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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:28 GMT
#517
Yea I definitely don't think we should be lynching either GiygaS or Tubesock today. There's enough good things from each player but nothing so bad that you could lynch them with that much confidence (there might be and if you see something please share with the rest of class). It could easily be town vs town.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:32 GMT
#520
Excellent.

Koshi, you mentioned at the start of the game that you would prefer to lynch a low amount poster / low filter poster. Would you like to join me in lynching VA?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:33 GMT
#522
On January 11 2016 05:30 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 05:28 slOosh wrote:
Yea I definitely don't think we should be lynching either GiygaS or Tubesock today. There's enough good things from each player but nothing so bad that you could lynch them with that much confidence (there might be and if you see something please share with the rest of class). It could easily be town vs town.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. HE CALLED HIMSELF SCUMMY HOW DO YOU NOT LYNCH THAT

First, could you please quote the post you are referring to. I just want to make sure we are looking at the same thing.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:39 GMT
#524
But in a more general sense, yes, absolutely you can be aware that you make posts that can be construed as scummy.

I mean think about it. If townies could only produce things that could be interpreted as towny, how would mafia ever win? I would not fault someone for having the meta cognition to admit that something they do can be construed as scummy.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:42 GMT
#525
At this point I'm also quite interested in seeing how rayn follows up on the Tubesock thing.

It felt somewhat dismissive and exaggerated.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:46 GMT
#531
On January 10 2016 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: GiygaS

On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:
I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do

##Vote tubesock

His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy)

tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] +
On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.

Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong

GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.

the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.

I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.


This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum


mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] +
says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.

---- Line of scumminess ---

kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation

---- Line of towniness ---

noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh

---- Line of more-towniness ---

darth
eden
rayn


There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now.


My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction.

The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes?

GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!"

Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing.

GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them.

GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters.

Basically this post comes down to:
- "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it."
- Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it.

Wrapping up the case but not really addressing the issue of the "easy" town read issue.
On January 10 2016 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:
On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said.

Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock?
Do you agree with the quote above?


Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well.

The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it.

If the quote above is wrong why did you write it?
I have a really really really really hard time seeing why someone.. anyone.. would EVER call himself, any of his posts, scummy. It just doesn't make any fucking sense at all because if you are town IT IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CAN MAKE SCUMMY POSTS. Last time someone did this we lynched him and he flipped mafia.

Feels kinda exaggerated here.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:50 GMT
#532
On January 11 2016 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 05:14 slOosh wrote:
On January 10 2016 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
slOosh at which point you start not scumreading Koshi anymore?
You said you didn't change your vote immediately after you changed your opinion on him here:
On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:
On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?

Please explain.

Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing.

Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all.

Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg.

I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind

##Unvote Koshi

What does this mean? Where does the read change, around which posts from Koshi?

When he just started posting things of content? You want something specific?

Yes, i do want something specific.

Starting second page of his filter, January 09 2016 10:11 CST, post #268 and onward. I think it's more substantive than his posts prior.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:54 GMT
#534
+ Show Spoiler [I Still Can't Believe it'…] +

On June 06 2015 10:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
i think mig is still a good lynch tbh, all this confirmed is that the guy is town and giving a genuine opinion on mig.

On June 07 2015 05:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
Chezinu is a good lynch tbh if im going to actually try this game again. I don't think its feasible to make it happen today though perhaps next cycle

On June 07 2015 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
i dont think yamato is mafia but dont mind if he dies. hes basically just IamRobik except he doesnt ever get warned for behavior somehow even though every post he makes is a personal insult



+ Show Spoiler [VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunni…] +

On February 15 2015 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
Kelsier is tricky, I think he just likes making really bad posts that come across as forced scum posts. He did this last game too and he was town. He seems to do the same thing to me and reads my posts as scum every game

On February 15 2015 09:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
rayn when you read this tell me how similar you find BH to his persona as Old Partner in golden sun. when I read his posts I feel like he is talking to other people and having a laugh. Reminds me of that game with how forced he is pushing this agenda with these long awful posts

On February 16 2015 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk i actually think its a shitty read reading over his filter again but generally he has only asked for other people's scumreads and their opinions and stuff, lots of questions but nothing from him. He townreads various random people but I dont feel like he is exactly trying to solve the game here. African Horn Mafia he looked much different in from what I observed



+ Show Spoiler [Unoriginal Name Mafia] +

On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work

He's struggling to create a filter

most likely mafia

On January 10 2016 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Maybe its meta, I honestly dont know many of these players. Guess I should look up Eden because his filter looks like a good scumplayer to me I don't know if that is true or not

On January 10 2016 04:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 04:18 slOosh wrote:
Vayne, apart from me, could I have your strongest scum read?


If i really had to pick, mderg, but it is a very weak/generic read at this point


Yes I do still think that he is putting even less effort into this game compared to the two mentioned.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:57 GMT
#537
268 not 286
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:58 GMT
#539
On January 11 2016 05:55 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 05:32 slOosh wrote:
Excellent.

Koshi, you mentioned at the start of the game that you would prefer to lynch a low amount poster / low filter poster. Would you like to join me in lynching VA?

I could. But I am still sitting pretty on boxerfred.

Ok. I'm ok with that too if we end up going that way.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 20:59 GMT
#540
On January 11 2016 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 05:57 slOosh wrote:
268 not 286

yeah you now said you started townreading Koshi at point A. But at point B (which is after A) you tell Edenwhy you think Koshi is mafia. So one of your statements must be a lie.

Starting second page of his filter, January 09 2016 10:11 CST, post #268 and onward. I think it's more substantive than his posts prior.
At point B I told Eden why I thought Koshi was mafia concerning posts prior to point A.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:01 GMT
#542
Did you not like Eden's approach to Tubesock / GiygaS? Or is the paranoia about something else?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:03 GMT
#546
On January 11 2016 06:02 GiygaS wrote:
The point that tubesock is self-aware is an understatement. The only real analysis he's done all game has been on himself and me purely based on my read of him.

I think this is a fair assessment.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:05 GMT
#549
Koshi, if Kmatt was actually mafia, would the team comps make more sense? I'm wondering if the game is somewhat difficult b/c he is in fact mafia and so we have less people to look at. (Not saying we should lynch him, just thinking out loud at why D1 feels this way)
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:07 GMT
#552
Alright rayn, if you feel this strongly about it, I'll relent for D1.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:14 GMT
#561
On January 11 2016 06:08 nooniansoong wrote:
I don't want to lynch tubesock.
I can't understand most of his posts. His scum game is still fresh in my mind and his posts were a lot easier to follow.
That's because his content this game is much closer to stream of thought.


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:
I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though.

Having a number 4 lynch on d1 is really townie. It shows a lot of thought is going into who might be scum.

On January 11 2016 00:33 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 23:54 Koshi wrote:
I read everything once fast. Going to do some sports and come back.

Tubesock,
Explain to me how you are playing different than the last game in which you were scum?

If I recall, you were also afk for the longest time, and then you came out the gates swinging with a case on Rels. Bit the same like here with Giygas.

What is different?


Good question. And I'm taking it as a compliment since I think you towned me there.

These two games are pretty different situations for me though. Last game I was not ever really scum read until the end. At least not scum read enough to feel threatened. I'm also pretty sure I struck first on Rels. The case I made on him I really believed.

When I'm mafia I triple check every post and make sure there is a corresponding quote I can link for everything I say. I think you could argue that last game I was overexplainy (Ritoky made a post about someone being overexplainers anonymous so I started to focus on that too). I'd be shocked if you can find a post that contradicts itself in that game though. Or a read swap on someone without reasons showing transition. Early posts I made sure I didn't have too many tr's (how Rels caught and killed me in the game prior to that) without any scum reads and that I shouldn't go very long without throwing out a read.

I don't really know how or why you should differentiate my game here and the last one. My AFKness should be NAI. I do not have internet access while I work. And due to my schedule it explains why I only get to play a game every couple of months. Much of the time there is a very real mod kill threat. Which is part of why I conceded last game. I was going to be mod killed 3 days after I conceded and I needed 5 or something to win.

I guess a lot of this questioning I'm getting I don't understand.

My entire point is that GiygaS literally did something that town would NEVER do. It's more than just scumreading me. that's not what my point is. It's how and why he did. If he were town, he'd still scum me, but there is no fucking world that exists where town scums me with his reasonings and his world view. Tell me how that's possible?

Well there's somewhat consistency going on here.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:17 GMT
#562
LIke, town town makes sense, scum scum is kinda gutsy but makes sense, and town/scum or scum/town doesn't really make sense.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:17 GMT
#564
I'm leaning town town at this point if it wasn't clear.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:25 GMT
#569
On January 11 2016 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And yes slOosh, it is a fact that it is impossible for a townie to say scummy things.
If you are not purposefully throwing the game then every single thing you say has a townie agenda that you can explain. It must have, there is no other option. Telling people why they should reasonably scumread you is not an explanation -- because you already claim you are doing something that is not townie. It's really simple. Townies do townie things. Townies never do scummy things. Townies don't say the things they do are a reason to scumread them, they EXPLAIN why the things they do are townie.

I disagree but I guess we can discuss this post game in full.

I agree with the first point that everything you do has a townie agenda that you can explain.
However, intent =/= reception.

A town player can do things with town intent yet have bad reception by the group and be considered scum.
They can provide town intent and reasons for what they did, but it doesn't mean that the group will believe them.

Therefore, you can say that a townie can do things with town intent, and understand that you don't have to be scum to misunderstand their intentions.


As it relates to this game, I think what Tubesock said was that he could see how his actions could be construed as scummy. That isn't admitting what he did was scummy. That is saying that what he did could be construed by town as scummy.

Am I making sense?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 21:28 GMT
#571
E.g. suppose any game where mafia are playing lurk style, that is, they aren't actively muddling things up.

And let's suppose a town mislynch happens D1. How is this possible if townies only do townie things?

This is possible because townies may have townie-intent, but it doesn't equate to everyone else understanding and believing that intent.
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