EPTBut I kind of like it because he didn't just pile onto the Lunatic bandwagon to get cheap town points.
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Calix
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But I kind of like it because he didn't just pile onto the Lunatic bandwagon to get cheap town points. | ||
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Jealous
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#1 DYH #2 Scott (thanks for bringing up my vote, filter, and the timing though) #3 Xan/Stutters | ||
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Calix
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On September 26 2016 07:24 Jealous wrote: Nice finds. I am inclined to agree on at least DYH, whereas with Scott I'm not 100% sure but that last sentence is pretty damning. Why would it have been UNSAFE to vote Lunatic? It's not like TL threads close once 50% majority is reached or something. Would be worthwhile to check out the validity of his claim that there were a decent number of votes going elsewhere at the time. Can someone on PC do this for me please? ^^ I agree with most of your other VCA. For Stutters, it's worth mentioning (and please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm working off memory) that it was between him and Luna in terms of who was being pressured so the Luna vote would have been the most sensible from a defensive standpoint as well. A quick look at the voting thread tells me that Lunatic was the leading wagon for all of EOD (tells me that he became the leading wagon 6 hours ago and Scott voted 3 hours ago) Reminds me of those people who claim to scum-read someone but don't vote for some convoluted reason like "I won't vote on principle" or something. (poorly-explained but it's like a rationalisation for bad logic) Wait, wasn't that you who said "the lynch is between Stutters and Lunatic"? Checked his filter and Stutters didn't say much about Lunatic so you have attributed your point to the wrong person, lol. | ||
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Jealous
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On September 26 2016 07:27 Calix wrote: imma look at the votes in more detail tomorrow evening. First, what do people think of Superbia's insistence on voting for Scott? I'm not sure how to interpret that myself - he had to know that Scott was extremely unlikely to be lynched. But I kind of like it because he didn't just pile onto the Lunatic bandwagon to get cheap town points. I don't think it is that substantial. This is where his entry timing is actually relevant, because he didn't go through the thread and watch the Lunatic zeppelin crash and burn in real time, so perhaps he was not as convinced. Perhaps he had a similar idea to Xan but went about it in a way that actually makes sense. I definitely don't think he's scum for it, but I would like to hear his thoughts on the matter because it seems he had reason to suspect Scott and that would be useful to hear about. | ||
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Jealous
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On September 26 2016 07:33 Calix wrote: A quick look at the voting thread tells me that Lunatic was the leading wagon for all of EOD (tells me that he became the leading wagon 6 hours ago and Scott voted 3 hours ago) Reminds me of those people who claim to scum-read someone but don't vote for some convoluted reason like "I won't vote on principle" or something. (poorly-explained but it's like a rationalisation for bad logic) Wait, wasn't that you who said "the lynch is between Stutters and Lunatic"? Checked his filter and Stutters didn't say much about Lunatic so you have attributed your point to the wrong person, lol. If it was me then that explains why I'm remembering it, but I don't think I was alone in suspecting Stutters at the time, so the point still stands. If I said it was between the two of them and he voted for him, that's still a defensive vote even if he didn't mention Lunatic directly. "Rather you than me." | ||
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Calix
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On September 26 2016 07:37 Jealous wrote: If it was me then that explains why I'm remembering it, but I don't think I was alone in suspecting Stutters at the time, so the point still stands. If I said it was between the two of them and he voted for him, that's still a defensive vote even if he didn't mention Lunatic directly. "Rather you than me." This isn't applicable for reasons below but voting for survival is not alignment-indicative. Secondly, this explanation you proposed doesn't make sense because Stutters was one of the last voters on the wagon, long after Stutters was at risk of dying. | ||
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Calix
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Best post in the game, hands down. | ||
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Calix
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On September 26 2016 07:21 Calix wrote: In fact, scum dying Day 1 is extremely informative. It basically tells us that the mafia have to be a bunch of passive fucktards, 100% no quibbling. "But Calix, what if there was some WIFOM9000 bussing plan?" - No. Allow me to explain the logic: - Scum rarely die on Day 1. - Scum do not want to bus their partners on Day 1 because they lose numbers and give town a shitton of information and the only advantage they get is "muh town cred" which means jack shit because they still have to survive for an extra day and town cred doesn't save you in LYLO. - Scum with strong thread presence do not lose their partners on Day 1 because they can divert the lynch onto a townie. - If a scum player dies on Day 1, then the scum cannot have a strong thread presence because otherwise the lynch would have not hit scum. - Therefore the scum must be among the passive lurkers. Like this is fucking airtight logic. | ||
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Calix
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Jealous
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On September 26 2016 07:39 Calix wrote: This isn't applicable for reasons below but voting for survival is not alignment-indicative. Secondly, this explanation you proposed doesn't make sense because Stutters was one of the last voters on the wagon, long after Stutters was at risk of dying. Didn't say it was. I was agreeing with you that his vote did not grant him town points in my book. Oh, I must have misconstrued your first post in this chain. I was under the impression he voted early. Damn phone limitations. | ||
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DoYouHas
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On September 26 2016 07:17 Calix wrote: ^^^^worst votes 2k16 DYH is textbook bussing. The weird-ass sympathy nails it for me. Just no. It is literally the opposite. If I was actually scum this would be how I would hedge on a ML. You don't hedge on a "textbook" bus. If I had ignored Luna up until this post then maybe, maybe you would have a point. But I didn't. I had already engaged the topic with Jealous last night. I had already put him in my lynch list today. I have no reason to weaken my stance on Luna that fits a mafia motivation. | ||
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DoYouHas
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Mafia Jealous Town Rels SEQ Calix Stutters Skynx Probably Town Xata Looking better post-flip Dane Unsure Scott Superbia ptmc Dane(again) | ||
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Jealous
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On September 26 2016 10:52 DoYouHas wrote: Sure, let me throw together the quick and dirty version before I run off to sleep. (quick by my standards, which is still probably slow) Thanks  | ||
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DoYouHas
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For everything I don't like about you and think makes you scum: Your early fluff, non-committal, over-defensiveness, appeals to your noobieness, misrepresenting me, buddying Calix, looking at the proposal of multiple wagons from a mafia perspective instead of a town one (looking at it as a trap to be avoided instead of as an opportunity for better VCA) I can't seem to find the mafia actions in your play around the lynch. If I'm having trouble convincing myself of probably the most important part when I undoubtedly have my confirmation bias glasses on it probably isn't there. I was seeing your tonal shifts from casually attacking Luna to guarded consideration then back to casual attacking as very odd. But the thing I can't figure out if you are scum is why you would leave your vote on Luna and not Stutters before the wagon on Luna got rolling. This post: On September 25 2016 17:17 Jealous wrote: I have to agree with Calix on the more anti-town part. [B]## Lunaticman[b] just in case I don't make it back. It doesn't fit or is significantly more clever than I am. Damn, damn, damn. I hate having no scum reads. I really do need to get to bed though. See you all with the daypost. | ||
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scott31337
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On September 26 2016 11:56 DoYouHas wrote: GRAH, I CAN'T MAKE IT STICK For everything I don't like about you and think makes you scum: Your early fluff, non-committal, over-defensiveness, appeals to your noobieness, misrepresenting me, buddying Calix, looking at the proposal of multiple wagons from a mafia perspective instead of a town one (looking at it as a trap to be avoided instead of as an opportunity for better VCA) I can't seem to find the mafia actions in your play around the lynch. If I'm having trouble convincing myself of probably the most important part when I undoubtedly have my confirmation bias glasses on it probably isn't there. I was seeing your tonal shifts from casually attacking Luna to guarded consideration then back to casual attacking as very odd. But the thing I can't figure out if you are scum is why you would leave your vote on Luna and not Stutters before the wagon on Luna got rolling. This post: It doesn't fit or is significantly more clever than I am. Damn, damn, damn. I hate having no scum reads. I really do need to get to bed though. See you all with the daypost. Insightful | ||
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