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On January 09 2016 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I believe the first thing mafia does here is to read the possible setups and see what roles they have in scum QT. Depending on if they have GF or Framer they can poe the setup down to two possibilities, right? Now GiygaS knows -- definitely, that there is a named VT in one of the setups, that is proven by the fact he talks about it. But the wording "vanilla town" instead of "named VT" is careless. I find it way more likely to come from a town -- because scum tend to carefully choose their wording when they talk about something specific, as miswording stuff makes you possibly being questioned about a "fuckup" (like we see here happening). So based on GiygaS post about if the named VT should claim or not, i think it far more likely it comes from a townie based on above. Hmm I see, makes sense. On January 09 2016 10:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Hi everyone! I'm town. In previous forum games I go too HAM for my own good and end up defending my early-reads for half the game so I'm going to try to keep it more toned-down here I want to lock-town rayn for his red bull joke but I do townread his more comic demeanor the last time I played with him he was a very aggressive mafia player. I like his reason for townreading gigyas too. I also feel pretty good about koshi being town I just like his style it seems very natural and honest which is difficult to replicate as mafia Hello there GGTeMpLaR! Could I ask about your "defending my early-reads"? Do they tend to be scum or town or both? | ||
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On January 09 2016 11:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote: How is me going into further detail about my previous meta going to help you solve my alignment when I am intentionally going to be attempting to stray from it this game? Honestly the content was irrelevant, I just wanted to hear you talk more to get a sense of your general tone. | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote: just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work He's struggling to create a filter most likely mafia Kind of a stretch don't you think? | ||
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GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player. Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around. No one else has too much for me. | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:32 Koshi wrote: You really look like mafia not knowing what read he should represent and then just give 17 possibilities to everything. Do you think I should have a stronger read on the players I mentioned / the ones I didn't? Can you provide one? | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so... I guess you asked me about GiygaS based on this post here: What makes you ask about GiygaS and not about any other reads of mine? I mean, why did you single out GiygaS over all the other people in this post? Also if you agree with my townread on GiygaS whay isn't he your townread atm? I asked specifically about GiygaS because I took his initial wording as more scum vibe. It's really awkward that a VT would say "vanilla town" and not differentiate that he is talking about the Named VT, and I think blue roles are somewhat unlikely to want to talk about role claiming and whatnot, which leaves perhaps a careless scum post. I don't agree with the conclusion of your townread but I understand it and find it logical. | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:39 Koshi wrote: Only the green would be townie. Adding the red makes it more mafia. I can see where you are coming from - I was merely giving my whole thinking process. The fact is I play (or at least I think I play) a more logical fashion, sometimes roundabout style. I was noting that some other playstyles hate this (and the player mentioned was just one that came to mind). | ||
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On January 09 2016 10:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I want to lock-town rayn for his red bull joke but I do townread his more comic demeanor the last time I played with him he was a very aggressive mafia player. I like his reason for townreading gigyas too. Why the "but"? "I town read rayn b/c his joke" and "scum rayn played very aggressively last time I played with him" are two points that work together. This makes it look like your post was doctored and you forgot to fix this part, since scum take lots of time to craft proper posts while town just post what's on their mind. Additionally, why the hesitation to vote me? On January 09 2016 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote: i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago How is this a read? Do you have a single scum read outside of me? On January 09 2016 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i like.. I remembered the game on top of my head, the game Ver hosted a couple of years ago (where i think was the last time i saw slOosh play scum) --Sicilian mafia style. There i felt like slOosh had really hard time giving any opinion on anything and didn't follow up on his posts at all, couldn't explain himself at all. Which was different from the game i played on with him later on where he was town. I felt the early activity, him explaining himself and seemingly trying to figure out things made way more sense from him as town. Then i went to the database and looked his latest games. He's actually "nowadays" way more aggressive than he has been before, as town. And as scum... well not that much, but he still provides thoughts and shit. I actually think your argument on him being scum is at least reasonable. Too early to tell imo, but yes, it makes sense. I strongly recommend that you go back and properly consider the context of those games. The town one was like, some super setup themed game with all power roles and like a day 1 mayor esque thing. Additionally, consider that in that very game, you scum read me hard for something, but it was through thorough explanation of my reasoning that we got on the same page. You know what I'm worth as town - so it's pure win win since you either help clear me so I can focus on finding scum or you just take the ezpz scum slOosh lynch when you feel like it. | ||
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So instead of parroting everyone else and adding nothing to discussion saying "hey I too find slOosh weird", point out an exact contradiction or some logical fallacy, or shut up and move on. | ||
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Why not vote with the post where you say I look like mafia? What is your opinion on Koshi? | ||
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Could I have your current read on GGTeMpLaR and Koshi? | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:57 Koshi wrote: ##vote: Nooniansoong I got reasons. But they are "terrible". I am also extremely tired so I can't promise I will remember them. But I think he might be biggest shot on mafia. You don't think the way that he exited thread is weird? He spends a good chunk of posts swaying rayn's town read of me, and when rayn comes around he leaves with this? | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:57 Koshi wrote: ##vote: Nooniansoong I got reasons. But they are "terrible". I am also extremely tired so I can't promise I will remember them. But I think he might be biggest shot on mafia. Scum read on me, leaves by voting someone else, stating vague reasons that are admittedly "terrible", and closing out with "I think he might be biggest shot on mafia". Join me. ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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I will wrap up my key points. Koshi spends half his posts talking about some setup fluff. Koshi spends the other half of his posts repeating the same post, telling me (his scum read), why I am scum, instead of telling others. Koshi leaves the thread by placing a vote on someone other than me, without giving reasons, and also claims that they are best chance of being mafia. Vote Koshi. | ||
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@GGTeMpLaR If it was self-apparent as to why you would lock someone town for a joke is wrong, then it highlights the fact that the "but" in your opening post seems out of place. I'm not saying that is a scum tell, I was saying that it looked funny. Perhaps I asked the wrong question and went in a roundabout way of doing it, but that's what I did. Right now I read GGTeMpLaR as more likely town for the confident demeanor and analysis of my approach. | ||
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Contextually, I provided my reasoning to rayn because he asked me. Because I believe that you can discern alignment when someone shows good reasoning. To rayn, I gave my thinking process, because that was tremendously helpful last game we played together. It is true that my reads are very passive, because at that point I didn't have strong reads, so in lieu of that I gave my reasoning. The alternative I could have posted was an honest "not much right now". But that wouldn't have generated discussion the way that me providing my reasoning has. I didn't go ham on GGTemplar because I've gone ham day 1 on (newer) townies in the past and they weren't really able to recover from the pressure. So I took a roundabout approach. Two town can absolutely look at the same thing and come to different conclusions. I picked out GiygaS out of rayn's inital list because he was the one that I came to a different conclusion on, so I asked rayn for his reasoning. The reasoning was good, even though I disagreed with the read. | ||
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Point 1 and 2 go together in saying that Koshi has been posting frequently, but the content of his filter is lacking. | ||
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On January 09 2016 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Although i wanna ask you something slOosh: I understand the townie motive on the "makes sense" thingy Eden is questioning you about (although you can probably answer him on it yourself). What i don't understand is the following: - You scumread GiygaS - You ask me why i townread him. - I tell you why i townread him. - You say it makes sense but don't agree with the conclusion. (although you only state that later on, but it happens here) - I ask you for your reads. - You tell me one of the people who doesn't stand out is GiygaS Now how do the red and the green part go together? There should be nothing inbetween that makes you change your mind on GiygaS from "scum" --> "doesn't stand out" (no, the bolded part doesn't do that as you literally state that you don't agree with me). Because I thought the point wasn't that alignment indicative either way, but it was interesting to see that you got a town feel from it when I was getting more a scum feel. In the followup post where I give some thoughts, I don't bother rehashing GiygaS because it was more or less null, and I had already given my reasoning just prior. | ||
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Additionally, I would say that the general vibe thus far is quite good. There is a good atmosphere for discussion, people are talking and explaining instead of shouting / attacking. So I would say that I expect mafia playstyle (in this context right now) to look more laid back, non intrusive and perhaps adding some fuel to the slOosh lynch wagon to make sure it goes through. Who fits this bill? mderg - I read him as detached from thread. I'm one of the biggest topics at this point and he has yet to say anything about me. He only posted when prompted and doesn't look interested in helping people figure things out. Tubesock - rayn pointed out his complaint of something that had not happened yet. Scum complain about things without doing anything to help. He is lurking hard so tough to say more, but in this context, scum would be more likely to lurk. VayneAuthority - hasn't produced any posts outside of getting suspicion on me - fits the bill of getting the D1 mislynch secured without putting more effort than necessary Will answer GGTemplar's list next. | ||
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On January 10 2016 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say. @sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point. Specifically mderg's read on darth. I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations. I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely. On January 09 2016 14:07 darthfoley wrote: Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me. If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post. On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote: I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster".Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances. I liked this post from boxerfred. He thinks Koshi is scum, and first thing he does is question why other people have town reads on him. He actually looks engaged in wanting either others convinced to lynch Koshi or himself convinced that Koshi is town. | ||
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Please explain. | ||
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On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote: Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi | ||
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mderg, vayne, tubesock in that order | ||
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On January 10 2016 16:37 Eden1892 wrote: It's interesting, a pretty reasonable read. But I would still rather kill Tubesock, as that's the only thing he's posted (as of me typing this) that's left me willing to consider not killing him, and as I already thought GiygaS was pretty solidly town. What do you think? I think it is a decently a compelling point against GiygaS and am interested in his response. At this point I would place mderg, vayne and kmatt as lynch preferences. I don't see how people are reading mderg town, and I've yet the time to properly read vayne's meta b/c I don't really see any content from him. | ||
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I will leave with my stronger preference on lynching Vayne. He is clearly not interested in engaging with town in any fashion. His best read after me is a total cop-out. On January 10 2016 04:26 VayneAuthority wrote: If i really had to pick, mderg, but it is a very weak/generic read at this point And I just found out that while he doesn't bother adding to town discussion at all, he does make sure he leaves a vote on me in the voting thread. On January 10 2016 13:20 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote: SLoosh I think this is the best lynch right now. ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
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On January 10 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: [M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia [N] VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... that would be 2/3 of his last towngames where he has been vanilla... Read the first page of filter for each game, and see how he talks about multiple people and is at least interacting with thread. Then look at his filter in this game and show me a single read. Show me a single point of input. Tell me people who have VA as town, why? Why why why? Rayn, why? | ||
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On January 10 2016 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: slOosh at which point you start not scumreading Koshi anymore? You said you didn't change your vote immediately after you changed your opinion on him here: What does this mean? Where does the read change, around which posts from Koshi? When he just started posting things of content? You want something specific? | ||
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I'm still reading over the GiygaS / Tubesock thing but I don't think it's too incriminating on either side. | ||
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Koshi, you mentioned at the start of the game that you would prefer to lynch a low amount poster / low filter poster. Would you like to join me in lynching VA? | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:30 GiygaS wrote: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. HE CALLED HIMSELF SCUMMY HOW DO YOU NOT LYNCH THAT First, could you please quote the post you are referring to. I just want to make sure we are looking at the same thing. | ||
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I mean think about it. If townies could only produce things that could be interpreted as towny, how would mafia ever win? I would not fault someone for having the meta cognition to admit that something they do can be construed as scummy. | ||
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It felt somewhat dismissive and exaggerated. | ||
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On January 10 2016 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically this post comes down to: - "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it." - Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it. Wrapping up the case but not really addressing the issue of the "easy" town read issue. On January 10 2016 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the quote above is wrong why did you write it? I have a really really really really hard time seeing why someone.. anyone.. would EVER call himself, any of his posts, scummy. It just doesn't make any fucking sense at all because if you are town IT IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CAN MAKE SCUMMY POSTS. Last time someone did this we lynched him and he flipped mafia. Feels kinda exaggerated here. | ||
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Starting second page of his filter, January 09 2016 10:11 CST, post #268 and onward. I think it's more substantive than his posts prior. | ||
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On June 06 2015 10:00 VayneAuthority wrote: i think mig is still a good lynch tbh, all this confirmed is that the guy is town and giving a genuine opinion on mig. On June 07 2015 05:47 VayneAuthority wrote: Chezinu is a good lynch tbh if im going to actually try this game again. I don't think its feasible to make it happen today though perhaps next cycle On June 07 2015 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: i dont think yamato is mafia but dont mind if he dies. hes basically just IamRobik except he doesnt ever get warned for behavior somehow even though every post he makes is a personal insult + Show Spoiler [VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunni…] + On February 15 2015 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote: Kelsier is tricky, I think he just likes making really bad posts that come across as forced scum posts. He did this last game too and he was town. He seems to do the same thing to me and reads my posts as scum every game On February 15 2015 09:29 VayneAuthority wrote: rayn when you read this tell me how similar you find BH to his persona as Old Partner in golden sun. when I read his posts I feel like he is talking to other people and having a laugh. Reminds me of that game with how forced he is pushing this agenda with these long awful posts On February 16 2015 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote: idk i actually think its a shitty read reading over his filter again but generally he has only asked for other people's scumreads and their opinions and stuff, lots of questions but nothing from him. He townreads various random people but I dont feel like he is exactly trying to solve the game here. African Horn Mafia he looked much different in from what I observed + Show Spoiler [Unoriginal Name Mafia] + On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote: just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work He's struggling to create a filter most likely mafia On January 10 2016 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Maybe its meta, I honestly dont know many of these players. Guess I should look up Eden because his filter looks like a good scumplayer to me I don't know if that is true or not On January 10 2016 04:26 VayneAuthority wrote: If i really had to pick, mderg, but it is a very weak/generic read at this point Yes I do still think that he is putting even less effort into this game compared to the two mentioned. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:55 Koshi wrote: I could. But I am still sitting pretty on boxerfred. Ok. I'm ok with that too if we end up going that way. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah you now said you started townreading Koshi at point A. But at point B (which is after A) you tell Edenwhy you think Koshi is mafia. So one of your statements must be a lie. Starting second page of his filter, January 09 2016 10:11 CST, post #268 and onward. I think it's more substantive than his posts prior. At point B I told Eden why I thought Koshi was mafia concerning posts prior to point A. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:02 GiygaS wrote: The point that tubesock is self-aware is an understatement. The only real analysis he's done all game has been on himself and me purely based on my read of him. I think this is a fair assessment. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:08 nooniansoong wrote: I don't want to lynch tubesock. I can't understand most of his posts. His scum game is still fresh in my mind and his posts were a lot easier to follow. That's because his content this game is much closer to stream of thought. Having a number 4 lynch on d1 is really townie. It shows a lot of thought is going into who might be scum. On January 11 2016 00:33 Tubesock wrote: Good question. And I'm taking it as a compliment since I think you towned me there. These two games are pretty different situations for me though. Last game I was not ever really scum read until the end. At least not scum read enough to feel threatened. I'm also pretty sure I struck first on Rels. The case I made on him I really believed. When I'm mafia I triple check every post and make sure there is a corresponding quote I can link for everything I say. I think you could argue that last game I was overexplainy (Ritoky made a post about someone being overexplainers anonymous so I started to focus on that too). I'd be shocked if you can find a post that contradicts itself in that game though. Or a read swap on someone without reasons showing transition. Early posts I made sure I didn't have too many tr's (how Rels caught and killed me in the game prior to that) without any scum reads and that I shouldn't go very long without throwing out a read. I don't really know how or why you should differentiate my game here and the last one. My AFKness should be NAI. I do not have internet access while I work. And due to my schedule it explains why I only get to play a game every couple of months. Much of the time there is a very real mod kill threat. Which is part of why I conceded last game. I was going to be mod killed 3 days after I conceded and I needed 5 or something to win. I guess a lot of this questioning I'm getting I don't understand. My entire point is that GiygaS literally did something that town would NEVER do. It's more than just scumreading me. that's not what my point is. It's how and why he did. If he were town, he'd still scum me, but there is no fucking world that exists where town scums me with his reasonings and his world view. Tell me how that's possible? Well there's somewhat consistency going on here. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: And yes slOosh, it is a fact that it is impossible for a townie to say scummy things. If you are not purposefully throwing the game then every single thing you say has a townie agenda that you can explain. It must have, there is no other option. Telling people why they should reasonably scumread you is not an explanation -- because you already claim you are doing something that is not townie. It's really simple. Townies do townie things. Townies never do scummy things. Townies don't say the things they do are a reason to scumread them, they EXPLAIN why the things they do are townie. I disagree but I guess we can discuss this post game in full. I agree with the first point that everything you do has a townie agenda that you can explain. However, intent =/= reception. A town player can do things with town intent yet have bad reception by the group and be considered scum. They can provide town intent and reasons for what they did, but it doesn't mean that the group will believe them. Therefore, you can say that a townie can do things with town intent, and understand that you don't have to be scum to misunderstand their intentions. As it relates to this game, I think what Tubesock said was that he could see how his actions could be construed as scummy. That isn't admitting what he did was scummy. That is saying that what he did could be construed by town as scummy. Am I making sense? | ||
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And let's suppose a town mislynch happens D1. How is this possible if townies only do townie things? This is possible because townies may have townie-intent, but it doesn't equate to everyone else understanding and believing that intent. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:27 GiygaS wrote: That quote shows that he is aware of his meta. He could very easily be playing around it and using it as a shield I agree this is a possibility. Noon has made a comment that "verify's" this. What is your interpretation of this? | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:32 GiygaS wrote: Noon cares a ton about meta, it's NAI for me in relation to him. Um, I guess what I was getting at was, Noon meta verifies that Tubesock is playing more to his town meta. Do you think noon is town and wrong? Scum and buddying? Etc. | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote: GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. On January 10 2016 15:39 Tubesock wrote: Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum. To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical. | ||
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I see what you are getting at. | ||
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It's like if you were playing town, and (b/c of active mafia mudslinging or something) people suspect you as mafia for a certain vote sequence. Then some dude comes along and says "you know, I think rayn is mafia, because he didn't use as many exclamation marks in his posts that he usually does". You would somewhat understand if people bandwagon for reasons that are out there, but it's really strange for someone to be bringing in reasons that don't make sense. | ||
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But I don't think Tubesock did quite what you guys are saying. He is highlighting the fact that the reason GiygaS joined the vote wagon was out of place - that GiygaS was citing easy townreads. The place where Tubesock says that he should have used other points about himself is to say that in contrast with what could have been said, GiygaS instead chose to say something really fishy. Like a scum making up some lame excuse to join the bandwagon. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Except that GiygaS' reasoning is very clear. Very very clear and makes sense, especially when taken his explanation and comparing it to how he presented the argument. You can't just do this: - Well GiygaS is scum for A. - But he didn't do A, he in fact did B. - Well, GiygaS is scum for A. The whole argument in itself is a misrepresentation of GiygaS posts and motivation behind them, and Tubesock doesn't even consider that when GiygaS and me BOTH explain why this is the case.. Instead he just keeps hammering the same point, which simply cannot be true as it is basically proven false (unless he wants to argue why the explanation does not make sense -- which he isn't doing either). I don't think it was very clear at the time he said it. Start on page 20 where GiygaS votes Tubesock. I didn't quite get it, neither did darthfoley, Eden on page 21 and Koshi on 26. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do. The point that Tubesock is making is that while there is nothing wrong with that, it's weird to vote for someone because of it. | ||
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##Vote boxerfred | ||
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I disagree with your initial noon case. The first quote he said that you thought was useless was like 1 hour into D1, giving a towntell to Koshi for being indifferent doesn't seem weird and being ok with lynching Vayne for various reasons doesn't seem that weird either. I think it is a playstyle thing where you assume everyone should play a certain fashion and if they don't they are scum, but they could just be playing a different playstyle. I will agree with you that he has low post count, but I think at least he is checking into thread ala. tubesock read. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am not gonna switch my vote, just that i can tell you "i told you so". You can lynch me if bf flips scum. But he doesn't, because noone is clearly pushing another lynch except for me. I'll switch if you can help me understand this part. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:02 scott31337 wrote: Hi! <3 I've read most of the thread already (or more like skim) and writing some notes down, but if anyone has any questions - that'd be great. Hey scott31337, Things we would like to see is your thoughts on the Tubesock / GiygaS interaction, and maybe some other scum reads. Probably want to process the scum flip though. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:07 Koshi wrote: People should totally read all my posts about how there are 5 people mafia and boxerfred fits all the scumteams. For posterity On January 10 2016 10:02 Koshi wrote: Unless they outplay us really hard here the mafia team boils down to max(?) 5 names. (Sloosh, Tubesock, VA, Sloosh, Kmatt) There is nothing VA is doing to incriminate these 4 others except for SloOsh. Which he adamantly claimed when I scumread but him and SloOsh, it isn't in his meta to do that indeed. But he could still be mafia with the 3 others. (2 of them obviously) SloOsh on the other hand is putting himself in such a bad situation with the 4 others. He scumreads 1 of them as 3rd (Tubesock), hard townreads boxerfred, Kmatt is joker mafia, and then him and VA are distancing. So therefore my conclusion was: Because I am hoping the joker is town. Also I'm assuming you meant to put boxer in the list instead of my name twice :p | ||
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Right now I have him null leaning scum for low post count. But I can't see how you can get totes mcgoats scum or totes mcgoats town without meta. | ||
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On January 09 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The game setup is one of the following four: A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon Just realized roleblocker is in all setups | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:17 mderg wrote: I did end up voting kush but there was nothing totes mcgoats at all today. For me he was almost the same as boxerfred, "Don't know where I should place my vote and he has a chance to be scum" That's definitely fair. I don't fault anyone voting kush / noon. | ||
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Anticipating a lil' dip in activity start of D2 but should be ok after that. | ||
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And Koshi keeps yelling for it so I'll come forward and claim named vt Will find time later to figure out what's going on | ||
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A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon <--------- this one | ||
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I want noon / scott / darthfoley / va to just come in and knock it out of the park | ||
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scott this is great opportunity for us to get a good read on you too so yea go grab those fruits | ||
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On January 12 2016 09:02 Tubesock wrote: Town has at least 3 mlynches right? There are 5 questionable alive people. Me, Noon, Scott, VA, Darth. Like everyone else is essentially confirmed right? So if we are lucky and 1 of them is named VT then we are in an even better situation. Like we can't lose. We can just lynch in that order and town wins even if the last two mafia are VA and Darth. Which of the pool do you think is most scummiest? | ||
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I don't even know where to start this post .... uhhh warning stream of thought post coming up, feel free to skip to end for conclusion. GiygaS is confirmed town cop. + Show Spoiler [just for rayn] + Remember that very first GiygaS read? This was why. I read him blue / red for it but couldn't really flesh it out without accidentally outing myself as blue / him as blue. I would have expected Tubesock to have a more ... knee jerk "GiygaS is full of BS dirty mafia fake claimer" given how firmly he believed that GiygaS was scum basically whole game till that point. That said, I could see him just take a step back and figure things out before posting, so null on the reaction point. As GGTeMpLaR has pointed out, it is statistically unlikely that there is a false positive check. That means framer chose not to frame themselves and instead chose to target Tubesock. Although it isn't outside the realm of possibilities that scum team read GiygaS as cop (maybe taking this post as indication of check). On January 12 2016 06:07 GiygaS wrote: At work so can't talk much, but I think I'm starting to lay off Tubesock. Don't know who my next choice is though. Will have to go through filters when I get home. And if we are heading in the right direction, it wouldn't surprise me if scum decided they needed to take some ballsy plays to get back into the game. I've read the materials against darthfoley and it looks good. I agree with the general assessments, and find his D2 play has been more lackluster, perhaps showcasing that he has been more of a thread sentiment emulator rather than an independent poster. I'm trying to wrap my head around possible teams, and I don't think both darthfoley and Tubesock would go in the same team. From Eden's nicely colored voting pattern post, darthfoley's switcharoonies are only incriminating if Tubesock is town. I really don't see how they can both be scum buddies by the way that they voted. Darthfoley's MO is basically follow the crowd (shadowing me or rayn or whoever) on possible lynches - notice he never jumps onto boxerfred, but is comfortable jumping on and off Tubesock. He most definitely had opportunity to change his votes and it wouldn't look inconsistent with his playstyle, and so it feels too gutsy to be parking your vote on a scum buddy like that. Right now I'm thinking darthfoley scum Tubesock town. I could definitely still just be biased from defending Tubesock D1 so gonna sleep on it, but that's where I currently am. I would very much appreciate if scott31337 and noonian could get in here and make sense of things too. Because if both of them aren't scum, then the last one is hiding somewhere else, and I'd like more info for when that time comes. | ||
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On January 13 2016 01:06 Tubesock wrote: uuuuhhhh yeah. But I also totally think you'd think he's lying or something and go back to your original slOosh is scum idea. Or maybe mafia might try some weird desparate counter claim that tries to fuck up town. I doubt anyone will do the work to really think about if slOosh is town. So at least they have something to look back on. Plus, what else am I going to do today? the thread is basically already dead. Would be nice if there was something to talk about. Probably a vote analysis from your perspective would be nice - Eden did some coloring in one of his posts (ctrl+f for "spoiler"). Maybe look at context of darthfoley's switches. | ||
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On January 12 2016 19:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote: If they're both hypothetically scum and darth sees tube is already getting lynched he could just want some towncred. Especially if Tube is the nilla mafia. He changed votes 30 minutes prior to E.O.D. I would relook at his filter to see how he was reading Tube throughout the game and if the vote at the time made sense. I think darthfoley in general had Tubesock as his default lynch most of D1. He did some meandering around depending on what other people in town were saying, but it seems super gutsy to just park it there multiple times if they were scum buddies. And (still hypothetically speaking), if going for a bus, I would be very surprised that scum would bus an active poster that has a good chance of arguing out of a lynch over an inactive poster, even if he had a powerrole. Lurker roleblocker with like 3 posts to his name or active goon who is churning out posts? I really can't see a scum-scum team with the two. I totally get VA's point of playing the percentages. But I think framer hitting a town Tubesock and him getting copchecked is more likely than darthfoley and Tubesock both being scum. I'm leaning darthfoley first here. ##Vote darthfoley | ||
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Am I making sense? | ||
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On January 13 2016 03:54 nooniansoong wrote: like just read that.. scum can't fake a thought process like that. I dunno that post is weird because the timeline is actually Koshi & others thought slOosh was weird --> slOosh gets annoyed and gets more active --> Koshi backs off after seeing this Whereas darthfoley's interpretation is something like Koshi & others thought slOosh was weird (but still active) --> Koshi should be backing off but isn't | ||
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On January 13 2016 01:57 scott31337 wrote: So the way I see it is - if we don't lynch the red-check (which all the vet's in my mind are telling me you would) - he will always be doubtful - Look at Holyflare in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=Holyflare - Unless Tubesock just completely dumps some major town rainbows, he's more of a liability that can bite us later. If our conf's have a better plan - I'm willing to listen. I'm still three pages behind. Meeting time - bbl. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Official Vote Count boxerfred (4): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh, Koshi Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred nooniansoong (1): raynpelikoneet Not voted (1): Kmatt Currently, boxerfred is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. On January 11 2016 07:38 darthfoley wrote: I still think Tubesock is the correct lynch right now On January 11 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote: Unless i've missed it, Tubesock hasn't provided any reads on anyone outside of GiygaS, excluding the initial early "reads" who deemed to be scummy. He's spent the last day repeating the same argument for only one person. Like what? I don't know what darthfoley's read on Tubesock currently is. This concerns me. Thoughts noon? | ||
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On January 13 2016 04:33 Koshi wrote: I am going to let you guys play a bit. Cool, just look into my darthfoley & Tubesock can't be scum scum team posts for later. | ||
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Only way we lose this is to let paranoia run rampant and lose focus. I apologize that I couldn't post today; I was extremely busy. I will be dropping formalized thoughts by end of night. Thank you. | ||
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Could I have your top 3 lynch preferences and level of certainty? | ||
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On January 15 2016 05:20 Koshi wrote: We won't die. 2 confirmed towns in game. I would go Kush into VA into Darth. Kk we are sort of on the same page. I'm quite certain that there is only 1 scum between VA and darthfoley, and I lean much more that VA is the scum - there's no culpability in his posts and if darthfoley is town, then he literally has nothing in his filter. I do not like how he said "I agree with Koshi Eden looks bad" right when Tubesock flipped. I also think that the other scum is most likely between kush and scott, and I lean more toward scott. Partly because VA and noon aren't the same alignment and I think VA is scum. Partly because I like some of the things he has posted - for instance his analysis that mderg is sketchy b/c of the way he switched wagons. On January 12 2016 03:30 nooniansoong wrote: Anyway during lunch i went through some filters. Mderg looking scummy. - pressure on darthfoley that goes no where - sheeped TS onto gigyas - jumped ship on gigyas when wagon looked like it was going to falter. He gave no reason except that he thought about it more. - left a scumlynch a the last second for me. Again without any reasoning, except my lack of content. But boxerfred had even less content then me so I don't buy this reason to switch off boxerfred. I don't know how much the rayn kill N1 is affecting your read of noon, but I find it more plausible that it was to disguise VA from rayn. On January 11 2016 06:12 Koshi wrote: Like. Typical scumplay would give a boxerfred/VA/Gmatt scumteam. That would be the easy solution. The way that D1 worked out where wagons were closely tied and scum wasn't particularly active at all, this team makes more sense to me than boxer/darthfoley/noon. | ||
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On January 13 2016 13:31 scott31337 wrote: Your conf town which upsets me, that you have nothing behind it but "I'd lynch him instead" - I'll flip VT. I don't spam the fucking thread like the others do, I observe, post my thoughts, and go with it - You should find another. Did you even read what I said? What's the mafia motivation? To lynch our red-check? Did you even read the game? I've obs'ed games for almost two years. This feels like fabricated anger to me. It doesn't flow at all, which you expect emotional posts to do. | ||
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Like, dude is new. And at the least he is making an effort to interact with thread and he looks like he is trying to follow what's going on (starting from D1). I definitely lean against lynching him - and especially moreso if VA/scott/noon aren't the ones pushing it. | ||
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I would advise perhaps letting VA/scott start off the lynch tomorrow - no more letting them skate by. Make them put money where their mouth is (or isn't, who knows what they really think) | ||
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I do think that if we didn't hit boxerfred D1 we very much could have been in a very poor spot (Probably catastrophic should mafia also net a correct frame). But town did well to put to pieces together after the failed lynch. Well played. | ||
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