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On January 12 2016 08:58 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 07:48 Eden1892 wrote:On January 12 2016 07:22 darthfoley wrote:On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie. I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold. + Show Spoiler [For Eden] +Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.
Vote Count (16.5 hours)
Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock
(9.5 hours)
Vote Count
Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet
(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count
Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
(1 hour)
Official Vote Count
Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
(Final)
Final Vote Count
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning
I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now. On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh
##Vote: VayneAuthority On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.
I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.
##Unvote
darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock. But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense? What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full. So you reread Tubesock's posts, after your unvote, and found that Tubesock had only given one read all day? That's odd. How much reading did you really do? Because before you even unvoted, Tubesock had plenty to say about other people in the game: On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening.
Kush is a terrible lynch.
Giygas is just not mafia.
Tubesock is fucking hard to read. I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though. Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon. I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile. On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred I also question that you went back and reread the initial case Tubesock gave, as if you had, you would have noticed that GiygaS did not quote you in his original post. Tubesock filled in the posts from you to explain his case. Would you care to resolve these discrepancies? I said he only posted one read of substance. Regarding the reads you quoted, I explained at the time that it didn't make sense to consider Noon more towny than Rayne at that point in the game. I think being "onboard" for boxerfred or Kmatt is pretty safe at that point in the voting process, especially because at this time it was 4 to 3 for Tubesock vs. Boxerfred. Would've been tied 4/4 if he changed from GiygaS to Boxerfred. Boxerfred hadn't been very active and you would get lots of town cred if you supported a correct lynch day 1. I mean we've already confirmed town everyone who voted for Boxerfred, so losing an inactive mafia isn't the end of the world if it basically makes you an unlynchable for a while. However, people then jumped off the Tubesock wagon and he didn't need to do this, while still getting towncred for being "okay" with a boxerfred lynch and consistency for sticking with GiygaS. GiygaS didn't directly quote me, but he basically did "not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't"
I said before you don't get my point I was making. And I got snarky with mderg accidentally because I thought he was you for not reading.
You don't get what my case is about. Do you actually have any idea what my point(s) were in my case on GiygaS? You asked about if I posted reads since, and I conveniently responded with one of my quotes. Then you even said "Oh yeah". So, you bringing it up again is pretty shady.
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On January 12 2016 09:20 Koshi wrote:
That counts for everybody. Holy fuck.
huh? Not everyone has posted. Are you assuming GGtemp, Noon, VA, mderg or SlOosh are named?
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My mafia partner did exactly that in my last game. Cased two NK's in a row at night. So this is very valid. And something I'd do so don't disregard it.
I did think I was a good vig and cop shot.
But even as not, I think it's always better to leave a will in case Mafia does something weird.
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On January 12 2016 15:13 slOosh wrote:
Nvm I'm still catching up and I missed lots of posts
I haven't verbalized my order of reads yet. They are most likely to least:
Darthfolley - is who I'm voting. I have nothing new to add to this one. I do strongly think todays lynch needs to be him or I.
Next is Scott31337. his posts were off, I already asked him a bit on them. I have seen probably 4 or 5 people do a post and get replaced after only doing 1 post and I think all but 1 were mafia. In my 2nd game ever Scott actually replaced a player who made 2ish posts and entered Newbie Mini Mafia LX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 (year old game) In that game it's a nice looking list post that had a quote from everyplayer that represented his "read" . Kinda like how he used numbers to make his list post even prettier entering here. It's kinda WIFOMy I know but since it's his only real content and he's refused to answer 2 or 3 of my questions it's all that is available.
Noon - I think he's town, but he hasn't done anything that a mafia wouldn't ever do, and Rayn NK implicates him. (as it does me)
VA I guess. But his case was secks.
By the time we get to lynching Noon at the soonest (like 8 days?) there will/should be sooo much more information that we can make better decisions on the lynches. That's IF I am not lynched. That would add 3 more days I think.
The only way I will be removed as a ? is if we lynch framer, mafia derp shoots nonGiygaS, and he redchecks someone. I have no idea how to remove the ? but my plan is to thought dump. So, town will have to figure out if it is possible/probable I was framed or I'm try hard mafia.
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slOosh is Town.
First to vote, votes Koshi. slOosh then moves onto VayneAuthority after slOosh and Koshi hug it out and Vayne says he prefers to lynch someone else then votes slOosh. slOosh makes it clear he'll go to Boxer and then does before even Koshi does.
He went to Boxer when I still had 4 on me and it was 2:2 boxer/giygas. If you think I will flip red then this shows he saved me over Boxer and killed our roleblocker instead of GiygaS. Tinfoil that he forsaw Boxer switch and wanted town credit. But after I flip green, this clears him 100%.
His read progression on wagons and his votes: (GiygaS, me, Boxerfred, VayneAuthority):
+ Show Spoiler [VA scums slOosh too much] +On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote:
Hmm big things are you as strong town for picking up on similar things to me + more.
GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player.
Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around.
No one else has too much for me.
+ Show Spoiler [Scums me and VA 4 lurkee profile] +On January 10 2016 02:46 slOosh wrote:
Ok so I think it's a fair assessment to say that thus far in this game, I have been receiving the most flak. There's been some other things here and there, but not quite the same level as the attention to me.
Additionally, I would say that the general vibe thus far is quite good. There is a good atmosphere for discussion, people are talking and explaining instead of shouting / attacking.
So I would say that I expect mafia playstyle (in this context right now) to look more laid back, non intrusive and perhaps adding some fuel to the slOosh lynch wagon to make sure it goes through.
Who fits this bill?
mderg - I read him as detached from thread. I'm one of the biggest topics at this point and he has yet to say anything about me. He only posted when prompted and doesn't look interested in helping people figure things out.
Tubesock - rayn pointed out his complaint of something that had not happened yet. Scum complain about things without doing anything to help. He is lurking hard so tough to say more, but in this context, scum would be more likely to lurk.
VayneAuthority - hasn't produced any posts outside of getting suspicion on me - fits the bill of getting the D1 mislynch secured without putting more effort than necessary
Will answer GGTemplar's list next.
+ Show Spoiler [towns Boxer, with bonus Darth find] +On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say.
@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point.
Specifically mderg's read on darth. I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations. I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely. Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 14:07 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me. If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post. Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster". Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances. Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:10 boxerfred wrote:On January 09 2016 23:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Quick summary
koshi, eden, rayn
sloosh, mderg, darth how is koshi green in your head I liked this post from boxerfred. He thinks Koshi is scum, and first thing he does is question why other people have town reads on him. He actually looks engaged in wanting either others convinced to lynch Koshi or himself convinced that Koshi is town.
+ Show Spoiler [scumlist mderg VA Tube] +On January 10 2016 04:06 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi So who is your nr 2 mafia read? mderg, vayne, tubesock in that order
+ Show Spoiler [VA secondary lynch target] +On January 10 2016 16:45 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 16:37 Eden1892 wrote:On January 10 2016 16:30 slOosh wrote:
Eden, what do you think about Tubesock's point that GiygaS had more or less the same townreads as Tubesock, yet cites his townreads as the reason for voting Tubesock? It's interesting, a pretty reasonable read. But I would still rather kill Tubesock, as that's the only thing he's posted (as of me typing this) that's left me willing to consider not killing him, and as I already thought GiygaS was pretty solidly town. What do you think? I think it is a decently a compelling point against GiygaS and am interested in his response. At this point I would place mderg, vayne and kmatt as lynch preferences. I don't see how people are reading mderg town, and I've yet the time to properly read vayne's meta b/c I don't really see any content from him.
+ Show Spoiler [votes VA] +On January 10 2016 17:15 slOosh wrote:Bah I'm falling asleep so can't followup on Tubesock / GiygaS till tomorrow. I will leave with my stronger preference on lynching Vayne. He is clearly not interested in engaging with town in any fashion. His best read after me is a total cop-out. Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:26 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 10 2016 04:18 slOosh wrote:
Vayne, apart from me, could I have your strongest scum read? If i really had to pick, mderg, but it is a very weak/generic read at this point And I just found out that while he doesn't bother adding to town discussion at all, he does make sure he leaves a vote on me in the voting thread. I think this is the best lynch right now. ##Vote VayneAuthority On January 10 2016 15:30 rsoultin wrote:Edited Vote Count Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh Koshi (1): boxerfred GiygaS (1): Tubesock Not voted (4): mderg, Kmatt, Raynpelikoneet
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler [Says GigygaS vs Tube is TvT] +On January 11 2016 05:28 slOosh wrote:
Yea I definitely don't think we should be lynching either GiygaS or Tubesock today. There's enough good things from each player but nothing so bad that you could lynch them with that much confidence (there might be and if you see something please share with the rest of class). It could easily be town vs town.
+ Show Spoiler [can go on Boxer if it goes] +On January 11 2016 05:58 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 05:55 Koshi wrote:On January 11 2016 05:32 slOosh wrote:
Excellent.
Koshi, you mentioned at the start of the game that you would prefer to lynch a low amount poster / low filter poster. Would you like to join me in lynching VA? I could. But I am still sitting pretty on boxerfred. Ok. I'm ok with that too if we end up going that way.
+ Show Spoiler [Votes Boxerfred] +On January 11 2016 07:05 slOosh wrote:
I'm moving to boxerfred. I really don't think Tubesock is the lynch here.
##Vote boxerfred
+ Show Spoiler [Votebox, slOosh votes with #1 scumread] +On January 11 2016 06:25 Trfel wrote:Edited Unofficial Vote Count Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet,darthfoley VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOoshGiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (2): Kmatt, darthfoley
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler [Noon read] +Beginning to talk about Noon switch linkOn January 11 2016 07:51 slOosh wrote:
rayn, just so you don't feel like you are talking to deaf ears:
I disagree with your initial noon case. The first quote he said that you thought was useless was like 1 hour into D1, giving a towntell to Koshi for being indifferent doesn't seem weird and being ok with lynching Vayne for various reasons doesn't seem that weird either.
I think it is a playstyle thing where you assume everyone should play a certain fashion and if they don't they are scum, but they could just be playing a different playstyle.
I will agree with you that he has low post count, but I think at least he is checking into thread ala. tubesock read.
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No matter what I'm going to be the biggest question mark in the game. You have to lynch me here especially since we can afford some mlynches.
But don't derp and lynch GiygaS after I flip green. He is not fakeclaiming.
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On January 13 2016 00:53 Koshi wrote:
Just to be sure.
Sure.
GiygaS is cop because it's absolutely insane to claim like he did.
fin
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On January 12 2016 04:39 Koshi wrote:
Same for Sloosh? Who the fuck is going to lynch him?
Even though everybody said Sloosh was mafia with boxerfred during the first half of D1.
Now Sloosh lynched mafia and everybody yells confirmed town.
To answer why towncase slOosh see above quote and also I wouldn't be surprised if Koshi gets all paranoid and decides that his original read on slOosh was correct despite all other evidence.
Did I just complain about something before it happened?
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On January 13 2016 01:01 Koshi wrote:
You do realize Sloosh is the named VT right?
uuuuhhhh yeah.
But I also totally think you'd think he's lying or something and go back to your original slOosh is scum idea.
Or maybe mafia might try some weird desparate counter claim that tries to fuck up town. I doubt anyone will do the work to really think about if slOosh is town. So at least they have something to look back on.
Plus, what else am I going to do today? the thread is basically already dead. Would be nice if there was something to talk about.
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On January 13 2016 01:07 Koshi wrote:
So you decide to make a towncase on an uncc named VT.
Brilliant.
Can't all be as smart and wise as you.
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Nooniansoong is ...uh...hmmm.
So, apparently I think I towned Noon because he was getting flack from rayn for reasons I didn't like. Which probably led to me scumming rayn. Tracking his posts and such, makes me think he's better lynch than Scott at the moment. So, preferred lynch order would be darth, noon, scott. reevaluate.
Noon votes VA at 7:23a (day + 8 hrs or so to lynch). The very first Boxerfred vote occured at 01:08a (almost 13 hours to lynch). Then came mderg vote on Boxer at 2:09 to lynch. Then Noon says he would vote Boxer (1:41 prior to lynch). slOosh voted at 55 minutes till, then rayn bailed at 31 minutes till and Koshi at 29 minutes.
The point of the above paragragh is that it is conceivable that Noon would have switched. I however think this information is NAI but you survivors of town get to decide on that.
+ Show Spoiler [towns koshi, giygas consecutively] +On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you? Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one. What do you think of Koshi and Giyga? Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum. Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter, On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 13:28 GiygaS wrote:On January 09 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:Fixed formatting On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it. Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge. But the op is for 9 players. didn't see. This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities): page 1: A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What? page 5: The game setup is one of the following four:A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game. I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative. Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl).  So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment. Eh, I'll take it with a grain of salt but I'd be lying if I said it won't affect my view on him looking forward. I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry.
+ Show Spoiler [plynch & scums VA] +On January 10 2016 01:21 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago most games you do play like oatsmaster though. very little content, mostly one liners, hard to read. Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work
He's struggling to create a filter
most likely mafia This is enough to placeholder my vote on vayne. "weird comments" - it's scummy to call something weird "nitpicking completely useless things" - it didn't seem any more useless than what other people were talking about at the time "telling others to do work" - misconstruing asking questions as telling others to do work. "struggling to create a filter" - this is the kind of generic wording that comes from scum so often. Also I do not understand how someone can draw that conclusion from sloosh's filter. Plus vayne doubles as a plynch anyway so there's that.
+ Show Spoiler [not really tr Rayne] +On January 10 2016 04:40 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 23:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you? Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one. What do you think of Koshi and Giyga? Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum. Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter, Why did you ask Koshi about the bolded part if you think it makes him town anyways? I like this thoughtful question from rayn. Actually I didn't know what to think of what koshi said in the moment I asked him about it. I thought to myself.. why would koshi open in the opposite way of his last two games? And I thought him answering my question might help me get a better idea of his motivation behind it. Koshi didn't give me a helpful answer, which in itself made me lean townie on him slightly because he didn't feel the need to satisfy me.
+ Show Spoiler [TR Tube] +On January 11 2016 06:08 nooniansoong wrote:I don't want to lynch tubesock. I can't understand most of his posts. His scum game is still fresh in my mind and his posts were a lot easier to follow. That's because his content this game is much closer to stream of thought. Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:
I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though.
Having a number 4 lynch on d1 is really townie. It shows a lot of thought is going into who might be scum.
+ Show Spoiler [happy lynch Boxer] +On January 11 2016 06:19 nooniansoong wrote:
id be happy to lynch boxerfred also.
+ Show Spoiler [Votes VA] +On January 10 2016 01:23 nooniansoong wrote:
##vote rayn On January 10 2016 01:23 nooniansoong wrote:
##unvote
##vote vayn On January 10 2016 02:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Vote Count Koshi (3): slOosh, darthfoley, boxerfred VayneAuthority (2): Koshi, nooniansoong slOosh (1): GGTeMpLaR Raynpelikoneet (0): nooniansoongnooniansoong (0): KoshiNot voted (7): GigyaS, Eden1892, mderg, Tubesock, VayneAuthority, Kmatt, Raynpelikoneet
Currently, Koshi is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
He has 6 posts that have a read in them. He doesn't mention a LOT of people. So, we can't know where he really is at. I don't see anything that I think is super towny. His voting is safe enough and I don't think I see anything that incriminates really. But I also don't believe that he would vote in an incriminating way as either alignment. I guess, I towned him for what I said in the first paragraph and that I was relating to him too. He was and is not pro-town though.
Boxer dies
+ Show Spoiler [tcred for boxer lynch] +On January 11 2016 09:39 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 06:19 nooniansoong wrote:
id be happy to lynch boxerfred also.
yo i get towncred for this right?
This is an extremely easy way to gauge thread temperature.
+ Show Spoiler [wrong so not needed] +On January 11 2016 09:51 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 09:47 Koshi wrote:On January 11 2016 09:39 nooniansoong wrote:On January 11 2016 06:19 nooniansoong wrote:
id be happy to lynch boxerfred also.
yo i get towncred for this right? Nope. You forgot to actually vote. I voted. for vaynehonestly i was pretty bummed that we lynched scum because now it's like damn i guess ill move right along im not needed here..
Excuse to not work and still further gauge reading.
+ Show Spoiler [suspicion on Scott entrance] +On January 11 2016 10:09 nooniansoong wrote:
yeah that's kind of dirty if he's scum because now he has townie reads to play off of
I'm conflicted though. I felt the same with Scott's entrance which I already voiced my opinion on.
+ Show Spoiler [not scumreading Tube] +On January 11 2016 10:18 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 10:15 Tubesock wrote:
I am curious to hear if there is a single one of you with a TR on me.
So, you all think I am mafia.
Boxerfred flipped Roleblocker.
That means mafia preferred to save me instead of him. Which would be insanely dumb if I were goon.
So, I would have the horrific bad luck to roll Godfather (framer possible) for the 4th game in a row. im not scumreading you but it wasn't necessarily mafia's choice which of you to kill. mafia could have had reads they didn't want to be inconsistent on mafia could have not been there EoD
+ Show Spoiler [rayn suspicion] +On January 11 2016 22:27 nooniansoong wrote:
rayn what i think is the reasons why you are towning and scumming people make no sense to me. Especially that townread on vayne. I would never expect that from you as town.
Ill ask again what agenda do you expect scum vayne to push d1?
A lot of indicators I prefer not to pay attention to like tone and filter size say you're town. So I would like someone familiar with your meta to say "rayn is never like this as scum!" or "rayn is capable of this as scum"
Therefore I would like Koshi's opinion which he still hasn't given.
And yes I am aware I lack content this game which will be remedied by the end of today.
I totally understand not TR'ing rayn because of paranoia. I think it's also why he never spoke about Eden.
+ Show Spoiler [Mderg looking scummy] +On January 12 2016 03:30 nooniansoong wrote:Anyway during lunch i went through some filters. Mderg looking scummy. - pressure on darthfoley that goes no where - sheeped TS onto gigyas - jumped ship on gigyas when wagon looked like it was going to falter. He gave no reason except that he thought about it more. - left a scumlynch a the last second for me. Again without any reasoning, except my lack of content. Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 07:53 mderg wrote:
Well, kush is producing less content than the last game I've played with him. And even in that game he was not producing enough content for me. I can definitely see where you're coming from. But boxerfred had even less content then me so I don't buy this reason to switch off boxerfred.
This is the first time Noon mentions mderg. If Noon is mafia, he knows he can't rely on just lynching a couple of the non"confirmed" towns. He has to bring one down or at least get others to think about him. Widen that mlynch pool. Plus, it looks more ballsy and that's he's thinking critically.
+ Show Spoiler [forgotten tr of darthfoley] +On January 12 2016 07:11 nooniansoong wrote:
i townread darthfoley for somethign but i forget what
Raynpelikoneet dies.
+ Show Spoiler [really weird post] +On January 12 2016 10:44 nooniansoong wrote:
what the fuck is going on lol
I really disliked this post. "what the fuck is going on"??? I thought it was a surprise mafia killed rayn (thought Koshi/eden for sure) but I don't think it's terribly surprising that there was a cop check. All relative I guess, but I don't think there was that much chaos to warrant a townie saying this. If mafia then sure it fits, I'd be surprised too.
+ Show Spoiler [postcame cred hail mary] +On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though
Conclusion time. For anyone who is actually bothering to read this, I think I'd lynch darth, noon, scott. Obviously reevaluating along the way. If Scott continues to be blatantly useless then he's a fine lynch too. But I think you guys should grant Rayn's dying wish and kill Noon (and me).
Next up mderg probably unless I feel really trolly and do GGtemplar. Or I'll say who cares and become a spectator. I haven't decided.
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On January 13 2016 03:35 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 01:06 Tubesock wrote:On January 13 2016 01:01 Koshi wrote:
You do realize Sloosh is the named VT right? uuuuhhhh yeah. But I also totally think you'd think he's lying or something and go back to your original slOosh is scum idea. Or maybe mafia might try some weird desparate counter claim that tries to fuck up town. I doubt anyone will do the work to really think about if slOosh is town. So at least they have something to look back on. Plus, what else am I going to do today? the thread is basically already dead. Would be nice if there was something to talk about. Probably a vote analysis from your perspective would be nice - Eden did some coloring in one of his posts (ctrl+f for "spoiler"). Maybe look at context of darthfoley's switches.
I think I can do some of this.
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On January 13 2016 03:54 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?
like just read that.. scum can't fake a thought process like that.
The problem I have with that is I think he's just not reading the thread and reaching for something.
It was pretty clear to me what Koshi meant and what he was doing jived.
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On January 13 2016 04:01 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 04:00 Tubesock wrote:On January 13 2016 03:54 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?
like just read that.. scum can't fake a thought process like that. The problem I have with that is I think he's just not reading the thread and reaching for something. It was pretty clear to me what Koshi meant and what he was doing jived. how is he not reading the thread.. he talks about it in depth
It's easy to fake thinking about something in depth. In my first mafia game I went fucking crazy on a guy because of what smiley face emote he used after I made this huge elaborate tinfoil case on him for being godfather (which I was). I can link it for you. I am quite proud of it. And I was hard towned for it too.
There are a few more examples of where darth is not reading the thread in this very game. And they've been pointed out.
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On January 13 2016 04:05 nooniansoong wrote:
tubesock why are you trying so hard with your megaposts at the same time as saying "please lynch me".
whats your motivation here?
That's up to town to figure out. Either way, it won't make sense and it will only be received as mindfucking WIFOM.
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On January 13 2016 04:08 slOosh wrote:I'd be more comfortable lynching something like this than Tubesock Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 01:57 scott31337 wrote:So the way I see it is - if we don't lynch the red-check (which all the vet's in my mind are telling me you would) - he will always be doubtful - Look at Holyflare in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=Holyflare - Unless Tubesock just completely dumps some major town rainbows, he's more of a liability that can bite us later. If our conf's have a better plan - I'm willing to listen. I'm still three pages behind. Meeting time - bbl.
That post is so captain obvious wasted. Like, spending the time to write that was completely wasted when he should have read the 3 pages instead and shut up until he can say something pro-town.
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On January 13 2016 04:13 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 04:07 slOosh wrote:On January 13 2016 03:54 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?
like just read that.. scum can't fake a thought process like that. I dunno that post is weird because the timeline is actually Koshi & others thought slOosh was weird --> slOosh gets annoyed and gets more active --> Koshi backs off after seeing this Whereas darthfoley's interpretation is something like Koshi & others thought slOosh was weird (but still active) --> Koshi should be backing off but isn't the way i see it is darth think sloosh was active enough already when koshi started in on him and so koshi's pressure looked fake. then he didn't like the "pivot" koshi did to an inactive poster. It has nothing to do with the timeline you are presenting. I woudl be super super impressed with darthfoley was mafia, just because I never see mafia coming up with weird cases like. Tubesock as for your mafia abilities, I suspect you were towned for a megapost/tinfoil which is not what I'm basing my townread on here.
Are you not townreading darth for indepth thinking about that event? My point is that can be faked. It wasn't my megapost/tinfoil that got me townread taht game, it was the later smaller post about his use of smiley emote in response to it that towned me. Much like how darth's post appears small but in depth.
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What I didn't say in my Noon is hmmm post is that it wouldn't really take much from Noon (or Scott really) to change the order of my preferred lynch. Much like others have already said.
So, noon, don't take my last couple posts as scumming you. I just think that particular reasoning is wrong.
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