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darthfoley
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On December 30 2016 02:37 darthfoley wrote: Well you were hard defending him against my wagon near EoD, so what is your overall conclusion read of him right now? LS is a pretty hard read at the moment. The koshi <> grack thing is not impossible for town to make with the TvS logic. But under that logic this: On December 30 2016 02:33 darthfoley wrote: [...] So in that post you say you're okay with Koshi being the lynch after you sheep him the whole day? You're okay with him being the lynch over someone you thought was pretty scummy? Also you said that you would have a bunch of info regardless of Koshi's flip. Let's hear it looks really bad. like if you think it is TvS and you are pretty sure it is the one you want lynched (GracK) and even vote together with the other suspect you shouldnt be so chill over the other one getting lynched? that being said i think think ls was actually there when the koshi thing went full force. in hindsight to my earlier post he also was phone posting (or claiming) to. so it would make some sense for him to being gone do rl stuff... but I really wish he could just say so. too easy to be lurking as scum. so if you look at it from both sides it is not impossible for him to be town. might be he didnt explain his stuff properly. but I think stuff is starting to slide into the scum side of things overall. so i am going with a scum lean. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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disformation
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On December 30 2016 03:10 disformation wrote: Would also like LS to start talking about more ppl. If he focuses solely on Grack next phase that is a scum tell. Thanks for the tip Sherlock | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I haven't read EOD yet, I'd love to understand why people switched to Koshi | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
I think I'll ignore the confirm/forget whatever thing. That might be true. It might not be true. It might be true and hes still scum. Whatever. Lets see what he actually posted. First "real" post: On December 29 2016 08:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh c'mon. Yes, I confirmed 2 days ago. Then, I had christmas dinner with gf's family, spent a nice time with her, she went home to my place with me and we continued having a nice time. Nail me on that if you feel like it and don't believe that I genuinely forgot about this game, okay. But lynching into me is the easiest thing to do for scum at this point. Check my last town game and check my activity level there. I can and will contribute for town in the exact same way if you give me the chance to do so. There's no way I will catch up in the like what 30 minutes or so we have until deadline. Tictock, the whole reason behind you voting me is that my vote was randomly cast on you.I checked if there was a main wagon, there wasn't, so I voted randomly. More important even: as there seemingly aren't any clear wagons and town feels confident in lynching into afk/lurky players, I fear that mafia is currently in the driving seat of this game. Which leads my gut to Koshi who went under the radar pretty much ALWAYS when town was on the wrong track. I correctly read him as scum once already so I guess it's worth something. Koshi has 1 filter, compared to his last town game of D1 that's horrendous. Also note Time Traveler's vote on me and keep a close look on ANYONE that voted me early as I am right now a very low hanging fruit for mafia and lazy town alike. Well town wasnt that confident in lynching into afk. Other two points not horrible. Might be flailing to get some names out there though. Waffly waffle post on the wafflemaster: On December 29 2016 08:24 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm right now randomly diving filters. Disformation's filter looks genuinely town but he's being wishy washy. On the other hand, that's disformation pretty much for me so that's not necessarily alignment indicative. Thing about disfo is that from what I can see, he only comments on stuff. "I like that", "I don't like that" and so on and he's not taking any actions on his own, being lazy. Seems to be willing to go after Grackaroni but rather discusses about me? Hmm Here I am like: My D1 was pretty bad. If he was scum looking for an easy out I think it would have been easy to put out something stronger against me. Esp. since some ppl werent happy with me (but not sure if he knew that). Then he goes to look at traveler: On December 29 2016 08:28 beentheredonethat wrote: You voted me without explanation. "Random" as you say. That means you didn't have a real clue who to vote on. Then, you unvote as soon as I drop one post and say "uhhh I still dunno". That's not townie On December 29 2016 08:29 beentheredonethat wrote: Time Traveler having two pages of filter, voting me (low hanging af) then unvoting again feels scummy as fuck #gutFeelings On December 29 2016 08:30 beentheredonethat wrote: oh he's new (to the site?) tho from what his filter says On December 29 2016 08:30 beentheredonethat wrote: But you said you do not know who to lynch. What are the better options then if it's not me? On December 29 2016 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote: That's actually a good idea and I like that. I wondered why you pushed me especially since it felt like you're doing it only because I voted you. I would lynch Traveler over disfo but I'm with ExO in terms of "he's new". Also I haven't read the game so I probably should just sheep someone and stfu :/ but not that's boring. Wanting traveler over me makes sense, though i am not 100% sure I like him liking to lynch someone he is very waffly about. Then decides to go on Koshi (also votes here): On December 29 2016 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote: 1-page-Koshi feels bad and I think he's a very good lynch. On December 29 2016 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Yes. I'm confident he'll flip scum. On December 29 2016 08:48 beentheredonethat wrote: No. 1. I don't want to lynch you as I have voted Koshi over you 2. I think you're new and that is why you're not really pushing anyone 3. I am really interested in your scum reads as one one hand, you said you don't know who to lynch, on the other hand you said something like "there are way better lynches than ExO_" Then he gets confused by my shitty EoD play and int ends in: On December 29 2016 08:54 beentheredonethat wrote: Don't lynch LS over Koshi, really. That's nuts. Also whatever disfo's doing there it's plain bullshit ##vote Koshi Id like to know why he doesnt want LS lynched. On December 29 2016 08:58 beentheredonethat wrote: So Grackaroni is lying about his motivations. So I actually like his posts on time and the grack one at the end. imo he should have gotten more worried from the grack thing at the end, but it was like 2mins to deadline, so no room to do anything anyway. Not sure where that confidence on Koshi came from, I think that comes from the "meta" observation in his first post. He also was on koshi fairly early. Dunno for some reason I am getting a town vibe here. I'd like him to explain why he was really against a LS lynch at the time. Don't think this is particularly scummy. Looks more like wrong town. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On December 30 2016 03:41 GlowingBear wrote: I won't consider killing disformation anymore due to sole effort he is putting in the game. I haven't read EOD yet, I'd love to understand why people switched to Koshi I am going to inform you that I can do this as scum, too. Though there is a difference of Quality between my scum VCA and town VCA imo | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
Is the result of the night actions going to be revealed at EoN? Or will we have to wait until next year? | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
comes in with a case on DF On December 29 2016 06:12 Superbia wrote: Specifically: 1a. Reads me mafia based on OP+activity (afaicr) 1b. Unwilling to push anything on me when we're both around. 1c. This is strengthened by his immediate response when I get smitten. 2 Lumps me together with disfo as becomin"sick on lynch day". I became OG sick near game start. This showcases that he is not familiar with my (admittedly) limited gameplay. Also I don't think his read progression on disfo has progressed but I may be wrong. Did he interact with disfo in between his list post and voting me? 3. My actual activity is not taken into account at all in the vote or read even though I have done some AI things On December 29 2016 06:17 Superbia wrote: Read my excellent post while I do a bit more reading On December 29 2016 06:24 Superbia wrote: Btdt has literally posted nothing yet lolol On December 29 2016 06:27 Superbia wrote: Darths entire lynchlist is pretty much policy based On December 29 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote: I'm going to sleep in like 5m. I think dfis mafia. I think at least one of the policy lynches is mafia: slam/btdt/tt2/chez (?). Not sure about a 3rd. I think that if df is mafia grack could very well be a partner, but I dont have an individual read on grack a bit more afterwards: On December 29 2016 06:35 Superbia wrote: I had a TT scumread? If so it was either a mistake or it vaporized. I think Tt is townlean for tone mostly On December 29 2016 06:43 Superbia wrote: Ok my patience is wearing thin and I really want to sleep. Sheep my case on darth or at least don't lynch a policy lynch. Pls make it 2 wagons as well On December 29 2016 06:45 Superbia wrote: Disfo is prob also not a good lynch indeed. Idk if i put that out there yet Comes in with an original case. Tries for ppl to get it/pushes it. Throws out a few other reads/obvervations. gtfos. Still dont 100% get his case, but it had some decent observations in it, so I dont think it is a fabrication. Also don't think scum needs to even pull out a case of thin air here, since the thread is super chaotic anyways. Plus the way he pushes his case is also pretty town. So yeah, overall i think he is pretty town for that. Its not impossible to do this as scum, but I think it way more likely he is just town atm. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
@Chez I wish we got to see a bit more of the active involved Chez of yesteryear. I don't mind a storyteller but with a player like Chez I feel like I could read a little better with more interaction. I guess that is a two way street though. So: /inthrgamewithchez I'm still surprised to see you voted for Koshi. I remember you've gone out of the way to defend "Inspector Koshi" before, | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
i think i have 4 ppl left. gb, tt1, df and exo ill go with exo and df next, but need a small break | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On December 30 2016 03:45 disformation wrote: BTDT I think I'll ignore the confirm/forget whatever thing. That might be true. It might not be true. It might be true and hes still scum. Whatever. Lets see what he actually posted. First "real" post: Well town wasnt that confident in lynching into afk. Other two points not horrible. Might be flailing to get some names out there though. Waffly waffle post on the wafflemaster: Here I am like: My D1 was pretty bad. If he was scum looking for an easy out I think it would have been easy to put out something stronger against me. Esp. since some ppl werent happy with me (but not sure if he knew that). Then he goes to look at traveler: Wanting traveler over me makes sense, though i am not 100% sure I like him liking to lynch someone he is very waffly about. Then decides to go on Koshi (also votes here): Then he gets confused by my shitty EoD play and int ends in: Id like to know why he doesnt want LS lynched. So I actually like his posts on time and the grack one at the end. imo he should have gotten more worried from the grack thing at the end, but it was like 2mins to deadline, so no room to do anything anyway. Not sure where that confidence on Koshi came from, I think that comes from the "meta" observation in his first post. He also was on koshi fairly early. Dunno for some reason I am getting a town vibe here. I'd like him to explain why he was really against a LS lynch at the time. Don't think this is particularly scummy. Looks more like wrong town. Actually rereading some of these posts I'm not sure how BtDt managed to put some of this stuff together in the short time he was in the game. Like I was around at the same time trying to look at stuff and was much less sure of any of my scum reads at the time. BtDt apparently had no problem skimming a few filters and coming to some hard conclusions in a very short span of time. I think I would shoot BtDt over anyone if I could tonight. Maybe Slam as he still isn't quite playing the game ATM. I guess there isn't a whole lot different between Slam and Chez, but Chez at least seems to have gotten invested in his role so we might be able to read him based on his actions. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
I actually think ExO came out very townie from the lynch. He was the only person that fully took control during all of the waffling and pushed through who he wanted to be lynched, which was consistent from his earlier posts. GlowingBear has seemed pretty townie to me. However, he said that he would sheep me and never moved his vote. He loses points for that. I think that if he had moved his vote then LS would have been more likely to have been lynched. Also I may be biased because he defended me at the end of the day. I think TT looks quite bad from the lynch. He started out calling Koshi very townie but he offered no real defense of him when Chezinu and BtDt voted to lynch him. On December 28 2016 15:02 Tictock wrote: I started this post over twice kus I both want to let Grack and Koshi get into it, yet I also feel like I want to weigh in. Koshi is towny AF and Grack could easily be mafia. However, I do rather like Gracks rundowns of the game. I'm setteling in to reread Dis now but I'd also like to point out how incredibly shit GB's last batch of posts were. On December 29 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote: It's about half OMGUS based, but he doesn't like that Koshi is pushing him without interacting with him. It's a fair point honestly, I just don't want to lynch Koshi today. On December 29 2016 08:49 Tictock wrote: Your vote was quite opportunistic and have not really brought any scum hunting to the table yourself. Honestly if it weren't for this being your first game you would probably be the lynch right now. That is the only thing holding me back ATM and I'm wondering if that isn't completely wrong right now. I'm also not terribly keen on D1 lynching Koshi as I don't think he has really been scummy at all. He has fooled me in the past though....bleh. On December 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh not sure where the vote count is at. If we are actually between LS and Koshi then I'm going with LS. He also joins in with a bunch of other people blaming me for the Koshi lynch, when I had at least made a case for voting LS over Koshi. On December 29 2016 08:59 Tictock wrote: If Koshi flips Town you are getting scrutinized to all hell tomorrow. He did nothing to prevent the Koshi lynch. He didn't even move his vote. That's scummy. I realized I'm going to have to break this post up into many parts. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On December 30 2016 04:27 disformation wrote: i hope chez is not a 3p recruiter. xD i think i have 4 ppl left. gb, tt1, df and exo ill go with exo and df next, but need a small break Given what I know about Chez it's a toss up between Recruiter/Survivor/Traitor. Maybe one of his seeds will grow and blossom into the truth. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On December 30 2016 04:40 Tictock wrote: Actually rereading some of these posts I'm not sure how BtDt managed to put some of this stuff together in the short time he was in the game. Like I was around at the same time trying to look at stuff and was much less sure of any of my scum reads at the time. BtDt apparently had no problem skimming a few filters and coming to some hard conclusions in a very short span of time. I think I would shoot BtDt over anyone if I could tonight. Maybe Slam as he still isn't quite playing the game ATM. I guess there isn't a whole lot different between Slam and Chez, but Chez at least seems to have gotten invested in his role so we might be able to read him based on his actions. Well. Think he skimmed like koshi, tt2 and me? Koshi and TT2 didnt have very long filters. On December 30 2016 04:44 Tictock wrote: Given what I know about Chez it's a toss up between Recruiter/Survivor/Traitor. Maybe one of his seeds will grow and blossom into the truth. yup. I am also in Chez's game. =D | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
GB did sheep the main wagon at the very end? On December 29 2016 08:58 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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disformation
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game pauses after EoN? In that case I'll prewrite whatever is left over and post when games resumes. unless i dieded ofc | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
Also, a lot of Disfo's EoD was spent defending LS. When DF asked him to specify which contributions LS had made that Disfo had liked, I think his list was just incredibly bad. On December 29 2016 08:20 disformation wrote: He also had stated that he wasn't interested in lynching Koshi today, and never pushed forward his own alternative. | ||
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