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Xatalos
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Jealous
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ptmc
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Calix
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On September 26 2016 06:57 Jealous wrote: I feel like you might be tunneled on this self-centered sticking point but I don't feel it's quite fair. I might be digging myself an even deeper hole by pursuing this line of discussion but I think it must be addressed. I come back from a long period of inactivity to find that nearly every poster is saying that they are liking me less/scum leaning me. I get asked for my thoughts on the thread by Scott so I address all the points I found pertinent, which obviously included me since nearly everyone has mentioned my name in my absence. So, in order to respond to the people whose mentioning of me stuck out, I am forced to talk about myself and come to my own defense multiple times. It's simply logical, in my opinion. I feel like you only looked at the surface (amount of times I refer to myself) and not the underlying reasons. I'd rather not have something else added to the list of things people are scum leaning me for. Anyway, I think that about covers that issue. Last line of the second paragraph, I'll rephrase. If I had more time and it wasn't such a pain, I would have brought up the list in a quote or in another page on my phone browser, and addressed the reasons why I didn't like his list more directly. However, because time was short, I didn't. Running out of time now, third point will have to wait. You must have a weird definition of tunneling because I have only said that I think it's a valid point twice. It's not just the fact that you mentioned yourself a lot by itself. It's the fact that your post focused a lot more on yourself for almost all of your reads (or initial impressions or whatnot as they're similar to that last-game post) compared to anything else that struck me as funny, you know what I mean? But that isn't really a point that you can answer anymore than you already have so you'll be better off doing something else. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Hmmmm | ||
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DoYouHas
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Calix
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Rels
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Xatalos
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I guess Stutters and Skynx look a bit better after the flip... Maybe DanelerH too. Hmmm... Lunatic didn't do too much though, so it's not too hard to fake what little he did... But at least I kind of doubt he would immediately claim his teammate as an "obvious townie"... | ||
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Xatalos
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Calix
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Lemme find some of the vote posts now. | ||
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ptmc
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On September 26 2016 07:07 Xatalos wrote: I guess Stutters and Skynx look a bit better after the flip... Maybe DanelerH too. Hmmm... Lunatic didn't do too much though, so it's not too hard to fake what little he did... But at least I kind of doubt he would immediately claim his teammate as an "obvious townie"... Normally I would agree on stutters. But this play by lunatic was so beyond anything I would think smart, that a special look at stutters should be warranted. | ||
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ptmc
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scott31337
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On September 25 2016 17:17 Jealous wrote: ## Lunaticman This was 13 hours ago, and would've been after Calix's vote if it was done properly. His whole filter is basically pushing Luna after the anti-town post. | ||
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Jealous
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On September 26 2016 06:48 Calix wrote: What's artificial about considering other lynch options? I didn't notice anything unusual with that. (it makes for better VCA after all) It's exactly the fact that he wasn't considering other options. I believe you even commented on that. He more or less said "lets take a bunch of votes off Lunaticman and see what happens!" There is no way you could get any meaningful VCA from that; he said that it wasn't a trap but it was meant to confuse mafia, which doesn't make sense to me either as that to me would be one and the same. (@Xan I will address your reply to me on the previous page here because phone sucks). What I think is more likely is it would confuse town if any weight was given as to who moved where (and if no one would put any weight on it, why do it? How would VCA work??). I refuse to believe that he didn't think of that. | ||
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Calix
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On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote: Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him. On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote: ##Vote: Luna Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum. ^^^^worst votes 2k16 DYH is textbook bussing. The weird-ass sympathy nails it for me. Scott's awkward read-hopping looks even worse given that he was low-key defending Lunatic (nobody's contesting his wagon post) before he voted him for some lukewarm reasoning. Stutters was a "voting so I don't forget" vote and ptmc voted near the very end so that looks like a "vote because it's mandatory" deal, Jealous voted because he agreed with my "Lunatic is more anti-town than the other wagons" argument. Xatalos/ SEQ voted early on so they are extremely unlikely to be scum for that. Could have easily tried to have made a push on one of the other wagons given that both have some thread presence. | ||
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Calix
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"But Calix, what if there was some WIFOM9000 bussing plan?" - No. Allow me to explain the logic: - Scum rarely die on Day 1. - Scum do not want to bus their partners on Day 1 because they lose numbers and give town a shitton of information and the only advantage they get is "muh town cred" which means jack shit because they still have to survive for an extra day and town cred doesn't save you in LYLO. - Scum with strong thread presence do not lose their partners on Day 1 because they can divert the lynch onto a townie. - If a scum player dies on Day 1, then the scum cannot have a strong thread presence because otherwise the lynch would have not hit scum. - Therefore the scum must be among the passive lurkers. Like this is fucking airtight logic. | ||
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Jealous
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On September 26 2016 07:17 Calix wrote: ^^^^worst votes 2k16 DYH is textbook bussing. The weird-ass sympathy nails it for me. Scott's awkward read-hopping looks even worse given that he was low-key defending Lunatic (nobody's contesting his wagon post) before he voted him for some lukewarm reasoning. Stutters was a "voting so I don't forget" vote and ptmc voted near the very end so that looks like a "vote because it's mandatory" deal, Jealous voted because he agreed with my "Lunatic is more anti-town than the other wagons" argument. Xatalos/ SEQ voted early on so they are extremely unlikely to be scum for that. Could have easily tried to have made a push on one of the other wagons given that both have some thread presence. Nice finds. I am inclined to agree on at least DYH, whereas with Scott I'm not 100% sure but that last sentence is pretty damning. Why would it have been UNSAFE to vote Lunatic? It's not like TL threads close once 50% majority is reached or something. Would be worthwhile to check out the validity of his claim that there were a decent number of votes going elsewhere at the time. Can someone on PC do this for me please? ^^ I agree with most of your other VCA. For Stutters, it's worth mentioning (and please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm working off memory) that it was between him and Luna in terms of who was being pressured so the Luna vote would have been the most sensible from a defensive standpoint as well. | ||
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