EPTWhy's that? I came around to QT and no hard townread of mine has been scum. I feel like I've played a pretty decent game.
I'm also kinda thinking it might be Jealous at this point, purely based on PoE.
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Why's that? I came around to QT and no hard townread of mine has been scum. I feel like I've played a pretty decent game. I'm also kinda thinking it might be Jealous at this point, purely based on PoE. | ||
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Damdred can never stay this motivated as scum with two trolly scummates. I know him well enough for that, he was hard enough to motivate during Imperial as is. Especially with all this suspicion he would've likely conceded by now. Same goes for Superbia after rolling scum 29348 times. He doesn't do that play, he doesn't get as agitated during EoD when he might get lynched and he wouldn't be this involved. GB is confirmed town from the shot. JVJ gets a pass until LYLO for lynching scum and generally very town-oriented play. Skynx is very town for his case on me and just very genuine towny things in his filter. I guess it kinda could be TW? But I had good vibes about him earlier. Jealous fits the most, feels a little mechanical at times. ##Unvote ##Vote Jealous | ||
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On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote: Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements! It was hard for us all to stay motivated. Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops. But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird. As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum. Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. True, if you want I can provide additional argumentation. You're terrible at faking emotion. You tried it once in Millionaires and it looked awful but people still insta townread you since Emo Damdred = town. Since then you've talked a lot about how emotions shouldn't be used to confirm people as town and try to move away from it. Especially with people now knowing you're capable of faking it, I really don't think you would play this way at mafia, let alone be capable of playing this way. You've just felt extremely natural this game. Jealous hasn't and is highly likely to be mafia. | ||
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On June 28 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote: Yeah just read some filters and I wish I would of hard pushed him after his reads lists. Which is to bad, see strange progressions. But sk is strange to, though the attitude of righteousness (this isn't meant as an insult) I'd have a hard time seeing coming from a newb. He's pretty aggro really all I'm all not sure if I believe he could be scum here. But he does have a couple weird progressions like the one super pointed out, inability see me coming from town. I thinknive been pretty Towny this game, activity has been good. Idk I think I could of solo carried scum team but would of had to hard bus moose and ec, especially ec. I've been wrong at points but that's what mafia is about, I made a couple good choices and two-three bad ones. Alas. Sk is just (almost) never going to be scum this game. Way too confident and pushing stuff. Afaik his scumgame was pretty bad? I recall others saying so. | ||
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Damdred is town. I'm going to try to explain why. I want everyone to read this post and let it actually sink in. Think about it for half an hour or something to avoid kneejerk/tunnel replies. People aren't mafia because of inconsistencies. Town tends to be much more inconsistent than scum. People also aren't mafia because they happened to do things that aligned with mafia objectives. People are mafia because they're mafia. That sounds incredibly obvious, but it's something we often forget. Lots of these cases on Damdred revolve around proving he's been inconsistent, or doing things that fit mafia objectives, but it doesn't matter because they never asked the fundamental question: Is Damdred capable of playing this way as mafia? Answer: He is most assuredly not. I've got a decent amount of experience playing with Damdred, including in one of the longest and hardest scumgames there was. We had a team of Damdred, Ritoky, Superbia, Marvellosity and myself and the thread was over 600 pages long, yet there were often moments where it was difficult for any of us to get motivated to play. There were moments where we wanted to resign, and probably would've if it wasn't for each other and the good position we were in. It is my fundamental belief that Damdred would've given up already a long time ago. On top of this, as I've stated, Damdred is notoriously bad for faking emotion. When he's suspected as mafia, he often becomes trolly/happy because he doesn't like playing scum. This is especially true when his team sucks (which would've been the case here). As town, he becomes emo/unhappy and it either motivates him enough to try harder, or he just gives up and votes himself. In this case given the way the game's been going, it's been the former. We've seen plenty of examples of how Damdred's been unhappy littered throughout the game and they came at the moments you'd expect. Damdred's tried faking emotion before and it wasn't particularly believable. He's just not very good at it. The Damdred of this game has had an extremely natural progression in terms of emotions and tones that he could not fake. He doesn't like playing scum and surrenders when it's impossible to win. Damdred is not mafia this game, and I plead for you to believe me on that. I believe Jealous is, though I'm not quite certain on it. I do know Damdred is going to flip green. Please take a bit of time to take this post in and don't give a kneejerk response to it. | ||
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On June 29 2016 05:29 Jealous wrote: I won't really take the 30 minutes necessary because the majority of your reasoning is meant to appeal to veterans and people with direct experience with Damdred, which means there is no way for me to refute them or support them. I just want to say that these meta reads are all very lame. Your entire play so far in this game has been meta-based and you pushed the few people you have no background information on (QT, myself). This is really weak in my opinion. You refuse to look at certain people based on God-knows-what, you place weight on prior experience working WITH the person without considering that perhaps they have changed their approach knowing full well that they can't be the same person they were when they were scum with you, because that'd be too obvious. In fact, you are talking down to Damdred about his abilities as a player (even though he is "one of the best" by his own words) if you think his persona is so static and predictable. Please, look within the confines of the game. It doesn't really matter whether you think they're lame or not, they're correct. Damdred and I can't both be mafia so either my reasoning is 100% sincere, or he's Town anyway. Since I'm being sincere, you can be certain that I'm not trying to mess you about or fuck with you. There's certain things you know about a player after playing with them for long enough that they can't change, or are just innate to them. I'm not saying he can't play a great scumgame; I'm saying he can't play this scumgame with this team. I believe that to be entirely impossible. Furthermore, given I've pushed people that I haven't played with (and also used non-meta reasons), clearly it's not my entire play. It's a major part because all that matters is whether players are capable of playing the game they're currently playing as mafia. If the answer is no, you know their alignment. | ||
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On June 29 2016 05:50 Jealous wrote: 1. I agree with this. I do believe your reasoning is sincere in the sense that you truly believe it. I also don't trust your reasoning because I can't trust someone who blindly pockets people (Chezinu). 2. I understand where you're coming from, but “overconfidence precedes carelessness.” You are so confident in your subjective experience and understanding of the people behind the aliases on this site that you are willing to overlook concrete evidence. I like how you use "your mislynch" to further incriminate me in the eyes of the reader. I am only pursuing this because 1. I've "got some good logic going" and 2. I, like you, and truly sincere in my analysis. This is the clearest scum to me right now so I'm pushing it with tangible evidence at a time when everyone else seems to be dozing besides Superbia and TT. I'm doing this for the good of town. As I mentioned earlier, if I do all of this and Damdred were by chance to flip green, wouldn't that look terrible for me if all I had to do was vote for him and cite my D1 reads? I might not be an experienced player and therefore not a strong player, but I'm not retarded and even I can see cause-and-effect on an a->b level. Speaking of which, if you were scum and Damdred does get lynched and he is green, that would look great for you, wouldn't it? You made such an impassioned case with pretty formatting and an appeal to the in-circle of TL Mafia. If you were scum and I got lynched and flipped town, that might be a slight hindrance to you but nothing you wouldn't be able to work your way out of considering so many others are also on this wagon and because you have pocket buttbuddies in Chezinu and possibly Damdred (from his posts, at least). This is an interesting hypothetical, something I'd want to explore if Damdred does indeed flip green, which I doubt. For now, I'm sticking to my guns. It's won one game, it may win another. Honestly it just feels that you're scum to me because of the... opportunisticness you're displaying? You're lining up my potential mislynch now for if Damdred flips green, which is something I'd expect from scum. You're not taking the super easy things mostly such as people talking to others as if they're confirmed town (TT used it on Damdred) because you know they're cheap shots. I only worded it that way because I feel like everyone else is pretty townie and the way you're going about makes me feel pretty confident that you're mafia. There was also just some actual sympathy for you, not gloating about it. I sincerely believe you're scum and I am sincerely sorry that you're likely to get lynched because people get townread for stupid reasons. Mafia doesn't necessarily reward those who play the best. I've experienced it plenty myself where people end up with stupid townreads that are correct because they just would never do it as scum; dumbtells were common in that regard. As for the Chez read, I'm sure you're aware it's obviously a joke. Your frustration regarding it also further fuels my scumread on me, as I believe it's a mislynch that you need as mafia. Rest assured that I won't keep that joke going should it get to LYLO, but I doubt I'll be alive that long. | ||
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On June 29 2016 05:55 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis my reasoning behind scumreading damdy is far from his inconsistencies. It is much more because of his siding with EC and his reaction to my named VT claim I sided with EC as well in the sense that I thought he was town. We can't both be scum. | ||
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On June 29 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: I'll be up for some discussion tomorrow irl but Art, as much as i have faith in yout honesty we should stick to facts. I'm sure Damdred is mafia as much as you believe he is town so we're getting nowhere here. So here is a logical man's way out: if Damdred is going to get lynched, we should try to get as much as info out of it in case he rolls town. I feel like the remaining mafia (in case its not D) is someone we are not even considering right now. I suggest everyone be active as much as they can tmox cuz scum WILL drop something. Nn I doubt you believe Damdred is scum as hard as I believe he's town. I'm about 99.999% certain he's town. As for if it's not Jealous, there's a few people I think miiiight be scum. Also, I don't want to diss your scumread, but I would like you to take into account the amount of experience I've had playing with him and factor that in. That sounds incredibly egocentric, but please, believe me in it and try to see his play from a town point of view. | ||
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On June 29 2016 06:33 Tumblewood wrote: gonna take a break but before that a quote from art that makes him supah town in my mind just a real nice indication that art cares about putting town on the right track. this is an attention-to-detail thing as scum; I don't think scum!art is thinking to include this sentence, I just don't. You also get additional brownie points for reading my post thoroughly  | ||
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On June 29 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote: Sadly I haven't built a case and I'll try to get it done by tommorow but I kind of think it's between Jean and you. Maybe tumble in a distant third but I doubt that one. And the way you are interacting with me does get you something. Tumble is never scum here. | ||
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Artanis Damdred GlowingBear Tumblewood Skynx 100% confirmed town BFF Chezinu | ||
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We elect a mafia mayor, he lynches mafia D1, then we proceed to shoot mafia N1 and lynch the bussing mafia mayor D2. Best game. | ||
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On June 29 2016 07:55 Tictock wrote: Fuck it, lets do it. In the hopes of making this the best game ever. ##Vote: Jean Valijean Alternatively, this could be the worst game ever where we lose from 9v1, starting with lynching one of our strongest players that was unshootable and lynched mafia D1. | ||
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