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On February 15 2017 07:39 Damdred wrote:
And I should I just voted Palmar yesterday I would of had slightly more of a chance. And I knew for was doctor really early I should of pressed for that kill but meh.
TBH you couldn't really do that. If you did that you were dead because I would have forced a doc claim during the night. If you didn't fakeclaim, LS check between you and Malongo and we have auto. If you fakeclaimed, LS checks between you and ritoky and we have auto.
The setup is all about the 1v1. 1v1 in theory is NOT that imbalanced. But the partner's play is haaaaaaaard. You want to bus your partner to not give it away, but you cannot lynch him. That's where the imbalance is IMO.
Like in the QT Palmar says: "There is a chance I claim red on you, but if LS checks you too, that's an instant loss." That is not true. It always comes down to the 1v1 between the cops.
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On February 15 2017 07:45 Acrofales wrote:
I warned pre-game that scum would have to play proactively.
that wasn't the problem. As koshi talked about pre-game you basically made a terribly unbalanced game and said "well scum have to play well".
I mean, I signed up for it, so I'm not mad, but don't think for a second that this was anything close to a balanced game. We did manage to convince one townie for a time (malongo) but we needed two because ritoky decided to be a hero and save rels. I thought about shooting ritoky or LS (just to go for the big play) but whatever.
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Wtf was that N1 kill btw. So rude and I was more open minded to Palmar not being mafia.
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On February 15 2017 08:27 Vivax wrote:
Wtf was that N0 kill btw. So rude and I was more open minded to Palmar not being mafia.
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The reason why I said confirming Rels as town was Palmar's biggest mistake was because that made it harder for him to go for a mislynch on him or go for a harder to win scenario.
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I probably would have just traded myself for the cop if I were in Palmar's shoes and had a strong and active enough player who might be able to talk their way to a win. You net out slightly negative as mafia there, but at least you can't lose via mechanics/checks. Unless you are supremely confident you'll win the 1v1.
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Also I was pretty surprised you didn't have a medic read on me Palmar.
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If it was anyone else but ls I think palmar wins the argument.
And mal was lucky the I almost hard cc him before he rescinded and would of been an interesting day
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On February 15 2017 08:56 ritoky wrote:
Also I was pretty surprised you didn't have a medic read on me Palmar.
Damdred did
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On February 15 2017 08:57 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2017 08:56 ritoky wrote:
Also I was pretty surprised you didn't have a medic read on me Palmar. Damdred did
I told you guys to shoot me like 4x 
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Get it right I was the cop 
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It was a nice game. Thank you hosts and players.
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On February 15 2017 08:57 Damdred wrote:
If it was anyone else but ls I think palmar wins the argument.
Maybe, Palmar made two mistakes though
One in his claim post and one on the last day.
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LS was too obvious town. Somewhere right at the start of the game Palmar had to explain to LS that he was mafia... That was maybe a mafia tell for Palmar, but it was for 100% sure a towntell for LS.
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"Hi i am a town cop and optimal play for mafia is..."
yeah no. 
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This is the real scumslip:
On February 15 2017 06:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:49 Palmar wrote:On February 14 2017 19:05 Rels wrote:On February 10 2017 22:29 Palmar wrote:On February 10 2017 16:01 Vivax wrote:
For now we leave the cop claims be and focus on finding the other scum. No I have no idea who it could be yet, nothing jumps at me particularly.
Palmar should both cop claims check the same guy or not? Neither should claim who they're checking because mafia will prefer shooting the person checked if he is town. I kinda don't wanna explain more until after daybreak (you can remind me to explain on d1), but please just trust me that it's optimal to not announce my check. typical mafia talk "ILL EXPLAIN LATER BUT I HAVE GOOD REASONS I PROMISE". It's not that there are not good reasons. Reasons are very likely to be very good. But this line of thoughts ==> "I have a good reason but I'll disclose it later" is a scummy mindset very usually. Especially if the reason is very good. you are retarded. I didn't want to talk about the cop options on n1 because of several reasons: I did not want a cross-check with scum (which I ended up getting anyway) I did not want the scum to shoot my check I did not want scum to panic and go for a big play (try to hope the doc is retarded and didn't protect me) on n1 if I announced I was checking scum I was hoping LS might fuck up and check me (yes, this has happened, more than once in this setup. Mafia claims cop, then claims to check the real cop "to be sure"). Wow I didn't got it but this is another scumtell right there. He absolutely didn't "hope LS might get fucked and check me" 'cause he tutored LS about him being scum in his POV: Show nested quote +On February 10 2017 07:37 Palmar wrote:On February 10 2017 07:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh if Palmar is town idk why he wanted to claim cop (my role) other than trying to take the shot but if he's scum he was trying to get the doc on to him to not protect me. Jesus please I cannot be town because I am not retarded enough to fake claim cop as town, it's terrible to do so. Which brings me to, if this is a stunt, and you're trying to give me a hint that you're actually fake claiming by talking about it, just retract, because it's 100% useless to fake cop as town in this setup. So if you somehow are town and thought it was a good idea, stop RIGHT NOW. I cba dealing with a more complex game than I have to. And more importantly. THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. So what if scum!LS "checks" Palmar ? That doesn't make him any scummier or townier, it's just a super bad check. So he's talking about making LS "waste" a check, but since in his POV LS is scum, there is no check to waste
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There is both no doubt that the setup heavily favoured town as well as that there was no way scum would win even in a balanced setup when fakeclaiming vs LS
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I think Rels kinda had the right idea on the last day;
Palmar wanted to lynch Damdred over LS when (if Palmar is the real cop):
- Lynching Damdred does not solve the game
- Lynching LS DOES solve the game
..for the rest of the townies.
Lynching Damdred does nothing, lynching LS does. Palmar knows both are mafia. Lynch Damdred? Only reason why is town cred.
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Every mafia makes mistakes and I made some yeah. And we did get unlucky that LS was the cop because of simply how transparently he tends to play this game. We also got unlucky that the entire day 2 was on a weekend so I couldn't establish myself more during that time, but the weekend problems are something I just live with.
In the end, the host wanted to make a game where town won, so he made a town favored setup and succeeded.
For us to win, we needed good play on part of both mafia, and a mistake or two by town.
@ritoky, i don't do blue reads and I never, ever have.
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