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On February 14 2017 19:37 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:33 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2017 19:26 sharkie wrote:On February 14 2017 19:24 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:22 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2017 19:20 sharkie wrote:On February 14 2017 19:16 Superbia wrote:
Vivax seems to be the only one who's actually evaluating me as possible town, which is why I'm just willing to ride or die with him until the end of game. Surprise surprise!!! Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy Hahaha Changing reads is a town-trait. that's not what he's saying anyway super. he's on his people read others as they read them kick, which is 1) not helpful to keep pointing out and 2) a blatant oversimplification of most of our reads which i personally do not appreciate I don't include you in that generalization. You have actual analysis working behind your theories and don't really care how people read you. But people like super, SL say "he townreads me so no matter what I townread him to the end" LS is town-reading me as well? I feel like Vivax's townread on me is probably genuine and he's one of the only ones to do it. So it makes sense to give him townpoints for that. LS is not town reading you. And TW never did
I got a feeling he was town-leaning me.
He approved the mission as well.
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lord i lost my train of thought :/
sorry about that. i meant, we'll make an effort to try to see as many possibilites as we can, including a town you, super. all i'm asking is that you also do us the same courtesy. i'm not demanding that we be townread just because people are upsetting lex lol >< anyway, that analysis was all his, and i'm not 100% where he is on reads; i was busy all day yesterday and we haven't really sat down and discussed it today, other than looking at the votes and going that doesn't really look good @.@
he thought maybe ls was scum voting an all-town team...it is something a scum-ls would likely be capable of, but that's probably wishful thinking
as for sharkie, i don't know if lex has mentioned it cause again...yeah,..but i was getting a sense of stubborn, unchanging reads from him that lex wanted to look into
sorry if you're resistance, sharkie, but you started giving me the heebie jeebies a bit ago
kinda don't want to get too into reads cause i know my game sense is hardly complete :/ but yeah
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On February 14 2017 19:36 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:32 RtaniSoul wrote:
i can't remember ever being particularly good at reading you super :/
your current theory is us, correct? well, it's not us, though we may be scum-siding. in fact, since we liked that team, we definitely are, presuming it failed
help me understand why tumble's early play was definitely scum to you? as i said earlier, your previous explanation seemed very...uncertain...for such a certain read. i remember (unless i'm attributing this to the wrong player) you coming back and just announcing tumble was scum. that seemed like a really hard read. but your explanation just seemed more uncertain, and that still seems to be one of your strongest reads in the game I have multiple theories at this point in time. As for tumble, it mainly comes down to: 1. People are townreading me. 2. TW comes into the thread and attempts to devalue the townread while giving no read on me. This is an obvious mafia play. 3. I pressure him and he concludes I'm mafia based on (iirc) nothing. Like I'm just suddenly mafia. 4. TW is then just perpetually afk throughout the game.
nh. i remember him being one of the first to seem to be trying to figure out the game by voicing suspicion on you, and that was one of the reasons i at least was leaning town on him early; perhaps i should look at that closer
it does make sense that shade without a commit would seem scummy to you if you're resistance. as for afk, tumble is not...well...what i would call a high-activity or reliable player anyway. if it makes you feel any better, his not scumreading us kept pricking at me lol >< i think we're obviously town but tumble hard scumread me for bullshit while making up reads and lying, all as town, last game i played with him. it seemed like maybe i should see more of that from a town tumble...or maybe he learned not to be a tard last game because of it...so i ended up kinda nullish on that and just uncomfortable
but the early probing had me townleading\
hold on; i'll look again
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lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x;
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Just out of curiosity:
Why is my read on vivax stubborn and unchanging (said by multiple people)
but everyone's read on grack is not stubborn and unchanging?
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On January 28 2017 14:47 Tumblewood wrote:
yeah I see no reason to TR superbia for what he's done this game... he's instituted some official unofficial rules, but that sort of stuff is NAI in my book. also he's been gone for the last 15 hours now out of ~30, so could you please explain (sw/ika), why you think he's town?
eh i don't really read this the same way you interpreted it, tbh. it looks more like probing for silver's alignment than making a judgment on yours
on the other hand, it is awfully reasonable. and part of me feels bad for reading anyone this way, but tumble doesn't exactly strike me as a reasonable person. if he's spy for anything, i'd say it's that, not the above post
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Wut about his read progression on me? Which goes:
1. Superbia has done nothing townie this game.
2. Superbia is possibly town for being in charge (??? bit of a conflict with 1).
3. Superbia could be leading shitty mafia team mates to a victory (10 after point 2, I think this is actually townie).
4. No change, I'm just mafia for the rest of the game at this point.
Point 1 I found suspicious.
Point 2 is weird, as it gives a townlean for me for things that were "not townie" first.
Point 3 I like, at it showcases someone quickly changing their mind after making one point.
Point 4 is pretty scummy imo.
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On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x;
lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at
i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk
@sharkie
i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax.
then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed
- silver was town practically instantly in your eyes
- so were we
- sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing
none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you
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On February 14 2017 19:57 Superbia wrote:
Wut about his read progression on me? Which goes:
1. Superbia has done nothing townie this game.
2. Superbia is possibly town for being in charge (??? bit of a conflict with 1).
3. Superbia could be leading shitty mafia team mates to a victory (10 after point 2, I think this is actually townie).
4. No change, I'm just mafia for the rest of the game at this point.
Point 1 I found suspicious.
Point 2 is weird, as it gives a townlean for me for things that were "not townie" first.
Point 3 I like, at it showcases someone quickly changing their mind after making one point.
Point 4 is pretty scummy imo.
i'll poke at lex to dig into this. he just walked back in the door. at the very least, i do believe you could have this reaction as resistance lol >< i only got as far as his early play, not his whole read progression
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10 minutes after point 2*
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On February 14 2017 19:59 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x; lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk @sharkie i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax. then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed - silver was town practically instantly in your eyes - so were we - sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you
My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter.
- I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed.
- Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc...
- SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play.
- EC: well, no comment there
- TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super)
- vivax: town to spy
- silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against)
- RT: neutral->good
So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O
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On February 14 2017 20:08 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:59 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x; lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk @sharkie i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax. then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed - silver was town practically instantly in your eyes - so were we - sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter. - I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed. - Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc... - SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play. - EC: well, no comment there - TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super) - vivax: town to spy - silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against) - RT: neutral->good So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O
It's something that we have gotten a feeling of in the last few days as you've been mostly focussed on stressing how people are treating Grack unfairly over Vivax, and it's been your focal point for a while now whilst, to the naked eye, not seriously reconsidering any of your reads. It felt kind of like you're in a transmitter state - just broadcasting, not receiving, if that makes any sense. But you're right, we haven't looked back through your filter yet. We could definitely be wrong 
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I'll look through Tumble again later. Right now we have dinner to start preparing!
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On February 14 2017 20:17 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 20:08 sharkie wrote:On February 14 2017 19:59 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x; lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk @sharkie i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax. then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed - silver was town practically instantly in your eyes - so were we - sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter. - I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed. - Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc... - SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play. - EC: well, no comment there - TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super) - vivax: town to spy - silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against) - RT: neutral->good So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O It's something that we have gotten a feeling of in the last few days as you've been mostly focussed on stressing how people are treating Grack unfairly over Vivax, and it's been your focal point for a while now whilst, to the naked eye, not seriously reconsidering any of your reads. It felt kind of like you're in a transmitter state - just broadcasting, not receiving, if that makes any sense. But you're right, we haven't looked back through your filter yet. We could definitely be wrong
Oh that makes perfect sense as I have had that feeling in this thread the last couple of days.
I mean I haven't had a single clear answer to my question way back (question to everyone): How would you have played the game as vivax if your teammates are the worst players in the game? Probably just like I have described in my theory no?
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On February 14 2017 20:24 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 20:17 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 20:08 sharkie wrote:On February 14 2017 19:59 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x; lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk @sharkie i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax. then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed - silver was town practically instantly in your eyes - so were we - sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter. - I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed. - Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc... - SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play. - EC: well, no comment there - TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super) - vivax: town to spy - silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against) - RT: neutral->good So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O It's something that we have gotten a feeling of in the last few days as you've been mostly focussed on stressing how people are treating Grack unfairly over Vivax, and it's been your focal point for a while now whilst, to the naked eye, not seriously reconsidering any of your reads. It felt kind of like you're in a transmitter state - just broadcasting, not receiving, if that makes any sense. But you're right, we haven't looked back through your filter yet. We could definitely be wrong Oh that makes perfect sense as I have had that feeling in this thread the last couple of days. I mean I haven't had a single clear answer to my question way back (question to everyone): How would you have played the game as vivax if your teammates are the worst players in the game? Probably just like I have described in my theory no?
Whenever I do something townie you say it's a creative play I did that to appear as spy.
I nominate all town team (according to you) -> I'm spy.
I vote against a team I'm in when it looks like it would pass, and also try to get people to think about their vote carefully -> I'm spy.
You have clearly shut yourself against ever treating anything I do as resistance. When I do something a spy would do, I'm spy. When I do something a spy wouldn't do, I'm spy cause I did that to appear resistance.
Nice last 7 pages btw I'm loving all of it. It's making me dangle on Grack, still kind of hard to believe he stopped reading me accurately.
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Vivacious, **see previous explanation** one of the people on this mission is a spy.
Do you think it's Sicklucker?
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On February 14 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:
Tbf tho id put ls over super in the team after cause ls would be like a hammer vote one scum while super almost had to approve.
This is you right here saying that it could be a strategic move for Super to choose/vote for an all town team.
Also none of you guys seem to understand that the next mission needs 2 spies to fail.
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Observations:
Sharkie keeps egging on fights from the sidelines
The theme that "it's scary to look into silver is going now"
Lots of people scumread others for scumreading them
Looks like I'm not the only one who gets really offended when they put in an obviously Town game with lots of effort and get the little jabs from others
I'm not the only one with a hydra partner barely here
Also, its Valentine's Day-I'd ratherxspend it w ika than this game.
Finally, I don't have the energy to fight anymore. If people want to scumread us after this mission and keep us off the next, go right ahead. Keep us off all the rest if it makes you happy. I simply do not care about this game anymore. It takes too much out of me.
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On February 14 2017 23:08 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:
Tbf tho id put ls over super in the team after cause ls would be like a hammer vote one scum while super almost had to approve. This is you right here saying that it could be a strategic move for Super to choose/vote for an all town team. Also none of you guys seem to understand that the next mission needs 2 spies to fail.
The only time this matters is if we pass this mission. Otherwise it just pushes our problems forward to the last mission where we do need a spyless 5-man mission.
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On February 14 2017 23:19 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 23:08 Grackaroni wrote:On February 14 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:
Tbf tho id put ls over super in the team after cause ls would be like a hammer vote one scum while super almost had to approve. This is you right here saying that it could be a strategic move for Super to choose/vote for an all town team. Also none of you guys seem to understand that the next mission needs 2 spies to fail. The only time this matters is if we pass this mission. Otherwise it just pushes our problems forward to the last mission where we do need a spyless 5-man mission.
I'm just saying that because I saw SL/Vivax both suggesting that Super would vote for an all town team just to get placed in the next one.
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