retrospect he could do that as mafia so admittedly it's NAI, but I find the VCA component of it cool and something I hadn't thought about before

Sorry for thinking that tumblewood's paranoia and generally EoD play isnt purely mafia indicative when I've done the same thing myself? Look back at the game where NeverUnlucky was lynched D1 as mafia and I was hard defending him as town for similar reasons. Made me look terrible after the fact, but I was still waffly and town

On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:


? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar.

Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right.

You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.

On March 20 2017 04:45 disformation wrote:
okay. where was I.
tumblewood
strongly suspicious of rayn. kinda waffles on/off that wagon a lot near deadline.
spoiler cause long:
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tbh. after rereading it, it kinda makes no sense to me as either alignment.
Only explanation for the mal town lean was:

Though. I can kinda understand downgrading mal to a plynch after mal coming back to do nothing.

Like town could have been waffly at deadline. TW also could be scum being worried to look bad for being on the wrong wagon. which could explain the:

from:

as in being overly conscious about how he looks to the thread.

Not impossible to come from town, but I am leaning scum on that.

On March 20 2017 05:19 Xatalos wrote:


Opinions on rayn?

On March 20 2017 06:04 darthfoley wrote:


Sorry for claiming you've been passive when you've only been an active contributor for 24 of the 96 hours?

Your use of the word fuck will not sway my opinion my dude

Or should I say: your fucking use of the god damn fucking word fuck won't change my fucking opinion

On March 19 2017 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Normally Damdred has some good reads (or at least really townie thought processes on reads). I don't see any of it here. Like he usually feels happy(?) that he finds townreads and here it's just some random lists of some people and asking if people disagree... It's just... unsmart.

On March 20 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote:


Looking back at your filter, passive is too strong of a word. I just feel like outside of the Damdred vs Disformation back and forth that you weren't as pushy or opinionated as I have seen town!koshi act in the past

On March 20 2017 06:18 Xatalos wrote:


Kind of. I did think any of rayn/Tumble/Malongo could be scum, but I didn't say they all were or that flips among them wouldn't affect my reads on the rest of them.

On March 20 2017 06:23 Xatalos wrote:


Hmmmmm.... I don't follow anymore.

On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble

On March 20 2017 06:19 Koshi wrote:

So why are you misrepresenting me? You say:
" Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners. "

Where did this happen? The only time I was on the sideline this game while activily playing was at the start of the day with Xatalos/damdred and disformation but only because I was chatting with my gf and even then I made other plays to confirm players.

On March 20 2017 06:45 Xatalos wrote:
Could you elaborate on Eden and foley?

On March 20 2017 07:52 darthfoley wrote:


Explain to me the mafia motivation behind that when I could easily put pressure on someone more likely to get lynched, like TW, Onegu, ritoky (who at the time was alive and I thought was acting suspicious), etc.

I'm not an idiot, and if I were mafia I would much rather try to buddy you than argue with you considering your ability to get people to listen to you.

Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.

On March 20 2017 08:03 darthfoley wrote:


I said this because I don't like a game where everyone TRs you (or anyone really) early on and stays out of the limelight for awhile. Now, me making the comment triggered you into this frenzy of insults at me, but you're also talking about other people more, which I like. Now correlation doesn't equal causation, but I'll internally take a bit of credit for having the nerve to dare insinuate you aren't playing a perfect game (well i know you aren't because you're wrong about me) and that people should still think about you-- and then boom super active Koshi comes back into the fray.

First of all, the first two comments I cited were from before my post, so kindly take your LightningStrike CAPSLOCK somewhere else. The subsequent one liners support what i'm saying, from my pov. I'm allowed to be unimpressed by your pushes D1 outside of the refereeing you did during the whole Damdred vs Disformation thing.

On March 20 2017 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay game got interesting. I am a jailkeeper so you scummers want to either CC or find someone else to lynch. Honestly i am baffled about how the game started since there should literally be no other reason ritoky died except for if Eden is scum (especially for Koshi and Xatalos). There is at least 1 mafia in those two since they should be never voting for me at this point.

So now they need to do something else and i am gonna watch veeeery closely. This is good because we have a cop, mafia needs to shoot me N2 and they get another check for sure.

I am not gonna say who i jailed because it doesn't matter, i am just gonna say that if you're town Xatalos you just helped mafia to kill because for your retarded actions i changed my save from ritoky. So thank you for that, please don't be town.

Now Koshi and Xatalos, try something else.

On March 20 2017 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:


So is yours. You voted for the same dude i did. Now start scumhunting. And answering.

Why did you vote for me when Eden was 100% more obviously mafia than i am after N1?

On March 20 2017 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That is not true and you should know it. When i have a strong opinion on something that makes someone mafia i don't care about what they post anymore because, well, i just don't care. Because 10 townie things don't make up for 1 very very scummy thing. I also hate arguing with mafia because it's annoying, i get mad, and people will not listen to me anyways.

You have literally jsut seen a game where i had the same sort of read (or how strong it was) and never did anything about it after the early game because everything else in the game was boring as fuck. And you can't somehow make the conclusion that i could be town here too?

This smells like bullshit Koshi.

When did you start thinking Damdred is town?

On March 20 2017 08:27 darthfoley wrote:


That's a good point about Onegu. It was like the only thing he had said all game. In retrospect, I actually kinda like the early JK claim because it really puts scum in a very interesting situation for the rest of today

On March 20 2017 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Also you and Xatalos want to explain this because literally noone did call Malongo mafia for the reasons i did, people argued he is mafia for different reasons but somehow both of you and Xatalos want to paint it as "rayn lead the lynch on Malongo" which is by default wrong.

On March 19 2017 04:21 Damdred wrote:
I don't get how I'm not saying smart things when rayn isbliterallyvrepeating what I say after I did about mal and picking up things about Eden and my scum read on him.

Holy shit and xata is agreeing with him and troops me to null. Is thisnliterally real fucking life.

At least df has a legit reason to come arte me sing I wan arte him and I was on his scum list.

Which btw df my reason for voting mal was calling me and disf town voting rayn without any real explanation. Which I said first.

I'm leaving because I can't even this thread right now.

On March 20 2017 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So yeah your conclusion is that whatever i did was wrong and made me mafia. Because i never faulted anyone for voting for Malongo and noone else has been lynched in this game.
Good job.

On March 20 2017 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you quote all of those posts that made you change your mind on Damdred, before you left, from D1 Koshi?

On March 20 2017 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you could please do.
That's the last thing i am gonna ask you about this.

On March 20 2017 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you quote all of those posts that made you change your mind on Damdred, before you left, from D1 Koshi?

On March 20 2017 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem is that you're now arguing that you were scumreading me because i was scumreading Damdred. How does that make sense when you now say you were fairly certain Damdred was town (which basically means you should scumread me here), but when you vote for disformation, after this you make this post:

Where i am your top 3 townread.

Now how does this make any sense at all Koshi?

On March 20 2017 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am sorry if i don't understand the logic behind "i am scumreading you because you're not supposed to scumread Damdred" and when i ask you "for which posts whould i had townread him?" you point out posts that happened before when you were still hard-townreading me.

So excuse me if i don't get how i am mixing timelines.

On March 20 2017 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem is your filter suggests (from N1 and D2) you should have scumread me at the time of the post i quoted for you yet i am your top 3 townread at that time.

On March 20 2017 15:51 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... thinking further about rayn's claim... I'm starting to get more suspicious.

Let's consider the possibilities.

1) VT - no way in hell. He'd be strongly playing against his win condition, baiting a counter-claim.

2) JK - plausible, but statistically quite unlikely (around 5%). More importantly, if this is the case, there is also a Roleblocker. This means rayn just ruined his crucial role forever from a little pressure. Is this townie play?

3) Mafia - quite plausible. As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO. If there is a counter-claim, well, he's baited out the JK. But I'd expect him to claim later in the day in that case, now that plan is a bit too premature.

All in all.. I'd put his chances of being scum higher than town, probably, considering the motivations and statistics in each case.. hm

On March 20 2017 16:28 Xatalos wrote:
Wait.... Although on the other hand, if they were both scum, then it could be a desperate measure to get away from this situation. If Eden was town, wouldn't rayn be more inclined to just fight it out? I'd imagine he could hope to bear Eden in that case...

On March 20 2017 17:40 disformation wrote:

No. You are lock scum to me.
You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing.
N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing.
PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again.

On March 20 2017 17:46 disformation wrote:

my big problem is that multiple ppl had to prod her into action / started to get suspicious about her.

On March 20 2017 17:55 disformation wrote:




what game are you reading?

On March 20 2017 18:04 Calix wrote:
BTW Koshi, I remember you said something about how 'four people entered the thread and didn't take a stance on disformation' - can you remember who those people were again?

On March 20 2017 21:43 AMG wrote:
This is a shitty thought experiment because filters in isolation are only part of the story. This is a game of interaction. As such both of my reads on these players will involve another player. (the same player)

Eden is probably town.

disinformation is also probably town.


Lets discuss why.



I've made this post before as town. He really wanted to lynch Calix, which is stupid, but he wants what he wants. That's not on the cards from what I gather up to page 22. So he justifies where he did leave his vote in the end, Damdred, as he believes that even his second choice for the day was a better option than where the lynch ended up going. Hes saying "right well you guys fucked up by not listening to me, and now that you've gone and dun fucked up, listen to me more in the future.... and kill who i want to kill". Looks like a townie who wants to flip his scum reads to me.


disinformation seems town for his early interactions with Calix. I can feel the emotion in his posts, his back and forth bickering seems genuine. He also seems reluctant to step off his scum read of Calix, even after both agree they're in OMGUS territory and are shitting up the thread. Its at this point that id expect a scum disinformation to commit whole hog to a fight with Calix and completely clog up the thread, but he does manage to back out of it and refocus elsewhere, while still maintaining his paranoia of Calix, but agreeing to lynch elsewhere for now.

On March 20 2017 22:01 Calix wrote:


New theory. BTDT decided to troll us hardcore and made everyone town. rayn is just fake-claiming to draw a shot.

QED

On March 20 2017 22:04 Calix wrote:
I was joking.

I don't know what to make of AMG but his posts weren't what I was expecting. So yeah.

On March 20 2017 22:07 Calix wrote:


Did you also not have doubts after seeing that post?

I'd expect scum to just go along with the wagons. Only way that doesn't make sense for him is if he is scum with both of them.

Which would work with my reads but it's a bit presumptuous to assume I have nailed all three scum by D2 without further information.

On March 20 2017 22:23 Calix wrote:


Do you have any reason to think Onegu is mafia from what he's posted?

On March 20 2017 22:31 Xatalos wrote:


1) You had around 5% chance of rolling JK, 30% scum, and I would scumread you without the claim, so the chance of being scum isn't "extremely low".

2) I said there is a claim-like post in the thread. I didn't say I believed it was from a blue necessarily.

On March 20 2017 23:07 Calix wrote:
What about Xatalos, Koshi? I actually think Rayn has a valid point with his latest post (#1464).

On March 20 2017 23:16 Calix wrote:


So I can still be mafia? I'm flattered, if not surprised

On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote:


He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.

On March 21 2017 00:15 disformation wrote:
xata might take a bit.

care to look on my stuff on damdy in comparison?

On March 20 2017 23:29 Xatalos wrote:


ROFL

Thanks for the name...?