• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:02
CEST 16:02
KST 23:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues22LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers?
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group A [ASL20] Ro16 Group B Is there English video for group selection for ASL BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Iron Harvest: 1920+ General RTS Discussion Thread Diablo IV S10 Infernal Tides Guide Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1352 users

Pick Your Power: Intriguing - Page 21

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 288 Next
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:04 GMT
#401
On January 19 2016 13:52 Keirathi wrote:
Koshi's entrance and "dumb tell" things kind of piqued my interest but it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him.

People always doubt dumbtells, but I've never seen mafia fake them. I'm sure it can happen, but I'm also sure it is super unlikely. What do you mean " it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him" ? Is he known for making fake dumbtells ?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 14:05 GMT
#402
I don't really think Ezio is that good, even for Mafia. Why strip one personof their power when there are plenty of other roles that would let you kill them plus do other stuff /shrug
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:08 GMT
#403
On January 19 2016 21:10 Onegu wrote:
[image loading]

LOL
If you can post that you can also change your number to something that hasn't been picked
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 19 2016 14:09 GMT
#404
On January 19 2016 21:18 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 15:09 Breshke wrote:
I think mass claiming is a good idea just not D1 obviously

mass claiming d1 is generally fine unless there is some kind of a witch role that matches players with roles and murders them.

there's too many targets for mafia to kill, and it really helps

Isn't that exactly what Ezio does?

On January 19 2016 22:59 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Is making everyone pick roles based on pick order really that great? For some roles you can directly hold people accountable cos announcements but for others I'm not really sure how you can tell what they are doing. Also there's the risk that mafia get the ezio role

This being said I have no better alternative.

Man, Ezio is kinda bad compared to others for town, but super good for mafia. Should be in the "policy" category IMO.

I think directing the role distribution is super good though:
- we can hold people accountable
- if someone important is for example roleblocked, we have a list of person that couldn't do it
- it assures town to have good roles

Okay, how would this picking by pick order work exactly?
Like once the pick order is established. We start with the first person to announce which role he/she wants and that has to be one of the roles very good for town? Which would also mean everyone would know everyone's role from the beginning.

Another advantage would be the minimization of overlap and therefore wild card mysterious challengers in the game.

Still not 100% about this, so if someone could explain a bit more in detail what the actual process of picking by pick order would entail that would be appreciated.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:11 GMT
#405
On January 19 2016 23:05 Keirathi wrote:
I don't really think Ezio is that good, even for Mafia. Why strip one personof their power when there are plenty of other roles that would let you kill them plus do other stuff /shrug

I'm pretty sure there is some broken claim combinaisons we can do as town (the two det + Watson claim that was proposed is a good example), and Ezio destroys the first attempt at that. He's also a roleblocker. It's written "once per game", but I assume this only counts for the "destroy the ability" part, not the roleblock part. I asked to be sure.
It's true that if the RB is also part of the "once per game" stuff, it's a kinda bad role; but I don't think it's the case.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 19 2016 14:13 GMT
#406
Oh read ezio again, remembered him wrong. Though he could deal KP. You know him being an assassin and stuff. xD
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:15 GMT
#407
On January 19 2016 23:09 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 21:18 Palmar wrote:
On January 19 2016 15:09 Breshke wrote:
I think mass claiming is a good idea just not D1 obviously

mass claiming d1 is generally fine unless there is some kind of a witch role that matches players with roles and murders them.

there's too many targets for mafia to kill, and it really helps

Isn't that exactly what Ezio does?

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 22:59 Rels wrote:
On January 19 2016 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Is making everyone pick roles based on pick order really that great? For some roles you can directly hold people accountable cos announcements but for others I'm not really sure how you can tell what they are doing. Also there's the risk that mafia get the ezio role

This being said I have no better alternative.

Man, Ezio is kinda bad compared to others for town, but super good for mafia. Should be in the "policy" category IMO.

I think directing the role distribution is super good though:
- we can hold people accountable
- if someone important is for example roleblocked, we have a list of person that couldn't do it
- it assures town to have good roles

Okay, how would this picking by pick order work exactly?
Like once the pick order is established. We start with the first person to announce which role he/she wants and that has to be one of the roles very good for town? Which would also mean everyone would know everyone's role from the beginning.

Another advantage would be the minimization of overlap and therefore wild card mysterious challengers in the game.

Still not 100% about this, so if someone could explain a bit more in detail what the actual process of picking by pick order would entail that would be appreciated.

I don't know how we could do it in details, but in general it's good for the reasons above. Especially the lack of mysterious challengers; after all, there are only 8 mafia, if everybody picks good roles, it means 14 townies has separate and good roles.
I didn't count the number of roles but I assume there are more than 22. p:

Now for the details, I suppose we just go down kita's tier list, like people just announce what they pick and we can talk about it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:17 GMT
#408
On January 19 2016 21:16 sicklucker wrote:
onegu you can have 1.1 if you pick dream flower. do you agree? if not im going to have someone take 1.1 so neither of you get it

This is brillant.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 19 2016 14:19 GMT
#409
On January 19 2016 23:13 disformation wrote:
Oh read ezio again, remembered him wrong. Thought he could deal KP. You know him being an assassin and stuff. xD


EBWOP
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:19 GMT
#410
Caught up.
On January 19 2016 13:34 Damdred wrote:
It sort of does, oneg trolls in x way as town and t way as scum. Its just hard to quantify.

but yeah couple town leans at this point.

Since you didn't state them, can you expand ?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
January 19 2016 14:21 GMT
#411
I vote onegu for dreamflower. Great plan koshi ill make sure my team N1's you
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
January 19 2016 14:23 GMT
#412
On January 19 2016 23:19 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 13:34 Damdred wrote:
It sort of does, oneg trolls in x way as town and t way as scum. Its just hard to quantify.

but yeah couple town leans at this point.

Since you didn't state them, can you expand ?


I'm not sure that damdred knows the actual answers you would need to ask geript i think.

I also dropped it because while geript can give some nice meta reads I don't think you are going to get much from this one im fairly sure it is more of a "feelings" thing. But lets see
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 19 2016 14:24 GMT
#413
Reminder: The pick order phase ends tonight at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) in .
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:24 GMT
#414
On January 19 2016 23:23 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 23:19 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
On January 19 2016 13:34 Damdred wrote:
It sort of does, oneg trolls in x way as town and t way as scum. Its just hard to quantify.

but yeah couple town leans at this point.

Since you didn't state them, can you expand ?


I'm not sure that damdred knows the actual answers you would need to ask geript i think.

I also dropped it because while geript can give some nice meta reads I don't think you are going to get much from this one im fairly sure it is more of a "feelings" thing. But lets see

I'm asking for his townleans p: I saw geript's "Mm can't really explain this feeling" post, seemed super townie to me.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
January 19 2016 14:29 GMT
#415
On January 19 2016 23:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 23:23 Breshke wrote:
On January 19 2016 23:19 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
On January 19 2016 13:34 Damdred wrote:
It sort of does, oneg trolls in x way as town and t way as scum. Its just hard to quantify.

but yeah couple town leans at this point.

Since you didn't state them, can you expand ?


I'm not sure that damdred knows the actual answers you would need to ask geript i think.

I also dropped it because while geript can give some nice meta reads I don't think you are going to get much from this one im fairly sure it is more of a "feelings" thing. But lets see

I'm asking for his townleans p: I saw geript's "Mm can't really explain this feeling" post, seemed super townie to me.


Yep derp soz

Also there is a chance FF is choosing 7,1 because i told him that was free but he never really said anything about it. Just a warning for ya
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:33 GMT
#416
On January 19 2016 23:29 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 23:24 Rels wrote:
On January 19 2016 23:23 Breshke wrote:
On January 19 2016 23:19 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
On January 19 2016 13:34 Damdred wrote:
It sort of does, oneg trolls in x way as town and t way as scum. Its just hard to quantify.

but yeah couple town leans at this point.

Since you didn't state them, can you expand ?


I'm not sure that damdred knows the actual answers you would need to ask geript i think.

I also dropped it because while geript can give some nice meta reads I don't think you are going to get much from this one im fairly sure it is more of a "feelings" thing. But lets see

I'm asking for his townleans p: I saw geript's "Mm can't really explain this feeling" post, seemed super townie to me.


Yep derp soz

Also there is a chance FF is choosing 7,1 because i told him that was free but he never really said anything about it. Just a warning for ya

Yep I saw that catching up but he didn't claim picking them.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 14:33 GMT
#417
On January 19 2016 23:04 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 13:52 Keirathi wrote:
Koshi's entrance and "dumb tell" things kind of piqued my interest but it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him.

People always doubt dumbtells, but I've never seen mafia fake them. I'm sure it can happen, but I'm also sure it is super unlikely. What do you mean " it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him" ? Is he known for making fake dumbtells ?

It was already established & proven that Koshi forgot to count himself as mafia and only counted his teammates.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 14:34 GMT
#418
On January 19 2016 23:17 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 21:16 sicklucker wrote:
onegu you can have 1.1 if you pick dream flower. do you agree? if not im going to have someone take 1.1 so neither of you get it

This is brillant.

He is sheeping my brilliant plan.
I had a good night of sleep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 19 2016 14:36 GMT
#419
On January 19 2016 23:15 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 23:09 disformation wrote:
On January 19 2016 21:18 Palmar wrote:
On January 19 2016 15:09 Breshke wrote:
I think mass claiming is a good idea just not D1 obviously

mass claiming d1 is generally fine unless there is some kind of a witch role that matches players with roles and murders them.

there's too many targets for mafia to kill, and it really helps

Isn't that exactly what Ezio does?

On January 19 2016 22:59 Rels wrote:
On January 19 2016 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Is making everyone pick roles based on pick order really that great? For some roles you can directly hold people accountable cos announcements but for others I'm not really sure how you can tell what they are doing. Also there's the risk that mafia get the ezio role

This being said I have no better alternative.

Man, Ezio is kinda bad compared to others for town, but super good for mafia. Should be in the "policy" category IMO.

I think directing the role distribution is super good though:
- we can hold people accountable
- if someone important is for example roleblocked, we have a list of person that couldn't do it
- it assures town to have good roles

Okay, how would this picking by pick order work exactly?
Like once the pick order is established. We start with the first person to announce which role he/she wants and that has to be one of the roles very good for town? Which would also mean everyone would know everyone's role from the beginning.

Another advantage would be the minimization of overlap and therefore wild card mysterious challengers in the game.

Still not 100% about this, so if someone could explain a bit more in detail what the actual process of picking by pick order would entail that would be appreciated.

I don't know how we could do it in details, but in general it's good for the reasons above. Especially the lack of mysterious challengers; after all, there are only 8 mafia, if everybody picks good roles, it means 14 townies has separate and good roles.
I didn't count the number of roles but I assume there are more than 22. p:

Now for the details, I suppose we just go down kita's tier list, like people just announce what they pick and we can talk about it.


Hmm... sounds fair enough.
Trying to think of scenarios in which scum could try and mess with that.

Like pick order A B C D E
If D was a scum player he could pick the role E was going to take. This would force E into Mysterious Challenger and basically denies town two good roles (cause 1 is in the hands of player D). This has the drawback for scum that player E will be very mad and 100% will try to find the scum in A B C D. Which means this also only works if D and E would have picked very similar roles, so D doesn't get outed after N1.

Giving up some of the prot roles to scum might also not be that bad though, they might run into problems for protecting their teammates over obv town ppl in the long run. Might also lead to hilarious situations where scum team A protects a towner from KP by scum team B. xD

Biggest drawback is like scum smuggling in some roles like ezio, but that will probably be discovered after a night or two.

That stuff is really complicated. xD
Any thoughts? Do I make sense?
I think I am down for the picking by pick order thing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:37 GMT
#420
On January 19 2016 23:34 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 23:17 Rels wrote:
On January 19 2016 21:16 sicklucker wrote:
onegu you can have 1.1 if you pick dream flower. do you agree? if not im going to have someone take 1.1 so neither of you get it

This is brillant.

He is sheeping my brilliant plan.

Were you the one that proposed it first ?
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 288 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
12:00
SC:EVO Monthly
MaxPax vs CreatorLIVE!
ByuN vs Classic
SteadfastSC263
IndyStarCraft 130
Liquipedia
Replay Cast
10:05
Maestros of the Game Ro24 B
Zoun vs ByuNLIVE!
CranKy Ducklings193
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 283
SteadfastSC 263
Harstem 202
IndyStarCraft 130
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 64641
Rain 3810
Shuttle 3281
Bisu 2974
Flash 1980
BeSt 1723
Light 1153
Larva 814
Mini 593
firebathero 546
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 484
Stork 425
actioN 376
hero 363
Barracks 303
Soma 213
sSak 194
Rush 140
Last 103
Snow 97
Mind 96
Mong 91
PianO 77
sorry 48
Backho 48
Nal_rA 35
TY 27
Sharp 26
Sacsri 23
Movie 22
scan(afreeca) 17
soO 16
Terrorterran 14
yabsab 12
HiyA 10
Icarus 9
Noble 8
Shine 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5248
qojqva2594
Dendi1191
BananaSlamJamma243
League of Legends
Reynor53
Counter-Strike
zeus710
byalli330
ScreaM253
edward46
Super Smash Bros
Chillindude15
Other Games
singsing1640
B2W.Neo1032
olofmeister754
hiko722
DeMusliM440
crisheroes439
Hui .221
ArmadaUGS202
Liquid`VortiX99
QueenE59
SortOf35
FunKaTv 27
KnowMe7
Happy0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick836
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4254
• Jankos1120
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 58m
Moja vs Babymarine
Solar vs TBD
sOs vs goblin
Nice vs INexorable
sebesdes vs Iba
Nicoract vs TBD
NightMare vs TBD
OSC
9h 58m
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
19h 58m
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
21h 58m
The PondCast
22h 58m
RSL Revival
1d 19h
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
1d 21h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 21h
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.