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On February 14 2017 23:08 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:
Tbf tho id put ls over super in the team after cause ls would be like a hammer vote one scum while super almost had to approve. This is you right here saying that it could be a strategic move for Super to choose/vote for an all town team. Also none of you guys seem to understand that the next mission needs 2 spies to fail.
Yea I forgot that tbh. As for strategic move, super didn't have that much choice. Who else besides himself and SL could he put in if he goes with the theory that I'm not scum? Literally only TW/LS and emc. And he was pressured into putting SL in instead. As I already said, I didn't have that pressure. You disagree, but it looked to me very much like I'd be on the next team if mine got rejected.
Btw I want a stance on you how you realize that you have to at least revisit your read on me while sharkie doesn't. It's one of the things I aimed for when I voted reject.
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And sharkie does egg on fights.
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On February 14 2017 23:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 23:08 Grackaroni wrote:On February 14 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:
Tbf tho id put ls over super in the team after cause ls would be like a hammer vote one scum while super almost had to approve. This is you right here saying that it could be a strategic move for Super to choose/vote for an all town team. Also none of you guys seem to understand that the next mission needs 2 spies to fail. Yea I forgot that tbh. As for strategic move, super didn't have that much choice. Who else besides himself and SL could he put in if he goes with the theory that I'm not scum? Literally only TW/LS and emc. And he was pressured into putting SL in instead. As I already said, I didn't have that pressure. You disagree, but it looked to me very much like I'd be on the next team if mine got rejected. Btw I want a stance on you how you realize that you have to at least revisit your read on me while sharkie doesn't. It's one of the things I aimed for when I voted reject.
I think Sharkie's explanation actually makes sense. If you have teammates that aren't being town read than you have to fail multiple missions. Putting yourself onto a team was going to hurt the way people read you since you attacked people for putting themselves on their team. Even if the 3 person mission passed and was sabotaged it would put you at a disadvantage against me/Silverika for the subsequent missions.
I didn't really think that you were a shoe-in for the next mission, but if you really thought so then it doesn't look great that you were trying to raise doubts about the mission based on my list post and then backtracked when people weren't agreeing with you.
I do agree that people re-evaluating their reads a lot is a townie trait compared to having static reads.
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Here's the problem that I have.
Sicklucker did not make much of an attempt to get on this mission. For him to be the lone scum sabotaging this mission we have to assume that scum just lucked into getting a sabotage with no real plan of their own.
These teams where your reads are currently based don't seem very likely at all to me:
Grack/Sharkie/SL
Sharkie/EC/SL
Can we really conclude that You/Silver/Artanis are all town and every townie just started vouching for the final scum who has pretty much been a shitter all game long? He made really little effort to get on this mission. You guys just insisted on him being sent.
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SL is just a bad player who lucked himself into the team because there are too many scummy players imo. Pretty much every PoE puts him into town
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We are town and if we think that vivax, grack, super, artanisoul are town based on the last pages, and if we agree sl is playing bad town:
Then that means-sharkie is the spy who failed the last mission, EC is a spy, and TW/LS is the third.
This is not outside the realm of possibility here and a lot of these convos could be town on town violence.
Also, sharkie seems to have this mindset that two of the spies are low effort, maybe he knows something we don't.
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On February 15 2017 00:01 Silverika wrote:
We are town and if we think that vivax, grack, super, artanisoul are town based on the last pages, and if we agree sl is playing bad town:
Then that means-sharkie is the spy who failed the last mission, EC is a spy, and TW/LS is the third.
This is not outside the realm of possibility here and a lot of these convos could be town on town violence.
Also, sharkie seems to have this mindset that two of the spies are low effort, maybe he knows something we don't.
Then the game is over? x:
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In before scum did not realize two fails are needed to fail the next mission.
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On February 15 2017 00:04 Superbia wrote:
In before scum did not realize two fails are needed to fail the next mission.
Mentioned that way before you
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On February 15 2017 00:21 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2017 00:04 Superbia wrote:
In before scum did not realize two fails are needed to fail the next mission. Mentioned that way before you
I don't really consider it because I am assuming everyone plays technically optimal. Like I am assuming scum would've conceded if this was an all town mission because why the fuck would you prolong the game?
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Like I have no fucking idea what kind of comments you are leaving sharkie.
"mentioned that way before you" okay? It's not even a relevant point to begin with?
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On February 15 2017 00:28 Superbia wrote:
Like I have no fucking idea what kind of comments you are leaving sharkie.
"mentioned that way before you" okay? It's not even a relevant point to begin with?
Indeed. So why make that comment?
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On February 15 2017 00:28 Superbia wrote:
Like I have no fucking idea what kind of comments you are leaving sharkie.
"mentioned that way before you" okay? It's not even a relevant point to begin with?
Lol where is EC? He hasn't posted in 5 days and he's still voting. He's making things a lot easier for us if he's scum and if he's town I don't even.
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I'm not even sure this fails so it's kinda surprising to see 7 pages of filter overnight. They were an enjoyable read though.
Grack chooses to remain pants on head on sharkie although the points against him keep getting more stacked and stacked by multiple people that can't all be spies.
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On February 15 2017 00:33 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2017 00:28 Superbia wrote:
Like I have no fucking idea what kind of comments you are leaving sharkie.
"mentioned that way before you" okay? It's not even a relevant point to begin with? Indeed. So why make that comment?
I do what I want.
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If this succeeds I want the time I spent on this game today back.
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On February 15 2017 00:46 Superbia wrote:
If this succeeds I want the time I spent on this game today back.
me too
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On February 15 2017 00:38 Vivax wrote:
I'm not even sure this fails so it's kinda surprising to see 7 pages of filter overnight. They were an enjoyable read though.
Grack chooses to remain pants on head on sharkie although the points against him keep getting more stacked and stacked by multiple people that can't all be spies.
I don't think you're one to talk.
You kept suggesting me/sharkie being a scum team. Who says this about their teammate when everybody is scum reading both of them? It seems like a pretty obvious town spew if he's mafia.
On February 12 2017 08:37 sharkie wrote:
vivax will probably go into history of leading the worst spy team to a win...
Can't believe I am the only person who keeps reading him a spy. At least people start opening their eyes to Grack. Totally sad that it took so long for people to realise that he isn't a spy.. Vivax is totally abusing the meta here, do you even notice how often he keeps mentioning that this is not his way to play a spy -> ergo being that he isn't a spy! That is like the lamest excuse ever. Some of you at least realised that two of our worst players in the game are the other two spies but don't see that as a reason how vivax is forced to play the game.
Just ask yourself if you were in his position, how would you play the game? You need to fail three missions, and your teammates will never have the prospect of entering a team nomination successfully. What would you do in that position? Stop thinking about the player but about the situation. Look at his defenses when he was accused by rt, me or grack. He got even defense bonus points from ec/tw - I'd never want that. He is also the only player who has still refused to flat out call ec a spy. The only thing I might agree with him is that tw might be a good player as super only appears in the game when it benefits his position as a potential spy player.
Also the mere prospect of Grack AND me being spies and not failing the first mission is so ridicilous. This is as ridicilous as his earlier "sure thing" of rt and me being a spy team together. I think his words back then were "if this mission fails, rt+sharkie is a sure thing." Do you even realise that he framed our second most reliable resistance player (rtani) a spy? How the heck can that be ignored?
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Mafia always read their teammates as being scummier than they actually are. Everyone else is scum reading me for changing reads. Instead he's like:
"Grack is obviously town for attacking Vivax. He could have blamed me. Sad!"
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On February 15 2017 01:01 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2017 00:38 Vivax wrote:
I'm not even sure this fails so it's kinda surprising to see 7 pages of filter overnight. They were an enjoyable read though.
Grack chooses to remain pants on head on sharkie although the points against him keep getting more stacked and stacked by multiple people that can't all be spies. I don't think you're one to talk. You kept suggesting me/sharkie being a scum team. Who says this about their teammate when everybody is scum reading both of them? It seems like a pretty obvious town spew if he's mafia. Show nested quote +On February 12 2017 08:37 sharkie wrote:
vivax will probably go into history of leading the worst spy team to a win...
Can't believe I am the only person who keeps reading him a spy. At least people start opening their eyes to Grack. Totally sad that it took so long for people to realise that he isn't a spy.. Vivax is totally abusing the meta here, do you even notice how often he keeps mentioning that this is not his way to play a spy -> ergo being that he isn't a spy! That is like the lamest excuse ever. Some of you at least realised that two of our worst players in the game are the other two spies but don't see that as a reason how vivax is forced to play the game.
Just ask yourself if you were in his position, how would you play the game? You need to fail three missions, and your teammates will never have the prospect of entering a team nomination successfully. What would you do in that position? Stop thinking about the player but about the situation. Look at his defenses when he was accused by rt, me or grack. He got even defense bonus points from ec/tw - I'd never want that. He is also the only player who has still refused to flat out call ec a spy. The only thing I might agree with him is that tw might be a good player as super only appears in the game when it benefits his position as a potential spy player.
Also the mere prospect of Grack AND me being spies and not failing the first mission is so ridicilous. This is as ridicilous as his earlier "sure thing" of rt and me being a spy team together. I think his words back then were "if this mission fails, rt+sharkie is a sure thing." Do you even realise that he framed our second most reliable resistance player (rtani) a spy? How the heck can that be ignored?
I don't aggressively push one scenario .In my list post I listed three scenarios that are all still possible in my mind, although the third one started to seem more likely.
I don't think that your posts look scummy by appearance, just your stances. That's the contrast that makes me doubt the read. I scumread you for your stance and I felt reinforced when you first liked, then called my interpretation of team 1 scummy. Which you said is no argument and I only made up quickly. Call it what you want but it's a fact and in my opinion it's not particularly townie to do.
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