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On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie.
Explain votes on mission 4 in this world.
All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team?
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On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie.
we're mafia.. with Vivax?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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On February 08 2017 00:09 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:00 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:56 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:49 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 23:45 Silverika wrote:
in short (ika here):
sharkie voting no when the only person he suspects on this team is vivax makes no sense form a towns POV. a town!sharkie should of voted yes on this to confirm vivax as scum/town (becasue scum!vivax would be forced to sabbo this or next mission where as twon!viv with town!shrakie is auto win)
so basically if this mission is sabboed, sharkie is the spy who did it You people keep using this logic and it doesn't work because it presumes that people have 100% townreads on the other people in the mission AND it presumes that failing a mission to identify a spy is worth it. Even if he was 100% on both you and grack, look at it from his situation. If vivax is mafia, he learns that Vivax is mafia whilst the rest of the thread (given thread sentiment) all believe HE is the spy. He knows Vivax is mafia but it doesn't help him in the slightest because he cannot convince the rest of the game of it. A mission is failed and a townie is left out of any further consideration, a disastrous result. you start with false premises and you end with wrong conclusions. grack town read vivax and has a record of it and vice versa so FMPOV and many other IMO they would have to argue one of two cases a) both are scum b) one is fooling the other thats only in the scum!vivax world cus thats seems to be your angle Obviously, B is the case. I have a strong townread on Sharkie and you believe I'm wrong or scum. We're exactly the same in that regard as your beloved grack and vivax. then why are you not trying to persuade grack that he is wrong as well? can you explain why scum!vivax who was widly town read at the time of his nomination removed himself? i feel like you missing the objective things that he has done that if he is spy he is argubly playing in a suboptimal manner So vivax playing in a suboptimal manner is ridiculous but rt and me playing in a suboptimal manner is logical? Vivax and you have that in common. You assume the best of spies when it suits you but other times spies are the dumbest players ever...
Huh? Vivax would have to making numerous mistakes, like not sending himself on a mission he could easily put himself on as team leader, putting grack and us into nearly confirmed town status which means he can't later scumread us when we are on a mission with him if it fails-basically ensuring he has to scumread you, which would put him in the position of having to explain a scumread on someone he's been calling an IC all game. And the grack townread also plays a small part.
Now, if he turns out to be a spy, he can poke fun at us post game and say he's even with us for pushing him off scum last game when we all were town. 
Also, scum defending each other and townreading each other is not suboptimal in this setup. There are only 3 of them. One mission requires 2 scum on it to fail. If they hardcore bussed even one person, they'd likely lose. So it's not dumb or suboptimal for scum to defend or protect each other.
Oh and FYI, I've voted with my scumbuddies in past games so saying scum would never associate with each other isn't true in all cases.
~SilverWolf77
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On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team?
I just did...
Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team.
It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!"
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On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie.
Care to explain? What you're calling my wifom now also was something you townread me for earlier. Wtf man?
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On February 08 2017 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. we're mafia.. with Vivax? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Same here that's the most WTF thing I saw today. What's the point of having this war as spies? Is spy win con now to not send each other on missions?
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On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!"
Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch..
Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate.
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On February 08 2017 00:29 Silverika wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:06 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 23:58 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:49 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 23:45 Silverika wrote:
in short (ika here):
sharkie voting no when the only person he suspects on this team is vivax makes no sense form a towns POV. a town!sharkie should of voted yes on this to confirm vivax as scum/town (becasue scum!vivax would be forced to sabbo this or next mission where as twon!viv with town!shrakie is auto win)
so basically if this mission is sabboed, sharkie is the spy who did it You people keep using this logic and it doesn't work because it presumes that people have 100% townreads on the other people in the mission AND it presumes that failing a mission to identify a spy is worth it. Even if he was 100% on both you and grack, look at it from his situation. If vivax is mafia, he learns that Vivax is mafia whilst the rest of the thread (given thread sentiment) all believe HE is the spy. He knows Vivax is mafia but it doesn't help him in the slightest because he cannot convince the rest of the game of it. A mission is failed and a townie is left out of any further consideration, a disastrous result. you start with false premises and you end with wrong conclusions. grack town read vivax and has a record of it and vice versa so FMPOV and many other IMO they would have to argue one of two cases a) both are scum b) one is fooling the other thats only in the scum!vivax world cus thats seems to be your angle What do you mean grack "has a record of it"? reading vivax right Please tell me you have more things to back you up except past games... Because that is the worst proof you can have for social deduction games... Also what is wifom? If you've been reading our posts, we don't think grack would of passed the mission as a spy because they could of blamed you for it easily. Vivax's play and behavior this game does not makes sense coming from scum which we've explained in detail and was the reason we sent him on the mission. The Vivax/Grack towread theory is very simple. Unless they are on the same team, their townread of each other is worth noting because they have a history of being able to read each other correctly. Is it the only reason we would use to townread either of them? Absolutely not. But it does play a small factor. ~SilverWolf77
On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie.
I look forward to your reevaluation.
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Man rtsoul is getting scumread over me.
What a great day. :D
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On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate.
Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case.
Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission.
He has to add a third person.
Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept.
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I'd even yolo approve a swika/emc/SL/TW team after the things I saw today.
Team 3/4 leprosy
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lol I read Vivax right in that one game and now I have a history of being right about his alignment.
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On February 08 2017 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate. Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case. Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission. He has to add a third person. Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept.
Or they just vote no and one of them gets added to the team by silver to auto-pass team #5.
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On February 08 2017 00:48 Vivax wrote:
I'd even yolo approve a swika/emc/SL/TW team after the things I saw today.
Team 3/4 leprosy
That's a pretty shitty team.
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On February 08 2017 00:49 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate. Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case. Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission. He has to add a third person. Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept. Or they just vote no and one of them gets added to the team by silver to auto-pass team #5.
See bold. Jesus Superbia.
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Earlier:
On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Now:
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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On February 08 2017 00:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:49 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate. Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case. Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission. He has to add a third person. Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept. Or they just vote no and one of them gets added to the team by silver to auto-pass team #5. See bold. Jesus Superbia.
Like I have time to actually read posts lolol + Show Spoiler +
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On February 08 2017 00:50 Vivax wrote:Earlier: Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Now: Show nested quote +Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I liked that when I thought the spy was likely to be sharkie.
Now I think the spy is quite unlikely to be sharkie.
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On February 08 2017 00:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:49 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate. Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case. Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission. He has to add a third person. Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept. Or they just vote no and one of them gets added to the team by silver to auto-pass team #5. See bold. Jesus Superbia.
They can just say they were voting for info man. =/ Like this is a big stretch.
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On February 08 2017 00:51 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:50 Vivax wrote:Earlier: On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Now: Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I liked that when I thought the spy was likely to be sharkie. Now I think the spy is quite unlikely to be sharkie.
Even then the same argument shouldn't lead to different conclusions for you.
Unless you use it just to make up reads when they suit the moment ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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