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I mean, I guess I can't do anything that would be unfair to everyone else.
Keep in mind that I'm not going to defend myself, so do whatever you want.
Tumblewood on Shapelog
Post #292On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:My reasoning on Shapelog:Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are: Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. I am not trying to read him lol. I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on  . and Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 07:55 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 07:48 _MexicanAlien wrote:
So first shapelog suggests talking about blue roles, then he lists the reason for each blue role to not need help.
Very good reasons. Yeah i was revising the logic on it after Deathfy posted about it. Also I am always Sus. on my D1's, Both as Blue and Vt due to my reactive, blah blah blah trolling playstyle Yet to roll mafia sadly, thought this would be the one =(. In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before. He says that Shapelog is mafia for posting that he is town.
Post #462On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post
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Shapelog still reads scum to me
Post #612On January 28 2016 09:10 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 08:07 Trfel wrote:
EBWOP: Why is Eden1892 scum? I don't care about why I'm town.
Also, I really do think that Tumblewood is town, but I would really appreciate him answering my question, since I could be wrong. I'm going to assume you meant this question: Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 06:26 Trfel wrote:
Tumblewood, can you share why you are scumreading Shapelog at this point, please? I don't believe you've mentioned this in a while, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm scumreading Shapelog because he's acted exactly how I would expect a newbie mafia player to act. First, he made direct, offhand allusions to his alignment ("Unless your scum team kills me") that were worded in a way that is very unnatural for a comment like that. More recently, he posted a comment that I found to be odd. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:34 Shapelog wrote:
Like sure his above posts are good. But they are 2 posts. And one of them is about set up (which thank you btw Eden for taking the time to explain) I don't think that warrants a strong TR.
Idk you have played with Eden b/4. But to me it sounds like your trying to buddy/pocket him. Shapelog is just throwing an accusation out (trying to buddy) without much support at all. You can have a town read with few posts, and saying someone's trying to buddy in that situation is really off-putting. He also said many times that he wanted to filter dive certain people or that he wanted to revisit my case on him and never followed up. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:04 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote:
Look right now even. He has nothing to say except to call people bad. He's in the thread while real, meaningful reads are being given, and he's pointedly not doing anything constructive. And we're supposed to believe this is tryhard town Onegu? Please. Eh i let you guys duel. It is 3 am. I am done. For shapelog in da future: Catch up Filter Drive: Onegu Deathfy Kush TW - I want to vist that scum case on me again. Low active people. It seems like he wants to act like he's suspicious of people without actually caring about the cases for or against them. It's been a little separated / disorganized, but he's said a lot of scummy things that people are overlooking.
The thing is, each and every one of Shapelog's posts that Tumblewood mentioned were posted AFTER page 16. AFTER Tumblewood said that Shapelog was scummy for the things that he did before page 16. This is a direct contradiction.
It's also not possible that Tumblewood is just that convinced about people who say they are town being mafia, because he didn't react the same way about darthfoley's claims as town. Though even if this were the case, Tumblewood's play is still logically inconsistent and his read explanations don't fit with this mindset.
I'm having a really hard time seeing Tumblewood as town. Tumblewood, could you please answer?
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I doubt I'll have much time at all tomorrow. I still have to finish a homework assignment for a class, and the class ends at the deadline. I might be semi-active on my phone, but yeah.
Anyway, it's too late, I need sleep. Good night (or rather, good morning).
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I mean if anyone wants to actually talk about anything?
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Well, that really killed the thread. I didn't realize I smelled quite that bad.
I mean, I don't know why people just don't want to play mafia with me, but if I'm actually that obnoxious I'll stop. Like seriously, just tell me, and I'll stop.
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I mean, I may be lousy at interacting with people, but believe it or not I do have some analysis ability, enough to talk about reads 
I mean, I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now.
I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia.
His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum. Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me).
The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread.
I think that PepperMintTea is town and always have. I've generally found PepperMintTea's posts quite insightful, particularly the early read on Shapelog (the nervous/anxious thing, that's an emotion I've commonly felt as town). Generally, players who post actually insightful info and seem to be putting out their own thoughts to solve the game are just town.
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Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative?
Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood?
And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice.
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I mean, right now he's probably sleeping. But that aside, look at the effort he put into his first analysis post on Shapelog. Detailed, clear explanation. Since then, his reasoning hasn't been so detailed and has felt a bit shallow to me. I'm not paying any attention to his recent inactivity at all.
The problem with talking now is that if he actually is mafia and getting complacent, he'll probably snap out of it, making it harder to conclusively read him as scum.
It's pointless to say that someone's town read is stupid unless you think that the person is actually suspicious. It simply doesn't accomplish anything. The way that Alur's read on Kuragami42 changes from talking down other people's townreads to his strongest scumread for the same reasons throughout feels unnatural and reactive.
I'm not sure about Alur, which is why I'm looking for people's thoughts. Thanks for sharing  Recent inactivity aside, do you agree with what I'm getting at, or am I just being dumb?
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On January 28 2016 18:27 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative? Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood? And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice. If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline. He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up. Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may?
If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time?
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On January 28 2016 17:08 _MexicanAlien wrote:
To clarify my point:
Ikidomari town reads Jesus because of Jesus' arrogance.
Ikidomari votes to lynch his town read.
Ikidomari says his read on Jesus changed.
Ikidomari claims his read changed because of Jesus' arrogance.
So according to Iki, Jesus being arrogant makes him
1. Unhelpful Townie
2. Mafia Scum
CONTRADICTION
I mean, I know you didn't ask me, but....
Ikidomari actually said that he was reading JesusIncarnate as both town and scum in the same post. I don't feel that this is scummy, and it comes across more like carelessly towny to me. His townread on JesusIncarnate wasn't very strong to begin with, and it is reasonable to go from a weak townread to a scumread. Ikidomari's explanation of his read changing in response to darthfoley's case on JesusIncarnate also makes sense.
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On January 28 2016 18:40 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 18:34 Trfel wrote:On January 28 2016 18:27 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative? Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood? And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice. If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline. He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up. Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may? If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time? I feel the timestamps are important in your quoted posts. He makes a read on shapelog based on initial posts, the follow up is about 2 hours later , makes sense that he still has the same posts in his mind and responds the same way. Then it's about 8 hours until the next time he answers, he bring up the original points and then adds in the newer posts than reinforces the read. I can follow that train of thought. I'm going to read over tumble more carefully at lunch because I think I might be wrong. Date change..... like 13 hours in between the first two posts.
Anyway, I could be wrong about Tumblewood too, but right now I don't see it. I'd also like to bring up that he read my case on him, but didn't respond, and then voted on the leading wagon while yet again matching his reads with the thread sentiment. I really wish that he would interact with me more so that I could either confirm my read or realize that I'm wrong.
But I'm not really thinking that I'm wrong right now.
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Anyway, I really need to get off to bed. At this rate, maybe I should just pull an all-nighter
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Please don't accuse me of lack of effort or care for what people say. I do misread things, and I do make mistakes. Both of which I do a ton. But I don't dismiss people's reads without paying them any attention.
I shared my honest opinion. Disagreements happen. I can see a few ways that this could come from town, and when I look at the overall picture of JesusIncarnate's play, I feel that he is more likely town.
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And for the record, my roommate actually locked me out of my room.
Like, what the actual heck.
So I guess I'm staying up all night. I'll be doing homework, but if anyone wants to talk about anything, just let me know.
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Oh.
Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari.
Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate.
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On January 28 2016 19:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate. What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first. I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still.
Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural.
His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective.
I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now.
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If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads.
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NAI means not alignment indicative, for anyone still wondering.
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I mean, mechanically speaking:
The best play is to simply not talk about this any more and just not lynch Kuragari42.
The reason for this is that time will make this more clear than any amount of analysis, since in time more information about power roles is revealed. Further, talking about this more only gives mafia additional information.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, which is also possible, I suppose.
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I guess I was misinterpreting the situation.
##unvote
##vote Kuragari42
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I'm actually starting to get cold feet....
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