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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 26 2016 09:31 GMT
#681
On September 26 2016 18:29 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 18:19 ptmc wrote:
In my mind, there is a 50/50 on wether stutters is scum purely based on lunatics play. Stutters drops a lot of fluff into the thread, then disappears to the bar. He gets some flak for it and slight scum leans by at least Calix.

Case a) Lunatic sees his scum buddy taking weak hits and wants to push him into a town pile

Case b) Lunatic wants to town read someone so that he himself is townread

Does anyone see other possible causes for Lunatics action?
Because to me, case b) makes little sense. Case a) would make Stutters scum.

Scum very rarely hard townread their teammates, especially when the teammate in question is scumread by some people, like it was the case. Stutters is like 99% town.


lol, yeah... Maybe not 99%, but likely.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 10:23 GMT
#682
So it was just a weird play from start to finish? I guess i can live with that for now, still checking stutters filter tho.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2016 10:40 GMT
#683
I would read stutters independently. It could be a tmi read or it could be defending a team mate. Take the wine for what it is.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2016 10:41 GMT
#684
You can read how stutters approaches luna but would not recommend vice-versa.
Minimal effort.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 10:45 GMT
#685
so, my case so far against stutters:

At least Jealous and Calix have stutters as a lynch target pre flip, SEQ (and myself) even voted for him, so he definitely did not seem too towny even without Lunatics help. Since then he has barely posted anything. One slight town vibe could come from this:
On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch

but at the same time it is so heavily non-commited. It was however fairly early in the Luna-train, so maybe too early for a bus?

We have Rels giving Stutters a slight town lean because of his relaxed posts, but i get more of a nervous and fluffy feel from them.

Xat summarises like this:
On September 26 2016 02:58 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. Well, it's not like DYH/scott/Stutters did anything scummy scummy which is always a plus.

But i don't see how it is a plus. A plus is doing towny things, not doing anything is at least anti-town, at most scum.

Here then is Stutters actual vote post:
On September 26 2016 05:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Voting so I don't forget while I'm at work.

Vote: Luna

Very late to the party (but that could be due to basically no activity), and no reasoning, but the train was running to hard to maybe really require one anyhow.

I'm not sold that Stutters looks better post flip, like Rels and Xat suggest, purely because Lunatics town read made no sense so far, so why should it start now?

On September 26 2016 10:32 DoYouHas wrote:
Ok, here is where I'm at for the night


Mafia
Jealous

Town
Rels
SEQ
Calix
Stutters
Skynx

Probably Town
Xata

Looking better post-flip
Dane

Unsure
Scott
Superbia
ptmc
Dane(again)



DYH, why do you hard town-read stutters?

On September 26 2016 12:34 scott31337 wrote:
SEQ moves up for being the first on the Luna train and not swaying.
Xatalos and Jealous as well.

90%+ Town:
SEQ
Calix
Rels
Jealous


Town lean (in order)
Skynx
Stutters
Xatalos
DanelerH
ptmc


My instincts tell me I think one of the scums is probably hiding in the town lean list though.

Scumlean:
DYH - I like some of Skynx's posts on him - and his vote reasoning looks really bad once I've re-read it as well.

Superbia - I'm not a fan of how he wanted to go after me - the reasoning was weak, many others did not agree and I know i'm town (OMGUS?)


Scott, why do you lean town on stutters?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 10:46 GMT
#686
On September 26 2016 19:40 Superbia wrote:
I would read stutters independently. It could be a tmi read or it could be defending a team mate. Take the wine for what it is.


I believe i did just that at the start of the post.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2016 10:49 GMT
#687
On September 26 2016 19:46 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 19:40 Superbia wrote:
I would read stutters independently. It could be a tmi read or it could be defending a team mate. Take the wine for what it is.


I believe i did just that at the start of the post.


That's cool? It was just a tip in general since people seemed to quote the "Luna reads stutters town" post.
Minimal effort.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 10:52 GMT
#688
On September 26 2016 19:49 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 19:46 ptmc wrote:
On September 26 2016 19:40 Superbia wrote:
I would read stutters independently. It could be a tmi read or it could be defending a team mate. Take the wine for what it is.


I believe i did just that at the start of the post.


That's cool? It was just a tip in general since people seemed to quote the "Luna reads stutters town" post.


I didn't intend it to sound aggressive, sorry Just pointing out that i read stutters posts with a pretty neutral mindset and found nothing towny in them.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 10:53 GMT
#689
Even further along that line, i take it that you don't see stutters as more towny post-flip?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2016 11:17 GMT
#690
On September 26 2016 19:53 ptmc wrote:
Even further along that line, i take it that you don't see stutters as more towny post-flip?


Who me? Sort of more townie because Luna sounded like more of a TMI read (so much for following my own advice rofl).. But no real idea. I'm going to be lazy until I am needed. I think town is doing fine for now.
Minimal effort.
DanelerH
Profile Joined August 2016
96 Posts
September 26 2016 13:50 GMT
#691
Rather than looking at Stutters individually, it may be best to look at the interactions xe had with Luna. In total, we have four posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?

I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.

I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own.


On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.

I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.

Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.


On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch


On September 26 2016 05:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Voting so I don't forget while I'm at work.

Vote: Luna



Out of all of these, the first post is the most interesting. It occured at some point after the blue "reveal." More specifically, however, it was posted directly after Luna claimed being pressured into revealing. It seems to be a slight defense of Luna, while simultaneously deflecting attention to someone else. What's even more interesting is the first sentence: "Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?" I looked back at Luna's filter, but I couldn't find an instance of Luna referring to Stutter's quote. This appears to have been brought up earlier by Scott: + Show Spoiler +

On September 25 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 13:43 Jealous wrote:
Anyhow, right now the vote for me us between Lunatic and Stutters. It would be great if we can hear some analysis from these players of the same nature as SEQ above. This will help me decide which to vote for and to then post-humously analyze associations.


So I've read Jealous's filter and this is the most informative post in his whole filter. Still not a big fan of you though.

So let me read Luna's and Stutter's filters. I've observed a lot more Stutters games than Luna's (although there have been a couple)

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 15:19 Lunaticman wrote:
Hello my name is Lunatic and I have an addiction problem. I play to much mafia.

If you have have any advice for me please call me at1-999-MAFIAADDICT or leave a message at killstomanybadguys15@gmail.com

Also good morning everyone.

Also last post ftw! Obvious townie points!


Not a big fan of this opening - looks like tryhard.

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


Need to see why he thinks Stutters is such obv town. Hmm

Then the bad blue role post.

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 07:50 Lunaticman wrote:
You clearly didnt read the whole thing ptmc because I got pressured into saying Stutters was a blue read by rels and Da.

They called me scum for it and I saw no positive outcome in hiding the information since he could br killed by being a townread player anyway. No matter how you spin it you can make anyone look scummy.

Im going to sleep now and Im putting my vote on Da so I dont miss it.


Well I liked Rels's posts so far - so hmmm

Verdict: Could lynch

Stutters -

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^


Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.

Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this


Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?

I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.

I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own.


Okay - I've re-read this thought about three times - and I think I get it.
The thing I do like about it is Stutters believes in his find of lack of reading. I don't think he'd be so daring as mafia.
The thing is - I don't see where Luna quoted it though. :/



Verdict: Wouldn't lynch today



Stutter's responded to this with: + Show Spoiler +

On September 25 2016 16:24 Stutters695 wrote:
He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good. What are your thoughts on SEQ?



In this, Stutters once again deflects the questioning back to SoulEaaterQUEEN, but let's ignore that for a moment and focus the first part: "He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good." The thing is, Luna didn't say that, either. That makes two instances of defending Luna, while deflecting the question at someone else, specifically SEQ.

Now let's look at the third quote: "drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch." Prior to this, there was nothing about wanting to lynch Luna. Around that time, xe was still after SEQ. Before you say that xe was feeling better about SEQ, that's impossible at this time, as SEQ was still catching up. Take a look at the timestamps: + Show Spoiler +

On September 25 2016 11:52 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 15:51 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 14:02 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I liked that last bit you wrote in the post. I feel the same way but I tend to be impulsive and pressurize my way into getting reads as a natural reaction when I begin playing through RVS which has lead to some results in getting activity in the game which is nice. I still have yet to see the point in the RVS in general but noticed the lack of presence of it so far here. Would like to hear the views of how you perceive RVS/what kinds of points given. This may not lead to alignment indicative posts, but gives me an understanding of where people's heads are at this point in the game.

That being said, I like how confident tone in that post, it could be from a very well seasoned player, but normally see caution amongst scum at the beginning, so I am definitely light town reading Jealous based on the #233, I also like how there is consistency on the behaviour reasoning for the post I questioned which again feels like they are not frabricating a reasoning.
Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt.

I don't believe in RVS for much the same reasons that I listed for reads. I will rarely if ever trust a player that votes and un-votes and re-votes multiple times per lynch cycle. Decisions like that need to be done with a firm hand, and not frivolously. Too many people playing silly pressure games can result in a ML. Mafia is a game of psychology, and voting creates social pressure on parties that may otherwise be more objective and thus could contribute to the discussion/analysis and not simply sheep or jump on a train. Not sure what you mean by the bolded above.

I'm in this as a newbie so I'm definitely not a well-seasoned player ^^ Thank you, but don't suck up to me just yet, I tend to be wrong a lot, unfortunately.

On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^


Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.

Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this


I would appreciate some elaboration on this.

Alright playing the catch up game~ my activity in this game has been shitty.
What exactly do you mean by a "silly pressure game"? You are agreement that we need to put pressure with votes to gain info though right? otherwise I am not understanding your thought process...
Not suck up, but rather don't want to underestimate your abilities.
Bolded refers to what kinds of conclusions can you arrive with at this - yet to know the answer to this.


On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch



At this time, SEQ hadn't made any posts to make Stutters feel better, so the sudden change in votes is very odd. Afterwards, there was no mention of Luna until the vote (quote 4). Overall, I believe these point towards Stutters being aligned with Luna and we should make Stutters our Day 2 lynch.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 14:09 GMT
#692
On September 26 2016 22:50 DanelerH wrote:
Rather than looking at Stutters individually, it may be best to look at the interactions xe had with Luna. In total, we have four posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?

I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.

I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own.


On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.

I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.

Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.


On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch


On September 26 2016 05:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Voting so I don't forget while I'm at work.

Vote: Luna



Out of all of these, the first post is the most interesting. It occured at some point after the blue "reveal." More specifically, however, it was posted directly after Luna claimed being pressured into revealing. It seems to be a slight defense of Luna, while simultaneously deflecting attention to someone else. What's even more interesting is the first sentence: "Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?" I looked back at Luna's filter, but I couldn't find an instance of Luna referring to Stutter's quote. This appears to have been brought up earlier by Scott: + Show Spoiler +

On September 25 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 13:43 Jealous wrote:
Anyhow, right now the vote for me us between Lunatic and Stutters. It would be great if we can hear some analysis from these players of the same nature as SEQ above. This will help me decide which to vote for and to then post-humously analyze associations.


So I've read Jealous's filter and this is the most informative post in his whole filter. Still not a big fan of you though.

So let me read Luna's and Stutter's filters. I've observed a lot more Stutters games than Luna's (although there have been a couple)

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 15:19 Lunaticman wrote:
Hello my name is Lunatic and I have an addiction problem. I play to much mafia.

If you have have any advice for me please call me at1-999-MAFIAADDICT or leave a message at killstomanybadguys15@gmail.com

Also good morning everyone.

Also last post ftw! Obvious townie points!


Not a big fan of this opening - looks like tryhard.

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


Need to see why he thinks Stutters is such obv town. Hmm

Then the bad blue role post.

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 07:50 Lunaticman wrote:
You clearly didnt read the whole thing ptmc because I got pressured into saying Stutters was a blue read by rels and Da.

They called me scum for it and I saw no positive outcome in hiding the information since he could br killed by being a townread player anyway. No matter how you spin it you can make anyone look scummy.

Im going to sleep now and Im putting my vote on Da so I dont miss it.


Well I liked Rels's posts so far - so hmmm

Verdict: Could lynch

Stutters -

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^


Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.

Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this


Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?

I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.

I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own.


Okay - I've re-read this thought about three times - and I think I get it.
The thing I do like about it is Stutters believes in his find of lack of reading. I don't think he'd be so daring as mafia.
The thing is - I don't see where Luna quoted it though. :/



Verdict: Wouldn't lynch today



Stutter's responded to this with: + Show Spoiler +

On September 25 2016 16:24 Stutters695 wrote:
He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good. What are your thoughts on SEQ?



In this, Stutters once again deflects the questioning back to SoulEaaterQUEEN, but let's ignore that for a moment and focus the first part: "He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good." The thing is, Luna didn't say that, either. That makes two instances of defending Luna, while deflecting the question at someone else, specifically SEQ.

Now let's look at the third quote: "drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch." Prior to this, there was nothing about wanting to lynch Luna. Around that time, xe was still after SEQ. Before you say that xe was feeling better about SEQ, that's impossible at this time, as SEQ was still catching up. Take a look at the timestamps: + Show Spoiler +

On September 25 2016 11:52 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 15:51 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 14:02 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I liked that last bit you wrote in the post. I feel the same way but I tend to be impulsive and pressurize my way into getting reads as a natural reaction when I begin playing through RVS which has lead to some results in getting activity in the game which is nice. I still have yet to see the point in the RVS in general but noticed the lack of presence of it so far here. Would like to hear the views of how you perceive RVS/what kinds of points given. This may not lead to alignment indicative posts, but gives me an understanding of where people's heads are at this point in the game.

That being said, I like how confident tone in that post, it could be from a very well seasoned player, but normally see caution amongst scum at the beginning, so I am definitely light town reading Jealous based on the #233, I also like how there is consistency on the behaviour reasoning for the post I questioned which again feels like they are not frabricating a reasoning.
Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt.

I don't believe in RVS for much the same reasons that I listed for reads. I will rarely if ever trust a player that votes and un-votes and re-votes multiple times per lynch cycle. Decisions like that need to be done with a firm hand, and not frivolously. Too many people playing silly pressure games can result in a ML. Mafia is a game of psychology, and voting creates social pressure on parties that may otherwise be more objective and thus could contribute to the discussion/analysis and not simply sheep or jump on a train. Not sure what you mean by the bolded above.

I'm in this as a newbie so I'm definitely not a well-seasoned player ^^ Thank you, but don't suck up to me just yet, I tend to be wrong a lot, unfortunately.

On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^


Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.

Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this


I would appreciate some elaboration on this.

Alright playing the catch up game~ my activity in this game has been shitty.
What exactly do you mean by a "silly pressure game"? You are agreement that we need to put pressure with votes to gain info though right? otherwise I am not understanding your thought process...
Not suck up, but rather don't want to underestimate your abilities.
Bolded refers to what kinds of conclusions can you arrive with at this - yet to know the answer to this.


On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch



At this time, SEQ hadn't made any posts to make Stutters feel better, so the sudden change in votes is very odd. Afterwards, there was no mention of Luna until the vote (quote 4). Overall, I believe these point towards Stutters being aligned with Luna and we should make Stutters our Day 2 lynch.


Yep, i agree with this 100 %. The third mafia imo is scott, massive wall of text incoming.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2016 14:11 GMT
#693
Boy I do hope scum doesn't figure out I'm a PR.
Minimal effort.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 26 2016 14:47 GMT
#694
Just woke up. You guys aren't lynching me d2 lol.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 14:47 GMT
#695
I went through the Lunatic trainwreck again and tried to objectively sum up what happend chronologically, open for "unbiased" read:

+ Show Spoiler +
Skynx calls Lunatics intro bad
Lunatic calls Stutters "so far the most obvious townie"
Already in the next post (1 hour later) Calix calls out Lunatic for his town-read
Skynx does not pick up on the read however, even though he quotes the post
Lunatic repeats his claim against Calix' push, but without any actual content
ptmc scum leans Lunatic for his town read
Rels wants Lunatic to explain his town read, but also likes Stutters for "weak reasons"
Lunatic doesn't want to explain his reasoning day 1
Rels is fine with leaving it at that, gives Lunatic a scum lean for it though
This triggers a short discussion between the two, not really yielding anything new
DanelerH pushes Stutters, gets called out by Xatalos
Xatalos town reads Stutters because he "gathers too much attention"
Rels agrees on Xatalos' push on DanelerH
Xatalos disregards Lunaticmans town read, Post 270: "Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters" (Their being Lunatic and Jealous)
DanelerH pushes Lunatic to give his reasons for the town read, does not accept "I'll tell you later"
Lunatic now calls Stutters a blue role, and says that "if he dies it is on you [DanelerH] and Rels"
Jealous thinks both Stutters and Lunatic are "dodgy"
DanelerH keeps on pushing Lunatic
Xatalos wants to "focus on more helpful topics" instead of elaborating Lunaticmans town read.
Xatalos then calls out DanelerH for his push on Lunatic
Rels asks Lunatic why he thinks Stutters is a blue role, since blue roles and scum can be hard to differentiate
Xatalos again wants to stop the discussion since blue roles are involved
DanelerH doubts the blue role claim, thinks Lunaticman is faking it to not have to give a reason for the town read
Rels agrees
Xatalos reacts with
On September 25 2016 01:47 Xatalos wrote:
I guess that's a possibility. Well, let's see.

Lunatic tries to explain his town read/blue role read with meta, and stutters high activity. "Of course he has a power role". He is surprised that it escalated.
Xatalos again says he is unsure that we should discuss the topic further, but would be fine with an elaboration on the meta-read part
Skynx accuses DanelerH of tunneling on Lunatic
Scott scumreads DanelerH, while completely ignoring Lunatic
Skynx now asks about Lunatics town read
ptmc continues his push on Lunatic, and agrees on DanelerH's assumption on the blue role claim
Xatalos explains his reasoning on his scumlean on DanelerH, says that he throws more weak suspicion on a very easy target without committing, and that he dislikes discussing blue roles D1
Skynx calls DanelerH's reasoning for his Lunatic push "absurd"
Xatalos says that there hasn't been much meat to DanelerH's suspicions, but says that him committing to the Lunatic push might become interesting
ptmc calls out Skynx's attack on DanelerH
Xatalos says that there are people that have the gift of immediately noticing if someone has a BPR, and that we should stop elaborating on it in the thread
After a short discussion, where I give my reasons why I think a push on Lunatic is a good thing,
Xatalos says that he maybe was too tunneled on DanelerH, agrees that Lunatics tr was odd and that he would like to see a reason for it
Lunatic calls me out because ptmc "missed" how Rels and DanelerH pushed him to say Stutters is a blue
Stutters shows up, tries to focus on SEQ. "No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own"
DYH shows up, no comment on Lunatic at all, wants thoughts on me for thoughts on SEQ
Jealous shows up, calls out Lunatic for "retarded" anti town post
DYH reacts to Jealous' push on Lunatic, asking if he thinks it is bad play or scum
Jealous thinks it is almost too blatant to be scum
DYH wants to know if Jealous would lynch for it
Discussion between DYH and Stutters about other people
Jealous does not feel like his scum read is strong enough to warrant a vote, wants to hear other peoples opinion first
SEQ shows up, wants lunatic to elaborate on his town read and thinks that DanelerH tunnels too hard on him.
Still ends up with a scum lean on only Lunatic.

SEQ is now the first vote on Lunatic

Jealous says his vote is between Lunatic and Stutters
Scott returns, quotes Lunatics posts that were written well before scott went away. Now he says that he could lynch for them. Reassesses Stutters as well, arrives at "Wouldn't lynch today"
Scott is worried that noone town reads or defends Lunatic
Stutters again asks about SEQ
Calix reappears, calls out Lunatic for his aggressive reactions, but thinks he is more anti-town than pro-scum
Calix also calls out DanelerH for his weak case
Calix is sceptical of a correct lynch between DanelerH and Lunatic
Jealous agrees on the "more anti town part" but sticks his vote on lunatic anyway

This vote was only posted in the discussion thread, not in the voting thread btw.

Calix reevaluates her Lunatic case, finds it a better lynch, votes on him
Lunatic shows up with another weak defense (there never is a mafia lynch day 1)
Scott has SEQ at just under null, asks Lunatic who he wants to lynch
Xatalos has Lunatic as a lynch candidate
Lunatic fluffs some more
Xatalos and Jealous call him out for it, Xatalos votes Lunatic
Rels returns, still pushes Lunatic for his tr
Skynx feels like Lunatic is just misinformed town
Xatalos questions this logic
Rels votes Lunatic
Skynx claims little time to play, feels like DYH is the best lynch and votes him
Superbia thinks his presence might not be needed after realizing lunatic is being lynched
DYH says DanelerH's tunnle onto Luna is contrived, Luna has made an anti town play and shut down, it feels like DYH doesn't like the lynch
DYH thinks that Luna and Dane are not scum together, but either of them could be scum
Rels doesn't agree with Skynx' assessment of DYH
Superbia wants to kill scott, but thinks Lunatic is a fine lynch as well
DYH votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna

Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.

Next post, scott votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him.

Rels and Stutters ask superbia why he dislikes scott
DanelerH now votes Lunatic with a reads list post
Calix doesn't like the new additions to the train on Lunatic
Rels dislikes DanelerH's reads list (most boring ever)
Xatalos also asks why superbia dislikes scott
Superbia doesn't like his two scumreads with no followup and his forced vote on luna
A lot of discussion happens, that is not relevant to this train (imo)
ptmc returns and moves his vote from stutters to lunatic
Stutters votes Lunatic so he doesn't forget while at work



And my comments for it, marked in red stuff i think is scummy, in green things i think is towny (obviously in the light of the successful lynch) with some comments centered where i needed to say some more

+ Show Spoiler +
Skynx calls Lunatics intro bad
Lunatic calls Stutters "so far the most obvious townie"
Already in the next post (1 hour later) Calix calls out Lunatic for his town-read
Skynx does not pick up on the read however, even though he quotes the post

this is maybe not red, but at least weird


Lunatic repeats his claim against Calix' push, but without any actual content
ptmc scum leans Lunatic for his town read
Rels wants Lunatic to explain his town read, but also likes Stutters for "weak reasons"
Lunatic doesn't want to explain his reasoning day 1
Rels is fine with leaving it at that, gives Lunatic a scum lean for it though
This triggers a short discussion between the two, not really yielding anything new
DanelerH pushes Stutters, gets called out by Xatalos
Xatalos town reads Stutters because he "gathers too much attention"
Rels agrees on Xatalos' push on DanelerH
Xatalos disregards Lunaticmans town read, Post 270: "Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters" (Their being Lunatic and Jealous)

again, at least weird, since it had obviously already sparked discussion


DanelerH pushes Lunatic to give his reasons for the town read, does not accept "I'll tell you later"
Lunatic now calls Stutters a blue role, and says that "if he dies it is on you [DanelerH] and Rels"
Jealous thinks both Stutters and Lunatic are "dodgy"
DanelerH keeps on pushing Lunatic
Xatalos wants to "focus on more helpful topics" instead of elaborating Lunaticmans town read.
Xatalos then calls out DanelerH for his push on Lunatic


I guess this is Lunatics blue role claim on stutters working out as intended?


Rels asks Lunatic why he thinks Stutters is a blue role, since blue roles and scum can be hard to differentiate
Xatalos again wants to stop the discussion since blue roles are involved
DanelerH doubts the blue role claim, thinks Lunaticman is faking it to not have to give a reason for the town read
Rels agrees

Xatalos reacts with
On September 25 2016 01:47 Xatalos wrote:
I guess that's a possibility. Well, let's see.

Lunatic tries to explain his town read/blue role read with meta, and stutters high activity. "Of course he has a power role". He is surprised that it escalated.
Xatalos again says he is unsure that we should discuss the topic further, but would be fine with an elaboration on the meta-read part
Skynx accuses DanelerH of tunneling on Lunatic
Scott scumreads DanelerH, while completely ignoring Lunatic

Skynx now asks about Lunatics town read
ptmc continues his push on Lunatic, and agrees on DanelerH's assumption on the blue role claim
Xatalos explains his reasoning on his scumlean on DanelerH, says that he throws more weak suspicion on a very easy target without committing, and that he dislikes discussing blue roles D1
Skynx calls DanelerH's reasoning for his Lunatic push "absurd"
Xatalos says that there hasn't been much meat to DanelerH's suspicions, but says that him committing to the Lunatic push might become interesting
ptmc calls out Skynx's attack on DanelerH
Xatalos says that there are people that have the gift of immediately noticing if someone has a BPR, and that we should stop elaborating on it in the thread
After a short discussion, where ptmc gives his reasons why he thinks a push on Lunatic is a good thing,
Xatalos says that he maybe was too tunneled on DanelerH, agrees that Lunatics tr was odd and that he would like to see a reason for it
Lunatic calls ptmc out because he "missed" how Rels and DanelerH pushed him to say Stutters is a blue
Stutters shows up, tries to focus on SEQ. "No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own"
DYH shows up, no comment on Lunatic at all, wants thoughts on me for thoughts on SEQ

Jealous shows up, calls out Lunatic for "retarded" anti town post
DYH reacts to Jealous' push on Lunatic, asking if he thinks it is bad play or scum
Jealous thinks it is almost too blatant to be scum
DYH wants to know if Jealous would lynch for it

Mafia feeling out the waters if it is bussing time?


Discussion between DYH and Stutters about other people
Jealous does not feel like his scum read is strong enough to warrant a vote, wants to hear other peoples opinion first
SEQ shows up, wants lunatic to elaborate on his town read and thinks that DanelerH tunnels too hard on him.
Still ends up with a scum lean on only Lunatic.

SEQ is now the first vote on Lunatic

Jealous says his vote is between Lunatic and Stutters
Scott returns, quotes Lunatics posts that were written well before scott went away. Now he says that he could lynch for them. Reassesses Stutters as well, arrives at "Wouldn't lynch today"

This looks so much like bussing, especially with him ignoring those posts previously


Scott is worried that noone town reads or defends Lunatic
Stutters again asks about SEQ

still no word on lunatic except the earlier "no comment"


Calix reappears, calls out Lunatic for his aggressive reactions, but thinks he is more anti-town than pro-scum
Calix also calls out DanelerH for his weak case
Calix is sceptical of a correct lynch between DanelerH and Lunatic
Jealous agrees on the "more anti town part" but sticks his vote on lunatic anyway

This vote was only posted in the discussion thread, not in the voting thread btw.

Calix reevaluates her Lunatic case, finds it a better lynch, votes on him
Lunatic shows up with another weak defense (there never is a mafia lynch day 1)
Scott has SEQ at just under null, asks Lunatic who he wants to lynch

Xatalos has Lunatic as a lynch candidate

Lunatic fluffs some more
Xatalos and Jealous call him out for it, Xatalos votes Lunatic
Rels returns, still pushes Lunatic for his tr
Skynx feels like Lunatic is just misinformed town
Xatalos questions this logic
Rels votes Lunatic
Skynx claims little time to play, feels like DYH is the best lynch and votes him
Superbia thinks his presence might not be needed after realizing lunatic is being lynched
DYH says DanelerH's tunnle onto Luna is contrived, Luna has made an anti town play and shut down, it feels like DYH doesn't like the lynch
DYH thinks that Luna and Dane are not scum together, but either of them could be scum
Rels doesn't agree with Skynx' assessment of DYH
Superbia wants to kill scott, but thinks Lunatic is a fine lynch as well
DYH votes Lunatic

i will not give green "points" from here on for voting lunatic, since the train has reached critical mass already


On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna

Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.

Next post, scott votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him.



Rels and Stutters ask superbia why he dislikes scott
DanelerH now votes Lunatic with a reads list post
Calix doesn't like the new additions to the train on Lunatic
Rels dislikes DanelerH's reads list (most boring ever)
Xatalos also asks why superbia dislikes scott
Superbia doesn't like scotts two scumreads with no followup and his forced vote on luna
A lot of discussion happens, that is not relevant to this train (imo)
ptmc returns and moves his vote from stutters to lunatic
Stutters votes Lunatic so he doesn't forget while at work


Take home message says scott had access to very bad posts by Lunatic way before he goes afk, but choses to ignore them. Only when the train has become unstoppable for mafia he "revisits" them and now they are strong enough to lynch for.

Other reads from the Lunaticman-Lynch:
solid town:
DanelerH
Calix

town lean:
Jealous
Rels
SEQ
superbia (for actually noticing scott)

inconsistent:
Xatalos
Skynx

scum leans (lynch all day err'day)
Scott, stutters, dyh
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 14:47 GMT
#696
On September 26 2016 23:47 Stutters695 wrote:
Just woke up. You guys aren't lynching me d2 lol.

why not?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2016 14:49 GMT
#697
On September 26 2016 23:47 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:47 Stutters695 wrote:
Just woke up. You guys aren't lynching me d2 lol.

why not?


Should just lynch scott instead.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2016 14:53 GMT
#698
I did the math and we should kill scott and giacomo (dyh).

Alternatively there could also be a mafia between Xat or Rels.
Minimal effort.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 26 2016 14:53 GMT
#699
On September 26 2016 23:47 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:47 Stutters695 wrote:
Just woke up. You guys aren't lynching me d2 lol.

why not?


1) I'm town

2) if I was scum and Luna said that, I would have slapped some rockets on and bussed him straight to the moon.

3) I don't get mislynched unless I'm straight afk essentially.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2016 14:53 GMT
#700
Wake me up when we've won or the game becomes interesting.
Minimal effort.
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