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Oooh look, it's nitpick Palmar's posts day. I got one that I commented to Artanis:
On February 14 2017 23:33 Palmar wrote:
I know it's kind of pointless for me to try to convince you, specifically, Rels, as all I really need to do is convince ritoky (with malongo being right). But it just annoys me so much that I can't make everyone be right.
I want everyone to be right, I don't want a contested shit-game lynch. I want glorious stomping of the mafia team with every townie on the right side of history.
A town Palmar should know that he does need to convince Rels, however hard that may be. Rels was confirmed town, and the nature of this game is that barring a bus, all of town needs to vote together to kill scum. A few posts later he had corrected himself, and nobody in the game really picked up on it, but it was a small slip in an otherwise convincing lie. Too bad for him that the real cop was quite obviously town :p
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Don't worry Palmar, after CC'd by LS the game was super duper uphill battle anyways for you. ^^ Especially with the doc being able to act N0.
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On February 15 2017 17:59 Palmar wrote:
Every mafia makes mistakes and I made some yeah. And we did get unlucky that LS was the cop because of simply how transparently he tends to play this game. We also got unlucky that the entire day 2 was on a weekend so I couldn't establish myself more during that time, but the weekend problems are something I just live with.
In the end, the host wanted to make a game where town won, so he made a town favored setup and succeeded.
For us to win, we needed good play on part of both mafia, and a mistake or two by town.
@ritoky, i don't do blue reads and I never, ever have.
 sad that you weren't on my side, was looking forward to doing some scum hunting with the boys....but most of the boys ended up being mafia.
maybe i will try to get another game in or co-host something in the next 5 months before my twins are born. it got enjoyable for a bit when everyone started talking to me 
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On February 15 2017 18:16 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2017 17:59 Palmar wrote:
Every mafia makes mistakes and I made some yeah. And we did get unlucky that LS was the cop because of simply how transparently he tends to play this game. We also got unlucky that the entire day 2 was on a weekend so I couldn't establish myself more during that time, but the weekend problems are something I just live with.
In the end, the host wanted to make a game where town won, so he made a town favored setup and succeeded.
For us to win, we needed good play on part of both mafia, and a mistake or two by town.
@ritoky, i don't do blue reads and I never, ever have. sad that you weren't on my side, was looking forward to doing some scum hunting with the boys....but most of the boys ended up being mafia. maybe i will try to get another game in or co-host something in the next 5 months before my twins are born. it got enjoyable for a bit when everyone started talking to me
that post made me go lmao btw:
On February 10 2017 08:59 ritoky wrote:Vacation Musings ft. Ritoky's Wife "I don't like that Palmar guy. Everything he said seemed pre-meditated, and people who tend to think of all that junk ahead of time are hiding stuff. But he also sounds smart, and smart people make sense. So I don't know, he wrote a bunch of stuff that is probably all factually correct; but can't anyone do that if they're as smart as him anyway?" "Oh wow, that Lightning guy seems genuinely excited that he did something and wants everyone to notice him....Oh wait now he's whining...I don't like whiners, can you vote on him now?" ritoky: I whine a lot "Who said I liked you? Anyways I don't know he sounds weird. Why don't you just vote both of them off the island?" ritoky: 1 of them has to be mafia and the other one town. "But you can just vote them both off anyways right? Cuz then you get 1 for sure." ritoky: From a procedural pov, you kinda can't. "Well that's dumb, you should be able to. They both sound bad, I wouldn't agonize over it; I would just pick one without thinking too hard about it and if you lose oh well, just blame the person who got voted off for not being good." ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oBfzoy0.gif)
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wow, mrs.ritoky's first paragraph :p
tbh i didn't read that post because posts written in that flavor make me see jsut "bla bla bla" and i skip over them.  I actually thought ritoky could be mafia early on since he was too town. ^^
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that convo was transcribed from our hotel room in disneyworld. she doesn't really know much about mafia, but she is a diehard Survivor fan....so she ballpark understood what i was telling her.
also rayn getting my alignment right? NEVER
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On February 15 2017 18:31 ritoky wrote:
also rayn getting my alignment right? NEVER
yep! ^^
although this time i "refused to be right for the "right" reasons" if you know what i mean. tbh i didn't read much (except for the checks and the claims) after there was a no-kill. Well and before, because i thought you or Damdred had to be the doc based on how you treated Malongo's claim (unless he is - but still lynch Palmar, Malongo will be settled later - was my thought).
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On February 15 2017 18:00 Acrofales wrote:Oooh look, it's nitpick Palmar's posts day. I got one that I commented to Artanis: Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 23:33 Palmar wrote:
I know it's kind of pointless for me to try to convince you, specifically, Rels, as all I really need to do is convince ritoky (with malongo being right). But it just annoys me so much that I can't make everyone be right.
I want everyone to be right, I don't want a contested shit-game lynch. I want glorious stomping of the mafia team with every townie on the right side of history. A town Palmar should know that he does need to convince Rels, however hard that may be. Rels was confirmed town, and the nature of this game is that barring a bus, all of town needs to vote together to kill scum. A few posts later he had corrected himself, and nobody in the game really picked up on it, but it was a small slip in an otherwise convincing lie. Too bad for him that the real cop was quite obviously town :p
This is actually just wrong.
Let's assume I'm town for a moment, and the real scumteam is LS/Damdred, as is the situation is the same as I was trying to convince people we are in.
LS/Damdred/Rels all vote me
Ritoky/Malongo/Me all vote mafia LS
Here's what would happen, if I was actually town:
If there is 1 mafia on each wagon, the mafia that is voting LS would quickly move to vote me, ending the game in a scum victory.
There cannot be 2 mafia voting LS, because by definition if I am town, LS is mafia. however in rels world there can be
So if we ever reach the stage (3v3) with 2mafia + rels voting me, and 3 townies voting LS, Rels would have to come to the conclusion that he is voting alongside mafia.
Obviously the real case was that I was mafia and what would have happened is damdred would quickly move over and hammer LS, ending the game, which was obviously my endgame as Rels picked up on:
On February 14 2017 23:40 Rels wrote:
if ritoky is town and votes LS Damdred hammers LS and game is lost. That is what Palmar is pushing for
HOWEVER: There was no mistake in the worldview that I was pushing. Timeline of what would have happened if I was Town:
1) Rels, LS and Damdred (1 town, 2 mafia, vote Palmar)
2) Palmar convinces ritoky and malongo to vote LS (3 town votes)
3) Stalemate
4) Rels comes to the conclusion (without me convincing him) that one side must have 2 mafia, or otherwise the game ends.
5) Rels needs to make up his mind between the two possible mafia teams (palmar + ritoky) or (ls + damdred). This situation also confirms me town to ritoky.
So no, all I had to do was convince ritoky and malongo I was town, that would always lead to rels having to re-evaluate without me having to do anything to really sway him.
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The 3v3 stalemate, in other words, proves that palmar+damdred is not a possibility, as if it is, we just win right there.
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On February 15 2017 18:56 Palmar wrote:
The 3v3 stalemate, in other words, proves that palmar+damdred is not a possibility, as if it is, we just win right there.
Are you trying to say that a 3v3 stalemate with 1 mafia in each wagon will convince Rels (when you can just break the stalemate as mafia and win)? I am a bit confused here.
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On February 15 2017 18:55 Palmar wrote:
1) Rels, LS and Damdred (1 town, 2 mafia, vote Palmar)
2) Palmar convinces ritoky and malongo to vote LS (3 town votes)
3) Stalemate
4) Rels comes to the conclusion (without me convincing him) that one side must have 2 mafia, or otherwise the game ends.
5) Rels needs to make up his mind between the two possible mafia teams (palmar + ritoky) or (ls + damdred). This situation also confirms me town to ritoky.
So no, all I had to do was convince ritoky and malongo I was town, that would always lead to rels having to re-evaluate without me having to do anything to really sway him.
Well that would not have happened, since as soon as step 2) happens, Damdred can hammer for the scum win.
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Oh yeah i get it now.
While you are right from YOUR perspective (if you were town) I am not sure you are right from Rels' perspective since Rels doesn't know if you are mafia or not (and wants people to not vote hastily).
So idk. If you were town, would you have tried to convince Rels the confirmed townie or not? Of course you didn't have to as mafia - but as town, would you or not? What would have been your best play - as town?
While technically you are correct Palmar, would you have - as town - "convince Malongo and ritoky and then Rels must see the light"? I am not sure you would.
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oh you're talking about you playing as if you were town. OK.
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OK it was a nice attempt. Shows that the setup was imba though, 'cause the game was sealed only using D1 info for me. It made no sense that Damdred didn't push for your lynch EOD1 when it was an easy victory for scum if you were town and him scum.
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D2 was irrelevant. Weird game
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Why did you guys shoot Vivax?
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Palmar might have read me blue cause I was less judgemental on the cops
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On February 15 2017 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2017 18:56 Palmar wrote:
The 3v3 stalemate, in other words, proves that palmar+damdred is not a possibility, as if it is, we just win right there. Are you trying to say that a 3v3 stalemate with 1 mafia in each wagon will convince Rels (when you can just break the stalemate as mafia and win)? I am a bit confused here.
No absolutely not. 3v3 with 1 mafia on each wagon, as you pointed out, is by definition not a stalemate, because mafia can just hammer and win.
that is precisely WHY the stalemate proves there isn't 1 mafia on each wagon (unless they trolling, in which case... who cares).
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On February 15 2017 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Oh yeah i get it now. While you are right from YOUR perspective (if you were town) I am not sure you are right from Rels' perspective since Rels doesn't know if you are mafia or not (and wants people to not vote hastily). So idk. If you were town, would you have tried to convince Rels the confirmed townie or not? Of course you didn't have to as mafia - but as town, would you or not? What would have been your best play - as town? While technically you are correct Palmar, would you have - as town - "convince Malongo and ritoky and then Rels must see the light"? I am not sure you would.
I don't know, if I knew how I behave as town when I'm scum I'd be unreadable. No one is unreadable.
I would, I think, in both cases have been trying to convince Rels anyway. Probably in a slightly different tone/enthusiasm, but yeah.
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On February 15 2017 19:09 Rels wrote:
oh you're talking about you playing as if you were town. OK.
yeah I'm just pointing out why Acrofales is being a dumbass.
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