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Damdred
15669 Posts
Here he's been in the game what will be 72 hours in a little over 12 hours. The only bursts of activity is when he is getting called out for little to no activity. And then once the pressure swings away from him he is back to being gone without giving any real thoughts. I'm not sure why more time would make him easier to read hell. In his last game he got to a 20 page filter by d4? Something insane like that.... | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 04 2016 15:22 Damdred wrote: I mean, your first sentence is simply wrong.I'm not understanding exactly, the last game he replaced into he got to work almost straight away didn't need to be poked or prodded and jumped on things. Here he's been in the game what will be 72 hours in a little over 12 hours. The only bursts of activity is when he is getting called out for little to no activity. And then once the pressure swings away from him he is back to being gone without giving any real thoughts. I'm not sure why more time would make him easier to read hell. In his last game he got to a 20 page filter by d4? Something insane like that.... It would be nice if you bothered to know what you're talking about before you try and contradict me. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
People don't always play to the best of their abilities, even when they are town. I feel that it's possible that NocturneMage is town and not playing to the best of his abilities. For one example of this, look at when he replaced into Dark Tournament Mini Mafia; for over 24 hours after he replaced in, his only posts had zero purpose and scumhunting. Afterwards, he was able to catch up with the thread and become more productive. I feel that the following things could be limiting NocturneMage's play as town: 1. Being in a second game, the reason he didn't sign up for this game in the first place 2. Replacing into a very large game, has to read a ton to catch up / get a handle on things 3. The holiday makes things busier Like, I'd sort of get it, except there are people to lynch who are actually scummy. But I guess I'll try and go through N e s s's filter after I finish with nooniansoong, Palmar, and ObiWanShinobi. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On January 04 2016 15:03 ritoky wrote: i'll lynch palmar, idgaFUCK. the 2 non-confirmed town voting on him are kinda sketch tho. idk i prefer slam cuz i just think he is ezpzmafiasqueezy. dunno how anyone is voting on 1gu, literal 0 people have rebutted how i basically confirmed him and damdred as town, which was pretty baller. 8/10 woulda been 10/10 if shot hit mafia too. I'll clearly sheep on palmar, but I could be swayed to slam. I just feel like Palmar has to be scum. But so far this game I've been mostly wrong :/ | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Moosey was replaced by NM at roughly 18:00 my time ( 6 o'clock). Two hours later nm makes his first entry post (shortly after replacing in) he has not read any of the thread but his initial reaction comparatively is way different just like this game he hadn't read any of the thread and we botched that liynch but he was super jovial. He then gives several posts in quick succession talking about Hts in passing and promises to do certain things. Now he is over seas so he leaves the thread after posts and comes back later in the day and he is still catching up but throws his thoughts into the thread and by the time day breaks he has already wrote a mini case on Hts within 24 hours mind you and votes her. To say that he immediately got to work might not be totally factually true as two hours isn't immediately but as I clearly demonstrated his way about himself is much different. He lacks any real thoughts this game even while he is catching up doesn't try to figure out why x or y is scummy and only posts when provoked that is scummy behavior not just behind as you try tonilllustrate | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
That is neither the correct way to handle yourself and will 100% not get your target lynched | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
NM. Slam and palmar are my targets tommorow.id rather it be slam or nm. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
current play -> low activity + weak truffle -> give him more time at what point is enough time? and why do you expect time to = different play? it is 1 ML from lylo is lylo when enough time is? is 3 days when enough time is? and why if given a decent amount of time and doing things similar to his mafia games do you expect a different outcome? to me the sensible progression is what damdred is doing. guy is doing mafia meta -> apply lynch pressure to force him to do things -> get read from things -> decide if lynch. i don't see what the "give him more time and defend his play" route yields when his play has not been town indicative. i guess my point is i think damdred is approaching NM from a very town perspective and i have no clue about you and why you're hard defending an essentially afk player who could easily be mafia. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On January 04 2016 15:39 ExO_ wrote: I'll clearly sheep on palmar, but I could be swayed to slam. I just feel like Palmar has to be scum. But so far this game I've been mostly wrong :/ dunno, they're probably both mafia tbh, just a matter of lynch order. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Damdred, sorry. Ritoky, depends on what he does. And I, like several other people, had strong townreads on N e s s. I finished looking through his filter again and I really don't see what's scummy about it. While he isn't being especially original, he does seem interested in pushing his reads, and he's extremely willing to stick his head out. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
 I guess I'll sheep Artanis. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
i didn't find player interactions with him to be particularly toxic. not enough to drive someone into quitting the game and never coming back. which indicates something more going on.....PERHAPS QT TOXICITY AND FRUSTRATION FOR BUSSING!!!!??!?!?!? HMMMMM WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM going to sleep tho cuz u know how it goes, you're supposed to rest and shit when you're injured. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Onegu falls into a category of players that I almost never read. These players tend to not actually try to win the game at all. This means that most of my thoughts on Onegu are based on his red check claim on TT. I do not think Onegu is mafia. As I discussed earlier in this post here: On January 04 2016 07:47 Palmar wrote: I promised to talk about the onegu/damdred thing. There is no way they're both mafia. The reason for this is that they both look bad when tictock flips. It's too much invested into getting one random guy lynched. Even if mafia knew he was a role. IF mafia knows he's a role (rolecop) only damdred can be mafia (and not onegu) because there is no way onegu claims a red on him as mafia, knowing he'll just claim blue and will never be cc'd. We also know (from the nightkills on n2) that mafia had not at day 2 hit any townies with the rolecop (JK/Cop is autokill and the masons are already outed). So, either the mafia rolecop missed, or it hit tt, in which case only damdred can be mafia. On the other hand, if mafia had no idea what tt's role was, onegu can be mafia, and if he is, damdred is almost certainly not, because people (like myself) were actively calling for the gunsmith not to CC tictock. The only problem with this theory is why would onegu go 1 for 1 on someone whose role he doesn't know and who is so scummy that people were literally mad that he didn't get lynched on day 1. It's just not worth it. So, technically it's more likely damdred is mafia, but I really, really think they're both town. it is impossible that IF Onegu is mafia that mafia knew TT's role. Which begs the question, why would scumOnegu go 1 for 1 against a scummy player who half of town wanted to lynch anyway. I know it's entirely possible he just did it because fuck it and wifom, but the problem is, while it's easy to construct such scenarios as a town, it's very difficult to execute something so risky as mafia. In general when you play mafia you overestimate suspicions against you and you're unusually afraid of saying/doing shit that might be perceived as scummy. The problem, of course, is that Onegu would be a pretty terrible baggage to take into lylo, but I just don't think we have enough mislynches left to actually kill him before that point. Like there exists a world where Onegu is scum, but I don't think we have enough time to explore that world. So with that I'm simply going to assume he's town until further notice. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I generally don't read kush that closely, but I've had some opportunities to this game, mostly because he has talked a lot about me. There's two reasons to think Kush is mafia and one reason to maybe think he's not. I have already explained both the reasons to think he's mafia. Here's the first (and more important) one. On December 28 2015 21:56 Palmar wrote: but ok. time is up kush. I genuinely wonder if Kush understood the question he asked. Like, koshi clearly shows that he understands what happened, but it boils down to this: Kush questioning Exo's read on me only makes sense if Kush actually understand why Exo's accusations are dumb. If he doesn't know why Exo is being a moron, then Kush has no business asking the question he just asked. The context is this: On December 28 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote: I had no idea anyone else called you town. If you want a full disclosure on how I obtained the read on you it was like this: I respect rayn as a player so I clicked his filter and went right to his last page. on the top of page 8 of rayn's filter there is a conversation that involves all the required knowledge for me to draw the conclusions I have drawn (both about coag/rsoultin being the masons, and the evidence I used to draw the conclusion you might be town). Exo was arguing I must be mafia because he didn't believe I had just come into the thread and somehow made a case to call one of his actions townie. I pointed him towards a conversation that I had randomly opened in rayn's filter that contained the evidence I used to make that read. Kush, for some reason, decided to interject himself into that and ask Exo why I wouldn't be null instead of scumread. Koshi also interjected himself here: On December 28 2015 21:51 Koshi wrote: But I agree that it went like you said it went. Very unlikely you read entire thread and would be able to actually come up with that explanation on the spot. The difference between kush and koshi is that koshi clearly understood why Exo was being a dumbass. So I sort of pressured kush to provide a similar answer, which he never really did, although he did provide one here (open the quotes): On December 29 2015 00:25 nooniansoong wrote: Your proof had nothing to do with why I questioned that read. I'm not sure Exo "doubled down" after your proof. Perhaps he didn't yet see or understand your proof when he doubled down. I think it would be interesting to see if he still thinks you're scum or admits to making a mistake. The second thing is simply this: On January 04 2016 08:09 Palmar wrote: Like I know this does not matter to you guys. But there is 100% no way that kush, for two days in a row or something, is right about my alignment when rayn/artanis/hf/damdred/koshi/trfel and the list goes on are wrong. Literally the only other person I remember actually calling me town is rsoultin. (I think she did). It's really annoying, but it's also glaringly obvious. Kush either knows I'm town (cop) or he's scum. However, I'm also waffling on that. I really, really want to believe Kush can be town here, mostly because I vastly prefer this version of kush to all others I've encountered. He seems to be actually sort of trying this game. I am not going to advocate a kush lynch today. He should still be considered a prime suspect, and there's 5 mafia out there and I don't have 5 names that I think are more likely to flip mafia than him. I just think we have better targets today than him. It does help that kush actually made himself available to the thread while we were talking about him yesterday. It's just this sort of thing that makes me want to believe he might somehow be not scum. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I have far less to say about sicklucker. I haven't read most of his filter and I'm not going to go through 14 pages of his generally awful contributions to form a real opinion. He has been reasonable towards me (a recurring theme you'll notice when you read my opinions on people is that I'm a bit like Donald Trump, I want to be treated fairly and I get mad if I'm not). He's one of the guys who has been echoing my sentiment that I shouldn't be shot, but rather lynched. I guess I'm getting what I wished for. My time is better spent elsewhere though, I'm not going to make a judgement on his alignment unless I find time to read through his filter, it's going to be for other people to figure it out if I get lynched today. | ||
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