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On March 26 2017 00:01 Damdred wrote:
Koshi was one of the largest townread people in game, he was good while he was here and his posts n1 were pointed and re evaluating. And as an added bonus could of been used to put nor pressie on you before your claim.
And yeah calix was hard fighting with you throughout d2 not so much d1. And super townread.
Overall pretty simple
So why does shooting Koshi apply pressure to me on D2 more than shooting Xatalos? Because that's what you do if you want to apply pressure towards me by night killing someone.
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Keeping Koshi alive basically guarantees he is gonna call me mafia at some point and not gonna change his opinion like fucking ever, that's something you have very well aware of Damdred..
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On March 26 2017 00:14 Damdred wrote:
Killing koshi adds more fuel to xata fire than the other way around tbh which should v more apparent to you than the other way around.
Koshi reevaluates xata was still arguing you scum after you claimed. Like koshi very obviously cake you mafia and changed his opinion.
No it doesn't. The whole thing you are saying here is based on that i will claim on D2 which is something you cannot have possibly known if you are mafia on N1.
If i am town:
Xatalos can be convinced
Koshi cannot be convinced
That is always 100% more likely outcome than the other one. Basically everyone in this game knows that.
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Well whatever. Based on all this I am not sure if i believe you "never shoot ritoky" because shooting ritoky STILL leaves both of Koshi AND Xatalos tunneling me and you can possibly get away with Eden alive on D2 and ritoky dead. Also if you are mafia you know that there is a jailkeeper in the game and even if your arguing that "koshi was the best shot" was true it's not because if the JK jails them you have no night kill at all. Ritoky's case wasn't that highly recognized as a good case. I was thinking it doesn't make Eden mafia. Xatalos was thinking it doesn't make Eden mafia. AMG later on (well this doesn't mean much since he wasn't in the game on N1 - but it still shows the mindset a lot of people had). I don't remember about the other people but you were one of the only people who were arguing it does.
So if you're mafia and Eden is also mafia, Koshi and Xatalos are tunneling me and i am tunneling Xatalos, i don't see any reason why you should NOT kill ritoky over anyone else in this game.
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On March 26 2017 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I don't agree with that at all.
Xata is tunnely, koshi changes reads at a moment's notice most of the time. Which he has done 999 times.
Except that he doesn't do that when it comes to me. Unless something like claim happens.
Show me a game where that happens and i will give you at least three games where the exact opposite happens. Now everyone should be - and is - aware of that. This is what makes Koshi a bad night kill N1 when i am in the game and town (true) and town is wrong early on (true).
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I don't even know if you're mafia. disformation probably is though. He keeps posting a lot of stuff and ending back to where he was before every time after.
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On March 26 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:
My only problem is that koshi has been so wrong this entire game.
Well this pretty much doesn't make Koshi scum since if the team would be Eden/Koshi/disformation the player you know 100% to be town has been equally wrong the whole game. 
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I really didn't want to lynch Xatalos except to at very end. I was always going to switch back to Eden, i was waiting for Onegu to come post and then he posts right after i stopped waiting... 
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You're right though that i shouldn't 100% write off Koshi though at least until reading him again.
I really just don't see him making the kills.
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No i don't think Koshi is mafia.
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On March 26 2017 01:53 Xatalos wrote:
Btw both of you, but especially rayn, remember to claim your actions at deadline. That way we gain info even if you die.
We can't since there is the resolution period. Claiming 30mins before the night ends is a no-go.
My target won't reveal anything except if there is a no-kill even if you knew it. Because there is 2 mafia left. If there is no-kill then i am obviously alive to tell who i jailed.
On March 26 2017 01:37 Xatalos wrote:Why didn't you make your initial claim like this that 
Because i didn't care at the time. I actually wrote most of that post on thursday but i haven't been able to get on computer properly until now.
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On March 26 2017 01:42 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:
My only problem is that koshi has been so wrong this entire game.
Wrong about the Malongo ML (not a huge deal) but he also didn't really say much about it at the time. This might've been when he was irl afk though so there may be an explanation.
He was also one of the people who switched very hard on to Xatalos when it seemed as though Eden might end up getting not mislynched. I think the numbers were like 4-3-3 Eden-Xata-disformation at the time. I believe I remember Xata remarking at the time how quickly Koshi seemed to jump on the Xata wagon. It just seems like a scum play tbh, especially if the team is Eden/Koshi/disformation. Koshi (and others) make sure the CW is Xata instead of SvS who would have a better role than AFK goon.
I also think this is a relatively safe play from Koshi POV because he's unlikely to get checked my cop (for fear of checking someone who dies) and if he's GF a cop check won't matter. Plus if you jail him and there's no kill he can very reasonably claim "wtf man I wouldn't carry the KP, I was obviously the KP target" ... or his teammate carries KP and your jail is useless
Plus now he's talking about how he is soooo lost in the game. Can someone more comfortable with his play tell me if he's ever been so unconfident of himself before? I agree the switch was oddly hard/sudden (from lock town to lock scum in like minutes). And it would fit the scum motive. But yeah, him directing these actions and overall playing solidly... I don't really buy it.
Like koshi is super super level-headed on D1, N1, and if i skip the fact that his targets are "wrong" on D2 too. Like it's very townie. Just because he has been wrong doesn't make him scum.
There is also the fact that Koshi trusts on my reads. When i claimed D2 there is no reason to assume town!Koshi would not vote for Xatalos especially if i do.
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On March 26 2017 02:06 Xatalos wrote:
Are you sure? The way I understood it, actions can't be changed during the silent period
What's the point of the silent period then? :o
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Ooooh okay i understood it now Tumble. Just weird wording.
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Has disformation really called anyone scum in this game?
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Which one of Damdred / AMG then?
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Or do you think Koshi or Tumblewood can be mafia?
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Like it doesn't matter rn if you (or anyone) thinks the team is me + df because it's totally unproductive, if we can't lynch mafia the next day and don't get shot tonight then we deserve to be lynched and lose.
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Like if i can't lynch 1/2 mafia in Koshi/Damdred/AMG/Tumblewood/disformation with info from over a week then i seriously should be lynched.
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disformation if you're not mafia then who is and why?
No bullshit, just reasons why they are mafia. And preferrably why are the other two are not mafia.
If you think Xatalos is mafia feel free to argue that too.
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