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Tubesock
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On January 07 2016 20:06 Eden1892 wrote: Under the vig role, it says that if your target dies before you get a chance to shoot, you keep the bullet. Under what circumstances might this clause apply? Vig kp is after Mafia so if they shoot the same player you do? | ||
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Tubesock
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Also hi | ||
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GGTemp, I also wonder what you meant when you said in that first paragraph. Irrelevant or not. | ||
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Easy town reads Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning. Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him. Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone. the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable. I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread. | ||
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Tubesock
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On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote: I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do ##Vote tubesock His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy) tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] + On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote: This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] + says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again. ---- Line of scumminess --- kmatt: baby come back VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation ---- Line of towniness --- noon boxer koshi ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield. sloosh ---- Line of more-towniness --- darth eden rayn There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now. My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction. The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes? GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!" Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing. GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them. GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters. | ||
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Tubesock
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Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum. To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical. mderg because of TONE HA! Yes, my 3 lynch possiblities are GiygaS then Boxerfred/Kmatt (essentially plynches). | ||
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Tubesock
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Vayne, I liked his certainty. Many already pointed it out. What I didn't like was that I thought he was exaggerating about Sloosh and how Sloosh was nitpicking and something else. I didn't see it at all. He does have a reputation to be completely useless D1 but then solve the game or be a powerhouse on D3 though. So there's that. Ggtemplar, I'm going to keep marinating on. | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:48 Koshi wrote: Can you tell me why you townread Sloosh earlier? I liked the post he did where you said he overexplained. I think the threshold for mafia overexplaining is a bit higher and what he did was pointing out that he is trying to place himself in other peoples perspective to see their motivation and agenda. I also liked his reactions. And I also don't think that he was trying to reach for reasons to scum someone. Felt like to me he's unsure because it was less than 12 hours into the game. | ||
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On January 10 2016 16:28 Eden1892 wrote: As someone who is currently voting you and is quite interested in lynching you today, how would you explain the above to me to be coming from a townie instead? Being conscious of the problems with your play thus far makes me more inclined to kill you, rather than less (as I figure was the intended effect) -- I'm not really impressed with the "X is scummy because he called me scummy for ABC reasons, when you should be scumreading me for XYZ reasons" argument, I'd rather just kill you for XYZ (and maybe ABC) and sort out X later. You're missing my point. Sloosh got it in his post. If a towny reads someones list post and they are basically the same, but he thinks that person is mafia anyway, he's going to use different reasons to scum them. GiygaS didn't mention your concerns, Rayne or Koshi's statements and what they may have meant. No GiygaS cites my weird townread post. He cites Darthfoley's case which you can infer is the most important reasoning for him which is a two point case. 1- my easy tr of 2 contested players and 2- vague tone and a weird phrase read. The guy has the exact same reads as I do. Yet, that is exactly what he cites to scum me. Not the zillion other things you could probably come up with. | ||
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On January 10 2016 16:42 Eden1892 wrote: I understand the point you're making. I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself. Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote? Then if you are unwilling to think about it more then you shouldn't. Why do you think he's town? Tell me exactly how a town would ever use weird town reads to scum someone when they have the same reads and there are plenty of other reasons to scum that person? How is that possible? You think I'm going to bus my teammate so I can live instead of him? | ||
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Town reads Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town? | ||
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On January 10 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote: I didn't say I was unwilling to think about it. I don't get why you're being antagonistic with someone whose mind is open to not killing you, but I'd like you to stop. I thought he was town because I thought his entrance was solid. Just going to quote myself on it: That said, I'd certainly acknowledge that GiygaS had a significant drop-off in thread interaction since then, which weakens the read to some extent. In tandem with your argument (which I think is reasonable), it's enough to give me pause. I'm going to decline answering the rest of your questions for now, because I can think of a reason why town!GiygaS would do that, but I'm not going to fill that answer in for him. He'll have to explain himself without me giving him a freeroll. GiygaS: What do you mean when you say that Tubesock's townreads were weird? Why do you think they're weird when your views seem to be very similarly aligned to his? Don't mean to be antagonistic. Apologies. From my perspective it didn't appear you were at all willing to think about what I was writing. And it didn't help that I think your reasons were not very solid to town him. Anyway, rereading his filter I don't see town in it. His reads to me seem pretty shaky and go with thread sentiment. | ||
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Tubesock
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On January 10 2016 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically this post comes down to: - "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it." - Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it. You don't get it. There are lots of worlds where someone scumreads a player for having the same reads as them. Copying, buddying whatever. GiygaS scums me for sharing his worldview. Tell me Rayne, can you think of a possibility where you were town, read someones tr post and then scummed them because they are weird yet you agree with them? You are not scumming the person for copying or buddying or being a lurker or anything, that it is because of his reads? He's not saying it's weird our reads are the same. He's saying my reads are weird, thus scummy. He cited weird reads because it was already pointed out and accepted that I have weird reads by the major players. So, his point would be accepted and I'd be easily lynched. | ||
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Tubesock
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On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. | ||
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On January 10 2016 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: He said your reads were weird because you called them easy townreads. Who cares if they are easy or not? Do you give a shit if someone comes up with the same read as you in a very difficult way? They're easy because they were my first and early. | ||
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Tubesock
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I like that line of thinking. But I also think Koshi's play was within his mafia range. I didn't ask him because I think I can just watch Koshi awhile and see since I can count on him being active. | ||
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