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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 22:46 GMT
#638
Unless i've missed it, Tubesock hasn't provided any reads on anyone outside of GiygaS, excluding the initial early "reads" who deemed to be scummy. He's spent the last day repeating the same argument for only one person.

Like what?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 22:47 GMT
#640
Okay nevermind I spoke too soon
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 23:00 GMT
#669
damn it man, i'm telling you Tubesock was the way to go.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 23:01 GMT
#673
oh shit nevermind
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 23:05 GMT
#687
So the night phase is basically the same in terms of posting and whatever?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 23:17 GMT
#708
I second that motion. I want to hear what he has to say now that we got a scum flip day 1 lynch
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 10 2016 23:20 GMT
#714
On January 11 2016 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 08:17 darthfoley wrote:
I second that motion. I want to hear what he has to say now that we got a scum flip day 1 lynch

who? me?


No I was talking about Tubesock. We all know what you've had to say :p
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 00:24 GMT
#739
I think it's clear that GGTemplar is confirmed town. He was on boxerfred from the beginning, and there's literally 0 reason to bus a teammate from the get go and draw attention to him
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 00:55 GMT
#744
Wait yea lol no how could you get town cred for saying you'll vote for boxerfred and then forget to actually do it?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 02:02 GMT
#765
WIFOM?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 02:47 GMT
#776
On January 11 2016 11:03 GiygaS wrote:
Wine In Front Of Me


Offtopic but this is the best reenactment of mafia meta of all time lololol
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 03:32 GMT
#778
Well yea, I was just saying that if I had to explain mafia to a person who had never played the game before, I would link that video
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 04:00 GMT
#780
That works too
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 04:55 GMT
#786
Why have some people decided mderg is confirmed town?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 18:40 GMT
#835
Been moving back to college today, will catch up with the past few pages soon
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 19:41 GMT
#851
On January 12 2016 04:35 Koshi wrote:
Tube. You ever saw a mafia with reads that were so wild & inconsistent? And then not be able to get the lynch off mafia boxerfred while you had 4 votes on you and boxer had 3 votes? Why would he spare you and go to Kush when he knew I would never lynch Kush and would always lynch boxer?


Yea idk why Rayne wouldn't continue the Tubesock wagon when he was up by a vote with less than 2(?) hours to go before the vote. If Rayne were mafia, why would he switch to Noonian when he had a solid wagon on you Tubesock?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 21:38 GMT
#873
On January 12 2016 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will write my quick thoughts incase I am vigged, don't want to invest too much time obviously when its super possible ill just die.

The most likely mafia I can deduct from voting analysis and a follow up of his filter is darthfoley

You will see that Tubesock was most likely the mafia mislynch of choice, kinda sure he is town. When the 2nd vote drops onto boxerfred, tubesock is sitting at 3 votes. starting to get close. then darthfoley goes ahead and votes for tubesock to make it a comfortable 4-2. But what you can't account for as mafia is a last second large swing like that resulting in boxer's lynch. It is a very suspicious and well timed vote on his part.

Follow that up with gems like this from his filter

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 05:35 darthfoley wrote:
1) I think it's scummy to generate discussion and then pop out because it seems helpful, all while staying under the radar without much concrete reasoning.

2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: Sloosh as scum read. Boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet.


See part 2, boxerfred literally has almost no filter besides 1 post. He hasn't looked through any of the less active posters but says boxerfred is a shining example of being holistic? Soft defense that you wouldn't technically even realize you are doing as a mafia partner.

Now look through his voting pattern, he flip flops on me and tubesock at the slightest change of wind to try to appear as if he is mulling his options but really he doesnt care that either of us is lynched, they are both mislynches for him. Thread support was the only thing that ever swayed his opinion.

Finally, this is more of tells for me instead of mafia play but his first page is a lot of feigning ignorance with mechanics of the game to generate filter and even tells us about stuff he is doing irl which I largely associate with mafia attempting to lighten mood/make them appear more likable.

cya at deadline Maybe.


It's true that I have flip flopped between quite a few names in the thread. I voted for Koshi near the beginning and quickly realized he was almost as town as rayne. It's true that I went back and forth between you and Tubesock for basically the rest of the day phase; I've explained why. My suspicion of you was mainly driven by my first point in the post you quoted, before I had looked at your filter of D1 for the past two games. I trust Rayne to be town, plus he's played games with you before so I was ultimately willing to see your posts in N1/D2.

Regarding Tubesock, it's not like my suspicion of Tubesock emerged out of thin air with a couple hours left in the day phase. I hadn't liked his first substantive post and ultimately I felt like Tubesock didn't have much of a case against Giygas past the one we debunked.

On January 11 2016 07:29 darthfoley wrote:
I think he implied questioning your reads and their ease when he said that I said all there needs to be said (because I questioned your easy reads)


I thought Tubesock was starting to sway discussion the way he wanted, and I feel like active mafia posters are more dangerous than someone who is lurking D1 because everyone tends to be suspicious of them anyways (e.g. my suspicion of you).

If Tubesock was the mafia mislynch of choice, why would I stay on him after it was clear that it wouldn't go through? It would've made more sense to switch to Noonian, or GiygaS who already had 2.

Regarding my your tells: I opened with one sentence about watching The Revenant and later one question about the role of the Named VT. You can say i'm feigning ignorance but I just haven't ever played a game with a Named VT before. Other than that, the only non substantive questions I've asked have been about in game abbreviations. Sorry I didn't know what WIFOM means?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 22:22 GMT
#886
On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie.


I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold.


+ Show Spoiler [For Eden] +
Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.

Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.



Vote Count (16.5 hours)

Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock


(9.5 hours)
Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet


(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(1 hour)
Official Vote Count

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(Final)
Final Vote Count

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred



Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning

I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority


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On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.

I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.

##Unvote


darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock.

But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense?


What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full.

My satisfaction with his defense lessened after this. I backed off of VA because I trusted Rayne's read on him and wanted to see his substantive reads post EoD1. I don't agree with his conclusion but I understand why Rayne adamantly wanted him a part of N1/D2 discussion.

Again, I could've easily switched my vote to Noonian or GiygaS to counter the boxerfred bandwagon if I were desperate EoD1 mafia, especially Noonian because their filters were similar in substance.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 22:24 GMT
#887
There was a lot of talk about switching votes at the end for a number of people. Why wouldn't I do it to blend in and use the defense that mderg used: "idk my vote wouldn't have mattered either way!"
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2016 23:58 GMT
#946
On January 12 2016 07:48 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 07:22 darthfoley wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie.


I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold.


+ Show Spoiler [For Eden] +
Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.

Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.



Vote Count (16.5 hours)

Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock


(9.5 hours)
Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet


(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(1 hour)
Official Vote Count

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(Final)
Final Vote Count

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred



On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning

I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.


On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority


On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.

I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.

##Unvote


darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock.

But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense?


What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full.


So you reread Tubesock's posts, after your unvote, and found that Tubesock had only given one read all day?

That's odd. How much reading did you really do? Because before you even unvoted, Tubesock had plenty to say about other people in the game:

Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:
On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening.

Kush is a terrible lynch.
Giygas is just not mafia.

Tubesock is fucking hard to read.


I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though.

Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon.

I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile.


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred


I also question that you went back and reread the initial case Tubesock gave, as if you had, you would have noticed that GiygaS did not quote you in his original post. Tubesock filled in the posts from you to explain his case.

Would you care to resolve these discrepancies?


I said he only posted one read of substance. Regarding the reads you quoted, I explained at the time that it didn't make sense to consider Noon more towny than Rayne at that point in the game. I think being "onboard" for boxerfred or Kmatt is pretty safe at that point in the voting process, especially because at this time it was 4 to 3 for Tubesock vs. Boxerfred. Would've been tied 4/4 if he changed from GiygaS to Boxerfred. Boxerfred hadn't been very active and you would get lots of town cred if you supported a correct lynch day 1. I mean we've already confirmed town everyone who voted for Boxerfred, so losing an inactive mafia isn't the end of the world if it basically makes you an unlynchable for a while.

However, people then jumped off the Tubesock wagon and he didn't need to do this, while still getting towncred for being "okay" with a boxerfred lynch and consistency for sticking with GiygaS.

GiygaS didn't directly quote me, but he basically did "not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't"


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