On July 09 2016 10:08 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: shape if you have fun playing a certain way you should definitely play that way, regardless of what other people think of it.
It isn't so much that I don't have fun playing like i did in Brav or even in Name, in fact, I did really enjoy myself. I just fear I am showing too much of my hand/capabilities.
It is like Dark in sc2. Look at him earlier this year, his Ling-bane play-style caught almost all the toss players in a pickle, now, he is scouted out, and that build has a counter too it. He is losing to tosses in SPL, and his top zerg Korean status is in question.
Basically, in a nutshell, I am showing too much skin + (mild) trolling is pretty fun to do anyways. Not that I am going to do it, it really depends on my mood at the beginning of this game, if I stay in.
On July 10 2016 05:50 Damdred wrote: I think its pretty fun to push your town game up high as you can and try your damndest to get your scum game to mirror it.
Of course you will have off town games or lower activity town games that make it somewhat easier to fake as scum. Real life does get involved but it feels so good when you have a decent town game that you can emulate as mafia and not hinder town as town becuase you are trying to destroy your meta at the same time.
/in btw.
I think you will have a more difficult time with your scum meta shape just because of the level of involvement you show when youa re town and its so hard to fake. But thats for another time
Lol, I was super involved in my first scum game. It has the biggest filter I ever had.
Storm I kinda got bored and had to screw around in to stay focused.
Tortoise....Well I got thrown in jail for almost a whole cycle, so that might had some impact.
Honestly, I think my tone/attitude is going to be the hardest thing for me to fake.
On July 10 2016 08:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: but shape's an unbeatable scum mastermind.
If you look closely, you see the fact that 2 of the 5 bottles are near empty. Meaning, Sky has been drinking, in what is most likely, her natural habitat, a tavern.
Mafioso Scum (fake?)Claim for now, till I catch up. Might change it up to a town or higher ranked mafia role (fake?)claim, depending on how the thread makes me feel.
On July 12 2016 09:21 emperorchampion wrote: Also just wondering, how come you don't feel comfortable leading a lynch? And also what do you mean by "a townie with a name"?
On July 12 2016 10:01 Snickers wrote: Is kush mountains kush masta or nah?
The best thing about this post, is that it is making me Crave Snicker bars.
Alright, Something makes no sense to actually Shapelog that gives a flying fuck.
Alright, vovo voiced sus. about Emp. Right. Ok, w/e. A bunch of people ask questions to vovo, that is fine as well. He answers Prop. Question, Fine again.
But vovo has a gap between Damdred's question, and answer. and In which, ignores the question, and just calls Emp again scum.
Dammy- Actually could you explain to me a bit more why you think awkward? In the context of there short conversation it feels ok tell me more about what you see.
On July 12 2016 09:21 emperorchampion wrote: Also just wondering, how come you don't feel comfortable leading a lynch? And also what do you mean by "a townie with a name"?
i voted you for this post
On July 12 2016 09:48 prplhz wrote:
On July 12 2016 09:47 vorono wrote: hey
are you a smurf
no
What's your mafia experience? Why do you wanna play on TL Mafia?
What about that post makes you think emperorchampion is scum?
i've played a bit on other sites.
it, in addition to #72, sounds awkward like a mafia trying to fit in
I dunno if I'm buying your reads. You had the most neutral entry and now this...
On July 12 2016 09:21 emperorchampion wrote: Also just wondering, how come you don't feel comfortable leading a lynch? And also what do you mean by "a townie with a name"?
i voted you for this post
On July 12 2016 09:48 prplhz wrote:
On July 12 2016 09:47 vorono wrote: hey
are you a smurf
no
What's your mafia experience? Why do you wanna play on TL Mafia?
What about that post makes you think emperorchampion is scum?
i've played a bit on other sites.
it, in addition to #72, sounds awkward like a mafia trying to fit in
I dunno if I'm buying your reads. You had the most neutral entry and now this...
Mind linking some previous games?
This wagon could be looking pretty comfy actually
ok emperorpenguin is scum.
And just gone again.
And he doesn't react to anyone (or LS more to the point) of calling the Emp post Null, despite being around. I would expect someone to at least be questionable about the person who is defending/white knighting someone that they consider scum. Not just ignore it. Then just coming back 2 hours later (if he left, I mean that post came 12 mins after Emp's), and just calling the guy scum again.
On July 12 2016 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: Good Morning Everyone,
I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share.
Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town.
DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment.
[green]prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying.
For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution
Why do you have such a strong opinion on Damdy based on what he wrote on emc, but no opinion on emc at all? Doesn't seem logical to me. If his points are excellent you should share his views?
Applause! Applause!
Friend Vivax, you have earned a —certainly one of kruppe's favorites!— chair at Kruppe's table. Such wisdom is unparalleled by anyone other than Kruppe himself.
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
Your metaing off of one game, without seeing his mafia game. And he is being different from said game.....
And your doing this, in a Onegu game, someone who hates people who try to meta off of 1 game/no playing against/not playing against scum!X.
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
I don't agree with this reasoning. You are saying that Prp tried to be more active last game than he usually is (and he was town), but it didn't work out well for him... so the fact that he is being passive here is an adjustment to that, indicating that he is town? I find that to be a bit of a stretch because if he is normally passive, then that would still be the best method for him to employ in order to blend in if he is Mafia.
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
I don't agree with this reasoning. You are saying that Prp tried to be more active last game than he usually is (and he was town), but it didn't work out well for him... so the fact that he is being passive here is an adjustment to that, indicating that he is town? I find that to be a bit of a stretch because if he is normally passive, then that would still be the best method for him to employ in order to blend in if he is Mafia.
I don't think it points either way.
Honestly you guys are missing the most important problem with emc post here.
How can you post that and not tell us what you think we are missing, let's discuss it yo!
The problem is a forced read. In what I quoted it's pointed out a couple of the problems where the thought process doesn't quite meet with reality.
Ie, he did this one game and is doing this here. This sort of logical leap in itself is not a bad one at all, and it is one that someone who's trying to become better should make. And it is a good obaervation.
However as pointed out this change in behavior should be more towards a scum sided or strictly neutral position than a neutral/town. But the read is forced through in an unnatural way to make him hi e town points to prp.
It's semantics a bit but it is trying to give someone a town read just to seem like he's doing something.
2 other's saw it too. So clap.
On July 12 2016 14:57 Kruppe the Eel wrote: A glorious morning. Rejoice, friends!
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
I don't agree with this reasoning. You are saying that Prp tried to be more active last game than he usually is (and he was town), but it didn't work out well for him... so the fact that he is being passive here is an adjustment to that, indicating that he is town? I find that to be a bit of a stretch because if he is normally passive, then that would still be the best method for him to employ in order to blend in if he is Mafia.
I don't think it points either way.
Honestly you guys are missing the most important problem with emc post here.
How can you post that and not tell us what you think we are missing, let's discuss it yo!
The problem is a forced read. In what I quoted it's pointed out a couple of the problems where the thought process doesn't quite meet with reality.
Ie, he did this one game and is doing this here. This sort of logical leap in itself is not a bad one at all, and it is one that someone who's trying to become better should make. And it is a good obaervation.
However as pointed out this change in behavior should be more towards a scum sided or strictly neutral position than a neutral/town. But the read is forced through in an unnatural way to make him hi e town points to prp.
It's semantics a bit but it is trying to give someone a town read just to seem like he's doing something.
You took what didn't gel in my mind from his post and drew a pretty logical conclusion from it. I agree, it was a pretty big logical leap that didn't really need to be made. I am not going to TR anyone this early, game just started!
Hmmmm. Remind me someone for me to come back to this.
On July 12 2016 09:02 prplhz wrote: Who do I talk to to get someone lynched in this town?
Just gotta muster up a big enough mob to get majority
Yea but my problem is that I couldn't get someone lynched to save my life, I'd much rather someone else be the whip and do the brow beating. Usually I find a townie with a name but this game doesn't seem to have that.
Wait a sec here, so this time all of the townies are no-names... How do you know who is a townie in this game?
Is this a slip?
Townie with a name comes off to me as a player with a rep. and someone he considers town.
Just a guess tho.
On July 12 2016 15:22 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Aaai! My most enlightened message has fallen into the depths!
On July 12 2016 15:23 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Fear not, friends. Kruppe shall rewrite it. Your greatest friend indeed!
Might be chez. I know Chez like to friend do to his house of Chez guide.
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote: can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.
Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.
Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?
vorono
also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site
OMG........
I DIEING RIGHT NOW XD
omg....vovo...just try to get someone to look sus for not answer a question hahahahaha.
Vovo....of all people...XD
Good Morning Everyone,
I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share.
Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town.
DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment.
[green]prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying.
For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution
[/b] Nothing amazing, nothing bad.
On July 12 2016 19:25 vorono wrote: ok we should kill empoleon though.
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
Your metaing off of one game, without seeing his mafia game. And he is being different from said game.....
And your doing this, in a Onegu game, someone who hates people who try to meta off of 1 game/no playing against/not playing against scum!X.
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
I don't agree with this reasoning. You are saying that Prp tried to be more active last game than he usually is (and he was town), but it didn't work out well for him... so the fact that he is being passive here is an adjustment to that, indicating that he is town? I find that to be a bit of a stretch because if he is normally passive, then that would still be the best method for him to employ in order to blend in if he is Mafia.
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
I don't agree with this reasoning. You are saying that Prp tried to be more active last game than he usually is (and he was town), but it didn't work out well for him... so the fact that he is being passive here is an adjustment to that, indicating that he is town? I find that to be a bit of a stretch because if he is normally passive, then that would still be the best method for him to employ in order to blend in if he is Mafia.
I don't think it points either way.
Honestly you guys are missing the most important problem with emc post here.
How can you post that and not tell us what you think we are missing, let's discuss it yo!
The problem is a forced read. In what I quoted it's pointed out a couple of the problems where the thought process doesn't quite meet with reality.
Ie, he did this one game and is doing this here. This sort of logical leap in itself is not a bad one at all, and it is one that someone who's trying to become better should make. And it is a good obaervation.
However as pointed out this change in behavior should be more towards a scum sided or strictly neutral position than a neutral/town. But the read is forced through in an unnatural way to make him hi e town points to prp.
It's semantics a bit but it is trying to give someone a town read just to seem like he's doing something.
2 other's saw it too. So clap.
On July 12 2016 14:57 Kruppe the Eel wrote: A glorious morning. Rejoice, friends!
Yup, Slam. offchance Chez.
Smurf solved.
On July 12 2016 15:01 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 12 2016 14:53 Damdred wrote:
On July 12 2016 14:49 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 12 2016 14:45 Damdred wrote:
On July 12 2016 14:39 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 12 2016 13:29 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
I don't agree with this reasoning. You are saying that Prp tried to be more active last game than he usually is (and he was town), but it didn't work out well for him... so the fact that he is being passive here is an adjustment to that, indicating that he is town? I find that to be a bit of a stretch because if he is normally passive, then that would still be the best method for him to employ in order to blend in if he is Mafia.
I don't think it points either way.
Honestly you guys are missing the most important problem with emc post here.
How can you post that and not tell us what you think we are missing, let's discuss it yo!
The problem is a forced read. In what I quoted it's pointed out a couple of the problems where the thought process doesn't quite meet with reality.
Ie, he did this one game and is doing this here. This sort of logical leap in itself is not a bad one at all, and it is one that someone who's trying to become better should make. And it is a good obaervation.
However as pointed out this change in behavior should be more towards a scum sided or strictly neutral position than a neutral/town. But the read is forced through in an unnatural way to make him hi e town points to prp.
It's semantics a bit but it is trying to give someone a town read just to seem like he's doing something.
You took what didn't gel in my mind from his post and drew a pretty logical conclusion from it. I agree, it was a pretty big logical leap that didn't really need to be made. I am not going to TR anyone this early, game just started!
Hmmmm. Remind me someone for me to come back to this.
On July 12 2016 15:04 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 12 2016 09:06 prplhz wrote:
On July 12 2016 09:04 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 09:02 prplhz wrote: Who do I talk to to get someone lynched in this town?
Just gotta muster up a big enough mob to get majority
Yea but my problem is that I couldn't get someone lynched to save my life, I'd much rather someone else be the whip and do the brow beating. Usually I find a townie with a name but this game doesn't seem to have that.
Wait a sec here, so this time all of the townies are no-names... How do you know who is a townie in this game?
Is this a slip?
Townie with a name comes off to me as a player with a rep. and someone he considers town.
Just a guess tho.
On July 12 2016 15:22 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Aaai! My most enlightened message has fallen into the depths!
On July 12 2016 15:23 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Fear not, friends. Kruppe shall rewrite it. Your greatest friend indeed!
Might be chez. I know Chez like to friend do to his house of Chez guide.
Woah how dare you totally ignore me I already labelled him Chez.
How dare you good sir to know that your post was on the next page of this one! *slaps with glove*
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm. On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote: can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.
Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.
Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?
vorono
also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site
Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm. On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.
Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote: can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.
Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.
Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?
vorono
also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site
Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.
Ya I see what you talking about but idk I want to se his response to us talking about him.
even in the case that both are scum, we still need a third partner in crime.
Anyone outside of those two rubbing you wrong LS? No one really stood out out when I catched up expect kush, but kush always does.
No one is rubbing me wrong atm.
Tbf, you have talked about him (IIRC, or at least listed questions) about him before this. I would as well tho.
Is your bff read on Damdred still null or watching or whatever it was?
On July 13 2016 00:05 emperorchampion wrote: I dunno why people keep jumping on this meta train. To re-iterate, I don't think I'm "meta"-ing my read of prpl, like I'm not saying oh in town games he does this and in scum games he does this. Just an observation that he has a different idea of how to approach the game due to past failures.
Well it is technically meta.
Meta is referring to how you know someone plays normally. Now, 1 game shouldn't tell you how he is normally playing (which is some of the prob. that people have stated) but, you do go into the next game with a bias of how they should play, which is basically meta.
In your case, you called his actions different, yet gave him townie points. This is fine, with evidence or reasoning like yours if you prove it, but you still should expect people to question you about it.
Ik what your doing Emp, I did it too. It is why I am not pushing it more, because, I can/have see people like you do it as either alignment.
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)
So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.
What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.
Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
On July 13 2016 00:16 Damdred wrote: Emperor on the surface it is a half meta read from your experience.
But let's leave that for now, can you tell me any other reads or anything at this point? Maybe ls, shape?
@LS while I appreciate a healthy amount of fear for my scum game I'm not so sure there is a point in trying to deter everyone from town reading me when I have a decent amount of content for that part of the game. What is your angle in this? What read do you have hidden about me that you haven't shared?
@Shape hi shape
Damdred. Comma Damdred. Comma. You are about as bad as Rels.
Also, that is it? just a fucking HI?
I thought we had something!
I was actually thinking about the @LS point. (hence why I asked him about if his read is still null on you or not) I mean, it isn't like you cannot be catched later in the game if you are scum. And I much rather take scum!damdred to day 3, then lynch town!damdred day 1 based off of weak reasoning or fear.
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)
So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.
What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.
Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
I think I pretty much made one post about it, and some pre-game stuff and the rest have been quotes and responding to questions.
On July 12 2016 08:12 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 08:34 emperorchampion wrote: Hey damdred,
Feels good to finally roll town then the plot was to describe the leveling off of hype levels since no one was in thread
Also, you think around 5 is a lot of hype or not a lot of hype??? How are you?
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
On July 12 2016 15:36 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe welcomes EmperorChampion, a true friend of Kruppe, to Kruppe's table. Sit, friend, and marvel in the sweetness, and sweet it is indeed, of Kruppe's friendship.
On July 13 2016 00:42 Shapelog wrote: Well I just Broke a banana
I hope that's not a euphemism :o
I was going to explain How I broke a Banana, but it prob. will sound more like a Euphemism.
Eh,
It was a Ripe banana and I grabbed it at it's tip, like you normally do, and instead of doing it's usual peeling of the skin, it snapped in the middle.
On July 13 2016 00:42 Shapelog wrote: Well I just Broke a banana
I hope that's not a euphemism :o
I was going to explain How I broke a Banana, but it prob. will sound more like a Euphemism.
Eh,
It was a Ripe banana and I grabbed it at it's tip, like you normally do, and instead of doing it's usual peeling of the skin, it snapped in the middle.
Mmm you gotta go for the technique that supposedly the monkeys use
Fun fact,
if you look at my first 5-6 or so Town games, I always typed I was eating a banana when I eating one. Yet in my mafia game (first one) I didn't. So technically, back then, my meta was:
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)
So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.
What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.
Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
I think I pretty much made one post about it, and some pre-game stuff and the rest have been quotes and responding to questions.
On July 12 2016 08:12 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 08:34 emperorchampion wrote: Hey damdred,
Feels good to finally roll town then the plot was to describe the leveling off of hype levels since no one was in thread
Also, you think around 5 is a lot of hype or not a lot of hype??? How are you?
On July 12 2016 13:29 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
And I was going to inculde this one, but
On July 12 2016 22:41 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:36 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe welcomes EmperorChampion, a true friend of Kruppe, to Kruppe's table. Sit, friend, and marvel in the sweetness, and sweet it is indeed, of Kruppe's friendship.
Happy to Lee the Eppurk!
It's Chez/Slam Interaction.
Do you understand btw the rest of the post?
OK so I suppose specifically most of the posts have been in response to damdred. Maybe he's thinking along the same lines as you?
At first I was thinking he wanted to question me about something, but now upon second reading he thinks I'm town
He asked you what your reads were on other people, and quoted my name and LS as examples.
On July 13 2016 00:42 Shapelog wrote: Well I just Broke a banana
I hope that's not a euphemism :o
I was going to explain How I broke a Banana, but it prob. will sound more like a Euphemism.
Eh,
It was a Ripe banana and I grabbed it at it's tip, like you normally do, and instead of doing it's usual peeling of the skin, it snapped in the middle.
Mmm you gotta go for the technique that supposedly the monkeys use
Fun fact,
if you look at my first 5-6 or so Town games, I always typed I was eating a banana when I eating one. Yet in my mafia game (first one) I didn't. So technically, back then, my meta was:
If he is eating a banana = town.
Also....
Mmm you gotta go for the technique that supposedly the monkeys use
No Damdred did, and you said you thought he asked you a question.
On July 13 2016 00:16 Damdred wrote: Emperor on the surface it is a half meta read from your experience.
But let's leave that for now, can you tell me any other reads or anything at this point? Maybe ls, shape?
@LS while I appreciate a healthy amount of fear for my scum game I'm not so sure there is a point in trying to deter everyone from town reading me when I have a decent amount of content for that part of the game. What is your angle in this? What read do you have hidden about me that you haven't shared?
I mean, LS just latterly told me I would be disappointment when he flips, when i am lynching him on the idea of getting him lynched as town. Meaning he would have to be mafia....
On July 13 2016 01:30 Shapelog wrote: I mean, LS just latterly told me I would be disappointment when he flips, when i am lynching him on the idea of getting him lynched as town. Meaning he would have to be mafia....
I mean, either way I suppose I win.
If you town lynching a townie would be disappointing don't you agree? If you are mafia you will want to mislynch townies don't you?
Normally, yes.
But I want to lynch you for your cocky remark about not being lynch for a long time d1. And would be happy if you flip green just for the sake of taking you down a notch. And if you flip scum, well you flip scum.
Like, it is a win-win situation for me.
Maybe I won't though, depends.
Honestly I cannot care right now with AMV souleater right now,
On July 13 2016 01:16 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: LightningStrike
Yawn good luck lynching me I haven't been lynched Day 1 as town in a long while ;D
You really are making me want to lynch you now, based off of this.
Go ahead and try then if you must but be warned you will be disappointed when you what I flip ;D
Oh your mafia?
On July 13 2016 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 13 2016 01:16 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: LightningStrike
Yawn good luck lynching me I haven't been lynched Day 1 as town in a long while ;D
EZ GAME!
Nope I just town thus you would be disappointed if you are town because of me flipping town.
Did u not read the reasoning of me wanting to lynch you? aka,
On July 13 2016 01:16 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: LightningStrike
Yawn good luck lynching me I haven't been lynched Day 1 as town in a long while ;D
XD
you act like I play to win.
You just want to lynch me just because of my response to Vivax saying good luck lynching me when he voting me. I know you want to play to win I jsut wanted to see if you would really go for the vote thus making you claim scum.
Bad reader, I claimed scum with my first post.
On July 13 2016 01:34 LightningStrike wrote: BTW fix your formatting Shape it's bugging me.
I take it under constructionist, invest it in my typing skills
On July 13 2016 01:30 Shapelog wrote: I mean, LS just latterly told me I would be disappointment when he flips, when i am lynching him on the idea of getting him lynched as town. Meaning he would have to be mafia....
I mean, either way I suppose I win.
If you town lynching a townie would be disappointing don't you agree? If you are mafia you will want to mislynch townies don't you?
Normally, yes.
But I want to lynch you for your cocky remark about not being lynch for a long time d1. And would be happy if you flip green just for the sake of taking you down a notch. And if you flip scum, well you flip scum.
Like, it is a win-win situation for me.
Maybe I won't though, depends.
Honestly I cannot care right now with AMV souleater right now,
Well I do have the right to be cocky now that I now been getting night killed as VT.
Please, The only person who has ever killed you as mafia is me.
On July 13 2016 01:16 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: LightningStrike
Yawn good luck lynching me I haven't been lynched Day 1 as town in a long while ;D
You really are making me want to lynch you now, based off of this.
Go ahead and try then if you must but be warned you will be disappointed when you what I flip ;D
Oh your mafia?
On July 13 2016 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 13 2016 01:16 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: LightningStrike
Yawn good luck lynching me I haven't been lynched Day 1 as town in a long while ;D
EZ GAME!
Nope I just town thus you would be disappointed if you are town because of me flipping town.
Did u not read the reasoning of me wanting to lynch you? aka,
On July 13 2016 01:16 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: LightningStrike
Yawn good luck lynching me I haven't been lynched Day 1 as town in a long while ;D
XD
you act like I play to win.
You just want to lynch me just because of my response to Vivax saying good luck lynching me when he voting me. I know you want to play to win I jsut wanted to see if you would really go for the vote thus making you claim scum.
Bad reader, I claimed scum with my first post.
On July 13 2016 01:34 LightningStrike wrote: BTW fix your formatting Shape it's bugging me.
I take it under constructionist, invest it in my typing skills
Mafioso Scum (fake?)Claim for now, till I catch up. Might change it up to a town or higher ranked mafia role (fake?)claim, depending on how the thread makes me feel.
The fake part says you lying about being scum at least that how I reading it.
Funny enough, there is a dumb tell in there now that I actually read the set up a few 10 mins ago.
On July 13 2016 01:41 Damdred wrote: Shape should of never killed ls in storm rip.
Anyway, I missed you shape it had been so long since we had been together I thought my hi would of conveyed the depth of my emotion to you.
As for this ls vs thread hit fight, idk. It sort of is nai he can do it either way. I have a couple problems with ls though, the general attitude towards me/fear mongering when I think my content/activity far outstrips where I have been in any of my scum games. His approach to the end also bugs me and he feels like he flailing now a bit.
Yeah, but I did/should of in tortoise, which I did.
You mean last week? that isn't really long. OH, you mean as same alignment? FFS, Am I already Obv town?
If I am I going to be pissed. I need to be scumread to actually get connected. + Show Spoiler +
Doesn't matter, I just shoot someone tonight
I mean, about the flailing, it mostly is me trolling him so, and a bit about vivax.
On July 13 2016 01:47 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred if you are town we need to work together and vote Voro right now I think his push on Emperor is weak and scummy that he refused to talk to me when I told him that the quote he wanted to vote emperor was NAI.
Why?
First off, we have over 24 hours left. So Idk the we need to do it now point. Second, you wanted him to comeback and see how he acted. Third, You are excessive to Damdred here, and not me/rest of thread, some of which, has voiced sus. towards him.
On July 13 2016 01:40 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe ponders; what happened to the infinite wisdom displayed by true friend Vivax, who is currently —most comfortably— seated at the largest and most illuminated table in the tavern?
Ah, but mayhaps Kruppe already knows. Bard Vivax's song is sonorous and devout, but a song is a poem is a tale. This is merely the beginning of the tale sung by friend Vivax; twists and turns, friends and jubilations, chairs and pastries! What wonders await us, dear friends of Kruppe? Kruppe admits to utter ignorance, solemnly sworn!
On July 13 2016 01:47 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred if you are town we need to work together and vote Voro right now I think his push on Emperor is weak and scummy that he refused to talk to me when I told him that the quote he wanted to vote emperor was NAI.
Why?
First off, we have over 24 hours left. So Idk the we need to do it now point. Second, you wanted him to comeback and see how he acted. Third, You are excessive to Damdred here, and not me/rest of thread, some of which, has voiced sus. towards him.
1. We need to start to get people to vote so we could minimize the chances of shannies in the very last minutes. 2. He hasn't come back which is scummy. 3. I always paranoid about people that I played with in the past just played a scum game you could check all the games in the database hell in tortoise I said I was going to be careful on DYH and you were in that game when I did say that.
1. When the lynch is ~26 hours away? And no doubt, other things will happen in the thread? 2. Yes, but he has ~26 hours to come back, and isn't really a excuse till like being gone for over 12 hours. He has come back, before, even if it is to call EMP scum again. Hell, for all we know, he could be sleeping. I mean the guy has shown a tedious of coming and going. 3. Ok I know that already. But why aren't you targeting or asking me, who has voiced sus. about him, to vote?
On July 13 2016 01:47 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred if you are town we need to work together and vote Voro right now I think his push on Emperor is weak and scummy that he refused to talk to me when I told him that the quote he wanted to vote emperor was NAI.
Why?
First off, we have over 24 hours left. So Idk the we need to do it now point. Second, you wanted him to comeback and see how he acted. Third, You are excessive to Damdred here, and not me/rest of thread, some of which, has voiced sus. towards him.
1. We need to start to get people to vote so we could minimize the chances of shannies in the very last minutes. 2. He hasn't come back which is scummy. 3. I always paranoid about people that I played with in the past just played a scum game you could check all the games in the database hell in tortoise I said I was going to be careful on DYH and you were in that game when I did say that.
1. When the lynch is ~26 hours away? And no doubt, other things will happen in the thread? 2. Yes, but he has ~26 hours to come back, and isn't really a excuse till like being gone for over 12 hours. He has come back, before, even if it is to call EMP scum again. Hell, for all we know, he could be sleeping. I mean the guy has shown a tedious of coming and going. 3. Ok I know that already. But why aren't you targeting or asking me, who has voiced sus. about him, to vote?
1. I feel strongly for this lynch atm and we should lynch him now. 2. Ya that very scummy too when he did get back he did call emperor scum again. 3. Lynch him with me then? I don't know how strong you feel about it but I think we should lynch him now.
I just going to ditch the 123
Yes, but your reasoning for to see when he come back was for you too see how he reacted to us talking about him. Which has not been meet. Yes, he hasn't come back yet, which does trouble me and you, yet that isn't so much of what I am trying to say. what I am trying to say, is that you no longer care about that test it seems. And why not at least wait a while? I image that this has a deadline (48 hours, considering the set up info) so why not try to get the most info out of people, and allow people like Kush or Kel to post more, so we go into Day 2 (well hopefully) with more info then lynching him now.
On July 13 2016 01:41 Damdred wrote: Shape should of never killed ls in storm rip.
Anyway, I missed you shape it had been so long since we had been together I thought my hi would of conveyed the depth of my emotion to you.
As for this ls vs thread hit fight, idk. It sort of is nai he can do it either way. I have a couple problems with ls though, the general attitude towards me/fear mongering when I think my content/activity far outstrips where I have been in any of my scum games. His approach to the end also bugs me and he feels like he flailing now a bit.
Yeah, but I did/should of in tortoise, which I did.
You mean last week? that isn't really long. OH, you mean as same alignment? FFS, Am I already Obv town?
If I am I going to be pissed. I need to be scumread to actually get connected. + Show Spoiler +
Doesn't matter, I just shoot someone tonight
I mean, about the flailing, it mostly is me trolling him so, and a bit about vivax.
On July 13 2016 02:14 Damdred wrote: We do obviously we just need to be mindful and organize ourselves around a few people to give a concentrated effort towards that.
Shape what's your opinion on ls in serious thought?
In serious thought?
Honestly I didn't have a major Pablum with him, even while trolling him. I didn't have any problems until the vote and "We need to vote Now" post. A lot of things he did, I could see either scum or town LS do. And I don't have that much experience with scum LS to tell if Vivax point has any merit too it.
The thing that bothers me with the vote, is that when me and him talked about it, he didn't have any motivation to vote him then. And wanted to wait and see Vovos reaction, if one. Now, when he is getting voted by vivax, he brings up the vote, and talks something about Vivax being a player that changes reads and etc.
It just seems so....odd to me. Like if LS really didn't care about vivax, why is he really wanting a wagon to happen on vovo all the sudden. Like he thinks the thread is going to follow suit, or something along those lines.
On July 13 2016 02:14 Damdred wrote: We do obviously we just need to be mindful and organize ourselves around a few people to give a concentrated effort towards that.
Shape what's your opinion on ls in serious thought?
In serious thought?
Honestly I didn't have a major Pablum with him, even while trolling him. I didn't have any problems until the vote and "We need to vote Now" post. A lot of things he did, I could see either scum or town LS do. And I don't have that much experience with scum LS to tell if Vivax point has any merit too it.
The thing that bothers me with the vote, is that when me and him talked about it, he didn't have any motivation to vote him then. And wanted to wait and see Vovos reaction, if one. Now, when he is getting voted by vivax, he brings up the vote, and talks something about Vivax being a player that changes reads and etc.
It just seems so....odd to me. Like if LS really didn't care about vivax, why is he really wanting a wagon to happen on vovo all the sudden. Like he thinks the thread is going to follow suit, or something along those lines.
Okay my scumread on him wasn't sudden but the reason I decided to vote for him other than I scumreading voro is because we need to talk about him and bring pressure on him because it became clear no one wanted to talk about him during the time other than you and me. But honestly voro is likely scum trying to get a weak push on someone.
Yeah the bold is what I meant to say.
And I get and see why Vovo looks scummy, hell I agree with it. Hence, why I am not voting you out of that reason. I do not think tho that him not being here rn is a reason to drop it. Hell, for all we know, he could be sleeping.
I think I am going to take a back seat rn, and just prod the Thread if discussion gets low. I not being really productive in my eyes, and already have almost 4 pages.
On July 13 2016 02:26 LightningStrike wrote: We should lynch Voro and you guys should sheep me on this lynch.
I only sheep on reads.
And you just did a good job defending from my thought post here. Really good. Like how you basically just showed what I meant in one post.
On July 13 2016 02:29 emperorchampion wrote: A) Finished, then brushed my teeth B) Gave for you, workin on others
You saying Lynch vovo, sheep me, America is Great. is totally defending my points about you wanting to do it.
Okay this post is pure sarcasm on the later half of it. Yes we should lynch Voro hell you agreed with with me that he been scummy so vote him with me. If he's sleeping idk it's because he stayed up over night while I was asleep or because hes like a cat which sleeps most of the day.
Both posts were sarcasm. FFS.
Ik what your getting at LS, I do. But personally, I like at least giving the person a chance to talk. If you don't believe me, look last game. If he comes back, and does the same shit, or his answer is scummy. I'll vote then. I see no need to vote him yet.
If he doesn't come back 10 hours before deadline, I'll vote him.
On July 13 2016 00:34 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I think solving Voro and Emperors alignment wil be key on figuring out the scum team atm. @Emperor what you make of Voro pushing you atm?
Nowhere is explained how their alignments would help figuring out the scum team.
On July 13 2016 01:24 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways if I have to lynch anyone right now it would be Voro because his push is very weak but I wanted more people's opinions on him and Emperor because like I said solving both of their alignments will solve the game.
One hour later he "wanted more opinions on them". He wants to lynch him because his push is weak. And still nobody knows how their alignments would solve the game. These are all not arguments for voron being mafia. For any town person he should be at best null, on a D1.
When LS gets heat on him he intensifies the tunnel and adds another argument (bolded) that makes vorono at best more afk, not more mafia and was never part of his original arguments to begin with. To me it just looks like he's desperately trying to push attention away from himself by doing this.
On July 13 2016 01:45 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck it I voting my scum read now rather people think I right or wrong I don't give a fuck about it. Voro I think your scum because your push is super weak on Emperor and when I told you that the quote you quoted for voting him is NAI you refused to talk to me. ##Vote: vorono
Caution meta and tone ahead this won't be even up for debate for me cause I don't even need this argument to explain why he's mafia (if you have rebuttals then adress my other points thanks) , but if you accept meta as a reason and are acquainted with LS then it might convince you.
I don't even know why a town LS would add a "fuck it" in here when he's being suspected by 1 or 2 persons. When he's town he doesn't get this aggressive (heard about some lylo madness somewhere but that's not the same context). He actually tries to find out why he's being scumread and stuff, check this page of his filter from Holyflare mafia which 1. is recent, 2. has him as mafia's D1 target and he's being suspected by townies as well.
I am not trying to defend LS here, but it is more then a weak push. It was Vovo's push and ignoring the rest of the thread that made LS (and me) think that he was scum. Not just the push.
Other then that, you summed up pretty much everything I thought.
On July 13 2016 04:14 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways KSC could be lurking mafia and so could kush because kush said he would catch up and do shit today but he haven't done shit today. KSC haven't done anything since last night could mean he rolled scum 2 games in a row for him.
Let's us our brains and my investigation skill on a DND character I have named Al Gore.
A) kush said he be here tomorrow (today), and it is 4:00 PM currently. He most likely is working today, since it is a week day, which you should know given his comments about it last game (or shouldn't maybe) B)I cannot remember why KSC left, be he had a reason I think. And I know before the game start, that he said he would be less active. Not only that, but in the active game session, this idea is further pushed.
And we still have over 25 hours....
Why not Prp by this standard too as well? Prp idk anything about his personal life, but he has been out of the picture. Yet he is missing.
On July 13 2016 04:26 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck vivax I just was noingthem because I was surprised they weren't around so fuck you I hope you are mafia looking for a easy mislynch. Also step on a lego.
Be careful, telling someone to step on a lego could cause you to get ban for behavior issues.
But I just told you why (i think) they prob. won't be here.
Also, if your town, please don't cause yourself to get MKed. If needed, I step-up, stop being sarcastic, and be a middle man of sorts, so people won't get MK or removed from the game.
Like honestly, idk why you are mad. Ok, someone called you scum. Big deal. Not only that, but you apparently know that vivax calls everyone scum.
I mean, yes, It is bastardizing as either alignment to be called scum, but there is no reason for it. + Show Spoiler +
Honestly, I just don't want another game, to end, in a behavior relative issue, or something fucking popping up as a behavior issue post game. It is bothering me, cause i feel like i should be doing something to help, yet often, I cannot do to either my position in the game as a player, or because I try to hard to act so.
On July 13 2016 04:10 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck you. Fuck you. Oh and fuck you. There is always 1 scum between Boro and emperor that why I said what I said.
Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that.
Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion.
I threw insults at people in Storm you idiot. Step on a Lego you faggot.
On July 13 2016 05:09 LightningStrike wrote: IDC at this point Voro is scum just lynch him.
Well Maybe you should.
I mean, I understand the stress of being called scum, regardless of alignment. But I cannot understand A) calling a faggot B) Just your temper over all. Out of all people, I expect you, to understand that those kinda of comments, considering how you act when someone uses the work Autistic in a negative way (which I support you, Autistic brother and I have special needs), is not ok. Not only that, but the player list this game, most either new, newish, or returning players, don't need to hear it. Especially when a bunch just got out of a game, that ended early, due to this kind of behavior.
But sense you don't care, either because you truly believe in this foolishness, or because of what ever, possible explanation. I suppose I move on.
I was going to ask you a question about this post, But I too afird that you lash out on me because of it.
On July 13 2016 05:05 LightningStrike wrote: Prplhz was not really active player period. Kush and KSC are as town.
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
On July 12 2016 23:46 Shapelog wrote: Like, I just have probs. with both of them right now, but Vovo I have a lot of. If that makes sense.
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote: can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.
Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.
Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?
vorono
also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site
OMG........
I DIEING RIGHT NOW XD
omg....vovo...just try to get someone to look sus for not answer a question hahahahaha.
Vovo....of all people...XD
i'm not trying to make him look suspicious, i don't have a read on him yet. probably because of the strange posting style.
It came off to me as you trying to. Mostly because you lead off with it.
Personally, I am not even trying to read him(her? lol, I guess it could be Rsoul trolling mode). dude to it, and prob. either P-lynch them later on, or find something to read them on.
On July 12 2016 23:38 LightningStrike wrote: Rolf Shape we were asking each other the same question. So I don't know what think of it because it does seems like what Holyflare did to me in HO LY F * * * E Mafia but Holyflare is a vet though. If voro is scum eh picking on a easy target since emperor is a newbie but then again DC is considered a Newbie too because they both haven't played that many games.
dude i'm a newbie not empoleon, he has like 10000 posts.
empoleon looks like scum to me, you're saying "if he's scum" but nothing to suggest why this interpretation is valid
Emps a Newbie btw. 2 completed scum games, and no town games. Posts is tracked on all threads across the site, and not all are mafia.
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
well i think prp is town but i'm not sure who khez is like is he in this game? didn't make any impression on me
i reassessed my read and decided that i continue to be right in voting him.
Chez, who I think the smurf is mostly is, based off the smurf doing chez things (budding) and I mixed it. (its Kuppee)
see, I didn't know, nor anyone else, of your reads because you never posted them. Also, reassessed as in at the moment, or now, after he has posted more? I assume it is the first one, and if it is, like to here why. But again, Please catch up first.
On July 13 2016 06:44 Vivax wrote: volvo doesnt sound like maf to me, but my opinion is in the minority this game so whatevs
So goth.
But serious tone here, Vivax, Ik and have read (and voiced) my sus. on LS. Hell, I wouldn't mind lynching him if he keeps up, and doesn't start being/acting town. Considering the fact that he literally pick up the "Lynch X" banner.
Not to mention he prob. will get MKed from the comment about you too. And added that, plus how much he bothered me, is why I am not talking about him.
On July 13 2016 06:44 Vivax wrote: volvo doesnt sound like maf to me, but my opinion is in the minority this game so whatevs
So goth.
But serious tone here, Vivax, Ik and have read (and voiced) my sus. on LS. Hell, I wouldn't mind lynching him if he keeps up, and doesn't start being/acting town. Considering the fact that he literally pick up the "Lynch X" banner.
Not to mention he prob. will get MKed from the comment about you too. And added that, plus how much he bothered me, is why I am not talking about him.
I don't want him to get MKed or act town I just want to lynch him for rolling mafia. He learned to include rage outbursts as scum strat so it's just a good reason as the others.
I'm just really annoyed at the attrition you and Damdred are giving me, Damdred mentioning how he has concerns and the such but not voicing them.
You on the other hand seem so focused on Volvo and given the spammy nature all I see is the thread (which is 60 % you probably) jumping on this guy, but here's what I think.
1. I still don't know a reason for people scumreading him besides him being perceived as overly sure on calling emc scum. LS added that one of him and emc must be mafia and that he has been lurking but I'm not seeing these reasons as valid.
2. He seems really calm and didn't try to adapt his opinion that got him scumread in the first place.
3. Someone like him is prime D1 lynch bait material. He doesn't know how we play and judge people
[u]: He has keep themkinda to himself, but did voiced them IIRC. Moistly about him being paranoid about him. [b]: Yeah, I need to slow down. I think I am almost at 5 pages FFS. LS talk from me happen I think at page 3-4ish in my filter if you want to see it.
1. That is the reasoning and the thing with Kupple. I don't agree with LS's statement there. Vovo is here (or was) so I want to see what he does.
2, I always laugh at this, because so many guides say to act calm if your scum. For me it is NAI. about the read, True, he hasn't been stumbling with it at all.
On July 13 2016 04:10 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck you. Fuck you. Oh and fuck you. There is always 1 scum between Boro and emperor that why I said what I said.
Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that.
Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion.
I threw insults at people in Storm you idiot. Step on a Lego you faggot.
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm. On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.
Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote: can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.
Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.
Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?
vorono
also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site
Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.
how the hell do you draw that conclusion from me calling someone scum, this is complete bs and reaching.
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
like this implies that you know that empoleon is a mislynch, and if he is actually town that is scummy af. (because my reads are sometimes wrong)
there is no way you could conclude this from information a town is supposed to have
So you did/were calling him scum?
It came off to me, that because you point out the fact and leading with "also you haven't responded" it sounded like you were trying to voice sus. on Kuppe.
About me supposedly knowing TMI, that is littlerly a memory copy of a description of a scum agenda. Or a part of it at least. That is a part of that agenda, and if I think you are scum, why does that not make sense for me to conclude (on Kuppe) that he is most likely someone you were trying to ML if scum?
On July 13 2016 07:49 vorono wrote: actually no you are calling kruppe a mislynch, i misread that. that's still awful.
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)
So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.
What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.
Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
i think this is bad and you are scum by calling him scum while simultaneously accusing me for accusing him, which is just dumb and there's no reason to think that i didn't reach the same conclusion from the same evidence (which i actually did and i tried to explain my thought process).
i think that empoleon's comment "so you think we're both scum" is the kind of interaction that partners will have together and you are trying to chain townies to your partner, so it could make sense for you to be scum together.
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)
So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.
What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.
Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
furthermore, if you lynch me when i flip town it gives you an excuse to townread empoleon, you can be all like "oh so they werent scum together oh well that invalidates my only point against this evidently upstanding town member"
Yes, I did. I don't associative read the game (or try not to, tho i will admit I do sometimes rant about it) until a scum member actually flips. All my reads are based off of what that one person did (I was heavily chastised for it in certain games.) Yes, you might of had the same read, hell, lets say even the same logic. But, your actions to me then still sounded and looked scummy.
Call it bad all you want, it is something that works with me, and prevents me from tunneling into oblivion with XYZ scum team or bust.
I would be confused too, if someone stated that they thought it could be S v S. I obv don't know why he asked it, other then possibly that.
I never said I would think he is town if you flipped town, nor would I. Hell, wouldn't you think (given my position here) i would be forced to at least follow up on Emp's alignment based off it? Like, this is what I said:
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
How does that come off as me saying that if you flip town, it would be Town v town in my POV?
On July 13 2016 08:06 Vivax wrote: I avoided talking about other stuff than LS so I can focus on one thing at a time. I wanted but refrained to talk a bit about Skynx. He seems different to me than in his last game at first glance. Less active and the posts feel different as well. Nothing more concrete until I do another dive though. I was too tunneled to really read much besides LS Damdred, volvo and shape.
I honestly want more out of him too.
Personally out of like the 4 games I seen/played with him. It could be scum indicative, but will have to see more. His scum game he had a strong entrance, even though he still posted less. Here, It is kinda mellow.
On July 13 2016 01:28 Shapelog wrote: Shapelog too good at this game.
Got one person already to claim scum.
i don't like this and i think you are being deliberately ambiguous about it, especially since he was modkilled and vanilla town.
Excuse me, but how the is the bolded relevant to this first off? That came way after the fact, and honestly shouldn't be even in the mind when evaluating that post.
2nd, I made clear what I ment by it, and can quote if asked.
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm. On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.
Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote: can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.
Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.
Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?
vorono
also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site
Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.
how the hell do you draw that conclusion from me calling someone scum, this is complete bs and reaching.
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
like this implies that you know that empoleon is a mislynch, and if he is actually town that is scummy af. (because my reads are sometimes wrong)
there is no way you could conclude this from information a town is supposed to have
So you did/were calling him scum?
It came off to me, that because you point out the fact and leading with "also you haven't responded" it sounded like you were trying to voice sus. on Kuppe.
About me supposedly knowing TMI, that is littlerly a memory copy of a description of a scum agenda. Or a part of it at least. That is a part of that agenda, and if I think you are scum, why does that not make sense for me to conclude (on Kuppe) that he is most likely someone you were trying to ML if scum?
no, i misread the first part and thought you were talking about empoleon not kruppe, i wasn't calling kruppe scum and i don't know if he is or not.
no i was asking him just because i wanted to know, that isn't "trying to throw shade" at all.
because that was the reasoning for you calling me scum, not a conclusion. you didn't say "oh kruppe is town because vorono is trying to accuse him", you said "oh vorono is scum because he's trying to mislynch kruppe". also, because you stated it offhand as opposed to actually explaining that.
this response convinces me more that you're scum because you ask rhetorical questions "why couldn't it be this? or this?" rather than actually saying what you think.
On July 13 2016 07:49 vorono wrote: actually no you are calling kruppe a mislynch, i misread that. that's still awful.
On July 13 2016 00:22 Shapelog wrote:
On July 13 2016 00:12 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)
So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.
What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.
Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
i think this is bad and you are scum by calling him scum while simultaneously accusing me for accusing him, which is just dumb and there's no reason to think that i didn't reach the same conclusion from the same evidence (which i actually did and i tried to explain my thought process).
i think that empoleon's comment "so you think we're both scum" is the kind of interaction that partners will have together and you are trying to chain townies to your partner, so it could make sense for you to be scum together.
On July 13 2016 07:52 vorono wrote:
On July 13 2016 00:22 Shapelog wrote:
On July 13 2016 00:12 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)
So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.
What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.
Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
furthermore, if you lynch me when i flip town it gives you an excuse to townread empoleon, you can be all like "oh so they werent scum together oh well that invalidates my only point against this evidently upstanding town member"
Yes, I did. I don't associative read the game (or try not to, tho i will admit I do sometimes rant about it) until a scum member actually flips. All my reads are based off of what that one person did (I was heavily chastised for it in certain games.) Yes, you might of had the same read, hell, lets say even the same logic. But, your actions to me then still sounded and looked scummy.
Call it bad all you want, it is something that works with me, and prevents me from tunneling into oblivion with XYZ scum team or bust.
I would be confused too, if someone stated that they thought it could be S v S. I obv don't know why he asked it, other then possibly that.
I never said I would think he is town if you flipped town, nor would I. Hell, wouldn't you think (given my position here) i would be forced to at least follow up on Emp's alignment based off it? Like, this is what I said:
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
How does that come off as me saying that if you flip town, it would be Town v town in my POV?
that was the definition an associative read dude.
well i didn't read up to that part yet w/e
Yes, I was trying to explain the other thing I found with you, and brought up the scum agenda point. Now your irked with me about the conclusion of that post? the conclusion of that post was about the point itself. Let's read it again:
Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
Point of post: Explain the point about the Kuppee post. Conclusion:
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
About explaining it, no one else wanted to know it at the time, and that on paper made sense to me. Ik what it means, because I know what is behind it, and I could explain it.
What the bold? Yeah it is. And in that case, it is in a world where you have flipped, and have flipped scum. It also is answering the question I was asked.
On July 13 2016 01:28 Shapelog wrote: Shapelog too good at this game.
Got one person already to claim scum.
i don't like this and i think you are being deliberately ambiguous about it, especially since he was modkilled and vanilla town.
Excuse me, but how the is the bolded relevant to this first off? That came way after the fact, and honestly shouldn't be even in the mind when evaluating that post.
2nd, I made clear what I ment by it, and can quote if asked.
scum caught for wrong reasons, you think that flips can't be used against you well i just did come at me
Townie who cannot believe someone is this zealous.
It isn't the fact you used the flip, you using it to try to call X sus. when the flip info wasn't out at that time. It is like saying "Player Shapelog is sus. due to pushing and questioning Y because he flipped town." How is Player Shapelog consider scum? Because he pushed someone who ended up being town? How should that player know at the time that that player would flip town? They shouldn't
On July 13 2016 08:41 vorono wrote: explain how he scumclaimed because i really don't think he did and you were just overreacting to the entire thing
On July 13 2016 01:16 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: LightningStrike
Yawn good luck lynching me I haven't been lynched Day 1 as town in a long while ;D
EZ GAME!
On July 13 2016 01:30 Shapelog wrote: I mean, LS just latterly told me I would be disappointment when he flips, when i am lynching him on the idea of getting him lynched as town. Meaning he would have to be mafia....
On July 13 2016 07:47 Vivax wrote: Not sure if I should treat LS as modconfirmed town, but I will and otherwise the game is invalid.
yea and vorono seems town too, anyway lets go in a new direction. what you think about DCWasabi? he seems less focused and more nervous to me this game.
Actually, I am more focused and less nervous this game. Not sure how to prove that, but you guys can read my filter for yourself.
Need to figure out who I think is scummy now that LS is out of the picture, too bad we had to waste so many posts on that shit...
it wasn't useless. You got info out of it on people like me/vivax/Dammy about how we acted about it and what not.
I got a really bad margarine yesterday, and a lingering headache today. Better though. I try to squeeze out a read list either before Night 1 is over hopefully. In case somehow, my afkness gain me favor, and mafia sees me as a afk threat.
Which honestly, Given the state of this thread. Shape Spam might be needed to actually get the thread moving. Making me pretty good NK if I was to come back. Plus I am vig, So like, Double whammy.
Like, Even Jat acknowledge my pep-talk motivational style as a threat.
I hardly have enough time before Day post. But I read up till deadline, and I want to spend some time looking at the 3 votes on Kush. I mainly want to do this, because the wagon was 5 on snickers, much before the deadline came (if I am reading correctly.) This means, we are going to look at these lovely Chaps.
On July 14 2016 07:10 KelsierSC wrote: ##unvote
##Vote: nnn_thekushmountains
On July 14 2016 07:55 Snickers wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: nnn_thekushmountains
On July 14 2016 07:32 emperorchampion wrote: ##unvote ##vote nnn_thekushmountains
On July 14 2016 07:55 Snickers wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: nnn_thekushmountains
I am starting with Snickers, because it is the easiest for me to see the motivation for. It is your standard survival vote. Honestly, it doesn't tell me too much, just do to the fact both town and scum do it (cough, Tumble) a lot. So nothing I can gather here tbh. Thought something about this post:
On July 14 2016 07:49 Snickers wrote: Yea i will definately consolidate but I think prp>kush. or slam>kush.
But realized that the main wagon was him :/
On July 14 2016 07:32 emperorchampion wrote: ##unvote ##vote nnn_thekushmountains
I find it odd tbh that Emp voted Kush, and was typing in the thread that town needed to consolidate. Way before his vote, the votes for Snicker numbered at 5. And Kush at 1. Why did he voted for Kush, if he wanted to consolidate? It bothers me that his vote isn't on snickers at all when at 5.
I realize that at least, according to Emp's reaction, that he thought deadline was further away. But come on. How the hell do you not see the 5 votes, and don't go "hmm, People really want snickers dead. I guess that is the lynch town is focusing on."?
Like:
On July 14 2016 07:02 emperorchampion wrote: Anyways, we still need to consolidate on someone
And don't go for the 5 man wagon, and trys to get others to switch onto Kush, evident from this post here, where he is asking Damdred opinion on Kush's scum lean on him.:
On July 14 2016 08:01 emperorchampion wrote: Damdy what do you think about kush's scum lean on you?
+ all the other posts from him talking about Kush being scum.
I don't understand the disconnect at all.
On July 14 2016 07:10 KelsierSC wrote: ##unvote
##Vote: nnn_thekushmountains
First vote on kush. His stance favored a Kush lynch after he came back. But he was ok on a vote on snicker, and was more then a placeholder vote.
On July 14 2016 06:19 KelsierSC wrote: Probably Kush or snickers are good lynches at this point. I'm pretty happy sheeping my town reads for d1
Ik afterwards that Kush became scummy in his eyes, but, he just left after the follow up post at 5 o'clock. idk why he didn't just stay on the wagon that seemed most likely to flip that he was ok with. Then trying to start another 5 man wagon a few hours before dead line.
Honestly, both of Kel's and Emp's vote really scum IMO, and Snickers vote isn't a vote I don't see either alignment making. Both (kel and Emp), on paper, was ok with a lynch on Snickers, or were open to vote out of consolidating. yet didn't in the end, when his wagon reached 5.
Also:
On July 14 2016 05:23 emperorchampion wrote: Thankfully Skynx is here to save the day
We have 5 people here now + shape is out there ing so almost enough to make majority for a lynch.
(+other post about me for some reason starting a shengiges) No I wasn't. My face was in a trash can. Why did u think I was lurking?
I think I am going to answer some things, and go lie down for a bit.
On July 14 2016 14:22 Skynx wrote: Also pointing out Shapelog did not vote in Tortoise mafia as scum in a very critical situation. Not much of an indicator in this situation cuz D1 vote should be super easy as scum in majority. Altho he might be thinking of lategame and jumping on kush last min would come back to bite him later on. Or he might be having internet issues.
Yeah, but it wasn't intentional. And if you read the scum qt, you see that it wasn't. \ Honestly, Storm/newbie XIII would be better to analyze my scum game. I was on a scum burned out +jailed and almost failed to voted on D2 that game. So I wasn't exectally top Shape then.
On July 14 2016 19:05 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Alas, it seems that indecision plagues even the brightest of minds.
Mayhaps the swift silent strike of a most dangerous —and surely friendly towards most innocent Kruppe!— assassin will dispatch of a traitorous traitor. Or mayhaps a Reader of the Deck of Dragons will grant us some insight on the morrow. Ah, the future! Bright and bleak paths intertwined. But one thing is for certain, dear reader, as the moccasins wear, the wisdom grows. And the wiser traveller picks the better path.
So worry not, dear friends! Interlock hands with Kruppe, and he shall grant you the wisdom needed to pick the better path!
Chez/Slam, I am just going to keep you alive until the DnD style posts run out.
On July 14 2016 20:12 Skynx wrote: It takes a team of linguists, pschoanalysts and ancient historians to even make sense of his shortest sentence.
I actually understand it perfectly fine, and It took me years to understand English language.
Will start posting soon. Going to look at Kush's filter to see if anything stood out as blue. Last time he rolled blue (Wondeful IIRC) he was pretty obv.
Other then his treatment (aka Easy TR read) on Sky/Dc, nothing stood out tbh. If Onegu sent the mafia team a list of all the fake role Pm's, Mafia would of known that Mason was possible. But, Idk, hunting Masons over shooting Someone like Damdred/Vivax/Me/or any other highly TR or pushy players seems like something I would do honestly Rofl.
I mean, I guess, concluding that, Either:
-There is a chance one of Damdred or Vivax/X (honestly, Damdred/Vivax is only ones that come to mind that fits that bill) are mafia. As they were highly TR, yet nether died (I am a part of this I suppose, but not from my POV for obv.s reasoning) and kush was shot over them.
Possible I suppose, but unlikely expect in extreme cases where both are scum. I guess they could be playing a late game if either are scum, and would need other townies there, but they easily could of killed off at least someone from that list.
-Was a WIFOM shot
Let's not. I mean, if it was, it means mafia was trying to go the extra mile to frame Snickers (if snickers is town. Since that is the only possible play I can see from a WIFOM set up) lol? Maybe someone else on Kush's lynch list? yet no one so far from skimming is pushing any read from him then Snickers so....
-We, as a whole, are not on the right trail(?). Based on the mafia's decision to risk and shoot Kush. -Kush was on the right trail, in which case, Snickers/Damdred/Kruppe could be scum.
One of these two are most likely the right reasoning behind the NK. Both could be very likely the reasoning. And something I am going to ponder. Interesting enough, one makes snickers look more town, while the other makes him mafia.
On July 15 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote: Oh shit there actually are blue roles in the game? I mean... I must of been RBed.
are you lying about your claim?
hiding behind ambiguity is scummy and i saw no reason for you to claim at that point
Vovo,
This is the second time you called a post i did this, When if you read other posts of mine, or in this case, scroll the fuck down to the next 2 posts, you could find the answer to the question you seek. I would see how you could of missed the Claim scum one a few pages ago, as that reasoning was a tad hidden in a post, but this time is just not acceptable.
What is your opinion on anyone not me/Emp/you? You came back to point this at me, and have bugger off again. I still want kinda have sus. on you, and not doing anything other then spending your time making X look scummy, regardless of who it is, is kinda sus even more to me.
On July 15 2016 14:24 DCWasabi wrote: Looking at these along with shape, mostly agree... long post from my phone lol.
Wouldnt it make sense that mafia is only hiding in the Kush voters if Snickers is Mafia?
If Snickers is town, then I believe that they could join the bandwagon since lynching a town Snickers would not appear scummy due to his lack of activity. And the vote was pretty close with players like me possibly returning at the last second (and mafia know I'm town).
If Snickers is Mafia, then of course they don't want to Lynch him, unless he was being bussed, but I find that unlikely because how the fuck did that vote not pass if mafia is voting him too, a few unforseen life circumstances aside, lol + O's Razor.
Or is it deeper than this? I don't want to get outplayed by some scum mastermind (cough, shape, cough).
, Kush you magnificent bastard. Spreading my Faith and lore across all you play with.
Wouldnt it make sense that mafia is only hiding in the Kush voters if Snickers is Mafia?
They could just be off wagon in general. There were others off wagon, Vovo, the kush wagon, and another person IIRC.
If Snickers is town or mafia, it makes sense for them not to want to lynch him. Mafia is obv. but if he is town, then that forces the town to lose a lynch, and have to try again to lynch snickers, thus causing at least another ML/wasted Lynch, depending if he gets lynched or not. + Show Spoiler +
On July 15 2016 15:04 Skynx wrote: Either way, at least one of KSC/Snickers/emp is mafia for sure and I just don't see emperor ever being town here: Lets go by the facts to start
On July 14 2016 05:31 Skynx wrote: Na man I gotta go sleep, I have to wake up in about 6.5 hours It's gotta be snickers at this point. Don't let this be a no-lynch emp I have faith in you. Oh and if he comes in and pulls out a sicklucker I might just flip tables tomorrow.
HA, yeah... take 'er easy!
You disappoint me.
I know, I'm sorry
I was going to switch near the end, but I honestly lost track of time
Vote switch happened approx 30 mins to deadline (8:00 being deadline in the timestamp here)
On July 14 2016 06:43 prplhz wrote: @emperorchampion How do you feel about lynching this Snickers person?
Personally I think that kush would be a better lynch since I didn't like his posts and I've found that snickers is straight up null so far. Like I would expect more from kush even from his low effort games.
kush > snickers > vorono >> no-lynch are my thoughts atm
I guess you meta'd snickers saying that he's active tho?
On July 14 2016 07:46 emperorchampion wrote: I don't see anyone :o
All 5 votes on snickers were locked btw, he's never convincing them to switch. So he needs to get absolutely everyone else to switch which very hard at best as Shape/vorono/Kruppe have been away for a while and is anyway impossible since DCW was confirmed not to be there.
He looks like best lynch to me before we get key information on KSC. Snickers flipping either alignment doesn't change much considering other two, where as if one of them is mafia, Snickers is confirmed mafia. If they're not, we're wasting a lynch on Snickers.
Pretty much that + he even tried to get people off the wagon, hence the Damdred post he made.
On July 16 2016 04:45 Vivax wrote: You're wrong people give a fuck about this game but since some guys made sure we couldn't lynch snickers we're stuck at groundhog day and there's nothing else to do besides trying to lynch him again.
If you want movement to come into the game then start making cases for snickers being town (if you want someone else lynched) cause everything else is uninteresting and won't change the fact he has to be lynched.
Honestly, they both are pretty god damm scummy ( at least reading till this post. I saw a Snickers post, but I haven't actually read read it.) and I would love to lynch them both.
And while I rather have a EMP lynch, mainly because the Snicker's lynch was a bit P'lynch in nature, Vs. the actual reasoning I have with EMP, I will consolidate because we NEED to have a lynch today.
On July 16 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote: Lol I think my goverment is being overthrown btw. Turn on Fox/bbc or something.
Yeah I saw that, Stay safe.
On July 16 2016 07:35 Snickers wrote: Theres no way there is not a fucking scum on me right now. These votes just pile on when
1. there isnt even a fucking case on me.
2. There has only been shitty reasons for voting me. You dont fucking policy lynch someone for inactivity day one. You dont fucking continue to go full tunnel into day two like prp is.
I have a town circle right now of me vivax, slam and dc.
That leaves ec,prp and ksc. I am down to lynch anyone of them today. I am also going to relook at the votes day one that piled on so easily.
ec was scummy day one before the deadline. So even if that was a mistake during the deadline that sucks for him.
IIRC prp has tunneled me and constantly shit up the thread.
ksc I have no clue about.
I also think skynx is scum I will analyze it more and give it a full post
Remind me to lurk when I roll scum. Seems like a great way to not be on read lists.
I will say this overall, if Kel/Emp flip scum, it doesn't make Snickers town at all. Likewise, if they flip town, it doesn't make snickers Mafia at all. Thinking like this, is horrible. That not even a good associative reasoning. Hell, all 3, Emp/Kel/Snickers, could be mafia, and they voted Kush to save Snickers. Likewise, All 3 could be town (unlikely), and voted kush because they actually thought Kush was a better lynch and derp.
Guys, I know Morale is low, for some reason. And I understand that.
But it is Day 2, and by pages alone, it looks more like we are in the closing hours of D1. Ik I haven't honestly been on much in the last day or two, but now I am. And if I have to play the Town leader role (dear lord, help us all) or town motivator role, I will.
Our Town atmosphere is shit right now. I am going to say it out right. We are not nearly productive enough to not be easily mutilated by mafia influence at any time rn. Nor are we honestly even close to being on board with the lynch (EMP vs Snickers) at this moment. Finally, a lot of people just seem downright waiting it out till one flips, if one flips I should say.
And While the lynch for today might be as of now, between those two. It doesn't mean we cannot start talking about other players. At most, those 2 each will be scum, and we will need a third member. Everyone today Minus Vovo (which he doesn't get a pass because besides me and EMP, I have little clue what his current ideas are) is basically settle with 1 of Kel/Emp/snickers being mafia. Great! Now lets talk about the rest of the team.
I want everyone to at least post who they are sus. of currently outside of those. I will work on a read list shortly, as I missed it yesterday and it will be out tonight or tomorrow at the latest. No sense in wasting a day not talking about it.
And if you have nothing to add in terms of content afterwards, and you see the thread dieing down. Don't feel like you cannot engage in small talk. Ik it isn't the most productive, but at least it keeps the thread engaged somewhat, and keeps the thread talking. I am not asking you to spam or anything, but it can help.
I am here, going to finish up the read list I started last night. I looked at the vote, and it is currently 3-3-1.
Idk wtf is going on, but we need to decided now. skimming thru, Kel, you think me/Sky/Emp is a team, yet you switch votes from Emp to Skynx? That makes no sense what so ever.
Well, now I have to relook at that read. We still need 3 people at least on rn who haven't vote or wanting to switch to have a lynch. And this claim is going to make it more complicated.
On July 17 2016 02:57 Shapelog wrote: I am here, going to finish up the read list I started last night. I looked at the vote, and it is currently 3-3-1.
Idk wtf is going on, but we need to decided now. skimming thru, Kel, you think me/Sky/Emp is a team, yet you switch votes from Emp to Skynx? That makes no sense what so ever.
the reason it doesn't make sense is because none of that ever happened.
On July 17 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote: Would never lynch town: DCW, Shapelog Town that needs to step up: Vivax, Damdred, haze Null: Kruppe Posting scummy shit scum: vorono Lynch right now scum: KSC, Snickers, emperor
What is different from me and the people that need to set up with reads?
On July 17 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote: Would never lynch town: DCW, Shapelog Town that needs to step up: Vivax, Damdred, haze Null: Kruppe Posting scummy shit scum: vorono Lynch right now scum: KSC, Snickers, emperor
What is different from me and the people that need to set up with reads?
Are you for real? Check your filter.
Check it? Bitch I wrote my filter.
Honestly, all I have stated recently is my sus. Do you even know who I consider town as of now?
KSC: Could be Snickers: Null for me as of rn. Emp: Done scummy things, Not sure about claim. Currently reading his filter, trying to piece together if it sounds like a newish Blue member.
Oh yeah Snickers, I typed this up, but forgot to posted it. [insert Snickers bar Joke here]
On July 16 2016 14:16 Snickers wrote: Shape log started the game super active and then didnt even vote day one. He was talking about consolidation early in the game and then didnt even vote. Guess who is the other person who talked about consolidation and didnt do it? ec. Skynx seems to be obsessed with people who switched votes but almost completly ignores shapes no vote, In conclusion, both are scum. [spoiler] Honestly I am fucking confused[/spoiler]/b]
Open up page 28 of the game cause this will make this easier.
#541 why does skynx call out dc,ksc and ec on not consolidating. But then defends shape in #542. I dont think dc and ksc were talking about consolidation, but damdred ec and shape were talking about it super early in the game.
Further down the page skynx talks about how he wants explanations from the "dodgers".
Go to page 29.
I dont understand how shape comes into the game and barely acknowledges his no vote.He mentions being afk He also does this weird fucking vig claim like a scum team is going to swap a kill in forty minutes.
On July 15 2016 14:24 DCWasabi wrote: Looking at these along with shape, mostly agree... long post from my phone lol.
Wouldnt it make sense that mafia is only hiding in the Kush voters if Snickers is Mafia?
If Snickers is town, then I believe that they could join the bandwagon since lynching a town Snickers would not appear scummy due to his lack of activity. And the vote was pretty close with players like me possibly returning at the last second (and mafia know I'm town).
If Snickers is Mafia, then of course they don't want to Lynch him, unless he was being bussed, but I find that unlikely because how the fuck did that vote not pass if mafia is voting him too, a few unforseen life circumstances aside, lol + O's Razor.
Or is it deeper than this? I don't want to get outplayed by some scum mastermind (cough, shape, cough).
Basically, 5 votes went through on Snickers. With KSC and emp originally on the wagon aswell, he would've been lynched. Now if he's town, I think they are not too bothered about it but a no-lynch is better for them and switching 1-2 votes is fine. The lazy votes last min kinda look like that. If he's mafia, they absolutely have to have come up with better reasoning for switching away from him cuz it will come back to bite them later on.
Also, 1 of them might be misguided town for whatever reason.
I dont understand how skynx constantly ignores shape.
And here is this final gem.
On July 15 2016 15:17 Skynx wrote: Most important thing to remember here is emperor did something he knew it was not the right thing to do while being 100% aware of it and then tried to cover it up.
This just seems very manipulative. Shapelog fits this post 1000x better than ec. Ec may have missed the deadline. He even posted after it. multiple people do that every game. But not voting when you specifically talk about it earlier in the game and your active as fuck??
Two minor things below in spoiler. [spoiler] I dont like how the two people called me scummy for not voting myself on day one was shape and skynx. yes you read that correctly. Also they keep talking about killing x y z and associative flips. Trying to plan the game.[/spoiler]
Overall Skynx play is not adding up. Shapes play looks worst than ec. I am not buying shapes recent post. He made some huge fucking post just listing a bunch of possibilites. The one below that one might be better I am to tired to check. I fucking see a ec, skynx and shape team. I think the bus is on ec since his fuck up is so noticeable. I dont know who brought up ecs vote. Buts its prty easy to says lets vote the people who fell off the snickers wagon and also looked scummy day one. I am having hard time figuring out why so many people want to make me and ec the possible wagons and not ec and shape. I dont understand how I got to five votes yesterday and four today.
Yeah I talked about being on the same page, back when LS was here. No wagon (other then LS really) even started emerging. I missed the vote because I have mirganes from time to time. And I am not going to waste time.
I also never called your vote scummy, If you look at my post:
On July 15 2016 07:58 Shapelog wrote:
On July 14 2016 07:55 Snickers wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: nnn_thekushmountains
I am starting with Snickers, because it is the easiest for me to see the motivation for. It is your standard survival vote. Honestly, it doesn't tell me too much, just do to the fact both town and scum do it (cough, Tumble) a lot. So nothing I can gather here tbh. Thought something about this post:
On July 14 2016 07:49 Snickers wrote: Yea i will definately consolidate but I think prp>kush. or slam>kush.
But realized that the main wagon was him :/
I never said it was from a scum. I said it could be from either alignment. I thought you could be scum in the case that Kush was killed for his reads. But other then that, that is it.
And I did acknowledge the fact that I absent,
On July 15 2016 07:18 Shapelog wrote: Hey guys, I am here.
I got a really bad margarine yesterday, and a lingering headache today. Better though. I try to squeeze out a read list either before Night 1 is over hopefully. In case somehow, my afkness gain me favor, and mafia sees me as a afk threat.
and about the vig claim, I thought the set up was Vanilla across the board, due to seeing 10 town, and 3 mafia in the set up. Hence it was a joke. I also made the joke earlier in the day, and even did so in my entrance.
[B]On July 12 2016 22:40 Shapelog wrote: Hi Guys!
Mafioso Scum (fake?)Claim for now, till I catch up. Might change it up to a town or higher ranked mafia role (fake?)claim, depending on how the thread makes me feel.
Like I understand your point about Skynx post. Yet, When i said it (30-26 hours before deadline), no wagons were beyond 2 votes, and snickers wasn't even being voted. EC did so a few hours before deadline. That's the difference.
And lastly, Skynx has actually pointed to me, and even brought up my scumgame in tortoise, where I didn't vote. Shortly after the lynch happen.
On July 17 2016 04:04 Snickers wrote: Yea but he brings it up as a fucking defense for you. And yes you saying either aligment can do it is calling me scummny.
You are literally calling me scummy for fucking voting day one. And guess what. YOU CANT VOTE FOR YOURSELF.
So he brings up a scum game for defense for me?
On July 14 2016 14:22 Skynx wrote: Also pointing out Shapelog did not vote in Tortoise mafia as scum in a very critical situation. Not much of an indicator in this situation cuz D1 vote should be super easy as scum in majority. Altho he might be thinking of lategame and jumping on kush last min would come back to bite him later on. Or he might be having internet issues.
Like the underline is the only thing here I see that could be consider defending, and that is a point that either side can make. Bunch of people who play w/ me before knows I have internet probs. time to time.
And No, me saying it is either alignment is null. Even later in the post, I said Emp/Kel was the sus. votes. I latterly just fucking said you were null as well. The only thing I called you sus. on, is if Kush got killed for his reads, which i cannot prove without lynching you.
You are literally calling me scummy for fucking voting day one. And guess what. YOU CANT VOTE FOR YOURSELF.
Keep working that angle buddy.
I mean, if you want your read in advance from my list, here it is:
Null (no order)
Snickers: Other then the Kush's got killed for talent world, I got nothing majorly wrong with him. He is starting to do stuff, which cleared the activity probs. I had with him back in day 1. And he is actually posting reads and casing. And while his case on me and Skynx is wrong (which I will get to later), He is actually again doing stuff. That said, nothing from him is outstandingly town yet.
Anyways, I am working thru if Emp's claim makes sense. I came across a few things.
Overall, his tone matches at this point, what I know as Emp's overall tone. Basically, mine on meth. Super happy and joy, and what I have seen him done as scum. that said, never saw him as town so that doesn't count for much. I am a bit wondering why he doesn't seem more...concerned? that normally comes with being blue. This i guess could be explained however, from finally rolling town, which as we know, he was hyped to do.
Outside of that,
On July 14 2016 00:59 emperorchampion wrote: As of the time of this post:
Won't lynch: Shaple praple Skynx Vivax Damdred Kruppe KelsierSC DC
On July 13 2016 13:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Dc I trust you man. Who should I vote?
Ec, lemme see if I understand this.. Last game prpl played less neutral and people scum read him for it. This game he is playing more neutral. And that means he is town why? If he were scum, wouldn't he also not want to act the same way that made people scum read him?
Tunnel on this point. Yeah it could, or it could not. I interpreted as town behaviour and it seems a lot of other people have as well, so the choice is yours. At least the other person who is still tunneling this point (DC) has the sense to scum read prpl, you didn't even do that. Not pickin up what you're throwin down, sorry
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
YOU STOLE MY SHIT!
Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.
Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.
If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.
If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)
So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.
What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.
Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
furthermore, if you lynch me when i flip town it gives you an excuse to townread empoleon, you can be all like "oh so they werent scum together oh well that invalidates my only point against this evidently upstanding town member"
I like that he made this point, because it was something that gives me slight misgivings about shape as well, since this is the exact thing that I tried to do my first game as mafia.
On July 12 2016 23:38 LightningStrike wrote: Rolf Shape we were asking each other the same question. So I don't know what think of it because it does seems like what Holyflare did to me in HO LY F * * * E Mafia but Holyflare is a vet though. If voro is scum eh picking on a easy target since emperor is a newbie but then again DC is considered a Newbie too because they both haven't played that many games.
dude i'm a newbie not empoleon, he has like 10000 posts.
empoleon looks like scum to me, you're saying "if he's scum" but nothing to suggest why this interpretation is valid
I get the feeling that everything was because he thinks I'm some scum mastermind LOL
In summary, I've liked his play in the second half of day 1. That said, his play in the first half of day1 was pretty scummy so he remains in this spot.
Read his Vovo read here, and look at the bottom. He says,
In summary, I've liked his play in the second half of day 1. That said, his play in the first half of day1 was pretty scummy so he remains in this spot.
And from what I know of blue plays, Blue's typically tunnel who they think is scum more then how a townie does. Here, he admits to Vovo having a good seconded half, yet, Keeps his read the same. This aligns with the point above.
Then the Kush thing also I suppose follows it.
And.....That's it.
Nothing else set off anything my mind looks for when reading to see if someone is blue. And honestly, it is not enough to tell either way. I found nothing that talked about blue roles in depth, or any of the usual tells I see. His claim timing is right for either side of the coin, and frankly, I am not sure if I believe his claim.
I really want other peoples opinion on the Claim (not if he is scummy or not) and if they see something.
And while I am at it,
On July 16 2016 23:00 emperorchampion wrote: @shape: I was at work, working, at the deadline. I lost track of time. Why would I try to convince damdy to switch with -1 minutes left in the day, I thought I had like 15 left? I did think that kush was a better lynch at the time over snickers (well that was obv wrong lol).
I like the post you made on reasons for kush shooting, and I feel like the only way of knowing is if we look at the snickers lynch. I can't help but feeling that both me and ksc are being set up as obvious lynchbait, and to a lesser extent kruppe too. Also shape, you're saying you want to consolidate but you're still holding your vote, I don't see the point.
@shape: who was your preferred lynch target d1?
I am holding onto my vote, to place were ever It is needed. Even though I didn't place it, I am pretty sure people know where I wanted it it go, Nor do I honestly use it enough as a weapon tbh.
Let's look away from the damdred post then. The vote switch from you was still a few hours before the lynch happen. So you did have time to see it. I will admit, if you are blue, the Kush thing could make some more sense. But, saying you are going to do X, restating X, and then not doing X, is concerning.
as of D1 lynch target. it pretty much is who ever I voiced sus. too D1 + anyone who would be afk. I wish I could say more, but i wasn't there. And as much as I would love to say you. or what not, im bias now.
On July 17 2016 04:20 Damdred wrote: I'm back from foods with the wife.
As for my reads
Town: Damdred Vivax Dc (Tentative) EC Shape
Nullish Sky Prp Snickers Keup
Scummy: Kel
It's kind of dumb that I have so many nulls. Like skyn is actually looking really good his latest posts so I don't think I want to Lynch him. In fact I might move him up because it looks so much and the tone feels like his town game now. I sort of like that read.
The problem with the others is that I like the thought snickers put into some of the posts and it's probably the work he really didn't have to do if he was getting lynched anyway.
DCyoungfly: I mean, unless the other other mason pops up, He is basically confirmed anyways. Unless Skynx pops up. Town (no order)
Dammy: Overall, I liked what he has done. Even with the drop, I believe the RL situation, and as of rn, it isn't that much of a concern for me.
Skynx: Feels like the skynx I know. Admittedly he could just be more active this game cause he knows that gets him town read, but d2 he has done much more better.
Town leans
Vivax: D1 was pretty good. D2 he slimmed down a bit, which made me think about his scum meta. Problem is, thread is so dead, I cannot tell if he is disinterested or actually following it. Shared a bunch of logic I had with LS, even if it was wrong. Town lean for now.
Chez/Slam (kuppee): Honestly, I don't want to lynch just because I love reading that shit. Funny enough, they have given out more reads on people (even if the reasoning isn't there) then other people. And while I still don't fully understand wtf the reads are on, I don't see or feel a need to lynch him.
Null (no order)
Snickers: Other then the Kush's got killed for talent world, I got nothing majorly wrong with him. He is starting to do stuff, which cleared the activity probs. I had with him back in day 1. And he is actually posting reads and casing. And while his case on me and Skynx is wrong (which I will get to later), He is actually again doing stuff. That said, nothing from him is outstandingly town yet.
Scum leans Prp: D2 plan for him is to lynch Kush's list. And seems hell bent on it as well. Pretty much focused on Snickers overall and his lynch. And even defends the other wagonie, to get his wagon on snickers. Outside of that, nothing else strikes me as scummy much, and would just like to hear him comment on anything outside of that. Or even on Snicker's newest posts.
Scum
Special Cases: EC: If it wasn;t closed set up, I could honestly be more certain rn about his claim. Some things point to him actually being vet in the post before this, yet,
DCyoungfly: I mean, unless the other other mason pops up, He is basically confirmed anyways. Unless Skynx pops up. Town (no order)
Dammy: Overall, I liked what he has done. Even with the drop, I believe the RL situation, and as of rn, it isn't that much of a concern for me.
Skynx: Feels like the skynx I know. Admittedly he could just be more active this game cause he knows that gets him town read, but d2 he has done much more better. I want to see btw, what he comes up with when (hopfully) a lynch happens.
Town leans
Vivax: D1 was pretty good. D2 he slimmed down a bit, which made me think about his scum meta. Problem is, thread is so dead, I cannot tell if he is disinterested or actually following it. Shared a bunch of logic I had with LS, even if it was wrong. Town lean for now.
Chez/Slam (kuppee): Honestly, I don't want to lynch just because I love reading that shit. Funny enough, they have given out more reads on people (even if the reasoning isn't there) then other people. And while I still don't fully understand wtf the reads are on, I don't see or feel a need to lynch him as of now.
Null (no order)
Snickers: Other then the Kush's got killed for talent world, I got nothing majorly wrong with him. He is starting to do stuff, which cleared the activity probs. I had with him back in day 1. And he is actually posting reads and casing. And while his case on me and Skynx is wrong (which I will get to later), He is actually again doing stuff. That said, nothing from him is outstandingly town yet.
Vovo: One post I really want to talk about.
On July 16 2016 23:19 vorono wrote: i apologize for lurking and doing nothing, i didn't actually read most pages to be honest shapelog, so i'm going to get engaged with the game now. but it is hard with no avatars next to posts.
On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote: Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.
First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?
@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.
Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?
Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.
Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol
I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.
Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow
this is a scumtell, townreading someone for wifom because he knows that prp is town. it's like, the reason that he gave is actually null and could be used to support prp being either alignment, but he has confbias from knowing that prp is town.
dj wasabi townie for questioning it, damdred also townie #120 is a good point
On July 12 2016 15:00 Skynx wrote: I'd wait til 2nd half of D1 to read emp.
idk if this is particularly out of place for this site but this reads like unnecessary posturing, why would you even need to say this it achieves nothing
On July 12 2016 22:39 emperorchampion wrote: I dunno this guy stinks, but lynch me for generating 3 pages of discussion and starting the game right?
this is terrible and weak-defensive, i was the only one voting him at this point
On July 12 2016 22:40 Shapelog wrote: Hi Guys!
Mafioso Scum (fake?)Claim for now, till I catch up. Might change it up to a town or higher ranked mafia role (fake?)claim, depending on how the thread makes me feel.
shapelog seems like the kind of guy who would say things like this always to make it difficult to work out his intentions
On July 12 2016 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: Good Morning Everyone,
I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share.
Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town.
DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment.
prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying.
For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution
Why do you have such a strong opinion on Damdy based on what he wrote on emc, but no opinion on emc at all? Doesn't seem logical to me. If his points are excellent you should share his views?
Applause! Applause!
Friend Vivax, you have earned a —certainly one of kruppe's favorites!— chair at Kruppe's table. Such wisdom is unparalleled by anyone other than Kruppe himself.
lol wtf is this he asked some null af early game probing question that is so easily done as either alignment. completely unwarrranted read
On July 12 2016 23:07 Shapelog wrote: And just gone again.
And he doesn't react to anyone (or LS more to the point) of calling the Emp post Null, despite being around. I would expect someone to at least be questionable about the person who is defending/white knighting someone that they consider scum. Not just ignore it. Then just coming back 2 hours later (if he left, I mean that post came 12 mins after Emp's), and just calling the guy scum again.
yeah i kind of didn't read shit lol.
i don't care if he calls the post null, tone reads are subjective and i'm ok with it.
On July 12 2016 22:59 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think KSC knows that Damdred just rolled scum in the most recent game lol. Anyways Vivax once you get fully caught up can I have your thoughts on voro vs emperor?
This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to.
On July 13 2016 00:34 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I think solving Voro and Emperors alignment wil be key on figuring out the scum team atm. @Emperor what you make of Voro pushing you atm?
Feels pretty bs/weak so I have a good feeling that he could be scum. Doesn't feel like reaction testing or anything like that so I don't know other reasons
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm. On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.
Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote: can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.
Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.
Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?
vorono
also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site
Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)
He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.
Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.
Ya I see what you talking about but idk I want to se his response to us talking about him.
On July 12 2016 23:56 Shapelog wrote: But advast,
even in the case that both are scum, we still need a third partner in crime.
Anyone outside of those two rubbing you wrong LS? No one really stood out out when I catched up expect kush, but kush always does.
No one is rubbing me wrong atm.
Tbf, you have talked about him (IIRC, or at least listed questions) about him before this. I would as well tho.
Is your bff read on Damdred still null or watching or whatever it was?
On July 13 2016 00:05 emperorchampion wrote: I dunno why people keep jumping on this meta train. To re-iterate, I don't think I'm "meta"-ing my read of prpl, like I'm not saying oh in town games he does this and in scum games he does this. Just an observation that he has a different idea of how to approach the game due to past failures.
Well it is technically meta.
Meta is referring to how you know someone plays normally. Now, 1 game shouldn't tell you how he is normally playing (which is some of the prob. that people have stated) but, you do go into the next game with a bias of how they should play, which is basically meta.
In your case, you called his actions different, yet gave him townie points. This is fine, with evidence or reasoning like yours if you prove it, but you still should expect people to question you about it.
Ik what your doing Emp, I did it too. It is why I am not pushing it more, because, I can/have see people like you do it as either alignment.
It not exactly outside of Damdred's scum wheel box yet I do need a little bit more time with him.
On July 13 2016 00:16 Damdred wrote: Emperor on the surface it is a half meta read from your experience.
But let's leave that for now, can you tell me any other reads or anything at this point? Maybe ls shape?
@LS while I appreciate a healthy amount of fear for my scum game I'm not so sure there is a point in trying to deter everyone from town reading me when I have a decent amount of content for that part of the game. What is your angle in this? What read do you have hidden about me that you haven't shared?
@Shape hi shape
I don't think anything you done is outside of your mafia wheel house atm I do need a little bit of time to figure you out. The KSC read on you were stuff you done last game hence my comment about KSC haven't read your last game.
Wut. The KSC read was about Damdys convo with emc. I think this is mafia LS, too many nervous posts + he's making stuff up here imo.
this post sounds wrong... the "wut" doesn't sound like a scumread, kind of
On July 13 2016 01:24 emperorchampion wrote: @ Vivax: what do you make of this LS post where he answers his own question?
On July 12 2016 22:59 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think KSC knows that Damdred just rolled scum in the most recent game lol. Anyways Vivax once you get fully caught up can I have your thoughts on voro vs emperor?
This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to.
Whether KSC knows about Damdred rolling scumin the last game doesn't really have much to do with my point. Even if he were to be more careful about reading him as town his opinion that the points are good is there and should influence his read on emc I think.
I gave my opinion on KSC already and called him null in this post:
On July 12 2016 22:55 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up now. Kush, KSC, and Snickers are currently null. Kush for saying I here but wanting to talk because he's tired. KSC had only only posted a list post for content wise. Snickers only post was asking if Kush's identity. Dunno how to feel about voro because I seeing it similar to Day 1 of another game with me and Holyflare but holyflare is a et so (shrugs). @Voro Do you got any other reads you would like to share?
Ya if he knew Damdred just rolled scum in the latest game here I think he would of be more careful about Damdred and might need to question emperor's alignment a bit more.
Maybe it's nothing but it feels weird to me
why would you ask this vivax is already scumreading lightning strike, it makes me think more they could be scum together
shapelog trolling i initially scumread the post in isolation but eh, the rest of his play is pretty townie and i think he just does this kind of thing as either alignment.
On July 13 2016 01:40 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe ponders; what happened to the infinite wisdom displayed by true friend Vivax, who is currently —most comfortably— seated at the largest and most illuminated table in the tavern?
Ah, but mayhaps Kruppe already knows. Bard Vivax's song is sonorous and devout, but a song is a poem is a tale. This is merely the beginning of the tale sung by friend Vivax; twists and turns, friends and jubilations, chairs and pastries! What wonders await us, dear friends of Kruppe? Kruppe admits to utter ignorance, solemnly sworn!
"what happened to vivax i expect more content"? kinda meh post after the previous one, he's only focusing on vivax for some reason
On July 13 2016 02:04 emperorchampion wrote: I think it makes sense to vote voronoi atm, so that's what Im going to do.
##vote vorono
what a stupid and unnecessary qualification for a vote, basically raw opportunism and he has never stated a scumread on me. only in weak / vague terms at least
On July 13 2016 03:03 Vivax wrote: LS how did you know I was town in the posts after you asked me if my vote on you was a scumclaim?
On July 13 2016 01:35 LightningStrike wrote: BTW I am mostly relaxed because Vivax is probably one of the worst players in terms of keeping the same reads over a period of time as he just changes his read every 5 mins.
And you think this is a description of my scum play or my town play?
Your taunts are clearly showing that you were thinking of me as town.
oh god, this is such a fucking terrible "gotcha", fucking awful. this guy is scum i was right
maybe nobody else sees how disgusting this is but it's just so bad. like he set up lightning swift to fall into the trap rather than being transparent about it. it's all for show.
On July 13 2016 04:10 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck you. Fuck you. Oh and fuck you. There is always 1 scum between Boro and emperor that why I said what I said.
Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that.
Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion.
saying "it doesn't make you look more town" shows a disconnect between vivax's opinions and the stances he posts in thread
it is basically acknowledging that lightning sprite obvtowned himself by being insulting (and he did), and shoving it aside.
On July 13 2016 04:50 Damdred wrote: Idk what the point of this is ls if you are town. Vivax accusations are founded on things that actually happened.
If you disagree explain why he's wrong, you throwing a temper tantrum just kinda reminds me of millionaire at this point. No real reason for rage or the sudden turn in attitude from nobody will ever lynch you to you being an easy ml?
even though it's wrong, in comparison this is actual reasoning for why lightning s could be scum, it's distinct from vivax's post because: vivax: "oh this doesn't clear you as town btw sorry i can still mislynch you" damdred: "this is scummy"
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i take back everything i said about shapelog, my reasoning was bad and i was reading those posts out of context. i think shapelog is town
On July 13 2016 07:47 Vivax wrote: Not sure if I should treat LS as modconfirmed town, but I will and otherwise the game is invalid.
i get why he says this but the transition is rather sudden and he seems otherwise unfazed which is scummy after tunneling him so hard
On July 14 2016 07:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: So I'm either scum trying to mind game you by acting too scummy to be scum or I'm town and I don't give a fuck how I look.
What do you think lesser?
don't care I have just hated everything you've posted
On July 15 2016 15:04 Skynx wrote: Either way, at least one of KSC/Snickers/emp is mafia for sure and I just don't see emperor ever being town here: Lets go by the facts to start
On July 14 2016 05:31 Skynx wrote: Na man I gotta go sleep, I have to wake up in about 6.5 hours It's gotta be snickers at this point. Don't let this be a no-lynch emp I have faith in you. Oh and if he comes in and pulls out a sicklucker I might just flip tables tomorrow.
HA, yeah... take 'er easy!
You disappoint me.
I know, I'm sorry
I was going to switch near the end, but I honestly lost track of time
Vote switch happened approx 30 mins to deadline (8:00 being deadline in the timestamp here)
On July 14 2016 07:32 emperorchampion wrote: ##unvote ##vote nnn_thekushmountains
However, he was most certainly here on the deadline. He could, if he wanted switched back to Snickers.
On July 14 2016 08:01 emperorchampion wrote: Damdy what do you think about kush's scum lean on you?
But anyway, why did he switched votes still? He knows his priorities:
On July 14 2016 06:43 prplhz wrote: @emperorchampion How do you feel about lynching this Snickers person?
Personally I think that kush would be a better lynch since I didn't like his posts and I've found that snickers is straight up null so far. Like I would expect more from kush even from his low effort games.
kush > snickers > vorono >> no-lynch are my thoughts atm
I guess you meta'd snickers saying that he's active tho?
but yet
On July 14 2016 07:46 emperorchampion wrote: I don't see anyone :o
All 5 votes on snickers were locked btw, he's never convincing them to switch. So he needs to get absolutely everyone else to switch which very hard at best as Shape/vorono/Kruppe have been away for a while and is anyway impossible since DCW was confirmed not to be there.
He looks like best lynch to me before we get key information on KSC. Snickers flipping either alignment doesn't change much considering other two, where as if one of them is mafia, Snickers is confirmed mafia. If they're not, we're wasting a lynch on Snickers.
i don't think it's as clear-cut as you think it looks
On July 16 2016 00:36 emperorchampion wrote: So Skynx is town, there's no way mafia makes that post. But you are very wrong about me.
this is comparable to the post he made earlier reading prplhz as town for pure wifom, and also a scumtell
On July 16 2016 00:52 emperorchampion wrote: I don't have a lot of time to play atm since my girlfriends dad is coming to visit this weekend, so there's that
this is a really nice post now please vote for Snickers
Why?
For info, no?
this is objectively the scummiest post in the thread!
On July 16 2016 07:35 Snickers wrote: Theres no way there is not a fucking scum on me right now. These votes just pile on when
1. there isnt even a fucking case on me.
2. There has only been shitty reasons for voting me. You dont fucking policy lynch someone for inactivity day one. You dont fucking continue to go full tunnel into day two like prp is.
I have a town circle right now of me vivax, slam and dc.
That leaves ec,prp and ksc. I am down to lynch anyone of them today. I am also going to relook at the votes day one that piled on so easily.
ec was scummy day one before the deadline. So even if that was a mistake during the deadline that sucks for him.
IIRC prp has tunneled me and constantly shit up the thread.
ksc I have no clue about.
I also think skynx is scum I will analyze it more and give it a full post
townie post, snickers is town
anyway i ran out of words let's lynch empoleon? ppl are hard townreading vivax which is sad but otherwise i would lynch him
First thing I want to note here, is tone. The "I Apologize...." is much different then from the tone I've seen from him this game. All game, he has display a very aggressive tone, and now is this Apologizing tone.
Next, the 180 on me. It honestly was the first thing I noticed about this post. Was the fact he town read me. The reasoning mostly comes from this:
i take back everything i said about shapelog, my reasoning was bad and i was reading those posts out of context. i think shapelog is town
There a few things to note here. Number 1 being that he most likely ran out of reasons to scum read me. I come to this basically do to the fact that all he was doing was reading(?) the thread/my filter for my posts, and commenting on them. I also refuted his reasoning on why those posts were scum as well.
However. number 2, is that him scum reading me was something I actually liked, even despite how wrong it was at times. What I mean by that, is that I was pretty much town read, and still pretty much TR crossed the board. This is also again noted when he scum reads Vivax, another TR person. I liked it, because it was a really..Whats the word? Odd? Read to push, in the since of ML capacities, and vivax again is another one. Plus, he actually pushed it as well.
It doesn't cover up the fact that those reads where kinda meh to began with. But my thoughts at least. + Show Spoiler +
oh god, this is such a fucking terrible "gotcha", fucking awful. this guy is scum i was right
Lol, What goes around, comes around *holds noose*
Then you got the rest of the post, which....I mean at least he talked about the rest of the thread? I honestly cannot follow it too much, because of all the links and stuff, and the jumps between the posts. Jeez, this must be like what it is like to read those thought-connecting posts I do.
Null rn, mainly because I want to see more from him.
Scum leans Kelp Vote still bothers me, even with explanation. Overall, Nothing amazes me, and quite a few things rubs me in the wrong way. I would put him lower, but I don't have a strong content reasoning (like a few others) to warrant anything lower.
Prp: D2 plan for him is to lynch Kush's list. And seems hell bent on it as well. Pretty much focused on Snickers overall and his lynch. And even defends the other wagonie, to get his wagon on snickers. Outside of that, nothing else strikes me as scummy much, and would just like to hear him comment on anything outside of that. Or even on Snicker's newest posts.
Scum
Honestly, EC was the only person who I strongly Strongly felt like he was scum. See below for details. Honestly, the lack of thread talk is making it hard to read the game overall.
Special Cases: EC: If it wasn't closed set up, I could honestly be more certain rn about his claim. Some things point to him actually being vet in the post before this, yet, His overall behavior and posts this game makes me really feel like he is scum. I would hate to fucking lynch what could be our vet, but with it being closed, idk what to find to prove him to be said role. I am honestly open to discussion on him. I have no clue if we should do the meta of letting him live 1 before Lylo (which is today right?) or what.
I mean, if he is vet, then it really fucking helps that he is. It elevates him from the lynch pool. I just cannot fig. out how to tell it rn.
Would lynch: anyone in scum land Wouldn't mind lynching if had to: Anyone in null land
On July 17 2016 04:55 Shapelog wrote: Who's here btw?
I'm in and out between doing shit.
I don't want a no-lynch. \
How long till deadline?
I'd rather Lynch Emp than Snickers, not sure if there are other viable candidates at this point that we can get a majority for.
Can people tell us now if they will be on for deadline?
I be on at least till 1 hour before Deadline.
Pretty much in the same place with the Bold. If we don't have enough people, no sense trying to think of anyone to switch too. No way in hell (unless 4 others come back) can we lynch anyone else.
On July 17 2016 05:19 Damdred wrote: I'll be here.
We aren't lynching an in cc role dc And my list isn't really ordered
Can I bez ur best Friend then?
About Emp, Normally I would agree. But A) I am horrible at telling Balance with Masons being in the game, and B) the close set up got me in a loop. Plus, if we ML, and a CC does happen, It is Lylo on those 2 tomorrow (if I did the math correctly)
Just in case something happens (since the sky is pretty meh looking right now), I am putting a vote on Snickers, as he is currently the highest voted person, and therefore has the highiest chance of getting voted for.
It places him at 5 btw. I Still will move if someone else I view as scummy pops up there, or a better person in my mind does, but since only 3 people seem to be here (1 being me) I going to go ahead and do it.
On July 17 2016 05:19 Damdred wrote: I'll be here.
We aren't lynching an in cc role dc And my list isn't really ordered
Can I bez ur best Friend then?
About Emp, Normally I would agree. But A) I am horrible at telling Balance with Masons being in the game, and B) the close set up got me in a loop. Plus, if we ML, and a CC does happen, It is Lylo on those 2 tomorrow (if I did the math correctly)
Generally speaking Masons are worth like .5 for balance, vets worth one. Another weak role like parity cop is very possible. (A number of like 3 is preferable so .5,.5, 1, 1 would be acceptable in this situation)
In a closed setup the roles aren't that important vet is especially susceptible because how it can't really be confirmed. Which is why we should put it off until tommorow especially if we hit mafia today.
Which I think there is at least one in prp/Kel if not two.
I don't like either of them, so if we could lynch them I be happy.
Looking at his filter, I see the posts you are talking about.
On July 16 2016 17:34 Vivax wrote: Youve bought yourself time in my book snickers. It would be nice if you could keep up. You dont have to blurt out activity like that, if you just posted in small portions but more regularly it would be better.
I feel like voting Kruppe now.
On July 16 2016 18:00 Vivax wrote: Or maybe Kelsier hmm..Happened often enough that I ping a mafia D1 and then let him slip. If Kruppe wastes his vote again the shenannies will be definitely happening though.
I could maybe see him wanting him to keep it up "It would be nice if you could keep up." But he was on 3 hours ago, and IIRC snickers/sky/ I was on.
I am getting off (got somewhere to go), If enough people somehow shows up to switch to one of them, I approve. However, if there isn't, just stay/vote Snickers, because we need a lynch.
On July 17 2016 08:07 Kruppe the Eel wrote: A night for celebration, friends. Come and join in the jubilous festivities hosted by none other than your favorite comrade, Kruppe! A triumph indeed.
But it is day out ye ole sir? Have thou not put ye contacts?
I never afk vote, I either don't vote, or pretend to be active and vote. (true story)
I guess I relook at my Vovo's read. idk, I might be giving him too much credit honestly on his target's for scum reads.
Kruppe's last min vote could be bussing but he's never mafia with kel
Regardless if he is super scummy or not, don't think like this till he flips.
On July 18 2016 04:28 Shapelog wrote: Lol, Vivax. You should know that me hammering a scum doesn't = townie points rofl. More about the lead up.
You want to avoid being TR for the inevitable loneliness that will follow when either Kels or vorono flips ?
Or do you need an excuse for not being NKd?
Or are you trying to be cocky as town?
Yes, got to be that Hipster. No, I honestly want to die, yet, unless mafia sees my pep talks as a more worthy target then at least 1 blue (DC), i prob. won't. Maybe, I been cocky all game. But i am cocky either way.
Well he went after me/Skynx/u overall, and even after the fact of me telling him my read on him was null, he keep wanting on about how I sr him off of his vote.
amdy and shape both mention that it's odd that he mentions to hop off, but never pulls through, I think this is good for cop check.
I was actually thinking about this while boiling tea. Snickers flipping scum kinda helps its IMO, as it would mean Vivax would had to be bussing (which is possible). But, I mean, your partner comes back, and starts doing stuff, and then you keep your vote on him?
As for me, pretty much just look at my odd list, and note that I reconsidering read on vovo. Hasn't really changed outside of that. Maybe Kel a bit lower.
On July 18 2016 10:55 Onegu wrote: Oh sorry just got a PM he was mad Shape wasnt modkilled for missing his day 1 vote. My bad thats the reason the game was ruined
Pretty sure I actually might get 1 game ban btw due to tortoise 5 game thingy.
Tbh, I honestly thought when i read it that it was because no one had a case or anything on him and he got lynched. I would say it sucks that I am the cause, yet I couldn't have done anything different on my part w/ having a fucking migraine.
On July 18 2016 13:10 LightningStrike wrote: Ya I think I need a break from TL Mafia not only because I feeling like I turning into more of a asshole but stuff been going on irl that really made me snap hard mainly my mom recently had one of her teeth pulled and her prior experience with getting one of her teeth getting pulled was so terrible that they had to do 2 Oral Surgeries just to fix the mistake from the dentist so ofc I was stressed with that going on in terms of recovery. In addition my dad had to lay off a couple of workers for the company he works for which I was sad but mainly it just my mom being ill and thought mafia would make me relax more. The main reason I quitting TL Mafia is though that I getting ready to go on vacation which should ease me up a bit but in addition I getting ready to start going to school again so ya I wont have time to play until December. I apologize to you Vivax I wish I didn't snap at you that bad. I will sit out the required games so when I do come back I can actually play right away. So now Bon Voyage to everyone here.
Sorry to hear, I got worried when i was talking to you. GL, see you later in the year/Around the subfourm!
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