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On July 13 2016 04:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways I think solving Voro and Emperors alignment wil be key on figuring out the scum team atm.
@Emperor what you make of Voro pushing you atm? Nowhere is explained how their alignments would help figuring out the scum team. Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 01:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways if I have to lynch anyone right now it would be Voro because his push is very weak but I wanted more people's opinions on him and Emperor because like I said solving both of their alignments will solve the game. One hour later he "wanted more opinions on them". He wants to lynch him because his push is weak. And still nobody knows how their alignments would solve the game. These are all not arguments for voron being mafia. For any town person he should be at best null, on a D1. When LS gets heat on him he intensifies the tunnel and adds another argument (bolded) that makes vorono at best more afk, not more mafia and was never part of his original arguments to begin with. To me it just looks like he's desperately trying to push attention away from himself by doing this. Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck it I voting my scum read now rather people think I right or wrong I don't give a fuck about it. Voro I think your scum because your push is super weak on Emperor and when I told you that the quote you quoted for voting him is NAI you refused to talk to me.
##Vote: vorono Caution meta and tone aheadthis won't be even up for debate for me cause I don't even need this argument to explain why he's mafia (if you have rebuttals then adress my other points thanks) , but if you accept meta as a reason and are acquainted with LS then it might convince you. + Show Spoiler +I don't even know why a town LS would add a "fuck it" in here when he's being suspected by 1 or 2 persons. When he's town he doesn't get this aggressive (heard about some lylo madness somewhere but that's not the same context). He actually tries to find out why he's being scumread and stuff, check this page of his filter from Holyflare mafia which 1. is recent, 2. has him as mafia's D1 target and he's being suspected by townies as well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafia?user=LightningStrike&page=3Simply compare his reaction to Palmar, HF etc. to the reaction here. I highly doubt I will lynch anyone else today.
I am not trying to defend LS here, but it is more then a weak push. It was Vovo's push and ignoring the rest of the thread that made LS (and me) think that he was scum. Not just the push.
Other then that, you summed up pretty much everything I thought.
On July 13 2016 04:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways KSC could be lurking mafia and so could kush because kush said he would catch up and do shit today but he haven't done shit today. KSC haven't done anything since last night could mean he rolled scum 2 games in a row for him.
Let's us our brains and my investigation skill on a DND character I have named Al Gore.
A) kush said he be here tomorrow (today), and it is 4:00 PM currently. He most likely is working today, since it is a week day, which you should know given his comments about it last game (or shouldn't maybe)
B)I cannot remember why KSC left, be he had a reason I think. And I know before the game start, that he said he would be less active. Not only that, but in the active game session, this idea is further pushed.
And we still have over 25 hours....
Why not Prp by this standard too as well? Prp idk anything about his personal life, but he has been out of the picture. Yet he is missing.
On July 13 2016 04:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck vivax I just was noingthem because I was surprised they weren't around so fuck you I hope you are mafia looking for a easy mislynch. Also step on a lego.
Be careful, telling someone to step on a lego could cause you to get ban for behavior issues.
But I just told you why (i think) they prob. won't be here.
Also, if your town, please don't cause yourself to get MKed. If needed, I step-up, stop being sarcastic, and be a middle man of sorts, so people won't get MK or removed from the game.
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Like honestly, idk why you are mad. Ok, someone called you scum. Big deal. Not only that, but you apparently know that vivax calls everyone scum.
I mean, yes, It is bastardizing as either alignment to be called scum, but there is no reason for it.
+ Show Spoiler +Honestly, I just don't want another game, to end, in a behavior relative issue, or something fucking popping up as a behavior issue post game. It is bothering me, cause i feel like i should be doing something to help, yet often, I cannot do to either my position in the game as a player, or because I try to hard to act so.
Idk
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On July 13 2016 05:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 04:23 Vivax wrote:On July 13 2016 04:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck you. Fuck you. Oh and fuck you. There is always 1 scum between Boro and emperor that why I said what I said. Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that. Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion. I threw insults at people in Storm you idiot. Step on a Lego you faggot.
God Dammit LS.
Just fuck it.
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On July 13 2016 05:09 LightningStrike wrote:
IDC at this point Voro is scum just lynch him.
Well Maybe you should.
I mean, I understand the stress of being called scum, regardless of alignment. But I cannot understand A) calling a faggot B) Just your temper over all. Out of all people, I expect you, to understand that those kinda of comments, considering how you act when someone uses the work Autistic in a negative way (which I support you, Autistic brother and I have special needs), is not ok. Not only that, but the player list this game, most either new, newish, or returning players, don't need to hear it. Especially when a bunch just got out of a game, that ended early, due to this kind of behavior.
But sense you don't care, either because you truly believe in this foolishness, or because of what ever, possible explanation. I suppose I move on.
I was going to ask you a question about this post, But I too afird that you lash out on me because of it.
On July 13 2016 05:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Prplhz was not really active player period. Kush and KSC are as town.
What about Kush last game?
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On July 13 2016 05:16 Damdred wrote:
It's not your fault shape don't let it get to you,
Ls is honestly going way over the line and I really don't think it has any place here meh.
Anyway idk kinda killed ny mood.
@Shape let's try to keep playing,
I think
Vivax
Shape
Dc
Are my stronger town reads currently.
I think emc could be scum still
That's kind if weak for me,meh
And I have like a million nulls where did I go wrong
It doesn't matter if it is your fault, it is your fault if you don't try to fix it. Or at least that is what I keep telling myself.
Eh, I post a read list in N1 or something. or before a lynch on me, if it ever happens. Most for the reason you have nulls.
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Let's assume that the scum team isn't something crazy as EMP/Voltire/LS, and one of those are town.
Who could be the last scum? I know I am asking a crazy question, that I doubt I can find answers too right now.
Damdred/Vivax (i suppose)/Wasbi all have done enough as of RN
Kel/Kush/Prp/Skynx/Snickers all are wild cards.
I am missing someone....
Kurpe is either Chez slam or offchance Moosy. And has actually done more then others.
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On July 13 2016 05:59 Damdred wrote:
Meh ls just go cool off somewhere.
Shape you thunk voir vs emc, is scum v town with emc being town in that situatiin?
Personally I don't think what either did has much bearing on the others alignment I think.
I kinda already said what I thought.
I can see (if Voir flips scum) emc as either scum or town depending on how it plays. Voir push so far reminds me of my bus posts that I've done.
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On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm. YOU STOLE MY SHIT! Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the  posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well. Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread. If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town. If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
On July 12 2016 23:46 Shapelog wrote:
Like, I just have probs. with both of them right now, but Vovo I have a lot of. If that makes sense.
This is where I am at in that regard.
EMP has done more sense then tho.
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Oh that wasn't a read list.
That was just me seeing who the A) in the game, and B) if i could remember anything about them.
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Active lurking for now btw.
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Please catch up before you respond to this.
On July 13 2016 06:34 vorono wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:33 Shapelog wrote:On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote:
can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means. Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none. Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name? vorono also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site OMG........ I DIEING RIGHT NOW XD omg....vovo...just try to get someone to look sus for not answer a question hahahahaha. Vovo....of all people...XD i'm not trying to make him look suspicious, i don't have a read on him yet. probably because of the strange posting style.
It came off to me as you trying to. Mostly because you lead off with it.
Personally, I am not even trying to read him(her? lol, I guess it could be Rsoul trolling mode). dude to it, and prob. either P-lynch them later on, or find something to read them on.
On July 13 2016 06:37 vorono wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Rolf Shape we were asking each other the same question. So I don't know what think of it because it does seems like what Holyflare did to me in HO LY F * * * E Mafia but Holyflare is a vet though. If voro is scum eh picking on a easy target since emperor is a newbie but then again DC is considered a Newbie too because they both haven't played that many games. dude i'm a newbie not empoleon, he has like 10000 posts. empoleon looks like scum to me, you're saying "if he's scum" but nothing to suggest why this interpretation is valid
Emps a Newbie btw. 2 completed scum games, and no town games. Posts is tracked on all threads across the site, and not all are mafia.
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On July 13 2016 06:41 vorono wrote:hey man. i looked at the voting thread before coming here and i saw people voting me so i guess i have to defend myself now.
You will also notice LS has been voted. I let you see why for yourself.
After all, he is in love with you right now.
On July 13 2016 06:40 vorono wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm. YOU STOLE MY SHIT! Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well. Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread. If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town. If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum. well i think prp is town but i'm not sure who khez is like is he in this game? didn't make any impression on me i reassessed my read and decided that i continue to be right in voting him.
Chez, who I think the smurf is mostly is, based off the smurf doing chez things (budding) and I mixed it. (its Kuppee)
see, I didn't know, nor anyone else, of your reads because you never posted them. Also, reassessed as in at the moment, or now, after he has posted more? I assume it is the first one, and if it is, like to here why.
But again, Please catch up first.
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On July 13 2016 06:44 Vivax wrote:
volvo doesnt sound like maf to me, but my opinion is in the minority this game so whatevs
So goth.
But serious tone here, Vivax, Ik and have read (and voiced) my sus. on LS. Hell, I wouldn't mind lynching him if he keeps up, and doesn't start being/acting town. Considering the fact that he literally pick up the "Lynch X" banner.
Not to mention he prob. will get MKed from the comment about you too. And added that, plus how much he bothered me, is why I am not talking about him.
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On July 13 2016 07:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 06:49 Shapelog wrote:On July 13 2016 06:44 Vivax wrote:
volvo doesnt sound like maf to me, but my opinion is in the minority this game so whatevs So goth. But serious tone here, Vivax, Ik and have read (and voiced) my sus. on LS. Hell, I wouldn't mind lynching him if he keeps up, and doesn't start being/acting town. Considering the fact that he literally pick up the "Lynch X" banner. Not to mention he prob. will get MKed from the comment about you too. And added that, plus how much he bothered me, is why I am not talking about him. I don't want him to get MKed or act town I just want to lynch him for rolling mafia. He learned to include rage outbursts as scum strat so it's just a good reason as the others. I'm just really annoyed at the attrition you and Damdred are giving me, Damdred mentioning how he has concerns and the such but not voicing them.You on the other hand seem so focused on Volvo and given the spammy nature all I see is the thread (which is 60 % you probably) jumping on this guy, but here's what I think.1. I still don't know a reason for people scumreading him besides him being perceived as overly sure on calling emc scum. LS added that one of him and emc must be mafia and that he has been lurking but I'm not seeing these reasons as valid. 2. He seems really calm and didn't try to adapt his opinion that got him scumread in the first place. 3. Someone like him is prime D1 lynch bait material. He doesn't know how we play and judge people
[u]: He has keep themkinda to himself, but did voiced them IIRC. Moistly about him being paranoid about him.
[b]: Yeah, I need to slow down. I think I am almost at 5 pages FFS. LS talk from me happen I think at page 3-4ish in my filter if you want to see it.
1. That is the reasoning and the thing with Kupple. I don't agree with LS's statement there. Vovo is here (or was) so I want to see what he does.
2, I always laugh at this, because so many guides say to act calm if your scum. For me it is NAI. about the read, True, he hasn't been stumbling with it at all.
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On July 13 2016 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 05:03 LightningStrike wrote:On July 13 2016 04:23 Vivax wrote:On July 13 2016 04:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck you. Fuck you. Oh and fuck you. There is always 1 scum between Boro and emperor that why I said what I said. Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that. Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion. I threw insults at people in Storm you idiot. Step on a Lego you faggot. ##Vote LightningStrike
Cool,
What else do you got?
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On July 13 2016 07:42 vorono wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:54 Shapelog wrote:On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm.
On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1. Well, I also have probs. outside of that. On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote:
can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means. Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none. Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name? vorono also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways) He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus. Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions. how the hell do you draw that conclusion from me calling someone scum, this is complete bs and reaching.
Show nested quote +He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus. like this implies that you know that empoleon is a mislynch, and if he is actually town that is scummy af. (because my reads are sometimes wrong) there is no way you could conclude this from information a town is supposed to have
So you did/were calling him scum?
It came off to me, that because you point out the fact and leading with "also you haven't responded" it sounded like you were trying to voice sus. on Kuppe.
About me supposedly knowing TMI, that is littlerly a memory copy of a description of a scum agenda. Or a part of it at least. That is a part of that agenda, and if I think you are scum, why does that not make sense for me to conclude (on Kuppe) that he is most likely someone you were trying to ML if scum?
On July 13 2016 07:49 vorono wrote:actually no you are calling kruppe a mislynch, i misread that. that's still awful. Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 00:22 Shapelog wrote:On July 13 2016 00:12 emperorchampion wrote:On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm. YOU STOLE MY SHIT! Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well. Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread. If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town. If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum. I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum? I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum. What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game. Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other. But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place. i think this is bad and you are scum by calling him scum while simultaneously accusing me for accusing him, which is just dumb and there's no reason to think that i didn't reach the same conclusion from the same evidence (which i actually did and i tried to explain my thought process). i think that empoleon's comment "so you think we're both scum" is the kind of interaction that partners will have together and you are trying to chain townies to your partner, so it could make sense for you to be scum together.
On July 13 2016 07:52 vorono wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 00:22 Shapelog wrote:On July 13 2016 00:12 emperorchampion wrote:On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm. YOU STOLE MY SHIT! Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well. Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread. If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town. If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum. I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum? I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum. What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game. Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other. But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place. furthermore, if you lynch me when i flip town it gives you an excuse to townread empoleon, you can be all like "oh so they werent scum together oh well that invalidates my only point against this evidently upstanding town member"
Yes, I did. I don't associative read the game (or try not to, tho i will admit I do sometimes rant about it) until a scum member actually flips. All my reads are based off of what that one person did (I was heavily chastised for it in certain games.) Yes, you might of had the same read, hell, lets say even the same logic. But, your actions to me then still sounded and looked scummy.
Call it bad all you want, it is something that works with me, and prevents me from tunneling into oblivion with XYZ scum team or bust.
I would be confused too, if someone stated that they thought it could be S v S. I obv don't know why he asked it, other then possibly that.
I never said I would think he is town if you flipped town, nor would I. Hell, wouldn't you think (given my position here) i would be forced to at least follow up on Emp's alignment based off it? Like, this is what I said:
But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
How does that come off as me saying that if you flip town, it would be Town v town in my POV?
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On July 13 2016 08:06 Vivax wrote:
I avoided talking about other stuff than LS so I can focus on one thing at a time. I wanted but refrained to talk a bit about Skynx. He seems different to me than in his last game at first glance. Less active and the posts feel different as well. Nothing more concrete until I do another dive though. I was too tunneled to really read much besides LS Damdred, volvo and shape.
I honestly want more out of him too.
Personally out of like the 4 games I seen/played with him. It could be scum indicative, but will have to see more. His scum game he had a strong entrance, even though he still posted less. Here, It is kinda mellow.
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On July 13 2016 08:29 vorono wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 01:28 Shapelog wrote:
Shapelog too good at this game.
Got one person already to claim scum. i don't like this and i think you are being deliberately ambiguous about it, especially since he was modkilled and vanilla town.
Excuse me, but how the is the bolded relevant to this first off? That came way after the fact, and honestly shouldn't be even in the mind when evaluating that post.
2nd, I made clear what I ment by it, and can quote if asked.
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